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no fake claims in my town. 
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also i realize that trying to rile ppl up and stuff is a valid mafia strat.
was just fairly annoying to play against, would like you to tone it down a bit next time.
you also kinda overdid it earlier this dayphase and that pushed me from 75% scum 25% pants on head town to 100% scum. though that was before the claim.
though you also managed to completely crap up the thread for today so there is that.
next time ill just lynch you if you are toxic as hell. xD
so i guess apology accepted.
i should have a bunch of time tomorrow so i am planning on doing a big rounds of filters.
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also @ the scum team.
next time i tell you to shoot me, you shoot me. =p
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also sry at palmar for not listening to you last day phase.
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On July 01 2017 08:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2017 08:11 disformation wrote:
also sry at palmar for not listening to you last day phase. Palmars read was still based on bad stuff. You nailed him by his eod.
well gotta make em regret not shooting me.
well. lets see where we are.
6-2 prolly.
nk 5-2
ml 4-2
nk 3-2
so 1 ml sends us to lylo
2 ml in a row is loss.
them votes:
annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince
Xatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflare
sicklucker (2): Palmar, Vivax
Koshi (1): beentheredonethat
marvellosity (1): Tumblewood
Skynx (1): VayneAuthority
Not voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity
not much new tbh.
Grackaroni (9): ruXxar, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, raynpelikoneet, Palmar, Eversince
sicklucker (3): Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo
Palmar (2): disformation, Fecalfeast
VayneAuthority (1): Grackaroni
this one is VERY interesting. all the wagons are town. so scum should not care that much about the lynch and/or spread votes out a bunch. since there are already 2 of presumably 4 scum on grack, i think the remaining scum are less likely on grack.
meaning rels, skynx, fefe.
I think fefe's reacting at eod was feeling town to me. so that points to rels, skynx. now i also understand better where fefe's vca is coming from.
btdt's filter on rels:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 16 2017 15:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince are the hammers
I don't remember anything particular from any of them anyways On June 20 2017 18:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
Rels is in this game? d'oh On June 21 2017 16:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
current main wagon:
Grackaroni (5): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority
D1 main wagon:
annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, Eversince
Ruxxar and Fecalfeast are voting together once more. Both rather townread people. Why was everyone so super sure on Fecalfeast again? I think there were valid points but don't remember.
VayneAuthority ended up on Skynx D1 and is now up on the Grack wagon after popping in for a while. So D1 a non-committal vote and D3 joining the wagon in a strong fashion (I think joining a wagon as #5/#6 has more weight than #1/#2) which gives me worries. What are VA's reasons?
Like, people from the annul wagon aren't exactly cleared. We're focusing on Rels, Grack, ES, but left out Ruxxar for a lot of time (for which exact reasons?)
Hmm On June 21 2017 19:10 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 04:37 Skynx wrote:
Also none of this is productive.
I'm lynching Rels today. Grack and SL i can also lynch. Disfo is also mafia.
There is also like 5 other people with 2-3 page filters and terrible D1, I can lynch them also.
I actually have no idea who is town this game. And that makes me think Grack is scum with Skynx and Rels is town. In a world where VA is town and scumreads Grack and Fecalfeast, with Skynx HEAVILY disagreeing with VA on Fecalfeast BUT being "okay" with a Grack lynch BUT voting Rels instead, I can see Skynx being scum with Grack. Get the town cred from saying "I'm okay with that", throw in a bunch of everyone-else ("I have no idea who's town"), and proceed to vote someone who's not your scum teammate but who is currently also in discussion of the thread. That would meet the Xata vote, too, because it was exactly the kind of bussing I'd expect from scum. On June 22 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 08:01 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 3 Grackaroni (9): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, raynpelikoneet, disformation, Palmar, Eversince sicklucker (3): disformation, Palmar, Grackaroni, Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo, GrackaroniPalmar (2): disformation, Grackaroni, disformation, Fecalfeast VayneAuthority (1): Grackaroni disformation (0): disformationRels (0): sicklucker, raynpelikoneet, SkynxFecalfeast (0): TumblewoodSkynx (0): Palmar, Skynxraynpelikoneet (0): RelsruXxar (0): Blazinghandbeentheredonethat (0): disformationHalf the Sky is throwing Grackaroni out of her whiskey bar. Observations: 1 Pretty much uncontested Grack wagon 2 Votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand 3 Irrelevant votes: raynpelikoneet, Palmar (starting with Rayn as hammer because Fecalfeast was originally part of the Grack wagon) 4 "Counter wagon" votes: Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo 5 Wasted votes: disformation, (Fecalfeast) re: 1) Having an uncontested wagon where no big discussion is revolving around pretty much means it's a town wagon. However, I think there was actually a lot of discussion in the past day, especially started by Rels. I am town reading Rels right now; he came out of the lurker shadows to actually talk. I also like his fighting with rayn and I'm super worried about rayn not being the town super hero that pushes people around. So Rels up, rayn down, although I gotta admit I haven't looked too deeply into the fight these two have. My association between Skynx and Grack was obviously wrong. Nevertheless I find it super suspicious that Skynx chimed in, threw around some shade, later on pissed off, let the Grack lynch happen without really putting in work to push the sicklucker lynch. I am sure that there is scum on the Grack wagon and I am fairly certain that not all scummers are on that wagon; and Skynx' vote feels off. We have two mislynches as someone pointed out; so a vig shot (if available) gets more and more risky - but Skynx is a decent target. But I'm super super super afraid here. Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince (voted super late each time) Town should be: disformation (mehhhhhhhh, and only if he doesn't die this night lol, and town rage), Chezitwo (mainly based on D2), Rels (based on D3) Meh: Palmar, Tumblewood, Blazinghand, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, rayn I hope I didn't forget anyone. re: 2) These three players were basically the ones who sealed the Grack lynch: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand. All of them will be moved to the scum pool for that: Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels Meh: Palmar, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, rayn So without further ado, they come into the scum pool. re: 3) Same as 2), can just be scum chiming in. Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, Palmar, rayn Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels Meh: ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority re: 4) Rels pushing sicklucker matches what he did all D2. I don't think that this is scum pushing a second town wagon here. So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. Skynx' vote on the other hand isn't as solid als Rels' vote. He not voting Grack (although he did say something about voting Grack, or am I wrong there?) is actually scum indicative here as he pretty much wasted his vote, putting it on unflipped instead of townflip. I'm certain Skynx is scum. Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid. re: 5) The only thing that comes to my mind is that disfo said early D3 that he'd end up voting Grackaroni anyways. Not sure what to make out of that but it striked me as weird. On June 26 2017 17:09 beentheredonethat wrote:Confirmed town: VA (Vig claim) ES (Tracker claim) There was more confirmed town by the ES claimed but I forgot, please help me out. I think one of Rels/Ruxxar is scum. It just makes sense that one scummer is in who's active in the thread while the rest hides/hid in the afk pile. The afk pile has drastically been reduced, which is great, and Tumble's flip kinda confirms to me that the scum team is super low volume. I think Ruxxar looks actually worse than Rels but this is completely based on gut. We should always lynch Skynx or 3-page-Palmar here, no questions asked. I think we have 2 or 3 mislynches left now that Tumble flipped. Mafia has 1KP, we even have a jailkeeper in. We're in a super position . On June 26 2017 22:39 beentheredonethat wrote:
but all we have are lazy towns and active scummers. I'm not 100% locked on Rels but Rels/Palmar/Skynx actually is a thing On June 28 2017 04:37 beentheredonethat wrote:
"if he's scum then wp" I hate to say that but I don't see fecal being the lynch prior to Palmar/Skynx/(Rels) On June 28 2017 08:19 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 08:15 Skynx wrote:
I didn't switch mainly cuz i believed Palmar can pull that kind of play as scum, i could see your logic. nah you didn't switch because you're scum with Rels you had the hammer and were content voting with me On June 28 2017 17:03 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2017 16:13 ruXxar wrote:
Btdt, explain something to me.
You think that skynx is scum.
Skynx is voting for palmar.
You are voting for palmar.
You switch to rels and now skynx calls you scum.
Now you are even more sure that skynx is scum.
You switch your vote back to palmar, once again voting together with your 100% scum read skynx.
How does that make any sense? My whole stance back then was Skynx and Palmar being a team, mainly because both were pushing me and denying me being obvious town. So when I realized "dude, I got the hammer", I hammered Rels, because Skynx was super happy with voting Palmar. I expected Skynx to INSTANTLY retract his super weird town thing he had on me and he did, so I was super fine switching back to Palmar. I thought Skynx is bussing and Palmar is confirmed scum at this point. Had I switched to Rels, I would have gained 0 informaton about Skynx/Palmar - and a Palmar red flip would've confirmed Skynx as super redredred. Game isn't as easy as I thought, it's probably Skynx and Rels plus x. On June 28 2017 17:10 beentheredonethat wrote:Like, Skynx pretty much confirmed himself as scum: 1. His top scumread (me) was in thread and weilding the hammer 2. He was in thread and was SUPER CONTENT in just watching Palmar die 3. He was perfectly capable of flipping Rels but decided to instead let the Palmar lynch pass Skynx was super under radar when things were great for scum. Skynx only started "playing" (more like "yelling btdt is scum") after the claims happened and scum got under a lot of pressure. He never chose to answer any questions, and he didn't even consider anyone outside of btdt and thread sentiment targets (i.e. Palmar). There's literally no way this guy is not scum and I have just confirmed him EoD
so he ignored rels really hard a lot of the game and then builds up the skynx + rels thing.
and while stuff like vca points to rels, wouldn't that shit make way more sense if skynx and rels were town and he was trying to setup a bunch of ml's?`
or is that some super weird shit where all 3 are scum and they are setting up the mega bus?
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rels on btdt:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 20 2017 20:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 19:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm on page 11. I have to admit that his N1 looks very good, especially asking the vig shot to be directed towards Xata. However, Xata doesn't die, so either vig didn't shoot or mafia has a protection mechanic or the roleblock got lucky? Hm, speculations. I'd say scum has a protective mechanic looooool never scum. BTDT is never ever scum. This is him solving the game right there. Speculating that the scumteam might have a prot role 'cause it fits with his belief that disfo is scum. I'm never ever voting him. Sry BTDT but I'm not convinced at all by your case. Apart from point 1 which is what annoyed me about disfo at the beginning. But the rest is him being disfo. Doesn't make him scum. On June 20 2017 21:23 Rels wrote:
SL / BH
rayn / ruxxar / Skynx
Palmar / Chezitwo / VA
ES / FF / Tumble / Grack
BTDT / disfo
That makes me feel good. This makes sense. On June 20 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2017 22:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
is btdt usually like that? never played with him.
because pushing the fake cop check (aka they make us decide between lynching scum/scum and its suspicious if he stays alive, in addition to him being townie to begin with) is absolutely insane.
That's borderline policy lynch unless that's just his usual don't really remember. I know I was his coach in his first scumgame, and he was pretty ballsy, but this is even stronger than I remember him doing. But look at what I've posted about him and his mindset towards disfo. It makes him town. On June 21 2017 20:04 Rels wrote:
disfo and BTDT your fight is annoying. You're both probably town. And it looks like you're not getting lynched today. So if you could stop and be nice it would be awesome. p:
yeah I know I might not be the best guy to say that ^^ but it would be good On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote:
BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise On June 28 2017 00:53 Rels wrote:
Palmar didn't convince me at all. On the contrary. Seems like he jumped on the first opportunity he saw, even bending the reality bit when he said "btdt ended the day as a single random vote on Koshi instead of trying to kill his scumread", because:
- after the post he quotes, BTDT had another post where he shows he scumread Koshi some more
- BTD wasn't there at EOD, and when he was there Koshi was the main wagon
I also have the impression he's buddying me while keeping the option to jump on me. That's twice now he said: "First of all, I still like the fact that he recognizes I'm not mafia, that there is no way I play this way as mafia." Implying, if I start to scumread him, this no longer holds. On June 28 2017 07:54 Rels wrote:
well. BH / Palmar are scum for sure.
BTDT I don't know On June 28 2017 07:55 Rels wrote:
Always lynch Palmar / BH. Very likely BTDT after all On June 28 2017 07:59 Rels wrote:
Palmar / BH are 100% scum
Dunno what to think of BTDT, very likely town, or scum afraid of bold switch On June 28 2017 18:44 Rels wrote:
I'll make posts explaining my thoughts when I have the time IE tonight. The TLDR on Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.
I have opinion on BTDT. My opinion is that I'm conflicted. More on that tonight
hmmm... reads more like wrong town to me. not 100% sure though.
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not entirely sure.
with vigi/tracker/parity cop it has to be 5 though.
otherwise the setup would not be balanced.
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dunno is really weird.
ruxxar and rayn should be town imo.
va is prolly just the vig.
leaves
fefe, skynx, bh, rels
like voting logic wise it kinda points to rels.
btdt / skynx prolly was tvs.
but if rels is scum and skynx town, wtf was btdt doing that eod. give skynx the chance to hammer scum rels? wtf.
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and if skynx and rels are town what was bh doing?
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dunno. feels like i am missing something.
apart from the fact that i dont have a good scum read on any of them.
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a lot of ppl want rels day apparently.
the only one i can remember actually casing rels is rayn.
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he explained his tr on you, but he didnt really follow up on btdt.
could be a timing issue, aka him not being in thread.
progression oges:
On June 28 2017 18:44 Rels wrote:
I'll make posts explaining my thoughts when I have the time IE tonight. The TLDR on Skynx is his continuous investigative tone + how he thinks about the game, trying to find teams that makes sense + attacking disfo when it makes no sense to do that.
I have opinion on BTDT. My opinion is that I'm conflicted. More on that tonight
On June 30 2017 00:12 Rels wrote:
Watcher is a stupidly strong role. Even without considering if the checks make sense or not, I don't think tracker + watcher + parity cop ever makes sense. Scum can lose so hard just getting wrecked by checks by those 3 roles.
On June 30 2017 00:15 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 00:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
because I expected the kill on VA. There was this jailor talk and when I submitted the check, I didn't know it was bullshit What changed between then and now ? Why was VA likely blue before and scum now ? Show nested quote +On June 30 2017 00:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
and my checks weren't horrible. I yelled for a vig shot on Xata because I had a good chance to confirm the vig if only he had shot. Makes little sense to me over watching a town leader likely to get shot.
On June 30 2017 00:17 Rels wrote:
##Vote beentheredonethat
Don't think you can convince me this makes sense. But let's talk
so he only came back into thread after btdt claimed watcher
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okay let me see.
might take me a bit, but i'll get it done before eon.
note for me: rayns timestamps are a 1h off from mine due to daylight sucking time
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On June 21 2017 20:20 Rels wrote:
maybe we should put Skynx out of his misery as a birthday present =D
On June 21 2017 20:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2017 20:31 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 20:23 Rels wrote:On June 21 2017 20:19 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 21 2017 20:05 Rels wrote:
BTDT join us in that "lets see if SL is really unlynchable" quest. Good reward at the end I promise No, we're lynching into Grack or Skynx today. I dived SL's filter with the assumption he was scum and he pushed annul so hard D1 that I didn't really think that scum would do this. Like, he was all over it, scumreading HF super hard and then HF is the nightkill. He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads I think that's town-sicklucker but more importantly I think skynx/grack are the better lynch. the first part is not true. First, SL is actually one of the few players I know who is NOT afraid to protect his partner at all cost if he can. He has a certain logic that he follows. Second, consider that there was also the possiblity of HIM being lynched instead of Xata or annul. So it makes sense that he needed to be active. About HF, this means nothing. Scumreading someone super hard then killing him proves nothing. Especially since HF is a super strong player for any scum team; and that he was scumreading SL pretty hard. Finally, this is not true: "He's also saying very often "i'm sicklucker i'm super good" while making jaw-droppingly weird reads." On the contrary, I'm waiting for the weird smart post and they're not coming. He did push Annul. It's true, I can bring up 5-10 posts where he's pushing Annul and/or talking people into lynching Annul. Having also read the summary of why you're scumreading him, I think it's mainly meta reasons. I can see your points in saying "it's NAI if you push a town lynch super hard or scum read someone who flips immediately", so yeah you're right. I think he shouldn't be the lynch today. Flipping Grack/Skynx gives us a lot of information, we can associate a lot and we'll be able to read more into other people's reads, which is like the exact ground where sicklucker can do the weird good posting that you expect him to do. Thing is, I'm more sure SL is scum than everybody else. I can switch to Skynx if SL become the town god he is when he's pushed. But until that happens we should pressure him.
On June 23 2017 06:29 Rels wrote:
Palmar is the most useless piece of shit ever. And that I want to lynch FOUR people over him speaks greatly about these players. Only Skynx I would lynch Palmar before if I had to decide right now.
skynx post after that:
On June 23 2017 17:10 Skynx wrote:
I'm inclined to trust the claim. Mafia is hiding.
##Vote: beentheredonethat
On June 23 2017 17:31 Skynx wrote:
He was in my list anyway buy his night accusations on me now look like tmi as they could no way expext a sl kill and sl vs grack revealing tvt wouldnt be until too late, maybe he hoped to lynch me before that who knows.
Dunno if i wanna lynch Palmar/TW before him polly not.
On June 23 2017 17:34 Skynx wrote:
Someone else can do the hardwork amd say why he vote off wagon D1 and Grack D3, im sure they are bad reasons.
On June 23 2017 23:44 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 21:32 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 21:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
at this point I think Eversince is basically confirmed scum by the way. She's not there, not modkilled, no contribution, nothing at all, and what a coincidence, all while nobody talks about her.
I realize people are after Palmar? Why?
oh and ##vote Skynx Says ES is confirmed mafia. Votes skynx. this guy is scum bro.. 
On June 23 2017 23:57 Skynx wrote:As long as: disfo, Rels, rayn, Ruxxar, Chez, VA, fefe work together this game is pretty much over. 3 ppl confirmed by roles, rest are decent scumhunters. 4 mafia and 1 3P in Palmar, TW, ES, btdt, BH sounds about right. If it comes to confirm btdt by flipping me we still have 1 more ml so happy days I might actually step it up if I'm bothered but I just feel like i hate everyone when i actually put in some effort and people get on me like 'whats the point of this?'.
On June 24 2017 00:03 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2017 23:51 ruXxar wrote:On June 23 2017 23:44 Skynx wrote:On June 23 2017 21:32 Chezitwo wrote:On June 23 2017 21:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
at this point I think Eversince is basically confirmed scum by the way. She's not there, not modkilled, no contribution, nothing at all, and what a coincidence, all while nobody talks about her.
I realize people are after Palmar? Why?
oh and ##vote Skynx Says ES is confirmed mafia. Votes skynx. this guy is scum bro.. Reasons? He just fits the mafia agenda I noticed on him since the start. He gives me the feeling that he's never about scumhunting. Cases he produced in D1 and last night can only be named 'cases' cuz he's misleading everything that can be read from the quotes. He's like CNN basically, just alternates facts trying so hard to scumread someone. He posts walls of texts so it looks like he knows what he's talking about i guess.
On June 24 2017 00:07 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 00:04 Eversince wrote:
Ok I can't make sense of SL's crumbs/reads.
FF/Chez town is general consensus. That's fine and all, I already read both of them town anyway.
Problem that I'm having here is SL's read on TW was 100% confirmed town.
But SL didn't check FF/Chez. SL visited TW N1, Chez N2.
SL also was very sure Marv's slot is mafia. Never gave this any other chance. Which is why if he got a return of different TW is the town and Chez is the scum. I don't know why he implied FF got included in that at all. Not sure why he would lie about his checks as town. And if TW/Chez came back as same I have a hard time putting TW as town.
I visited Rels N3. He was a total shut in.
Before it gets mentioned, I obviously have no reason to claim right now as mafia. But town needs the info because everyone seems to be having just about as much trouble as I am. I'm obviously not much use right now other than being lynch bait on everyone's mind. So let's kill two birds with one stone.
I'm pretty sure tracker cannot check same guy on consecutive nights otherwise it would be pretty op.
On June 24 2017 01:37 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2017 01:30 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 23 2017 10:05 Tumblewood wrote:
what kind of crazy land are you living in where a 3-4 man team misses their night actions If Tumble flips read I'm pretty sure this is exactly what happened last night :D haha you mad?
On June 25 2017 05:27 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 03:02 disformation wrote:On June 21 2017 03:51 Skynx wrote:On June 21 2017 03:48 Chezitwo wrote:On June 21 2017 03:11 Skynx wrote:On June 20 2017 21:23 Rels wrote:
SL / BH
rayn / ruxxar / Skynx
Palmar / Chezitwo / VA
ES / FF / Tumble / Grack
BTDT / disfo
That makes me feel good. This makes sense. So there are 5 scumreads here, lets see the reasonings behind them. On June 20 2017 21:20 Rels wrote:
OK I'm done with my free time. Let's get a wagon starting on sicklucker.
##Vote sicklucker On June 20 2017 20:54 Rels wrote:sicklucker being this motivated for a D1 lynch is pretty weird. + he didn't react the way I would expect him to HF pushing him. Remained strangely calm and collected for him while still trying to get annul lynched. Usually that's where he becomes super townie, by having sprayed of posts that are strange and genius at the same time. Didn't happened there. Didn't happen everywhere in his filter. On June 16 2017 07:58 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 07:58 Holyflare wrote:
just realise that sicklucker just said annul has towny sounding posts just now and has absolutely no real reason to scum read annul but is voting him over xata who he doesn't even realise doesn't scum read rayn i said very slightly convincing plz... And HF is killed N1 despite being a likely doc protect. + it might be pretty ironic for me to say that against him. But at EOD1 I doubted my vote hardcore because of some annul posts and almsot switched to Xata. SL might be the best player at reading those situations, but he didn't switch, and didn't even show it made him think. Like, I would have expected him to play at least like he described I did: On June 16 2017 21:15 sicklucker wrote:On June 16 2017 11:50 darthfoley wrote:
Rels also looks problematic given his enter the thread, procede to not vote then voted as the 5th on annul to tie it 5-5.
Not like I Rels out from a mile away na rels is alright his logic was good he looked hesitant at the end too + after that I become one of his main target despite being one of his main townread for no reason other than "let's lynch in the annul wagon". I think I wanna lynch SL. What's good too is that if he's town it should become obvious. Meta read is irrelevant here, sl is just a troll he can do anything in D1 and wouldn't prolly be ai. Second point is very ironic yeah i dunno whats your point here? If you're scumreading sl for that doesn't that makes you scum aswell??? You became everyone's main target because your filter was bad until today started basically. I can kinda see why he tr you earlier with your early list and everything. Are you just bussing sl?? On June 20 2017 08:11 Rels wrote:
BH didn't convince me. Spending all this time arguing with BTDT that went nowhere Pretty much all about BH to make him his equally hardest scumread. On June 20 2017 21:16 Rels wrote:On June 17 2017 00:54 Skynx wrote:
Anyway for sure 1 scum between sl/fefe/rux. They all look equally bad dunno where to start.
Grack ninja vote is terrible. Eversince and Rels keep going down in ranks but i havent read their eod properly yet.
Other terrible votes off train are btdt and TW. Maybe Vivax aswell but i think he is town.
My plan is to also ignore HF and Palmar for a bit. They can be any alignment and so far pretty useless, too high level stuff for me.
VA can go suck a dick.
rayn is a mystery
I think tomorrow we can start the lynch with grack or any of first trio that started the train.
Updated townlist: disfo, df, damdred, Koshi, Vivax
Sl/ruxxar/tw/btdt/HF for postgame cred Don't like the bolded though. An easy list to make the seems good but does nothing. On June 20 2017 02:10 Skynx wrote:Starting my annul train series with the first trio of sl/ruxxar/fefe On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul On June 16 2017 03:11 sicklucker wrote:
##vote annul i agree nice ninja ff you get a cheap townread. I just voted him after reading his filter
Got one boys and im super trendy because no one voted him yet so bonus points On June 16 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2017 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
I think if we're letting rucksack live we should kill annul I'm down. On June 16 2017 07:23 Rels wrote:
Don't see a town motivation on annul's vote on Xata then begging Xata to vote SL.
EITHER he prefers to lynch SL, then voting SL at that point puts him above him with 1 hour to see what happens
OR he prefers Xata, but why the begging to Xata so he votes SL then
Doesn't make any sense. Scum. Very likely On June 16 2017 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:On June 16 2017 06:58 annul wrote:
not at all. i am 1 switch away from majority. with the tiebreaker being what it is, i have no choice.
i WANT to vote for koshi/ruxxar since they are both mafia and either is a fine kill. but alas. Annul seems like an ok lynch to me. I dislike that he doesn't waver at all in his Koshi read after 10 pages of filter. It would be worthwhile to check if he tends to be very confident in his reads as town, because his are still based on things from the early game. I'm on my phone on a train, and the internet is not great. On June 16 2017 07:45 Eversince wrote:
This is going to make me look like garbage.
I haven't read anything since pg 35ish. Give me the the rough of what's happen between now and then for Xata, Annul, and SL.
I don't have time to fact check so my vote is entirely blind at this point. Don't know where to begin... On June 20 2017 02:24 Skynx wrote:
Everyone on the train had terrible reasons for voting annul. Makes it kinda harder to analyze, scum could be all there tbf. No one had an outstanding read on Xata either, mainly this and that. All 6 I'd lynch 1 by 1 except Ruxxar maybe as he's picking up the game. On June 20 2017 02:30 Skynx wrote:
One thing I noted tho, when it was 6-5 to annul, Eversince came late into thread and claimed he's clueless with that post but he took another 12 mins to think about who to vote.
From a town point, if you're clueless, making the train 6-6 shouldn't really bother you but if you're scum you're literally offering your RB on a silver platter. On June 20 2017 02:47 Skynx wrote:
I feel like few votes on him and Grack will start spilling all the beans. And this looks like he started fabricating a vote analyze but didn't know how to do it. There is nothing there. Like the bolded above, he points that every reasonning is bad and he wants to lynch every player. No game solving there. Not trying to push game forward and all. I didn't understand anything from rayn interaction, I assume they are disagreeing on reads? Ruxxar pretty much the same I don't get the sr but apparently you sr him from very early on, why not vote him when he had bunch of people on him?? There is a general lack of structure in these scumreads, he reads the game thats for sure but he just quotes posts and makes up bunch of reasons out of nowhere. Lets look at the townreads, I actually found the one about Grack On June 20 2017 06:58 Rels wrote:
but Grack showing he remembered a random post from Palmar means it's likely he's either scum with marv, or not scum. Cause him remembering this random post means he read Palmar's filter (so he's town) or this post stucked to him 'cause marv is his partner. Most likely This is just laughable, Grack has arguably the worst filter in the game along with ES and gets the easiest tr based on something so superficial. On June 20 2017 20:27 Rels wrote:On June 20 2017 19:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm on page 11. I have to admit that his N1 looks very good, especially asking the vig shot to be directed towards Xata. However, Xata doesn't die, so either vig didn't shoot or mafia has a protection mechanic or the roleblock got lucky? Hm, speculations. I'd say scum has a protective mechanic looooool never scum. BTDT is never ever scum. This is him solving the game right there. Speculating that the scumteam might have a prot role 'cause it fits with his belief that disfo is scum. I'm never ever voting him. Sry BTDT but I'm not convinced at all by your case. Apart from point 1 which is what annoyed me about disfo at the beginning. But the rest is him being disfo. Doesn't make him scum. More easy tr's, did you even read rest of btdt filter? He's not making 1 bit of sense since start of the game and above post can be very easily fabricated by mafia. I don't even think I'd come up with this one if i was really trying hard to tr btdt. Concluding point: On June 20 2017 21:00 Rels wrote:Actually I just did. On June 15 2017 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:On June 15 2017 00:14 Koshi wrote:On June 15 2017 00:12 Tumblewood wrote:
so far i'm thinking ruxxar and disfo have basically dumbtelled by taking sl's claim at fake value. unless i am actually operating on way less irony than them Don't think they are dumbtelled town for believing a claim. They are more likely town if SL is mafia. or what do you mean? believing the claim requires not realizing that sl just made that up. and if rux or disfo are mafia then they should figure that out because it doesn't reconcile at all with the information that they have. i think there's a corner case of this where they're mafia with eversince, but i figure they are still probably town. and if sl is mafia... idk, at least disfo is kinda scrubby and might take it as a legit fakeclaim this is kinda townie Nothing else stands out of to me as town or scum. The activity is bad ofc though. I want him to play more. Mind you he makes a similar post about me but I'm still scum and TW is town???? On June 20 2017 21:08 Rels wrote:On June 16 2017 03:39 Skynx wrote:
Koshi is not screaming and calling this town shit, he might be mafia actually this is kinda townie. Weird thing to say to a town leader that is obviously not getting lynched Like wtf? He just finds reasons in his universe that makes someone town or scum but apparently they don't apply to everyone in same value. It is most clearly seen in sl and simple tr on me and tw. I just can't follow any of his reads, sorry.##Vote: Rels Is it just me or is this last line really out of place? And if Grack has arguably the worst filter in the game how come you aren't on board with killing him? On June 21 2017 03:36 Skynx wrote:Disfo might be mafia at this point purely cuz of association. Him not dying after N2 is just madness. Framing redcheck on him by fellow mafia for pure WIFOM. Now that there is only me and him on original Xata train, he accuses me for being mafia whereas his main reason for voting Xata is sheeping my case and he has absolutely no idea on Xata otherwise. On June 16 2017 03:41 disformation wrote:On June 16 2017 03:40 ruXxar wrote:On June 16 2017 03:38 disformation wrote:
switched to xata.
i feel like voting with skynx and df. rather than with annul and ruxxar. Excuse me? you are a pretty big question mark. skynx and df are big town reads. skynx had a good post on xata On June 16 2017 03:42 Koshi wrote:
Disformation voting Xatalos when annul is moving up the lynchlist.
Interesting? On June 16 2017 03:43 Koshi wrote:
@disformation
Where do you have anything on Xatalos in your filter? On June 16 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
Did you read xata's filter and conclude something before you voted him disfo? Where are the posts? This is also a really bad post. There is literally nothing insane about disformation surviving the night. Grack will die dw, Rels is looking worse to me right now since he's revealed a bit more by being more active through this day. There is a chance Grack is just town who doesn't give two shits about this game but reading through Rels I'm sure I found mafia. Nice ridicule, you apparently ignored his actions on EOD and why he vote. Any thoughts on that? Any thoughts on Rels? You practically ignored everything i said... skynx could you explain that in a bit more detail? and why did rels get to be town again: On June 21 2017 22:19 Skynx wrote:
Guess I'll play:
disfo, Rels, Ruxxar, rayn
chez
VA, fefe null, off chance one mafia here
Palmar 3P
Xata, SL, Grack, btdt + 1
last one prolly ES/TW
I'll freestyle from now on. Rels was a bit of a rollercoaster for me: I tr him for his earlier list then he takes a big absence and i realise list was shit so sr then he steps it up by giving out bunch of reads and really trying to push the game forward (i think the quote is from that period?) then i sr him again (see the case) then i put him town again after my rage cuz i kinda now think he's town.
On June 25 2017 05:37 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 05:35 ruXxar wrote:On June 25 2017 04:49 Chezitwo wrote:On June 25 2017 03:36 ruXxar wrote:
Look at the annul train day 1.
Four out theory of 2 scum to be correct, either Fefe or rels is scum.
If I had to lynch one, I would lynch rels. Has there ever been any foundation for your "theory"? This justification just sounds completely retarded to me. Maybe there are 2 mafia on the wagon maybe there aren't. I agree with the palmar lynch next if only because we cannot tolerate this kind of play. The few posts he made were ok. On June 16 2017 08:02 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker, ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, EversinceXatalos (6): darthfoley, Kosh, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflaresicklucker (2): Palmar, Holyflare, Vivax Koshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivaxmarvellosity (1): Koshi, Tumblewood Skynx (1): VayneAuthority ruXxar (0): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annulTumblewood (0): ruXxarPalmar (0): sickluckerraynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, TumblewoodPalmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): KoshiEversince (0): sickluckerNot voted (4): Damdred, raynpelikoneet, AMG, marvellosity Half the Sky is getting ready to throw annul out of her whiskey bar.
Day 1 ends in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
The voting thread is here and only votes in the voting thread will be counted. If you want to assume that all on annul are green, we are left with these people: Skynx, and disfo on mafia. Palmar on town tw on ?? vayne vayne is town so that leaves tw, skynx, disfo and palmar. BH, rayn and Marv(you) didn't vote. If we also assume the people the people voting on xata are town. that leaves tw, palmar, bh, rayn and you. We assume that you and tw are different alignment and that tw is the scum. That leaves tw, palmar, rayn and bh to be the exact scum team. Btdt?
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ah fuck i think i missed some posts while i was doing that.
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btw something in fefe's filter:
On June 27 2017 02:19 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2017 19:14 Palmar wrote:Holy shit does beentheredonethat's filter look bad when considering Xatalos. On June 14 2017 20:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
Xata you're not saying anything in your posts, you're just commenting on things and speculating about 3rd party
that's superbad On June 14 2017 21:15 beentheredonethat wrote:
Xata disappeared? Two random comments with no meat on them and no real attempt to lynch the guy he's calling superbad and disappearing. Instead, when df offers a wagon on Xatalos, it's instead met with (weak) resistance: On June 14 2017 22:41 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 14 2017 22:40 darthfoley wrote:On June 14 2017 22:14 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 14 2017 21:28 Koshi wrote:
Let me do this:
##vote btdt
- Focused on a very small part of this thread.
- Reads seem more opportunistic than real.
- Very strong and closed in his language/thoughts. Not carefree and open.
I can explain it with many words but I am going to keep it at this for the time being.
so I a) comment intensely on koshi/hf/you b) scumread you, not following the 3p thing (alhtough a vote is a vote of course) c) call out annul d) poke xata * and I'm opportunistic? Opportinistic would be to vote rayn * a small part of this thread? the major part of this thread. how am I not carefree? I think I'm super carefree lol Let's vote Xata together, right now. You and I. Forever. While I favour the general idea, can you please state your reasons? Read the entire quote that follows. On what level are btdt's contributions helpful or insightful at all. On June 14 2017 22:51 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 14 2017 22:47 annul wrote:On June 14 2017 22:46 Holyflare wrote:On June 14 2017 22:45 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 14 2017 22:42 darthfoley wrote:On June 14 2017 22:28 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2017 18:21 sicklucker wrote:
alright boys im hard claiming cop with a red check on eversince. This makes it real simple. Lynch eversince. If green, lynch sicklucker. Guaranteed 1 scum down. How is this an intelligent plan at all? #3 to say that (I think, maybe more) darth comes on the town pile. If he's the third person to say it why is he town?? TIL you can only have one person make a claim and one other person agree with the claim before any other people become suspect So passive aggressive but for real, my impression is that darth is catching up and quoting and posting where he deems it appropriate. super gut feeling but I think it's town. not only does he think the same about ruxxar as I do, he also doesn't like Xata apparently and I don't like Xata, too And through it all, btdt sits on Koshi, despite thinking koshi looks better and Xata worse: On June 15 2017 17:49 beentheredonethat wrote:
Good morning. It's a bank holiday today in Germany and I am spending it with my GF on a wandering tour. I'll probably be in front of a computer in the evening if at all.
I skimmed everything besides the last two pages. Koshi looks better, Xata worse. Ruxxar weird. My mind screamed TOWN when I read rayns big post but I didn't like that he disappeared right after. Hf still town.
Disfo not town anymore because rayn made me paranoid.
Thats kind of where im at. btdt ended the day as a single random vote on Koshi instead of trying to kill his scumread. Then he bitched about it in the night: On June 16 2017 14:59 beentheredonethat wrote:
bad thing: Koshi lynch averted
bad thing #2: annul being lynched over xata
good thing: xata being 2nd wagon
I think a scum!xata will give us lots of indication and I highly suggest xata to be shot at night. Maybe should have done something about that? I think there is about 100% chance btdt is mafia ##Vote beentheredonethatI'm not done with his filter, but this day 1 looks very much terrible. I was getting paranoid that I was being to lenient because like the first 4 people I read actually look like townies, but this guy doesn't look like a townie at all on first glance. Please give me reasons why I should townread him if anyone has any. To me this is almost a good enough case on it's own. I actually read this now. One nitpick, why does btdt call for a shot on xata if he's on xatas team? I totally agree with the logic here though and may sheep you instead now.
On June 27 2017 02:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
Would still be ok lynching rels too.
On June 27 2017 03:46 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2017 03:12 ruXxar wrote:On June 27 2017 02:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
I'm just gonna sheep disfo because if he's wood league I'm dirt league What happened to our hard fought trust? I won't let you down again. I am the world's sheep. Give me a case worthy of my vote! Baaaa
On June 27 2017 07:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Do you count in that since you've called for yourself to get shot multiple times?
On June 27 2017 23:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Sheeping disfo onto palmar.
would like for fefe to explain this progression
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and after palmar he lands on rels based on:
On June 29 2017 03:10 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2017 08:04 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 1 annul (7): sicklucker ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Rels, Grackaroni, EversinceXatalos (6): darthfoley, Koshi, Skynx, disformation, annul, Holyflaresicklucker (2): Palmar, Holyflare, VivaxKoshi (1): Holyflare, disformation, beentheredonethat, Vivax, annul, ruXxar, Vivaxmarvellosity (1): Koshi, TumblewoodSkynx (1): VayneAuthorityruXxar (0): Fecalfeast, Xatalos, Vivax, annulTumblewood (0): ruXxarPalmar (0): sickluckerraynpelikoneet (0): Xatalos, sicklucker, TumblewoodPalmar (0): Koshi, Skynxbeentheredonethat (0): Koshi So day 1. If we are still assuming annul was not a pure town wagon that leaves ruxxar and rels. My preference of vote would be rels but it does make me suspect ruxxar again. Btdt voting off wagons is interesting as well since one off wagon voter flipped red already. Show nested quote +On June 19 2017 08:01 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 2 Xatalos (13): Fecalfeast, disformation, darthfoley, ruXxar, Blazinghand, Vivax, sicklucker, Chezitwo, Tumblewood, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority, Eversince, ruXxar, Skynx, Grackaroni, raynpelikoneet Chezitwo (1): sicklucker, beentheredonethat, ruXxardisformation (1): Xatalos, beentheredonethat, ruXxarbeentheredonethat (1): Palmarsicklucker (1): ruXxar, sickluckerRels (1): Rels Not voted (1): Damdred This votecount doesn't show where ruxxar actually ended up but his last vote in the vote thread is The only unflipped/claimed people not voting xata are rels, ruxxar, and btdt. Combined with day 1s votes i think these three are really good lynch targets. Ruxxar jumped around on a day where we basically had a claimed scum, possibly feeling bad about busing. Day 3 4 and maybe 5 on my next break because fuck vca on phone
On June 29 2017 03:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ruxxar is scum i think
On June 29 2017 03:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
Unless my next vca makes it stupid my list is ruxxar rels btdt
On June 29 2017 04:40 Fecalfeast wrote:Damn it posted in vote thread sorry! Show nested quote +On June 22 2017 08:00 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 3 Grackaroni (9): ruXxar, Fecalfeast, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, VayneAuthority, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, raynpelikoneet, disformation, Palmar, Eversincesicklucker (3): disformation, Palmar, Grackaroni, Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo, GrackaroniPalmar (2): disformation, Grackaroni, disformation, Fecalfeast VayneAuthority (1): Grackaroni So unless va ends up being mafia vig every single person with a vote on them at eod3 was town. Kinda makes this votecount useless to me except for the fact that ruxxar spent the entire day campaigning for grackaroni the town to be lynched. Show nested quote +On June 25 2017 08:01 Half the Sky wrote:Final Vote Count - Day 4 Tumblewood (10): ruXxar, raynpelikoneet, disformation, VayneAuthority, Rels, Chezitwo, beentheredonethat, Skynx, Palmar, Blazinghand Palmar (1): Tumblewood, Rels, Chezitwo, disformationruXxar (1): Fecalfeast Blazinghand (0): PalmarEversince (0): VayneAuthoritybeentheredonethat (0): SkynxSkynx (0): beentheredonethat Not voted (1): Eversince Half the Sky is getting ready to throw Tumblewood out of her whiskey bar.
Moderator Announcement: Eversince has been warned for failing to vote. Damn. This votecount clearly points to Fecalfeast will lynch tomorrow. Interesting tidbit that ruxxar was first on the wagon but this was after it was brought out that chezi and tw were a dfferent check from sicklucker so not much to gain here either.. Day 5 had some.interesting stuff eod and my break isn't long enough to go through it all but I feel like the day 1 and 2 votecounts on top of the action eod5 solidifies rels as the best lynch for tomorrow.
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first bunch of quotes:
fefe say he might be willing to sheep palmar's case on btdt
is also fine with voting rels
sheeps me on palmar
then gets mad cold feet at eod but does nothing
despite being willing to vote rels earlier..
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2nd bunch of quotes:
the vca stuff makes sense to me (see earlier)
but i am not sure why he says "on top of the action eod5" but doesnt seem to look into btdt and/or bh that hard
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lemme double check the night before the btdt lynch in fefe's filter
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