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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 19:00 GMT
#621
Probably missing a bunch but I'm not even paying attention to half of people's ramblings.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 19:01 GMT
#622
On June 15 2017 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi case:

Claimed 3p

Admitted not following meta

Didn't do anything real until called out

Town read people based off one post and then someone else's reply with one post


Reads progressions that don't make sense such as btdt being mafia but then town and also mafia. He could have just read filter and come back saying he's town but made a big hullabaloo of quoting posts for no other reason than trying to look good in thread

Weird vivax progression of saying he has good reads but vivax is null. Only because I said it I presume.

Calls rayn post weird but then says I can't have him as 3p and rayn as mafia despite already believing rayn's post is weird.

Who does koshi scum read??

Still has people town because of 1 post in first page of game.


What has he done?

wow you are terrible at this game. All that shit is not AI.
and the others are fucking lies or twisted.

fuck you are bad.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 19:01 GMT
#623
Who was saying the koshi wagon is too fast? It has 5 fucking votes on it.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 14 2017 19:02 GMT
#624
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


Sometimes when a thing looks scummy/suspicious, it does in fact just come from scum
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 19:02 GMT
#625
w.e I am going to adress HF his points once but I cba to do much more because that list is a bu,ch of fucking ridiculous dumb shit.
I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 19:02 GMT
#626
On June 14 2017 23:43 Koshi wrote:
Town
TW town for calling fefe hilariously suspicious.
Fefe town for being ok with that and believing it.

Disformation town for not jumping on my wagon while thinking my opening was potential mafia. Also serious bait was hilarious, big laughs were had.
Beentheredonethat is more likely overeager “wrong” town than active pushing a wrong agenda mafia. And his aggressiveness continues over multiple pages, he is now quite confirmed town.
Damdred is town because his list post is very close to what I could think. Just like his read on me it comes from town and not mafia.
Darthfoley town because pushed the game forward with his Xatalos/Ruxxar posts. And overall is playing really well. Overall playing style he can do it as mafia but I don’t think he is doing it here as mafia.

Town with minus points.
Skynx started out a bit out of place. But picked it up very well. Sassy answer on btdt and loads of action.
Vivax made a pretty good read on Annul. But I don’t like his playstyle atm

Null
Holyflare his vote on me is incorrect. I don’t like how his gameplan feels set up.

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 19:02 GMT
#627
Called him ridiculous. Town read.

Ok. Ko3Pi.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
June 14 2017 19:05 GMT
#628
On June 15 2017 04:01 Holyflare wrote:
Who was saying the koshi wagon is too fast? It has 5 fucking votes on it.


I think I said that first? And FF too at some point?

Anyways, he does actually have 6 votes already with no true challenger. I thought it was 7 but apparently I was wrong. This doesn't mean he can't be 3P, at all, but it feels like he's sinking a bit too easily if scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 19:06 GMT
#629
Disformation town for not jumping on a wagon. Could easily be mafia not jumping on a town wagon because he know you can fight back if you're town.

Bad read town koshi wouldn't make.

I told you btdt was doing that crap but you made the flashy string of post quotes after I said that to reach the same conclusion. Nice sheep under the guise of own read.

Damdred posted a list post that didn't particularly say much of anything.

Rest is all mediocre nothingness.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 19:06 GMT
#630
On June 15 2017 04:05 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 04:01 Holyflare wrote:
Who was saying the koshi wagon is too fast? It has 5 fucking votes on it.


I think I said that first? And FF too at some point?

Anyways, he does actually have 6 votes already with no true challenger. I thought it was 7 but apparently I was wrong. This doesn't mean he can't be 3P, at all, but it feels like he's sinking a bit too easily if scum.


There's 22 players and it's the first wagon of the game. Hardly a weird thing.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 19:06 GMT
#631
I am going to use red to piss people off.
On June 15 2017 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi case:

Claimed 3p Blatant Lie

Admitted not following meta Only on my entrance which wasn't town or mafia meta. I said my play would be not mafia because I am not mafia. So this is fucking moronic reason.

Didn't do anything real until called out Blatant Lie

Town read people based off one post and then someone else's reply with one post NAI. And is completely valid to do as town

Reads progressions that don't make sense such as btdt being mafia but then town and also mafia. He could have just read filter and come back saying he's town but made a big hullabaloo of quoting posts for no other reason than trying to look good in thread Completely NAI. Hole fucking cow how bad is this?

Weird vivax progression of saying he has good reads but vivax is null. Only because I said it I presume. Blatant Lie. Vivax is townish but there was something I didn't like. I already forgot what.

Calls rayn post weird but then says I can't have him as 3p and rayn as mafia despite already believing rayn's post is weird. Blatant Lie. You can't read.

Who does koshi scum read?? Nobody real? So what? At least I am not fucking horrible like you are.

Still has people town because of 1 post in first page of game. SO WHAT?

What has he done? 3 pages of filter trying to do things. Pisses me off but I have said this about scumreads I had when they were town so this one is fair

I had a good night of sleep.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 19:08 GMT
#632
Oh boy I feel a shit fight occuring.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 19:08 GMT
#633
I am obvious town and you can't fucking read me HF. How shit are you then? Just because I didn't open like I used to and now you are fucking reading everything as biased as fuck in some wicked way to proof you can read somebody after 1 sentence while you are so fucking blind it is really hilarious tbh.
I had a good night of sleep.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
June 14 2017 19:08 GMT
#634
On June 15 2017 04:08 Holyflare wrote:
Oh boy I feel a shit fight occuring.

YOU ARE NOT PREPARED
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 19:09 GMT
#635
And by shit fight I mean a string of well thought out posts highlighting inconsistencies in your reads where you don't equate things equally or put much thought into them.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
June 14 2017 19:09 GMT
#636
On June 15 2017 03:54 Holyflare wrote:
Remind me not to join big games again, just a headache really.


20 person game is a "big game"

=(
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9856 Posts
June 14 2017 19:10 GMT
#637
On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:
On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:
@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on.
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

but as fefe pointed out:
On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.

##vote koshi


Care to elaborate?

Oh also ##vote ruxxar


Sure.

This post:

On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.

Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too.

btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta.


I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself.

Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground.

I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect.


For the second part:

People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads.

Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read.

Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote.


who do you think is scum?

I'm kinda looking at you tbh.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
June 14 2017 19:10 GMT
#638
On June 15 2017 04:08 Koshi wrote:
I am obvious town and you can't fucking read me HF. How shit are you then? Just because I didn't open like I used to and now you are fucking reading everything as biased as fuck in some wicked way to proof you can read somebody after 1 sentence while you are so fucking blind it is really hilarious tbh.


So let's just air this out. You're saying I'm town though?

I just want to make it super sure.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
June 14 2017 19:10 GMT
#639
Anyway. Enough rage. You won't see more of that. Please somebody call it fake rage. I am going to post less because this is not really fun for me and when a lot of people are tunneled there is not much I can do.


I'll continue to solve the game but might just do a couple posts from time to time. But maybe not that much.


I have enough pages of filter to let you analyse. I was truthful in every post and tried to solve the game. Problem is that trying was greeted by dumb accusation way too many times instead of some help.
I had a good night of sleep.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
June 14 2017 19:10 GMT
#640
On June 15 2017 04:08 Koshi wrote:
I am obvious town and you can't fucking read me HF. How shit are you then? Just because I didn't open like I used to and now you are fucking reading everything as biased as fuck in some wicked way to proof you can read somebody after 1 sentence while you are so fucking blind it is really hilarious tbh.



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