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I don't know if I should lynch TW with a blue claim, and for some reason BH is being fought over and makes me doubt if I'll really get anything out of a D1 lynch who made almost no informative posts and people fighting over his meta, which I have no idea about PB still isn't here 24 mins before the deadline, so there's my vote. I'm boarding a flight now so I won't be available until after night. | ||
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I think Tubesock/Onegu/Ritoky are town in my reads. It might change as the game progresses, but Tubesock’s been pretty spot on (little weird I think before deadline) after my initial read on him being scum, and Onegu lead us into lynching Fidei, who flipped scum, and ritoky for generally pushing people to post and giving his reads after the lynch on who might be mafia. I’m still keeping my opinions on HF, Grack, LS, and BH neutral. BH because I still get weird feelings from his play on D1 even though I didn’t vote to lynch him. HF made.. a LOT of posts, but most of it has been back and forth with Vivax and then a weird stream of consciousness posting before deadline/at night. I really want to see how he plays D2. Grack and LS I can’t really read correctly. LS’s posts seem weird and spread out. I don’t feel like I really gained much from his posts information wise, but I don’t particularly find his play suspicious. I flat out don’t get how to read Grack’s posts. He seems to pressure people sometimes, but then cracks a joke or makes a blanket statement and leaves it at that. PrisonBreak: I really, really dislike his play. IDK if that’s because he’s just busy, he’s not caring as much about this game, or he’s scum trying to fly under the radar. I’m seeing a lot of disingenuous posts from him (saying he will post his reads later, still hasn’t done so) and then blames his inactivity based on something “not happening” when he checks the thread. Before the deadline he makes two posts on the vote count, doesn’t do anything to dissuade votes off of him, and doesn’t make any informative posts (Onegu/Tubesock is town—Onegu lead the “shenanigan” lynch whatever that is, Tumblewood is town). Questions Grack, makes some prods at BTDT and leaves. His play looks really sloppy from what he did in Generic II, but honestly there were some easy questions I made to you that you could have answered way before deadline was approaching. I asked you to post reads and asked you why you still think BTDT is scum, and he just disappeared and posted whatever he did before deadline. Really suspicious to me. Vivax: Vivax’s play and vote is really weird? He complains about me and someone else voting off BH and into HF and PB. On June 05 2017 08:40 Vivax wrote: Chance to lynch BH, two guys avoid him for shit reasons and go to HF and another goes for PB instead. Basically townies splitting all over my scumreads while tubesock is blatantly throwing his votes into the worst places possible. Kill me please. Which is funny because he’s been the one pushing for HF’s lynch hardcore this entire thread. HF still comments (although it might be jokingly) about killing off Vivax, but Vivax votes PB with me and then disappears, saying he’s going to AFK and only vote BH/HF. I’m not sure what the good or correct play is during night, so this might just be something I’m not understanding from a meta PoV on playing Mafia. | ||
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HF? any reply to his claim? defense? why are you suddenly so quiet you were pretty active night time | ||
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Also what's the play on TW? Honestly the way I see the play here is not a lynch between rito or grackoni, it's figuring out if mafia is banking on TW's claim looking false by avoiding his NK and figuring out Vivax's claim. My newbie brain can't figure out why you think arguing with each other is more pressing right now and it's frustrating to me | ||
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I'm keeping my vote on Vivax until something else happens I agree with people that the play is probably lynch Vivax -> watch flip -> go from there. If he's actually going to do something besides AFK I can change my vote, but I have my doubts | ||
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Also I'm not sticking up for BTDT. His play and tunnel on me was not ligcal, like literally his argument was that I was scum for lying about being on my phone and using correct grammar and punctuation. I just don't think it's a smart play to tunnel on me so hard and he was getting annoying so I left him alone. Like if he was scum and somehow got my lynch through D1 and I flip town, what does that get him? Also regardless of what your conclusions were, I said you looked suspicious because you quite literally disappeared for almost an entire day and started panicking before deadline. I never pegged you as scum because I left three options open: you're either scum flying under the radar, you're inactive and don't care, or you're busy. also "outright townreads Fidei" is completely wrong if you're going to post something like that, quote me on my latest and only read on Fidei: Fidei might be scum, but I'm not sure. I find it really suspicious he's not giving me a benefit of the doubt and looking to push me as scum with one post on my end. Not saying I deserve a free town pass because I suck and I'm a newbie, but my experience in 2012 showed me that most experienced players ignored me as just that: a newbie until it became important for me to step up and contribute. How is that an outright read as him being town? Anyways, I don't care if you were suspicious or not day1/night1. I'm still keeping my lynch on Vivax because his play is super bad and if he's fakeclaiming cop and AFKing and forcing an ultimatum between him and HF, I will lynch him over HF. HF, in my opinion, dicked around a little too much with Vivax on D1, but he didn't rage off the game because something didn't go his way. That's way better than what Vivax is doing, which is claiming and AFKing | ||
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Like does that sort of play actually happen around here? Again, not playing the newbie card, but a lot of what I read on Mafia here and elsewhere is that you don't want to harm town's environment in encouraging posts and generating content and reading people, even if we're wrong, and I just feel like what Vivax is doing cop, mafia, or town is doing exactly that: harming the town's ability to discuss and talk through our next steps because we're stuck on his Vivax vs. HF thing Also let's say Vivax is cop and he flips cop after the lynch. How does HF get out of that hole? We're at 7 town, 2 Mafia and let's say that either Vivax or HF are scum. I see these scenarios: Vivax is cop, HF is scum: Vivax gets lynched, flips cop. Someone gets NK'd, HF gets lynched immediately the next day and now we are at 5 town, 1 Mafia Vivax is scum, HF is town: Vivax gets lynched, flips scum. NK happens, and now we're at 5 town 1 scum, yet again. IDK maybe I suck at this game but if I was HF and I was scum, I'd honestly get people off Vivax's case. I don't know about the others here, but I'd push HF really hard if Vivax actually flips cop, and I don't think HF wants to be in situation where he is undeniably a red. The worst case scenario is Vivax isn't cop at all and is just regular town, in which case we wasted our entire day2 and our lynch on someone who is actively sabotaging town by fake claiming cop, and I have no idea how to proceed in that case. We'll be at 5 town vs 2 scum with an entire day lost of information. I doubt this scenario will happen, but I don't actually know because Vivax isn't posting. All things considered, Vivax is making the worse play here by claiming and AFKing. I guess another case here is Vivax and HF are scum, as if we lynch Vivax and he flips red. Not sure if that makes HF an untouchable townie, but the play can be Vivax outs himself to clear HF's name. | ||
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@BTDT Could you actually make a read on me/PB/ritoky? I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on us 3 tbh and I'm interested in being evaluated for my play so far, which hasn't been stellar because this whole claiming play just made the game unfun for me so I took a longer break. Also where is PB? He promised to be more active and has posted nothing so far. Can I get a list of your reads so far? I'll post mine soon after this post. | ||
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On June 07 2017 22:53 beentheredonethat wrote: My filter has reads on ritoky and PB and I think even on you :O I meant in your thought experiment  Also your point on me was "where am I" and here I am! Honestly I was F5'ing the thread pretty hard since my last post but nothing was happening so I went away from the thread and am catching up now.Also realized I didn't really make a lot of posts, so I guess that fits the "mafia letting town destroy themselves" so I'll try to be more active before deadline today, although from what I'm reading from the filter I still don't like Vivax's play... not sure if it's enough to autolynch him anymore but we'll see | ||
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On June 07 2017 22:59 beentheredonethat wrote: Oh in my thought experiment To be honest I'd lynch you and PB over ritoky right now Is that because we've been flying under the radar, or is that specifically derived from our filter? | ||
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Hi, do you want to actually make comments instead of linking GIFs? Unlike you I'm actually trying to learn how to play games in different situations and you aren't helping. Did you think that was a slip? I'm literally quoting what someone else said Was that a bad thing to mention as town because it makes me look suspicious? | ||
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I don't want to lynch either BH/HF because they're the ones (besides taking the occasional jab at Vivax or BTDT) still pushing for others generating content. They seem pretty town to me, but I'm hesitant to give anyone an outright 100% town read with the way this game is going. Grack/ritoky seem town to me. This is just based on a feeling from reading their filters. I am confused about Tubesock, but he seems generally town? His play is super spread out and weird, so not sure how to read him exactly. I still don't understand this fake claim play by Vivax, and I understand him rescinding due to HF's vague blue claim even less. I still think he's scum or made an incredibly bad town play because half the people basically AFKed and put their vote on him and didn't bother coming back to the game. I know I got bored like 15 hours ago because nothing was happening. I don't think BTDT is scum, but he might look bad if Vivax is scum. I think his play D1 wasn't enough to warrant him being scum, and his D2 play just seems like town tunneled in not lynching an uncc'd Vivax. LS/PB/TW have not contributed much. TW just said he's gonna AFK, post filter reads between HF/Vivax later, and left. Suspicious behavior, but understandable with most of our discussions centering around HF and Vivax. PB put some small thoughts into the matter and disappeared. I think we know the play from here on out depending on what Vivax flips, so I think it's sort of weird he just disappears without giving more insight or trying to pin other scum (he seems like a much better player than I am tbh) LS just flat out disappears after HF fake claims veteran. I guess he just posted now, so there he is. If we lynch Vivax and he flips scum: BTDT has a lot of suspicion on him with the flip. I don't think BTDT will end up being the last scum because the play of defending Vivax seems too risky if you're the last red after Vivax's lynch, so maybe he's trying to convince people to get Vivax off the lynch today? If Vivax flipped red I'd also take a much harder look at HF as well (I think I mentioned this possible scenario last post, and someone else mentioned that it wouldn't be too crazy if HF+Vivax scum team existed) because people seem to be praising him, so he much be a good enough player to try and win from that position. I mean I'm beginning to think that Vivax being town is increasing in probability (I still think he's scum for his play overwhelmingly) and is making me doubt my play even a little bit, because lynching a townie that gives absolutely no information is something I'd want to avoid if possible and we still have about 20+ hours left in the day.. | ||
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I'm not scum with PB, and I'm not scum. if you really think I would risk a last minute wagon on PB by leaving my vote on him, ya sure then I'm scum. What benefit does it get me or him? Why would I trail a scum team between me/fidei/PB by leaving a vote on him and not on someone else? People have been taking note of and reading my contributions, or lack thereof, to the topic. I might as well have kept my mouth shut all of N1/D2 and that would make myself look less scummy also if inactivity = scum you have like 5 scum this game, because D2 was basically BH/HF talking, you defending Vivax, and Vivax trying to make a defense for his play that didn't work out. Rest of it was like sub 5 posts for anyone else involved except Grack maybe. It was super scummy, my 2nd worst case scenario happened, and most likely BH/HF are going to get NK'd and we're going into D3 with almost no information and 2 mafia alive. | ||
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On June 08 2017 23:39 Tumblewood wrote: not like i have anything overtly scummy but i think we've been giving conversion too much credit for not doing much to influence the game. still could be town but ehhhh i have too many townreads as it stands no offense but what have you done besides roleclaim d1 and making small comments on Vivax vs HF? by your logic you shouldn't be getting a free pass (if you live through N2) just because you claimed doctor and did nothing while bragging about your ability at how good you are at mafia like if I had a blue role am I allowed to claim and just fuck off somewhere and tell everyone I'm contributing, yet use that argument to try and make others be possibly scum? shrug | ||
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players alive: BTDT Grack ritoky Holyflare Blazinghand Prison Break LightningStrike Tumblewood Me! BH/HF dies, or after N2 and someone else dies: Tumblewood: Need Tumblewood to “claim” who he saved. Was he RB’d again? Typical setup I assume includes a Mafia RB with a doctor—although, could he be scum saying he got “RB’d” to get a free townie pass? Brags about how good he is at mafia, flies under the radar, names people for an optimal lynch, but just hides under his doctor claim and really does nothing. Pretty shaky at best if doc/RB doesn’t exist (I have no idea how setups work, so yell at me if I'm being stupid pls), when do we stop giving him a free pass because of his doctor claim, or do we just buy into him being doctor and not contributing to the game with his godly mafia skillz (self-proclaimed) BH/HF: Whichever one of BH/HF dies I’m inclined to look into, as both are pretty much in control of town’s direction and information. Very strong possibility of them working together for an endgame by establishing themselves as town leaders (although might be unlikely with the Fidei lynch.. although HF and BH both were not at the beginning of that wagon. this is a speculation at best I’d need to flesh it out more as BH pushed Fidei iirc) Good possibility of TW-BH/HF team as well. Doctor claim could have been instrumented.. idk this is getting pretty tin foil hatty so I’ll stop BTDT and PB might be just two townies bickering at each other at who is more scummy. TBH I’m not really suspicious of either of them. PB isn’t actively pushing for anything except replying to BTDT and BTDT is just tunneling in on PB. Not sure(?) why he’s not pursuing anyone else if there’s five people on his list, but eh. Between these two I’m still more wary of BTDT, but his play seemed much better D2? Still flashes of his D1 “I’m insulted and I’m going to rage” in his last few posts, but honestly dude push other people than PB. You two are shitting up the thread by bickering with each other like HF and Vivax usually did. Push me, push LS, push anyone else on your list and stop quitting halfway through when people argue back. Why do you quote your list of 5 people that are unsure, go “this is a good list” and then not do anything but tunnel on PB for like 10 posts? Tubesock is still my top town read. Grack I still have no idea how to read. Lots of jokes, questions, a back and forth with ritoky, jabs here and there, more jokes. shrug. wants to lynch between me and ritoky and I’m town soo what makes me scummy and worthy of a D3 lynch Grack? How about ritoky? especially if you mislynch D3 you’re at LYLO (3 town 2 mafia, is LYLO, right?), assuming TW gets "roleblocked" again and we don't save anyone. LS just seems lazy.. or doesn’t care as much. I know I stopped caring about D2 basically because game was unfun and I left it to grind other games. hopefully he’ll say more once we get the NK info and on D3. I want to believe ritoky is town but I might just be biased because he guided me to make reads and helped me make attempts to contribute with reads, but his posts since then have been less than good. Honestly after N2 I want to hone in on whatever TW is doing because it’s not much (if he’s not dead). I’m not sure why he’s being so inactive if being RB’d means he gets to live and make a lot of good townie plays with him not being NK’d if Mafia are just content. Whoever dies between BH/HF might be scum, but seems a little far-fetched, imo. | ||
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That was a post I made after filtering through some of the earlier posts, filters, and reading through D2. I'm hopefully going to be able to get some more answers on D3 as a mislynch would put us in a game-losing situation unless someone not named you or BH steps up... pretty dangerous for town to be two people generating content or posting more and the others either AFKing or tunneling on people instead of trying to force information out of others I'm going to go get groceries and cook dinner now. I'll be back after NK flip. | ||
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call me a pessimistokay gone for real now bbl | ||
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 also wait so HF is vigi and PB is veteran? | ||
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