Newbie Student Mafia XXVI

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Fidei86

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May 17 2017 18:23 GMT

/in

Fidei86

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May 26 2017 16:45 GMT

#27

When it fills up, wd appreciate if you'd roll me non-vig PR k thx

Fidei86

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June 01 2017 22:41 GMT

#59

My body is ready

Fidei86

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June 02 2017 19:11 GMT

#62

So sad you and Dani aren't in this game. Was looking fit are to getting the town circle back Together

Fidei86

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June 02 2017 19:11 GMT

#63

*forward

Fidei86

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June 02 2017 19:13 GMT

#64

Shit another Lightning Strike game

Fidei86

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June 02 2017 20:22 GMT

#66

Lame

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 10:09 GMT

#100

Hi all! Long time no speak for a lot of you. I've played a bit of video Mafia since I've been away (which I'm horrible at, it turns out) but I'm excited to get back into forums.

I think TW's thinking makes sense if you assume he doesn't know TS's usual posting style (which I think is like almost comically formal); it wasn't immediately obvious to me that TS was joking either. But that said, I'm not sure that I buy TW's switch to town reading TS? TW doesn't recant on his thinking TS is dumb - but if TS is joking then obviously he doesn't believe it, and so isn't dumb?

I also don't like Vivax's read on TS. Asking about RNG lynches isn't driving the game forward either. I'd say TS is null and TW is scummy null; giving them both a town pass at this stage is waaay premature. But at the same time, I do really like Vivax pinging Grack. So overall TR.

The people I really don't like are Onegu, BH, Grack and LS. Everyone else can be forgiven for not being in the thread (HF is British I think, so he gets a pass as well) but each of those has been here and has studiously avoided saying anything meaningful. LS has, what, four or five posts, none saying anything even vaguely game related. I seem to recall LS has trouble getting started as Mafia... this would fit right into that.

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 10:10 GMT

#101

Oh, Prison Break too... so much lurking.

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 12:48 GMT

#106

Hi PB: it's not the lack of posts that I object to, it's that quite a few people thread entered, did nothing and then left. I get that the game started at a weird hour and some people haven't got here yet - that's fine (for now...). I hope you can see the difference? For example, LS *still* hasn't given his views on anything, and I don't think the filter he posted assists, as there his fourth post was contentful, and it came only an hour after his first.

In terms of catching Mafia, I always think back to something Foolishness wrote in his long advice post: if someone does something super scummy, they're scum, however they walk it back. Sometimes stepping back and appreciating the entire game is helpful, but you can risk getting overwhelmed with back and forths.

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 13:14 GMT

#107

PB- if you think TW is more townie, does that affect your TS read? And do you have any thoughts on LS' slow start?

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 13:23 GMT

#110

The post I'm referring to? My comment on finding scum was general; not sure we've had any one moment like that yet.

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 13:25 GMT

#111

On June 03 2017 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Hmm James trying to push me despite the fact I just posted a recent game where I did have a slow start. Can't tell he scum trying to push for a easy mislynch or someone who didn't even read that filter.

Your fourth post in that game, which was an hour after your first, was substantive. But I see your point, insofar as it doesn't make you mafia. And I'm not calling you Mafia, I'm saying thread lurking is scummy and the longer it goes on the scummier it gets.

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 13:36 GMT

#115

okay here's the thing I don't get: TW pointed out that TS's response to BH and the "rush" of posts was weird. I agree with TW insofar as that was the way I read it too, at first. But then TS said he was actually joking, which makes sense (and it fits in with TS' posting style insofar as I remember it from previous games). If it had ended there, fair enough. But then TW says "I still think what you said was weird, but you're towny" after TS had said it was a joke. That doesn't make sense to me. Like, TW landed pretty hard on TS for his initial read, and nothing changed other than TS claiming it wasn't serious, but TW's read flipped.

So that's why I think TW is on the scummy side of null (not because his posts were forced, as others were saying).

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 14:10 GMT

#117

On June 03 2017 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:

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of course I don't carry the same conviction after I realize he is joking. still think his comments on bh are hot garbage but I'm not going to continue being aggressive because I think he's town

LS I think you need to re-read the above ... I agree that the TR isn't explained, but the thing I don't get is how can TS's comments be "hot garbage" and a joke at the same time.

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 16:49 GMT

#128

I like BTDT's forensic approach to PB's posts. I think it can be difficult to read newer players from his approach, so I'm not sure he's right, but he gets townie points.

Yo HF- appreciate your thoughts on the rest of the game other than TW? Pretty sure the marker is already down for TW when he gets back..

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 17:02 GMT

#132

So far like half the thread has been essentially AFK :-/

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 17:35 GMT

#138

On June 04 2017 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
Mate they're cutting a cake with the master sword

Helpful also for running through uninvited guests

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 17:47 GMT

#144

HF I think that might be a bit of a reach. Going through the game again it's clear LS noticed TW-TS, but just completely whiffed on why it was actually interesting. It could be scum "saying what's happening", but then this is LS - he has a ... different style.

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 17:48 GMT

#145

(And if I haven't understood your point could you restate? Maybe after cake)

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 21:30 GMT

#176

@ritoky I talked myself around on this a bit. Literally every game I've played with LS he's been inactive, with bad meta reads and links to filters. And every time he has been town. BH makes a good point that you have to try and work out if something is scummy for the person in question, and for LS the stuff that HF pinged out is null. LS' OMGUS drive against HF actually makes me think LS might be town - by reason of the fact that I don't know if LS as Mafia starts pushing HF based purely on OMGUS, who I presume is one of the most experienced players in the game.

HF - his reads are thin and I think his LS read is wrong in particular. He has also kept pushing the TW read long after everyone else had sort of agreed and moved on. I think he probably is at a wedding tho, so his style makes sense in that context. I think it's a null-leaning slightly scummy read, but I definitely wouldn't lynch into him at the moment.

Apart from the actual AFKers, the two people I'm most on at the moment are TW and Conversation, but for different reasons. We've all pinged out his weird read progression on TS earlier, but then when he finally comes back he comes in and gives two lazy-ass reads on me and ritoky (and yes, I know D1 association reads are garbage, but if one of those flips red later the other could be with them). And Conversation thread enters, leaves for almost a day, then comes back in and posts a huge WoT which basically just says nothing about the game at all. It basically flashes "I'm here and I don't care about the game", which is scumtell 101. In a way it's almost too flagrant, but I'm definitely not willing to give the benefit of the doubt at this stage.

Fidei86

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June 03 2017 21:32 GMT

#177

Hey Grack- what are your reads so far?

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 10:58 GMT

#288

Conversion: my reasoning was simple. You thread entered, and then having not posted anything for half a day or so you came back with a long and clearly typed post (#159) (i.e. not just something you bashed out on a mobile) that didn't give any reads and just apologised. At the time I made the post I don't think you had made any game relevant posts. So that is why I said I wasn't going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Obviously there's been a lot of development since I went to bed, and I quite like the indignant but also slightly confused tone of your subsequent posts. Also #200 you say you're "glad Vivax and Grace read you as town". As a new player I'm onboard for that being a genuine dumbtell. TR.

BH is massively overplaying the Grack read. And in fact, BH hasn't done anything outside of his RNG/Grack read. I had the same reaction as Grack did to the onslaught ("wtf?"). Maybe BH is going for the old Chezinu play? But I don't see how that helps as town, particularly in a newbie game. Grack's reads are thin, and I don't like how he seems to soft TW at #249 without pushing it. So I end up where I think they are scummy. Doubt they're scum together, although the amount of shitting up the thread they've achieved could easily part of a plan.

Vivax is pretty town - his post at #181 hit some people multiple times, which is indicative of someone not trying to build a narrative.

I like ritoky's interactions with Conversion - trying to push Conversion to carry on and give reads. (This is something else I liked about Vivax re 187, where he prods BTDT after earlier null reading/asking for more info).

TW continues to be underwhelming. His BH read is garbage, and he now has Tube and Grack as his top towns? Over Vivax? I also think his general tone in the thread has been unhelpful (see #270, #272).

So right now I'm at:

Town:
Vivax
Ritoky

Lean Town:
Conversion
LS (ehhhhhhhhhhhh)
BTDT

Null:

Onegu: one massive WOT isn't enough to get you off, and you're tunnelled on me per usual, but nothing in your reads gave any red lights
PB
Tube

Scummy;
BH
Grack
HF
TW

Right now I'm leaning towards TW, and I would rather lynch BH/Grack over HF.

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 11:18 GMT

#289

Hmm, seems unlikely TW and HF are teamed. But I'm going to stick with TW I think. Probably clears HF if he flips red.

vote: ##Tumblewood

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 11:57 GMT

#295

@HF Clearly you're pushing in the same way as me on some people, but that in and of itself doesn't clear you. I'm still relying on the LS interaction a fair bit, but I admit I read your later stuff with a less critical eye because it didn't seem very weighty. Let me look over your filter again.

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 12:19 GMT

#297

I didn't say I hadn't read it, I said I put less weight on it.

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 12:23 GMT

#298

Eh, you're right on LS. I'd forgotten you hadn't pushed that as far as I'd thought.

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 12:34 GMT

#299

Since we're the only ones here, HF, what do you think of the rest of my list? Am I / was I wrong on anyone else?

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 12:55 GMT

#301

Grack, since you're here, are you going to elaborate on your list from last night?

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 13:00 GMT

#302

(Also I don't buy the LS association with HF at all, that's a bridge too far, even for my apparently conspiracy riddled brain. Like, in what world does Mafia LS go so hard on HF so early? I doubt he has it in him.)

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 13:09 GMT

#304

You're triggering me

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 13:31 GMT

#306

But isn't there a pretty good argument that it was weird that PB took BH's RNG nonsense so seriously? It jarred with me too. It's pretty thin gruel for a scum read. And the rest of your case is pretty garbage - where do you actually come out on your read?

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 13:38 GMT

#308

?? Objectively BH's RNG thing is garbage and presumably he does it now to preserve his meta (?). If your point is that PB is a newbie and may not have already seen this before then I guess I could see your point, but (a) that's not what you've been saying and (2) I don't have a sense of whether BTDT could have known that. So it hardly is a good lynchpin for a case... and if you're now walking it back, where does that leave you in terms of your scum team?

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 13:45 GMT

#310

But you're still on BH with your vote?

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 13:51 GMT

#312

*deep breath*

Care to explain why?

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 17:21 GMT

#365

LS can you give your top three scum? and top three town?

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 19:15 GMT

#401

@HF I'm not sure BH is a coin-flip. Refusing utterly to engage in the game in a meaningful way - and indeed shitting up the thread with pointless nonsense - that is the most ANTI-TOWN behaviour you can have. Not caring about solving the game is basically the definition of anti-town. It's not even like BH has been mostly afk (like Onegu) he's actively done it.

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 19:18 GMT

#404

Really? wtf

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 19:36 GMT

#428

On June 05 2017 04:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
It's super weird that Fidei

1. likes my "forensic approach" (which everyone else called BAD BAD BAD)
2. townleans me
3. doesn't say a single word to defend me at any point in his filter

(

I mean, since that you've essentially just pushed Conversion and then been extremely whiny. I'm still town-leaning you, but all my reads are sort of crossing over each other, which is making this game very confusing. But if you want someone else to defend you maybe you should start by defending yourself...

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 19:45 GMT

#437

I've read this Vivax/HF thing like three times, and I'm still not following it. Can someone offer me a summary, while I re-read?

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 19:49 GMT

#440

On June 05 2017 04:01 Vivax wrote:
I don't understand how anyone can take BHs push on Grack seriously, it was obviously just a stand up comedy, although the argument itself is correct (that Grack actually wasn't oblivious to how BH calculates his RNG).

I'm currently inclined to flip my reads on Grack (to town) and HF (to scum)

Vivax talk me through this?

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 21:05 GMT

#526

@LS what would a sleeping scum team look like? Like this HF/Vivax fight has gone for nearly five pages or so, and meanwhile the other half of town isn't here and three people haven't even voted. Ritoky is right - no way we lynch either of you today and take a sleeping town forward. And town really need to consolidate, because our votes are spread out AF. I'll be around in like 45 minutes and then I'll have some time to look through filters.

Fidei86

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June 04 2017 22:26 GMT

#612

Alright guys, I'm going to head to bed (it's 11:20pm here and I have work in the morning). I'm pretty happy with my vote on TW. I had a quick flick through his filter and there's been nothing that really changed my mind.

Fidei86

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June 05 2017 06:09 GMT

#892