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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 14 2017 18:17 GMT
#581
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
June 14 2017 18:20 GMT
#582
On June 15 2017 03:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 02:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 14 2017 23:48 annul wrote:
On June 14 2017 23:42 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 23:41 Holyflare wrote:
I like vivax's inconsistency pick up but his annul read is stating the obvious and I seriously get the feeling that a mafia vivax could have just got lucky picking up on the inconsistency.

But that's maximum fear wifom for no reason because I still like it.

True. If mafia gives us townreads like that I am ok with not lynching them for a cycle.


On June 14 2017 23:43 Koshi wrote:
Town
TW town for calling fefe hilariously suspicious.
Fefe town for being ok with that and believing it.
Disformation town for not jumping on my wagon while thinking my opening was potential mafia. Also serious bait was hilarious, big laughs were had.
Beentheredonethat is more likely overeager “wrong” town than active pushing a wrong agenda mafia. And his aggressiveness continues over multiple pages, he is now quite confirmed town.
Damdred is town because his list post is very close to what I could think. Just like his read on me it comes from town and not mafia.
Darthfoley town because pushed the game forward with his Xatalos/Ruxxar posts. And overall is playing really well. Overall playing style he can do it as mafia but I don’t think he is doing it here as mafia.

Town with minus points.
Skynx started out a bit out of place. But picked it up very well. Sassy answer on btdt and loads of action.
Vivax made a pretty good read on Annul. But I don’t like his playstyle atm

Null
Holyflare his vote on me is incorrect. I don’t like how his gameplan feels set up.


so you are okay with keeping him around if he is mafia if he "gives town reads like that" -- implying you agree with his town read on me to such a strong extent that even if he is mafia under HF's WIFOM scenario you feel like he is beneficial to keep around................... and then like 2 minutes later you post a reads post and i am not even listed at all?


I guess I see what you mean here but why is it scummy rather than not worth adding? If you got spewed town there's no way to really confirm it until vivax dies

Where u go annul


i mean i think that argument is already as good an explanation as i can make it tbh

koshi went hard on agreeing with the logic and calling it a great read, and even went so far as to say "you might be mafia but if you are mafia and put up great town reads like that, i wont vote you" (which is probably suspect in and of itself) -- but THEN he posts his reads and i am nowhere in the list at all. i dont think an honest town could go as hard into it as he did without also believing the substance of the argument... but if this were true i would be in his reads post too.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22301 Posts
June 14 2017 18:21 GMT
#583
The wagon on Koshi isn't huge yet, for all we know:

Palmar, Rels, Damdred, Tumblewood, VayneAuthority, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity, Grackaroni, Eversince

There can be plenty of mafia and whatnot in the nonvoters.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 14 2017 18:22 GMT
#584
Acceptable
ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
June 14 2017 18:23 GMT
#585
On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?



He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p.
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
June 14 2017 18:24 GMT
#586
p.s. caught up finally. I should be around for a while now
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
June 14 2017 18:25 GMT
#587
hi eversince, are you sicklucker's twin brother?
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
June 14 2017 18:25 GMT
#588
The strangest thing in thread is the amount of people agreeing with HF's conclusion that Koshi is 3rd party not red based on this(?) opening:

On June 14 2017 08:01 Koshi wrote:
I am not mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22301 Posts
June 14 2017 18:26 GMT
#589
On June 15 2017 03:23 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?



He made 1 sentence in 1 post defending Koshi. The issue is he said he didn't think HF/Disform's arguements made Koshi mafia. HF/Disform never claimed that but cased him as 3p.


Already pointed out as being a misrep by HF. Disagreeing on a read doesn't mean I'm defending said person, it just means I'm not going to vote that person for said reasons.

And the mafia/3p thingy is just a bad argument from the get go. Rayn is mafia cause he doesn't put a /3p when he says that the reasons don't make Koshi mafia/3p? Cmon
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
June 14 2017 18:27 GMT
#590
On June 15 2017 03:24 Eversince wrote:
p.s. caught up finally. I should be around for a while now


thoughts on this:

On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince.

Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
June 14 2017 18:27 GMT
#591
He wasn't suppose to tell anyone about my sex change!
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 14 2017 18:27 GMT
#592
On June 15 2017 03:25 Grackaroni wrote:
The strangest thing in thread is the amount of people agreeing with HF's conclusion that Koshi is 3rd party not red based on this(?) opening:

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 08:01 Koshi wrote:
I am not mafia.

Who quoted this post as evidence? Pretty standard opener
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 14 2017 18:27 GMT
#593
On June 15 2017 03:15 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:01 Xatalos wrote:
DF: I wasn't the only one who missed Skynx's main point initially. After he explained further, I actually agreed that it looked worse for ruxxar than disfo. So what's the issue?

And I wouldn't really call my filter "filler".


Well I would, which is why I did. My point is that mafia are often looking to misconstrue people's posts and throwing around suspicion.

@ Vivax. It's not that he didn't have reads, it's that he seemed to be ignoring the major event in the thread at the time. It's fine to be not super committed to early D1 reads, but I felt like the "I have no idea what to make of this" was a cop out to people's legit questions about it.


Well, it's just an inaccurate description... Maybe I have some not-so-important posts, but certainly not only those..

Besides, I just don't see what's bad about the Skynx events. Skynx's points on disfo caught my attention more than his underlying point to bring attention to ruxxar, that's all. He was later forced to elaborate and only then did it become clear that ruxxar was where his main focus was (I guess it was possible to notice by reading his original post more carefully, but I digress).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22301 Posts
June 14 2017 18:27 GMT
#594
On June 15 2017 03:25 Grackaroni wrote:
The strangest thing in thread is the amount of people agreeing with HF's conclusion that Koshi is 3rd party not red based on this(?) opening:

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 08:01 Koshi wrote:
I am not mafia.


Wasn't it disfos argument
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
June 14 2017 18:29 GMT
#595
On June 15 2017 03:27 annul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:24 Eversince wrote:
p.s. caught up finally. I should be around for a while now


thoughts on this:

Show nested quote +
On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince.




SL being trollish is the way I took it. Seemed like he wanted something other than HF/Koshi fight.
Which is fine. I am honestly more concerned with the people that rolled around the idea that we should lynch into us off a D1 red check claim vs a person who has yet to even post.
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
June 14 2017 18:30 GMT
#596
On June 15 2017 03:29 Eversince wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:27 annul wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:24 Eversince wrote:
p.s. caught up finally. I should be around for a while now


thoughts on this:

On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince.




SL being trollish is the way I took it. Seemed like he wanted something other than HF/Koshi fight.
Which is fine. I am honestly more concerned with the people that rolled around the idea that we should lynch into us off a D1 red check claim vs a person who has yet to even post.

The ruxxar wagon is where you want to be then!
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 14 2017 18:30 GMT
#597
On June 15 2017 03:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:12 Xatalos wrote:
Btw could someone condense the case on Koshi? I get the fact that he said some 3P-sounding things earlier on, and isn't playing to his town (or scum?) meta... Still the huge wagon makes me wary.

From what I gathered:

His meta is off and he acknowledged that it is off. He stated he will not look like his mafia meta this game. He seems to be fishing for scumreads and openly admits to it in thread.

Annul thinks he(koshi) should have included annul in his list post because he based a read on vivax on a read vivax gave to annul.

He went back and forth on btdt and he isn't pushing the thread forward. He jumped on palmar for no reason.

This is what I remember from other people's posts none of these points are mine.

I personally disagree that claiming to know your own meta is scummy and I think he has made some decent posts and one or two not so decent posts.


Hmmm... Well I guess 3P is plausible given the weird points. Seems like there are better bets though, like ruxxar, or maybe rayn, so the huge wagon seems overkill.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
June 14 2017 18:32 GMT
#598
I'm probably going to re-read. In a few minutes.

@HF, when did you back off your Koshi read? I missed it but you seem ok with that lynch again as of p29
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 14 2017 18:34 GMT
#599
On June 15 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
I forgot rayn was in this game lol what were the points against him?


For rayn, it's mostly just that he's been very lackluster/passive so far. The worst thing that stood out to me was how he just talked about "Koshi not being mafia" though everybody was speculating about Koshi being 3P at that point. It's like he didn't even read what people said about Koshi and made his conclusion anyway.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Eversince
Profile Joined October 2015
Philippines2301 Posts
June 14 2017 18:34 GMT
#600
@Xata- Why is Rayn a good lynch? Somebody sell me on this. I'm not seeing it at all
Life's too short to be black and white. Make the world tie-dye!
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