Newbie Student Mafia XXVI - Page 6

On June 03 2017 10:41 Tumblewood wrote:
I still maintain that most of your opinions are bad but I think you're town. fuck

On June 03 2017 19:09 Fidei86 wrote:
Hi all! Long time no speak for a lot of you. I've played a bit of video Mafia since I've been away (which I'm horrible at, it turns out) but I'm excited to get back into forums.

I think TW's thinking makes sense if you assume he doesn't know TS's usual posting style (which I think is like almost comically formal); it wasn't immediately obvious to me that TS was joking either. But that said, I'm not sure that I buy TW's switch to town reading TS? TW doesn't recant on his thinking TS is dumb - but if TS is joking then obviously he doesn't believe it, and so isn't dumb?

I also don't like Vivax's read on TS. Asking about RNG lynches isn't driving the game forward either. I'd say TS is null and TW is scummy null; giving them both a town pass at this stage is waaay premature. But at the same time, I do really like Vivax pinging Grack. So overall TR.

The people I really don't like are Onegu, BH, Grack and LS. Everyone else can be forgiven for not being in the thread (HF is British I think, so he gets a pass as well) but each of those has been here and has studiously avoided saying anything meaningful. LS has, what, four or five posts, none saying anything even vaguely game related. I seem to recall LS has trouble getting started as Mafia... this would fit right into that.

On June 03 2017 22:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Hmm James trying to push me despite the fact I just posted a recent game where I did have a slow start. Can't tell he scum trying to push for a easy mislynch or someone who didn't even read that filter.

On June 03 2017 22:25 Fidei86 wrote:

Your fourth post in that game, which was an hour after your first, was substantive. But I see your point, insofar as it doesn't make you mafia. And I'm not calling you Mafia, I'm saying thread lurking is scummy and the longer it goes on the scummier it gets.

On June 03 2017 22:36 Fidei86 wrote:
okay here's the thing I don't get: TW pointed out that TS's response to BH and the "rush" of posts was weird. I agree with TW insofar as that was the way I read it too, at first. But then TS said he was actually joking, which makes sense (and it fits in with TS' posting style insofar as I remember it from previous games). If it had ended there, fair enough. But then TW says "I still think what you said was weird, but you're towny" after TS had said it was a joke. That doesn't make sense to me. Like, TW landed pretty hard on TS for his initial read, and nothing changed other than TS claiming it wasn't serious, but TW's read flipped.

So that's why I think TW is on the scummy side of null (not because his posts were forced, as others were saying).

On June 03 2017 13:39 Tumblewood wrote:

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of course I don't carry the same conviction after I realize he is joking. still think his comments on bh are hot garbage but I'm not going to continue being aggressive because I think he's town

On June 03 2017 10:42 Prison Break wrote:
RNG votes are cool, an RNG lynch seems horrible, doesn't give any information and turns the game into auto + there's no way to actually check if it's random and you don't know if the person determining the "random" factor is town or scum either

On June 03 2017 16:15 Vivax wrote:
Early reads:

Tube town for pushing game forward and being proactive.
TW town for lashing out at something he didn't like and avoiding his scum play lazy buddying. It looked overly emotional to me but he claims it wasn't.

Grack scum for being lazy, passive and kind of just reacting to things around him without attempting to reach a satisfactory conclusion or looking like he wanted to. Neither shitpost-y grack nor tryhard-y grack. Just bore-y grack.

Rest null.

On June 03 2017 21:31 Conversion wrote:
Hi all!

I'm here-- generally a hectic weekend personally so apologies that I was late!

On June 03 2017 21:32 Prison Break wrote:
Fidei86 calls too many people out for lurking extremely early game, unless if he's just trying to move the game forward in which case it's not a scumtell

Tumblewoods initial response seemed forced, but the way he got to a townread after it is something I see town do when they realize a push is bad, or scum when they fear people will be onto them. But if tumblewood was scum wouldn't he realize his push was thin to say the least? Like I don't see how he has scum would make such a push just to retract it after, I don't think there was enough pressure on him to already back off from it. Based on this I conclude his change of mind was genuine not calculated, so leaning town on tumblewood despite me not liking his post initially. At least he's also trying to move the game forward which is worth something.

going to throw this out here cause I may be able to get something out of it, and it may help me make reads on people as well: what are some ways to go about catching scum, especially early game? I don't expect/want people to make an entire list because mafia will adapt, but I think a few examples or short answers will help the game move forward. I'll start off, in my experience who I think are "extremely scummy" often end up being town, and the extremely active/inactives as well (although this one isn't a golden rule), and often the people I nullread end up being scum. I think this is because scum wants to blend in and doesn't try to play as townie or as scummy as possible but somewhere in the safe middle. I think last game that would be true for myself as well.