Newbie Student Mafia XXVI

On June 04 2017 02:01 Holyflare wrote:
Also ls seemed to be missing the tw thing then copying so keep eye on that

On June 04 2017 23:38 Holyflare wrote:
I play 100% of the time on my phone nowadays. It's not that difficult to do, especially with autocorrect and swiftkey remembering my most used words. If he types b/c a lot then that would be easy to do.

Regardless you're trying to make an absolutely ridiculous point that he's lying about being on a phone but to what end does he need to do that?

On June 05 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax could be mafia

On June 04 2017 09:43 Prison Break wrote:


Tumblewood: "I get the sense that we have a lot of townies running around and accusing other townies
what if we lynched blazinghand
I don't have a real reason he's scum but the rest of the game makes a lot more sense if he is"

Holyflare, do you think Tumblewood is defending possible teammates here (aka someone who is getting pressure right now that he's trying to defuse)?

I think Tumblewood make a bad push, but his response after realizing it was joking makes sense, including the "fuck". Town doesn't want to be wrong and frustration can lead to moments where you'd say "fuck". If he was mafia would there be a reason for him to say that? Not what to think on the push on blazinghand. I've seen town play like Blazinghand but not scum, so leaning town on him. That doesn't mean his "lie" on grack means anything - hell, Blazinghand reminds me of myself as town a bit and how I used to think, like I would catch people lying and push it, but I learned that catching a lie doesn't equal those players actually being scum. Although they could, but this seems like a silly thing to lie about. Like there's no value to be gained for Grack to say this if he knows he's going to get called out for it for because wrong. So I'd say he probably just forgot? So I'd say Blazinghand is town and Grack I have yet to decide.

All things considered I see you vs tumblewood being possible town vs town. My townread on you is based on the fact I can at least understand your push on tumblewood (since I considered it as well), and your townread on me (I think scum could've used town paranoia of me being scum slipping through last game to push me, you defusing this immediately gives towncred), I also like how HF called BTDT's post bad. HF seems tryhard, I wonder if he as scum would be this tryhard esp after last game, so based on that I'm leaning his as town right now.

On June 05 2017 03:52 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax could be mafia

On June 05 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:


This post you quote is actually an amazingly good post that surmises why being caught out in a lie doesn't necessarily make someone scum and is in fact relating to Blazinghand's alignment and not Grack's like you purport it to.

On June 05 2017 04:13 Holyflare wrote:


This post you quote is actually an amazingly good post that surmises why being caught out in a lie doesn't necessarily make someone scum and is in fact relating to Blazinghand's alignment and not Grack's like you purport it to.

On June 05 2017 04:31 Holyflare wrote:
1. You have to give them a chance to do something instead of driving them away. Focusing solely on newbies when there is a LOT of content in the game other than those people (which we have told you to focus on) looks bad because newbies are generally really easy mislynches.

2. It's not plain wrong. Ritoky, myself, many other people have told you to stop pushing these people, stop focusing on how "bad" you're being and communicate with the rest of the game. I have multiple instances in my filter repeating the same thing. There are many instances in your filter proving this.

3. Just because you did something once doesn't mean everyone now is capable of doing it. There is nothing in his filter that looked like he was shirking away from giving reads and phone posting was a way to achieve that so to me it looks like you're shovelling inane points to try and bury a new guy behind a wall of aggression so he shuts down instead of giving him space, reevaluating that you might be wrong and looking into other avenues in a three scum team game, which you have been asked to do.

4. You haven't mentioned him since.

On June 05 2017 04:43 Holyflare wrote:



Ritoky literally told you to do SOMETHING ELSE 1-2 pages ago. Don't feed me this line of crap. You not mentioning PB since applies to posts before he was clearly brought up again.

Either way, I do not care to be honest. I think you're suspicious but I have bigger fish to fry and want you to do something else.

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Conversion, I have one question for you. Have you phone posted every single post this game?

On June 05 2017 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
Vivax here's what you are going to need to do to prove I'm mafia defending BH.

Just real simple. Link games where BH has done an RNG push and said nothing about the game or solved it day 1 and been mafia.

That's a really really really simple task.

On June 05 2017 05:16 Holyflare wrote:


your whole fucking case on BH being mafia is that he had the opportunity to solve the game but didn't

but he's never done that and YOU KNOW IT

scummy fuck jesus christ

On June 05 2017 05:22 Blazinghand wrote:
Vivax.Are you 100% certain I'm scum

On June 05 2017 03:54 Vivax wrote:


Give me one fucking reason for BH to be town this game.

On June 05 2017 05:31 Holyflare wrote:


what the shittting fuck fest game are you playing in where I've said BH is town once?

I've REPEATEDLY about 100 times said he's a coin flip while you say he's 100% mafia

On June 05 2017 05:30 Holyflare wrote:


Assassination Mafia - 0 RNG lynch proposed, only starts any semblance of analysis at day 2 of game.

Noir Mini mafia - 0 RNG lynches proposed.

Here's the relevant ones that I mention when I say sometimes he just does nothing and that makes him a complete coin flip:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=Blazinghand

Blazinghand, shot night 2 - pushes joke posts in favour of his RNGd lynch - town

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?user=Blazinghand

Blazinghand - [M][N] Mini Mafia: The kinda Vanilla Experience Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 6 - RNG into analysis with a 20 page filter

it's not as cut and dry as you make it out to be at all and none of your links contained his RNG








[M][N] Mini Mafia: The kinda Vanilla Experience Mafia Vanilla Survived Day 6 - 20 page filter of content
[T] Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal Mafia Inspector G. Lestrade Survived Night 4 - 13 page filter of content

the point you raise that BH isn't posting content and is therefore mafia is bull shit because the last 2 games he has been mafia he has in fact been posting content non-stop

On June 05 2017 05:37 Holyflare wrote:


If BH is town and you push him and he's doing nothing and still doing nothing and he flips town you walk away with a mislynch on a good player and you can wash your hands of the lynch and say you did nothing wrong.

It's a bull shit 0 risk lynch that you can get away with. No balls whatsoever. Lurker lynch. Trash.

When has pushing a coin flip lynch ever been a good play in the history of this game? 0 content from people on them, 0 risk, 0 reward if it's wrong, 0 anything.

You push people that post a lot and generate content.

On June 05 2017 05:39 Holyflare wrote:


yes

he did that as town

like pushing the thing on you this game

no?

On June 05 2017 05:44 Grackaroni wrote:

No the last two games that Vivax linked he actually analyzes instead of RNGing. In the last two scum ones he pushes for the RNG lynch instead of analyzing.

On June 05 2017 05:48 Holyflare wrote:
your statement is that BH only tries to solve the game as town
but he did it as mafia
ergo vivax is pushing misinformation and lies
ergo

vivax is mafia

no?

On June 04 2017 10:07 Tubesock wrote:


Explain this.

On June 04 2017 10:07 Tubesock wrote:


Explain this.

On June 04 2017 10:21 Tubesock wrote:


lol ok.

I pretty much figured that part out when you said you looked at his previous games and said he's town...this isn't an explanation at all. You stalling or something?

BH has done 0. I think he's had 1 actual real post of usefulness. Everything is mostly blowing Gracks "Lie" way out of proportion.

It's hard for me to not see the world where both you are mafia, you jump on me for throwing suspicion on him, then back off because I am willing to fight. Then you weakly say you could lynch BH, but then retract for shit reasons.

On June 05 2017 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
plzzz
I'm almost forced to town read ritoky for being the only one seeing sense in this game and I don't want to do that

On June 05 2017 06:20 Holyflare wrote:


I don't care about my other reads? What? Did you even read the last page?

On June 05 2017 06:22 Grackaroni wrote:

It seems like a fair assessment to me. Aren't you lynching Vivax for trying to subvert the lynch from your scum reads on to Blazinghand?

On June 05 2017 02:00 Conversion wrote:
PB are your thoughts on BTDT the same? I honestly don't see how his play works out by tunneling me-- I think it's just a weak play at best if I end up getting lynched and flipping town, so I'm inclined to believe he's town but idk. I don't think lynching him today is going to get us anywhere, so I'd like to hear your thoughts on it.



Can you explain why you like BTDT's tunneling? I feel as if tunneling someone for weak reasons as above is more detrimental than not.

On June 04 2017 09:04 Tumblewood wrote:
specifically I mean grack is probably town. every game I see grack getting scumread by other townies but never really pushed, but he always comes through with the sort of analysis that's right on the money once or twice

On June 04 2017 09:29 Tumblewood wrote:
for the record, Hf, I have seen a small glimmer of mindmeld. I will continue to read grack as I see fit and you all can take a chill pill

On June 05 2017 05:59 Tumblewood wrote:
sorry Hf was I not clear?

On June 04 2017 10:13 Tumblewood wrote:

i read through bh's past games. his filter resembles the ones where he is town and not the ones where he is scum

On June 04 2017 10:13 Tumblewood wrote:

i read through bh's past games. his filter resembles the ones where he is town and not the ones where he is scum

On June 04 2017 10:26 Tumblewood wrote:

bh's scum games are just too much less involved to call this one of them. not only lower on posts but less actual content in his posts, less cases, etc. i hope my explanation was worthy of your blessed eyes

On June 03 2017 10:41 Tumblewood wrote:
I still maintain that most of your opinions are bad but I think you're town. fuck

On June 04 2017 05:33 Tumblewood wrote:
even thought I don't like walls of text, the feels are definitely good for fidei

On June 04 2017 05:37 Tumblewood wrote:
ritoky also has the Good Feels, or at least he sounds smart and I'll take that at this stage of the game

On June 04 2017 09:04 Tumblewood wrote:
specifically I mean grack is probably town. every game I see grack getting scumread by other townies but never really pushed, but he always comes through with the sort of analysis that's right on the money once or twice

On June 05 2017 02:04 Tumblewood wrote:

btdt tunnels in what I'd call a "blind" way. as in, he's blinded by his own conviction, and that is something that nearly always comes from town

On June 04 2017 09:55 Tumblewood wrote:
been reading through bh's meta. scratch what I said about him, he's town

On June 05 2017 05:58 Tumblewood wrote:
fortunately vivax is 95% town

On June 05 2017 07:47 Holyflare wrote:


so?

On June 05 2017 07:48 Holyflare wrote:


no he's absolutely not

unless you're mafia and know that he's town

On June 05 2017 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
i'll lynch bh

On June 05 2017 08:01 LightningStrike wrote:

Better me than a claimed blue I guess.

On June 05 2017 08:02 Holyflare wrote:
all right, yes, absolutely let's lynch LS he has faaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr too many posturing posts in this game and all his weird "dilemmas" are so far-fetched and obvious choices that it looks really bad

On June 05 2017 08:28 Holyflare wrote:
town play is atrocious

didn't want to respond to a simple post about what bh games he read to reach a read

people want to lynch him for it

town is playing atrocious

fuck my life

On June 05 2017 08:30 Holyflare wrote:
where is LS solving the game?

On June 05 2017 08:43 Onegu wrote:



Well played Vivax. Well played. You sir are a bundle of Joy.

On June 05 2017 08:44 Holyflare wrote:
I mean when I read PB and if I want to imagine a world that he's mafia I can see his posts going through the back and forth and reaching the "correct" conclusions out of the blue in his posts.

But I don't know if that's based on a foregone conclusion or if it is actually like that.

On June 06 2017 04:29 ritoky wrote:


bh waited until the dude was basically in the ground b4 playing games, he didn't endanger shit.

and wasted my vote? i came back with 3 minutes, barely grasped that a blue had been claimed and voted on the next up on my list. you act like my vote could have done anything. i don't see a quadruple voter role in this game.

On June 06 2017 04:42 Holyflare wrote:
I mean let's get down to the crux of it. I was right on Fidei and Grack was bad.

On June 05 2017 07:48 LightningStrike wrote:

He's confirmed town until someone cc's him. hint: No one did.

On June 06 2017 08:56 Holyflare wrote:


I did

Town Veteran
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town

On June 06 2017 10:37 Holyflare wrote:
How could they try to lynch you?

On June 06 2017 10:39 Holyflare wrote:
By the way, this is a game wide announcement. If you are a cop/vigi/doctor/any kind of blue then you should absolutely out to cc Tumblewood. Today is the only day that this is acceptable because any later then we are forced to assume it's a mafia plan.

On June 06 2017 11:01 Holyflare wrote:
Fake claiming rb isn't unheard of.