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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 15:49 Grackaroni wrote: For posterity. Unless he's scum. Then I'll just bury this and blame it on Blazinghand. If he's scum I'm gonna trumpet RNG for eva | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 15:55 Holyflare wrote: I can't believe you rescinded so easily really. That's bad. Go sit in your grumpy hovel. TBH it was kinda hilarious how quickly he folded to your non-specific claim. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Ok but i'm gonna be a LOT more annoying about it if Vivax is actually scum; you gotta admit this at least | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 15:59 Grackaroni wrote: Lol remember we lost a game once because we didn't follow an RNG on Disfo. um, no? | ||
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand's RNGs In thug lyfe (2013): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/429897-thug-life-mini-mafia Koshi and I semi jointly RNGed WaveofShadow in the first use of modulo on post count as far as I know TL Mafia LXIII (2013): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/434275-tl-mafia-lxiii-time-to-die?page=61#1202 I RNGed vayneauthority Golden Sun The Lost Age Mafia (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=16#306 I RNGed OdinofPergo Noir Mini (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/461330-noir-mini-mafia-chapter-2?page=5#87 I RNGed iamrobik Fantasy Football (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=10#197 I RNGed ObviousOne Hearthstone (2014): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469686-hearthstone-mafia?page=29#578 I RNGed GlowingBear VII Titanic Mini (2015): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=14#265 I RNGed vayneauthority, hilariously this guy has been hit twice by RNG Kinda Vanilla Mini (2015): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?page=10#199 I RNGed raynpelikoneet | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 16:19 Holyflare wrote: ????? AND THEN YOU RESCINDED AND CALLED ME TOWN FOR CLAIMING BLUE LOL LOL LOL This is also my interpretations of what Vivax did. He drew out the Holyflare claim then rescinded. It fits a couple possible motives: 1. Vivax is scum and figured, "ah, now scum knows the identity of two blues, maybe i should try to focus on staying alive now, since Holyflare as a blue is untouchable and i've learned all I can" or maybe just panicked since he knew his own claim was fake 2. Vivax is town and was fakeclaiming cop because he was okay making a trash move like that. Then, he realized the depth of his error when Holyflare claimed blue and doesn't want to mislynch or die, so he backed off. Maybe he is the cop but is fakeclaiming a red check on Holyflare and realized his mistake, and doesn't want HF to die after he flips 3. There is no world in which Vivax is the cop with a red check on Holyflare. All this of course is only talking about Vivax's motives in the time between Holyflare claiming and unclaiming By the way, Vivax, in the unlikely event you are town, I want you to know that this was some pretty fucked up play man. That being said, I have respect for you so you must be doing this as scum. Town Vivax wouldn't do this, unless he is a trash player, which he isn't. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 16:22 Vivax wrote: That was the only condition under which I would rescind yes. Since now you admitted to not being blue, I can safely conclude that TW is the only blue in this game. No more fakeclaimerinos for you this game. And the dramatic capslock doesn't suit you. So to be clear, at this very moment, you admit you fakeclaimed cop and a red check on Holyflare? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 16:26 Blazinghand wrote: So to be clear, at this very moment, you admit you fakeclaimed cop and a red check on Holyflare? Like this is exactly what you admitted earlier when you rescinded. But are you still holding this position now? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 16:32 Vivax wrote: Legacy is lynch HF and BH, contrary to the rest of this game I don't forget what I said during the game to yolo lynch something else entirely. ok but this won us a lynch d1 | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 16:36 Vivax wrote: Well when either of you flips mafia that's going to put things into perspective. Right now you are able to smack talk. lol well guess what in about 18 hours you're not gonna be able to talk at all Vivax so chatter away boyo Like your play as scum this game was decent, but not amazing. you still got caught D2. And if you think you flipping scum means we will give Holyflare a pass, guess again. I'll be watching him like a hawk. I know this kinda stuff isn't beyond you two. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 16:37 Vivax wrote: And for those who don't know, HF did the same play as town at LYLO or something and lost the game right there so try to think about that when you revisit his attitude today. so HF did this as town at LYLO... therefore... he's .... scum? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 16:50 Grackaroni wrote: If you weren't killing Vivax who would you kill? I know you probably haven't been looking at filters recently with the claim thing happening. If I weren't voting Vivax or HF, it would be because I think Vivax fakeclaimed as a townie a red check on HF who is also townie. The people to look for would be people who KNEW this was the case and were setting themselves up to look good and guarantee mislynches knowing that this is town-on-town. In the situation of "Vivax is town and fakeclaiming a redcheck on town", Mafia know EXACTLY what is happening; they know the claim is fake after all since they are the Mafia. This means they have some idea of how things might play out. So, they know that either HF or Vivax likely gets lynched, unless Vivax backs down. If Vivax is a VT, it's preferable to lynch HF first (since if Vivax flips VT, there's no followup lynch on HF; if HF flips VT, there IS a follow-up lynch on Vivax) so scum gets 2 mislynches, not one. So, what Scum wants to do is get HF lynched in the event that Vivax and HF are both town. On top of that, scum know Vivax is faking, so they think he might back down. In the event he does, they want to still secure a mislynch. So, they make statements like this: "if Vivax rescinds, he is 100% scum and we kill him for sure, no questioning it" so that if Vivax unforces the dichotomy, scum still gets a mislynch. Now, Vivax was highly suspicious and got a lot of votes on him, so Scum probably couldn't safely vote Hf. So, if I think vivax and HF are both town hypothetically here, Grack, the most suspicious people are people who: A) initially voted HF or were reluctant to vote Vivax B) said they would 100% vote Vivax if he rescinded | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 17:11 Blazinghand wrote: So, if I think vivax and HF are both town hypothetically here, Grack, the most suspicious people are people who: A) initially voted HF or were reluctant to vote Vivax B) said they would 100% vote Vivax if he rescinded By the way, this describes TO THE DOT what tubesock has been doing today: On June 06 2017 16:08 Tubesock wrote: basically, we lynch HF unless Vivax rescinds then lynch Vivax. HF flips mafia we celebrate or lynch Vivax after. If we decide to lynch Vivax first, and he is cop then we just gave mafia a free nightkill. So, basically now we can just talk about who is the last mafia. Note that he wants to lynch HF, but never VOTES HF. due tot he pressure. He wants to kill both HF AND Vivax though. He also wants to lynch Vivax first if and only if Vivax recants. I'm not saying Tubesock is scum, but in my opinion if you think both Vivax and HF are town, Tubesock should be your #1 scumread. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 17:15 Blazinghand wrote: By the way, this describes TO THE DOT what tubesock has been doing today: Note that he wants to lynch HF, but never VOTES HF. due tot he pressure. He wants to kill both HF AND Vivax though. He also wants to lynch Vivax first if and only if Vivax recants. I'm not saying Tubesock is scum, but in my opinion if you think both Vivax and HF are town, Tubesock should be your #1 scumread. Oh god I'm so good at this game, at remembering things and analyzing things, I forgot how great this feels, it's so good, damn. even this hypothetical stuff feels great, I love stretching my mental legs | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 17:15 Vivax wrote: So in your opinion, TS is the dumbest mafia on earth. OK bh Look, I actually still think you're scum so this isn't a problem. But think about it this way. The analysis I just made? Nobody was thinking about it until I made it. At the time Tube was pushing his shit nobody cared about that (except me who called it out as bullshit). But in the event you and HF are both town, and yes, I'm aware you think this is impossible or something, but in that event: scum want HF to go down first. This is obvious. If he flips town (and I know, you think this is unlikely) you're DEFINITELY flipping next. That's two mislynches for scum in this hypothetical. At the same time, it's hard to push this because you're scummy and Hf is townie. And you might recant, remember, all day Mafia has known your claim is fake in this hypothetical because they know Hf returns green to checks. So, they wanna be prepped for that angle to. Tubesock's posts sounds perfectly reasonable and nobody would question it and it would cause 1, maybe 2 mislynches in that hypothetical where both you and HF are town. If you don't agree, you're just wrong. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 17:16 Holyflare wrote: Why is it dumb? I think sometimes ppl can't help with their tmi. yep, not dumb On June 07 2017 17:19 Holyflare wrote: Nobody was thinking about it? Well, not as well as I do at least >:D On June 07 2017 17:20 Grackaroni wrote: I think your analysis about Tubesock is fine actually. I just found that quote funny. I'm inclined to believe that scum would want to lynch afk Vivax rather than go against sentiment to try to kill active HF. yeah that's why tubesock never actually voted | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 17:22 Vivax wrote: ITT: Scum Vivax escaping another lynch after doing dumb shit. I have already poisoned your minds I aint unvoting you boy | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 03:35 beentheredonethat wrote: If there's no obvious answer, how are you actively pushing people into "lynch Vivax" instead of making them come to their own conclusions? I get that HF is doing that, he has no other way than doing that, but isn't it SUPER DUPER FISHY that there's absolutely NOONE coming in and saying (besides poor btdt who has probably the worst standing in this thread right after the claimed cop right now) "hey guys thefuck is going on" On June 07 2017 03:36 beentheredonethat wrote: mumble mumble yeah makes sense but I don't want to admit that this makes sense lynching the fucking uncc'ed cop is plain bullshit Bloodthirsty for Vivax if he rescinds: On June 07 2017 03:38 beentheredonethat wrote: If Vivax rescinds his claim he's the lynch, no questions asked. At least from my side. Even if that's coming from town, it's super bad, stole a day, and potentially lost the game and should be punished. Same pattern as Tubesock. | ||
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Blazinghand
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A) initially voted HF or were reluctant to vote Vivax B) said they would 100% vote Vivax if he rescinded[/quote] These players are Tubesock and BTDT. In the event that both you and Vivax are town, these are definitely the top two scum candidates. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On June 07 2017 17:28 Holyflare wrote: Now, BH, remember your cop and GF argument with BTDT? He argues there has to be a cop because why fake claim and also there's a GF. Mafia btdt thinks there's a cop and tries to get us to lynch me, so that I'll flip green and the cop dies after. He's thinking vivax might fake his check and get us both lynched. If Vivax is town. Looking like a plausible scenario tbh. Btdt is super off point this game. Ugh, so the issue here is that it all hinges on Vivax being town. Vivax, if he's town, is playing SO BADLY. If he's town, we're winning this game in SPITE of him, not because of his contributions (post-D1). I really can't understand his play as town unless it's purely emotion-driven and not at all driven at trying to find the truth. People are SOMETIMES like this as town but... to the point of FAKECLAIMING as COP? the issue here at its core is "is Vivax town" because if he's scum we just take him out as we're doing but... jeez man. | ||
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