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On June 21 2017 06:58 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 21 2017 06:50 sicklucker wrote:
well who are you talking about wtf rels and skynx. rels never looks like scum when hes scum. hes a very monotone player. you have to lynch him on vote logic
yes he does. especially when he does his retarded cases on me (which is every game he is scum in).
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wait is the deadline today?
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Fine then i am gonna finish making pizza.
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On June 21 2017 07:11 Rels wrote:
the amount of people scumreading me and not engaging me to gauge me is too high. SL, rayn, Skynx, ruxxar. Shame on whoever is town in that list.
That's bs too man. I have done nothing this phase except for engaging you, you brush it all away and dodge my concerns. And then you claim this shit.
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On June 21 2017 07:17 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 21 2017 07:11 Rels wrote:
the amount of people scumreading me and not engaging me to gauge me is too high. SL, rayn, Skynx, ruxxar. Shame on whoever is town in that list. That's bs too man. I have done nothing this phase except for engaging you, you brush it all away and dodge my concerns. And then you claim this shit. well I'm here now. Claim any fucking concerns you still have. I hope it's better than what I answered yesterday
You haven't really answered anything afaik.
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Well here it is Rels:
1) On June 20 2017 19:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 19:11 Rels wrote:On June 20 2017 19:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 20 2017 19:05 Rels wrote:
I have explained 3. It's literally the part you erased after the part you quoted. I didn't "figure out I was wrong in this conclusion", I just thought it was less strong than I initially thought. I still think it's a small town indicator. Why is it a town indicator? 'cause in the narrative where she's scum with Xata and came to save him EOD1, it's more likely that she was fake AFK and faked entering the thread to save him. That what was said against her. I still don't understand this. You basically just went back in circles and said the reasoning is the same you earlier said is not actually a reasoning to call him town for it. Can you explain it in words i can understand? We have concluded she probably didn't fake her entering the thread. But why is misreading/misremembering something a towntell, even slightest? Because i don't see why.
You never explained this.
2) Where is the "Skynx is scum" read? From earlier, i don't care if you don't think he is scum anymore i wanna hear the read you were so sure of yesterday. You pointed out some stuff but that doesn't make any sense. Because Skynx gave 3 mafia reads he was most certain of and you think 2 of them are mafia so it would be that... HE IS MOSTLY RIGHT if you are!! And that makes him mafia? And you just say "An easy list to make the seems good but does nothing".... The dude jsut fucking gave 3 scumreads from which you think 2 are mafia, regardless of he pushes them or not he should be one of your top towns.
3) Why is Ruxxar mafia? Oh right... After saying Ruxxar is mafia this is what you say:
Still have ruxxar to filter tonight.
Mhmmm.. Seems like just as good reasoning as your read on me and Chez is....
4) So what happened to this:
I'm gonna push you until one of us is dead OR you start solving the game instead of just posting weird things and asking pointless questions.
Did i start solving the game? It doesn't look like you think so. Then why are you not 1v1'ing me as you said you would? I couldn't give any less fucking fucks if i get lynched because it nets us mafia the next day 100%. You're completely fucking illogical in how your reads change and what they are in the first place.
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On June 21 2017 07:38 Rels wrote:rayn you didn't answer this: Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 20:37 Rels wrote:On June 17 2017 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 15 2017 16:52 Rels wrote:On June 15 2017 12:05 darthfoley wrote:
Anyone else wonder why Rels was like 24 town reads with caveats to every read? How can you call Xata's post on ruXxar "good' when he just copy and pasted what like 4 other people have already pointed out? On June 15 2017 12:07 darthfoley wrote:
Like how can Rels view my case on Xatalos as convincing and pretty good while also town reading Xatalos for a thread sentiment case on ruXxar?
Don't like Rels so far It was a chronological list of things of interest while I was catching up. When I found something on a player that was already on the list I just put another thing under the list of that player. So: DF: - also understanding Skynx post + doing his own thing (p 18). Dunno why he doesn't like Xata though. Didnt find anything Xata did so far was AI. - nice post explaining why Xata is scummy. Convincing too, the bit where Xata missed Skynx' logic. First dash refers to this post.Second dash refers to this post.Then this: Xata: - good post on ruxxar. Refers to this post. this post. it is all over the place, starts from nothing and ends up on nothing. idk how to explain it more clearly. On June 17 2017 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Meh i am bad... The post doesnt actually explain anything (in how he got where he did), it just repeats what he did... On June 17 2017 01:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But Rels has nothing to give us so far.
Have you, disformation?
Havev you, Eversince? Why, after you realized your reason to scumrad me is wrong, I continue to be a main scumread ? You've played plenty of games with me where I give nothing early. Why the call for me being killed just after ? On June 17 2017 03:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos is mafia too. Shoot Xatalos, or Rels.. but Xatalos. On June 17 2017 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
rels
sicklucker
xatalos
disformation
skynx
tumble
btdt
kill into this list and win.
Your filter was a complete lackluster then. + you voted for annul for bad reason. + i thought Xatalos is mafia. + i had no time to elaborate on that further.
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And there is a difference between not posting (which is usually what you do when you're "doing nothing"). Now when you actually DID something it was not good at all. I don't call people out for being busy, or doing nothing in that sense. I just assume when they do something they actually do something useful, which is not what you did.
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You're saying "the reasoning is the same you earlier said is not actually a reasoning to call him town for it". When I explained I actually think it's a little town indicative.
Yes and the reasoning you said it's a little town indicative is same you already concluded is not actually town indicative at all earlier.
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Like this is how it went:
Rels: I think this X makes ES town
rayn: bs, that doesn't make her town at all
Rels: well i already said that, did you not read this post after my initial post?
rayn: i don't care, i wanna know why you initially thought it makes here town, or why did you say so?
Rels: Well i think it makes her a little bit town
????????????????????????
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On June 21 2017 07:58 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 07:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Mhm again we have this: ruxxar:
- "I like it" on a disfo post that didn't deserve any of it. Not that it deserved scum points. But nothing to like in it.
- buying SL's red check. Propose we lynch Eversince, then SL if she flips green. No game vision. Gullible. So you read Ruxxar as mafia because (after discounting your "top scumread" who is 0 posts marv) you want to lynch Ruxxar and one of your two reasons is he wants to lynch your top scumread discounting 0 posts marv and himself. Reeeeellllsssss!!!  ... this is one of my first posts I think ? Why did you remove the timestamp ? They're not the reasons I think he's scum now. This was the beginning of the game
Ahem so what are your reasons then?
This is the only post you have made about ruxxar after that before the "still have ruxxar to filter tonight.":
On June 20 2017 07:32 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 00:06 ruXxar wrote:
On my way home from work, so I'll get some more thoughts out later, but just to leave you with my preferred lynch order:
Grack.
Rels.
Maybe ES.
It's just super obvious to lynch people on the town train before people on the scum train.
If you try to convince me or town that there was only 1 mafia on the annul train I'll be nominating you for the Darwin Award. such an awful last line
So this is your reasoning then?
Or what?
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Like your reads are so fucking bad reasoned. So fucking bad reasoned, each and every one of them.
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Show me the quotes from your filter where you tell why Ruxxar is mafia. Do that Rels. Do it yourself and prove me wrong.
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Before the filter post. You have called the dude mafia all game and every "reasoning" i gather from your filter you tell is not valid anymore. SO WHY IS HE FUCKING MAFIA THEN?
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Lets see:
1) idk what case youre talking about, if it's the one on Grack it's 100x better than any of yours in this game.
2) ruxxar pushes his top scumread - you call it fake. for what reason?
3) ruxxar wants disformation to vote for his top scumread - you don't know what he is trying to accomplish? No instead you say something stupid like "Are you trying to scumread disfo?"
4) ruxxar thinks there is X mafia on annul, you think there is Y. You scumread him because X is "scary to do as mafia". But hey Rels, YOU CAN'T KNOW WHAT MAFIA WANTS TO DO OR WHAT THEIR GAMEPLAN IS, REMEMBER?!?!?!?
5) ruxxar wants to lynch his top scumread, that's scummy because he thinks the person he strongly thinks is scum is scum, okay....
6-7) some quotes from yourself that has nothing to do with why ruxxar is scum.
good case.
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Like literally Rels, you have made a case on Ruxxar that is basically "(1) he is trying to lynch his top scumread with (2) a bad case".
Now:
What is scummy in (1)?
Why is this a bad case:
*I took away the "he hammered town" part because that's actually a thing that never makes anyone mafia*
On June 18 2017 22:24 ruXxar wrote:[.....] 2) He doesn't try to solve the game. How many scum reads did he have the whole game? Let's see: DF: Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? I'm kinda looking at you tbh. Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 04:38 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 04:27 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 darthfoley wrote:On June 15 2017 03:57 Grackaroni wrote:On June 15 2017 03:49 disformation wrote:@xata: ruxxar gave his reason to vote koshi later on. On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:05 ruXxar wrote:
I have read Koshis filter and determined he is mafia.
##vote koshi Care to elaborate? Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:On June 14 2017 19:49 Holyflare wrote:
Wow i got him boys.
Rayn comes in with the defence. Totes mafia too. btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game. You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense. And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. but as fefe pointed out: On June 15 2017 02:40 Fecalfeast wrote:On June 15 2017 02:32 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2017 02:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
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Care to elaborate?
Oh also ##vote ruxxar Sure. This post: On June 14 2017 20:22 Koshi wrote:
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btw if you type things like this, one might think you are just throwing suspicion around and not solving the game.
You can't call me 3p, and then call rayn mafia with me. I guess you can. But it doesn't make sense.
And I am pretty sure my play will not match mafia meta. I don't like this statement. Comparing his own play to what an expected "mafia meta" is as a defense and validation of his own play seems like he's way too concious of how he's trying to project himself. Add that on top of all his waffling reads between scum/town, and non-commital it makes it seem to me like he's trying to thread a golden middleground. I actually like this explanation. Sorta wish you said this instead of just 'read Koshi's filter decided he's mafia' as now I'm suspicious you went back to read his filter after my post to find a post that is suspect. For the second part: People generally think this is scummy and it's not. It just generates suspicion because people don't like to see unjustified reads. Mafia won't ever just carelessly throw out a scum read without giving any thought about how they are going to defend it unless they are under some kind of heavy pressure to produce a read. Also I liked Ruxxar's reasoning for his Koshi vote. who do you think is scum? I'm kinda looking at you tbh. Look at me as much as you like, but why? I'm mostly just looking for someone kinda in the middle blending in. Disfo: Show nested quote +On June 15 2017 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I like Rayn too though. And I'm ok with a Disfo lynch. HF: Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
Holy flare seems like a very good vote. He's being ridiculously over the top trying to push this SL lynch.
I haven't liked either of his Vivax/Koshi pushes. And he dragged the Vivax one out for the hell of it. Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.
i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas. Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. "I'm ok with". "Seems like". There's 0 commitment to anything here. Just superficial non-sense without any substance. So obviously he followed up and actually tried to push his scum reads? Nope. Well, at least he voted for his scum reads? Nope. It's like a total non-commitment to any of his "reads" and just screams "I'm just trying to blend in".
Explain me why this is a bad case?
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On June 21 2017 08:01 Eversince wrote:
I think Rayn should at least drop the argument involving your comment on me. You clarified what you meant within the same minute of posting that.
No. The fact is Rels was making a factually incorrect statement he should know is one, and couldn't explain that reasonably. Instead he is trying to defend the statement.
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On June 21 2017 08:45 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 21 2017 08:01 Eversince wrote:
I think Rayn should at least drop the argument involving your comment on me. You clarified what you meant within the same minute of posting that.
No. The fact is Rels was making a factually incorrect statement he should know is one, and couldn't explain that reasonably. Instead he is trying to defend the statement. When I used this argument against him initially he said that he'd never try faking a dumbtell because he knew he'd be caught for it, so that's a dumb strategy, so he wouldn't do it
It is not a dumbtell it's a fucking slip if he is mafia.....
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On June 21 2017 08:46 Eversince wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 08:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 21 2017 08:01 Eversince wrote:
I think Rayn should at least drop the argument involving your comment on me. You clarified what you meant within the same minute of posting that.
No. The fact is Rels was making a factually incorrect statement he should know is one, and couldn't explain that reasonably. Instead he is trying to defend the statement. This is the post in question right?: Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 08:08 Rels wrote:On June 17 2017 01:48 Eversince wrote:
On my EoD stuff:
I ask for reads and SL: "vote with me if you think I'm town" Nothing else.
HF: vote for SL and loosely explains why. Nothings else.
I missed Rels big qoute post on Xata but I don't think it would have mattered.
Since I was left with "Blindly follow this because it's the one I want" I just blindly consolidated.
SL claiming I have him as a top town read at the time is funny.
And expecting me to make a vote based off reads that are almost 40 pg old, after I openly admit that my reads are outdated and I have no time to read to adjust them. Ooff to me.
HF claiming I say he's the only one to give input is misconstrued. Other than Rels post that I missed, he was the only one who said the reason for why I should vote with him. He just failed to do it for any of the other two wagons.
wow that makes Eversince town. My big quote was about annul. So to those thinking ES was faking entering the thread (and Ithought that too befor ethat post), is she faked that she wouldn't mess up the names there. That means the entering the thread was innocent at the very least. Which he followed within the same minute: Show nested quote +On June 17 2017 08:08 Rels wrote:
well that probably doesn't make her town. but that makes her not faking entering the thread Or am I just not on the same page as to what that is about? Because I was thinking this is what that is about.
Yes you are. I bolded the important parts for you.
This is what he says now when i questioned him for it:
I had a thought, then I realized it was not as strong as I thought, then I posted it.
"Not as strong as I thought" is different from "that doesn't make her town at all"
Does the second big part look like he said this?
I think he backed off from a statement he knows is factually incorrect in a manner that looks the least bad. You know like slowly fading into the background.. I hope you and other people get what i mean here. If i made that sort of a mistake as town i would just admit i did a hasty judgement call that was retarded (in the first place) and not try to defend that later (in a way that ALSO kind of contradicts your original retractment from it).
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