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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:38 beentheredonethat wrote: erm no wait http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523517-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi-voting-thread?user=Blazinghand No. at no point was his vote on fidei He asked if he was needed pretty early and then when people said no just voted elsewhere. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:38 beentheredonethat wrote: erm no wait http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/523517-newbie-student-mafia-xxvi-voting-thread?user=Blazinghand No. at no point was his vote on fidei oh? am i misremembering then? i coulda sworn he was. | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:40 Holyflare wrote: He asked if he was needed pretty early and then when people said no just voted elsewhere. But there's no vote. There's no pressure if there's no vote. It's like "I promise to do things". I think since BH didn't actually vote, he shouldn't gain town cred. I think we should at least re-read Blazinghand's end of day and check very thoroughly if there was honest and real commitment to the Fidei lynch. The fact that his vote wasn't on Fidei makes me feel very uncomfortable. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:37 beentheredonethat wrote: We should all lynch Prison Break. If people stick to the Vivax lynch, meh. especially HF, like, if he thinks Vivax is town (and he said he feels so) then he should absolutely be brave enough to not lynch the guy. We have a super clear scum wagon where we can deduce enough people to put on our town pile. The problem isn't that I don't think your case on PB is good, the problem is that no one has said anything to convince me how vivax's play comes from a town pov. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:42 ritoky wrote: The problem isn't that I don't think your case on PB is good, the problem is that no one has said anything to convince me how vivax's play comes from a town pov. There isn't a real argument for Vivax being town besides what he did is objectively bad for scum. Of course that play is objectively even worse as town, and since we all don't want to say "Vivax, you're bad and you suck", we all want to see him flip red. The main thing why I think he is green is that I got nominated for 2017 worst play when I fakeclaimed as town to get not only the real doc but also myself lynched. So I can easily see a frustrated own player do that. I might very well be wrong. It's a gut feeling. Logic says "lynch Vivax" as there is no evidence on him being town and there are also legitimate points from D2 that he might just be frustrated over the seemingly random GF lynch in fidei. Holy shit I doubt my town read again >.< Obs qt must be having the time of its life | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:35 beentheredonethat wrote: Also wait - BH was all day like "look I hammered scum I'm so great" BH actually did not hammer scum, I thought all game he was part of the fidei train but he wasn't :O Oh uh, sorry. I was like, joking or only quasi-serious. Basically, I noticed the Fidei wagon was unstoppable so I voted Vivax yesterday, but I was around. Then I said "consider me an honorary wagon member" and just sorta riffed off that. I didn't actually vote the guy lol | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:43 Holyflare wrote: No you absolutely lynch vivax today. Of course you're allowed to case people to lynch next cycle but today it's vivax. I just tried to look at this game from a perspective of someone not playing, not being invested, not being me. That perspective says pretty clearly "lynch Vivax"  | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:37 ritoky wrote: he effectively was, he just hopped off at the last minute to do some funsie shit. Whoa, don't imply I was ever helpful, my vote was never on fidei | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:40 Holyflare wrote: He asked if he was needed pretty early and then when people said no just voted elsewhere. Yes, and I stuck around in case I was needed, but to be clear: I never actually voted fidei. I am only an honorary member of the wagon. Like having an honorary college degree, it doesn't actually mean I did any work. | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
Also to be perfectly honest here - if we don't lynch Vivax (or, technically, HF) anytime soon then this whole day is a waste. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:42 beentheredonethat wrote: But there's no vote. There's no pressure if there's no vote. It's like "I promise to do things". I think since BH didn't actually vote, he shouldn't gain town cred. I think we should at least re-read Blazinghand's end of day and check very thoroughly if there was honest and real commitment to the Fidei lynch. The fact that his vote wasn't on Fidei makes me feel very uncomfortable. I didn't commit to shit, I just said I'd swap if needed, decided I wasn't needed, voted vivax, and loled my way to the bank | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:48 beentheredonethat wrote: Well I don't think I'll avert the Vivax wagon at this point. And I don't know if I even want to try to do so in a serious way since Vivax disappeared yet again, which contradicts his efforts earlier. When he continued playing after rescinding, I thought he's trying to reason. Also to be perfectly honest here - if we don't lynch Vivax (or, technically, HF) anytime soon then this whole day is a waste. I mean, if we lynch scum the day was like, by definition not a waste tho | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:48 Blazinghand wrote: I didn't commit to shit, I just said I'd swap if needed, decided I wasn't needed, voted vivax, and loled my way to the bank Well at least I gave you a lot of town cred because I was super certain you pushed Fidei. That's what I get for not reading properly. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:49 beentheredonethat wrote: Well at least I gave you a lot of town cred because I was super certain you pushed Fidei. That's what I get for not reading properly. Yep, clearly you're to blame here. | ||
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beentheredonethat
2934 Posts
Okay. Let's drop this. Am I correct in thinking that you think HF is town? And I also assume HF thinks BH's town? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:51 beentheredonethat wrote: Okay. Let's drop this. Am I correct in thinking that you think HF is town? And I also assume HF thinks BH's town? I think HF could well be scum. I do not extend a townread or a scumread to him. I am aware that it is inherently scummy of me not to have a strong position on HF, but basically it boils down to this: I think he has played well and actively and genially, and how I'd like town HF to play. I also think he's a slippery fucker who could do this as scum, regardless as to Vivax' alignment. He seems to think I'm town, which makes me even more suspicious of him, even though he's rate and has good reason. Yes, I'm paranoid. Yes, it's scummy of me not to give a solid read on HF. but this is what I think. | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:47 Blazinghand wrote: Whoa, don't imply I was ever helpful, my vote was never on fidei then i too also misinterpreted it. lol | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:52 Blazinghand wrote: I think HF could well be scum. I do not extend a townread or a scumread to him. I am aware that it is inherently scummy of me not to have a strong position on HF, but basically it boils down to this: I think he has played well and actively and genially, and how I'd like town HF to play. I also think he's a slippery fucker who could do this as scum, regardless as to Vivax' alignment. He seems to think I'm town, which makes me even more suspicious of him, even though he's rate and has good reason. Yes, I'm paranoid. Yes, it's scummy of me not to give a solid read on HF. but this is what I think. Actually, this kind of non-committment is so obviously "scummy" that my willingness to say this and put myself out there in order to tell the truth is a town-tell imo | ||
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ritoky
United States6851 Posts
On June 08 2017 05:56 Blazinghand wrote: Actually, this kind of non-committment is so obviously "scummy" that my willingness to say this and put myself out there in order to tell the truth is a town-tell imo But then the self-analysis of how townie you are because of your apparent town-tell is a scum-tell! O NO | ||
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