[N] TL Mafia LXXV - Page 257

On June 23 2017 22:45 ruXxar wrote:
Skynx I want to say is town.

I felt his reaction was genuine when I pissed him off.

On June 23 2017 22:45 beentheredonethat wrote:

Is that coming from the guy who does the weird things that don't make sense all the time ever since D1 happened?

Yeah that's exactly the guy.

On June 22 2017 18:48 beentheredonethat wrote:


Observations:
1 Pretty much uncontested Grack wagon
2 Votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
3 Irrelevant votes: raynpelikoneet, Palmar (starting with Rayn as hammer because Fecalfeast was originally part of the Grack wagon)
4 "Counter wagon" votes: Rels, Skynx, Chezitwo
5 Wasted votes: disformation, (Fecalfeast)

re: 1)

Having an uncontested wagon where no big discussion is revolving around pretty much means it's a town wagon. However, I think there was actually a lot of discussion in the past day, especially started by Rels. I am town reading Rels right now; he came out of the lurker shadows to actually talk. I also like his fighting with rayn and I'm super worried about rayn not being the town super hero that pushes people around. So Rels up, rayn down, although I gotta admit I haven't looked too deeply into the fight these two have.

My association between Skynx and Grack was obviously wrong. Nevertheless I find it super suspicious that Skynx chimed in, threw around some shade, later on pissed off, let the Grack lynch happen without really putting in work to push the sicklucker lynch. I am sure that there is scum on the Grack wagon and I am fairly certain that not all scummers are on that wagon; and Skynx' vote feels off. We have two mislynches as someone pointed out; so a vig shot (if available) gets more and more risky - but Skynx is a decent target. But I'm super super super afraid here.

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince (voted super late each time)
Town should be: disformation (mehhhhhhhh, and only if he doesn't die this night lol, and town rage), Chezitwo (mainly based on D2), Rels (based on D3)
Meh: Palmar, Tumblewood, Blazinghand, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, sicklucker, rayn

I hope I didn't forget anyone.

re: 2)

These three players were basically the ones who sealed the Grack lynch: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand. All of them will be moved to the scum pool for that:

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: Palmar, ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority, rayn

So without further ado, they come into the scum pool.

re: 3)

Same as 2), can just be scum chiming in.

Scum pool: Skynx, Eversince, Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand, Palmar, rayn
Town should be: disformation, Chezitwo, Rels
Meh: ruxxar, Fecalfeast, VayneAuthority

re: 4)

Rels pushing sicklucker matches what he did all D2. I don't think that this is scum pushing a second town wagon here. So if Rels would be scum, then sicklucker would most likely also be scum and we have a bus attempt to get town cred, which IMHO is a rather bad and useless bus because there's no way Rels gains towncred from this vote if sicklucker flips scum at any point. Skynx' vote on the other hand isn't as solid als Rels' vote. He not voting Grack (although he did say something about voting Grack, or am I wrong there?) is actually scum indicative here as he pretty much wasted his vote, putting it on unflipped instead of townflip. I'm certain Skynx is scum.

Chezitwo voting sicklucker - mehhhhhhhhhhhhh. Given how super eager he was to lynch Xata over Xata's cop claim, I don't know why he voted sicklucker here and kinda wasted his vote. I need to check the context of that vote as well as the reasoning. NAI imho but I'm not too sure. I don't have too many townreads so I'll keep him on the list "just cause" but I am indeed a bit paranoid.

re: 5) The only thing that comes to my mind is that disfo said early D3 that he'd end up voting Grackaroni anyways. Not sure what to make out of that but it striked me as weird.

On June 23 2017 22:43 beentheredonethat wrote:

oh right

but he's all on Palmar and I think that's good

On June 23 2017 22:49 disformation wrote:
well tw popping in, throwing out a few reads with 0 regard to thread consent and wasting his vote on whoever he thinks is scum is exactly how i remember him playing in a recent game.
problem is: compared to that game he has was less content/care this game.

On June 23 2017 22:46 ruXxar wrote:


Sure, but this is beyond bad:

On June 23 2017 22:49 disformation wrote:
well tw popping in, throwing out a few reads with 0 regard to thread consent and wasting his vote on whoever he thinks is scum is exactly how i remember him playing in a recent game.
problem is: compared to that game he has was less content/care this game.

On June 23 2017 22:55 beentheredonethat wrote:

That's actually a decent piece of work which is flawed. And so we talked about it. There is that slight difference in "hey, that's false, let's discuss" and "this is a piece of shit"

On June 22 2017 19:06 beentheredonethat wrote:


"votes in hammer range on town: Tumblewood, sicklucker, Blazinghand"
Tumblewood provided the hammer, sicklucker lifted it, you banged it on the table.

I think I have my facts straight here and you're trying to misrepresent my case. Why do you do this?

On June 22 2017 21:00 beentheredonethat wrote:

Take my face and ram it onto how it is correctly as town!rayn would do it

and also call me bad as town!rayn would

On June 22 2017 23:18 beentheredonethat wrote:

Well then BH

Who's all defensive about himself voting Grack, like "I did it and I stand by having done so" and who's pointing to himself as being the hammer. Is that scum being aware of how bad he looks who's trying to bring up points before town can bring it up?

On June 22 2017 23:09 beentheredonethat wrote:

The ones who put the deciding votes on a wagon are hammer votes. This is what I am analyzing. And I put all three of them into possible scum range. Do you disagree?

On June 23 2017 23:02 ruXxar wrote:


Well it didn't seem like you would change your mind when three people told you that it was incorrect:

On June 23 2017 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Dude you really think that makes him mafia?
Because i think the opposite. He is pushing insane shit and basically begging to be lynched. Thats not how mafia plays. Idk if you have played with him before but thats always how btdt gets lynched.

On June 23 2017 23:06 ruXxar wrote:


I'm saying I can't trust any of his reads, not that he is mafia.

On June 23 2017 23:11 Chezitwo wrote:
Fail.

Post was supposed to say: then who is mafia and why? Unreasoned lists do not count as an answer.

On June 23 2017 23:06 ruXxar wrote:


I'm saying I can't trust any of his reads, not that he is mafia.

On June 23 2017 23:21 ruXxar wrote:


I could lynch TW.
I could lynch Eversince.
I could lynch Palmar.

Disfo is ??
BTDT is ??

Maybe 1 mafia between Rels - Rayn (BH?), but all are active so most likely no lynch today.

Fefe, Chez, Va, Skynx town.

If you want more details you'll have to wait until later. Gotta finish my work.

On June 23 2017 23:24 beentheredonethat wrote:

I don't understand how you do not trust my reads but pull Eversince and Palmar out of my scum list and are super happy to lynch them. And the double question marks on disfo - like WTF either you townread him by now due to sheer effort put into the game OR you scumread him for being still alive or whatever reasons you have

but there's no way you have a null on disfo. same on me - you say you don't trust my reads but you're not pushing me, nor are you townreading me.