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Day One Final Vote Count
Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare
Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax
Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax
beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock
Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand
LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky
Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax
Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand
Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike
Conversion (0): beentheredonethat
Fidei86 the Mafia Godfather has been lynched.
So this vote count I pretty much right about scum had no control of the lynch seeing that ritoky only appeared EoD and James was afk. Tubesock is cleared I think for being the 2nd one on the wagon. I know I am town and I think Grack is town too therefore I think the wagon is pure on James. So that again leaves PB, Conversion, and BTDT which would seem to lead to BTDT more than PB and Conversion from what I looked at James filter and ritoky's filter.
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On June 12 2017 23:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Ritoky should we concede?
?? is it game over
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On June 12 2017 22:07 Conversion wrote:One more point: HF rolled vig and said he shot BTDT. if BTDT wasn't scum, why would mafia roleblock and shoot him? If BTDT was town, it would put town at a 4/2 instead of a 3/2 basically puts us in a LYLO situation if we don't get scum here. Maybe this is a bad argument, but is there any benefit to roleblocking HF if, let's say, he was tunneled in on me being mafia and I was town? I'm not sure if mafia is able to not roleblock someone, so IDK. might be a weak argument, so I'd like some thoughts on it. In addition to my last post: I do not believe that anyone can be that bad at mafia for that long without being scum. Like I'm sure there are bad plays you can make as town, but my opinion is that you can't be afraid of making bad plays if you know you are town. However, you have to be more careful if you're scum and that sort of caution can be hidden under the guise of emotional rage, threatening to afk, and essentially throwing a tantrum. So just as we cannot give a free pass to people being inactive on this day (I hope people start posting later in the day), we cannot give them a free pass anymore for being emotional and playing the QQ card, or raging at people and not helping the discussion and calling people out for things he is refusing to do and making excuses for. This is basically mislynch into LYLO, as we'll be at 3/2 if we don't catch scum, so we need everyone to give their opinion, reads, and partake in a discussion. Show nested quote +On June 12 2017 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
Make sure you talk. As much as possible
First part: thought about it but HF probably shot ritoky. He was mindgaming. And if he wasn't, he was double mindgaming and actually shot btdt, but ritoky didnt want to risk it. HF "I am not blue" 4 seconds before he died isn't the type to tell the truth lol.
Currently conversion is my strongest townread and BTDT is my strongest scumread outside of Ritoky
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On June 12 2017 22:36 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2017 22:29 Tubesock wrote:
We have Conversion, Prisonbreak, Tube, beentheredonethat, LightningStrike, Grackaroni, Ritoky. 7 total, 2 are mafia. So it's 5-2 now. 4-2 if btdt flips town, 4-1 if we kill Ritoky. Crap I messed up my math somehow 5-2 4-2 3-2 3-1 2-1 vs 5-2 5-1 4-1 3-1 2-1 I guess we don't exactly lose a mislynch on second looks?
Right its lynch scum - town or lynch town - scum, you never lose a mislynch here
Lol at BTDT conceding
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Okay guys. Pretend for a second I'm not the last scum. Who would it be?
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I genuinely think it's Conversion
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Can you please lynch me before ritoky so you can continue to play the game please?
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On June 13 2017 02:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
Okay guys. Pretend for a second I'm not the last scum. Who would it be?
I definitely don't think it's conversion
I mean tubesocks posts seemed scummy and I thought he was scum, although that was based on the assumption that TW was scum and you and grack were cleared out. I don't scumread him anymore, but I did scumread him, so he'd be a possibility. Otherwise maybe LS. Don't think it's grack.
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if you're not scum it'd be between TS or LS in my reads
but I have no idea what's happening with this game
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On June 13 2017 02:32 Prison Break wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 02:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
Okay guys. Pretend for a second I'm not the last scum. Who would it be? I definitely don't think it's conversion I mean tubesocks posts seemed scummy and I thought he was scum, although that was based on the assumption that TW was scum and you and grack were cleared out. I don't scumread him anymore, but I did scumread him, so he'd be a possibility. Otherwise maybe LS. Don't think it's grack.
Okay, but Grack and LS both hammered Fidei. Tube was early on him, potentially a bus, and Conversion voted outside even.
I would read neither Grack nor LS as scum because they hammered Fidei, finalizing the lynch on him.
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Okay. So you're both in a "LS or Tubesock" world if I understand that correctly.
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and where are we going with this, exactly?
also ded game. I miss HF
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On June 13 2017 02:41 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 02:32 Prison Break wrote:On June 13 2017 02:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
Okay guys. Pretend for a second I'm not the last scum. Who would it be? I definitely don't think it's conversion I mean tubesocks posts seemed scummy and I thought he was scum, although that was based on the assumption that TW was scum and you and grack were cleared out. I don't scumread him anymore, but I did scumread him, so he'd be a possibility. Otherwise maybe LS. Don't think it's grack. Okay, but Grack and LS both hammered Fidei. Tube was early on him, potentially a bus, and Conversion voted outside even. I would read neither Grack nor LS as scum because they hammered Fidei, finalizing the lynch on him.
right but you must admit conversion has been putting insane amount of effort
just filter him
I mean I thought he was scummy day 1, but he really convinced me he's town with his play
right I agree, after you tubesock would be most likely, but here's the thing: Ritoky traded himself, why? if it was ritoky+tubesock, and people were onto tubesock+TW, why would he trade? instead of trying to get HF killed tomorrow
I don't understand his play either way, but by this logic why did he trade? or did he just want to mindgame us to throw us off cause we were on the right track anyway?
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On June 13 2017 05:57 Prison Break wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2017 02:41 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 13 2017 02:32 Prison Break wrote:On June 13 2017 02:20 beentheredonethat wrote:
Okay guys. Pretend for a second I'm not the last scum. Who would it be? I definitely don't think it's conversion I mean tubesocks posts seemed scummy and I thought he was scum, although that was based on the assumption that TW was scum and you and grack were cleared out. I don't scumread him anymore, but I did scumread him, so he'd be a possibility. Otherwise maybe LS. Don't think it's grack. Okay, but Grack and LS both hammered Fidei. Tube was early on him, potentially a bus, and Conversion voted outside even. I would read neither Grack nor LS as scum because they hammered Fidei, finalizing the lynch on him. right but you must admit conversion has been putting insane amount of effort just filter him I mean I thought he was scummy day 1, but he really convinced me he's town with his play right I agree, after you tubesock would be most likely, but here's the thing: Ritoky traded himself, why? if it was ritoky+tubesock, and people were onto tubesock+TW, why would he trade? instead of trying to get HF killed tomorrow I don't understand his play either way, but by this logic why did he trade? or did he just want to mindgame us to throw us off cause we were on the right track anyway?
I don't know how 7 pages of filter are an insane amount of effort. Yes, his filter looks town-ish to me but that might just be me being bad at reading. I don't remember any pushes nor any incredible, super-worked out case. How is this "incredible effort"?
if it's not conversion, as you claim it to be, then it must be tubesock or you from my perspective.
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I don't understand ritoky's super rage anyways. It doesn't make sense so I'd assume he's frustrated anyways. He's clearly playing against his win condition.
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On June 13 2017 06:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
I don't understand ritoky's super rage anyways. It doesn't make sense so I'd assume he's frustrated anyways. He's clearly playing against his win condition.
Where exactly is Ritoky's rage?
I don't think he rage quit at all.
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On June 12 2017 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count
Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare
Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax
Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax
beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock
Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand
LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky
Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax
Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand
Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike
Conversion (0): beentheredonethat
Fidei86 the Mafia Godfather has been lynched.
So this vote count I pretty much right about scum had no control of the lynch seeing that ritoky only appeared EoD and James was afk. Tubesock is cleared I think for being the 2nd one on the wagon. I know I am town and I think Grack is town too therefore I think the wagon is pure on James. So that again leaves PB, Conversion, and BTDT which would seem to lead to BTDT more than PB and Conversion from what I looked at James filter and ritoky's filter.
What in James' filter and Ritoky's filter lead you to BTDT?
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you guys should lighten up. make some jokes. have some fun.
also am i gettin free stats?
sick.
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you guys should totally split the vote and let me hammer, it's a great idea.
also your mechanics are all wrong about justifying why you shouldn't lynch me, but hey what the shit do i care.
you guys want my check for today? i didn't get roleblocked! kitaman
I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!
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On June 13 2017 06:23 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2017 23:48 LightningStrike wrote:
Day One Final Vote Count
Fidei86 (6): Onegu, Tumblewood, Tubesock, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, LightningStrike, Holyflare
Tumblewood (2): Holyflare, Fidei86, Holyflare, ritoky, beentheredonethat, Tubesock, LightningStrike, Vivax
Prison Break (2): Conversion, Tumblewood, Grackaroni, Vivax
beentheredonethat (1): Prison Break, ritoky, Tubesock
Vivax (1): Blazinghand, Holyflare, Tubesock, Blazinghand
LightningStrike (1): Tumblewood, Holyflare, ritoky
Blazinghand (0): Grackaroni, Tubesock, Vivax, Vivax
Grackaroni (0): Blazinghand
Holyflare (0): LightningStrike, Vivax, Tumblewood, LightningStrike
Conversion (0): beentheredonethat
Fidei86 the Mafia Godfather has been lynched.
So this vote count I pretty much right about scum had no control of the lynch seeing that ritoky only appeared EoD and James was afk. Tubesock is cleared I think for being the 2nd one on the wagon. I know I am town and I think Grack is town too therefore I think the wagon is pure on James. So that again leaves PB, Conversion, and BTDT which would seem to lead to BTDT more than PB and Conversion from what I looked at James filter and ritoky's filter. What in James' filter and Ritoky's filter lead you to BTDT?
The weird interaction between Ritoky and BTDT that I think PB pointed out here:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2017 07:32 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 07:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
no I haven't read the last 3-4 pages in a serious manner
yes I'm going to bed now
no I'm not scum i mean....if i am wrong, then how does shit like this help me get from where i am to being right? the game is like 6 pages total....w/e annoyed. On June 05 2017 03:46 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2017 23:17 beentheredonethat wrote:On June 04 2017 03:53 ritoky wrote:
the person i think is most mafia right now is probably BTDT. i think his reads are cheap and hollow.
he defends TW for missing a joke "full frontal" (w/e the shit that means); when from my experience lacking a sense of humor is more mafia indicative than town.
he defends grack from vivax because of last game? he doesn't disagree with vivax that what grack is doing isn't more scum indicative, he just says "don't call him mafia cuz he said terrible things last game too". read as mafia trying to pocket/protect weak town a bit.
he prods the new player, which is easy for anyone to do.
he calls out PB for sounding wishy-washy....but that makes no sense to me. he has a read on TW and grack from previous games, but not on PB. in the previous game PB was incredibly definitive and made tons of sense pretty much all game long. in this game PB sounds more unsure and makes less sense. it makes me think PB is more likely town, so why does PB sounding dissimilar to last game make him think PB is the same alignment as last game?
dunno....pretty much don't like anything of what he has posted. PBs reads at that point are wishy-washy, ritoky, and if you call that a solid read, then you're misrepresenting things. If there are more questions towards me coming from that case, feel free to ask, I'm here. Yes, his reads were wishy-washy at that point, I agree with you. That's my point. My point is that his reads in the previous game were basically never wishy-washy, they were always definitive. So if he is playing the opposite or different from his previous game, then why are you assuming he is the same alignment as the previous game? On June 06 2017 04:03 ritoky wrote:
looking outside the ppl who voted mafia:
i think PB's post about his reaction to the lynch is pretty similar to mine, although him never delivering on his promised reads is meh. he came to the same conclusion i did about the 3 people i think are town because of the lynch and he looks toward the same spot i do for the mafia on the wagon (grack + ls). but when he starts saying things that make tons of sense to me, it's kinda the opposite of why i had him town leaned earlier.
btdt played the emo card on me and i am hard pressed to get over that. i think his filter and play isn't particularly townie, but he played the emo card....
conv is certainly not particularly useful at the moment, but i don't get the sense that he is malicious or mafia. i told him "stop doing this and give me reads." and then he immediately produced reads that seemed genuine; so i have a difficult time thinking he's mafia.
then vivax....i guess vivax COULD be mafia? but then i been pretty wrong this game. but doesn't vivax just see the runaway train and bus his partner for the nickle or dime's worth of credit he would get? i would have.
ritoky interactions with ritoky seemed awkward to each other and the way ritoky tried to read btdt seemed off.
From James filter:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 04 2017 19:58 Fidei86 wrote:
Conversion: my reasoning was simple. You thread entered, and then having not posted anything for half a day or so you came back with a long and clearly typed post (#159) (i.e. not just something you bashed out on a mobile) that didn't give any reads and just apologised. At the time I made the post I don't think you had made any game relevant posts. So that is why I said I wasn't going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Obviously there's been a lot of development since I went to bed, and I quite like the indignant but also slightly confused tone of your subsequent posts. Also #200 you say you're "glad Vivax and Grace read you as town". As a new player I'm onboard for that being a genuine dumbtell. TR.
BH is massively overplaying the Grack read. And in fact, BH hasn't done anything outside of his RNG/Grack read. I had the same reaction as Grack did to the onslaught ("wtf?"). Maybe BH is going for the old Chezinu play? But I don't see how that helps as town, particularly in a newbie game. Grack's reads are thin, and I don't like how he seems to soft TW at #249 without pushing it. So I end up where I think they are scummy. Doubt they're scum together, although the amount of shitting up the thread they've achieved could easily part of a plan.
Vivax is pretty town - his post at #181 hit some people multiple times, which is indicative of someone not trying to build a narrative.
I like ritoky's interactions with Conversion - trying to push Conversion to carry on and give reads. (This is something else I liked about Vivax re 187, where he prods BTDT after earlier null reading/asking for more info).
TW continues to be underwhelming. His BH read is garbage, and he now has Tube and Grack as his top towns? Over Vivax? I also think his general tone in the thread has been unhelpful (see #270, #272).
So right now I'm at:
Town:
Vivax
Ritoky
Lean Town:
Conversion
LS (ehhhhhhhhhhhh)
BTDT
Null:
Onegu: one massive WOT isn't enough to get you off, and you're tunnelled on me per usual, but nothing in your reads gave any red lights
PB
Tube
Scummy;
BH
Grack
HF
TW
Right now I'm leaning towards TW, and I would rather lynch BH/Grack over HF.
That read's post as well as several posts in his filter seemed weird around bdt. note that ritoky was townread by James while his scumreads are town for the most part. Kinda points to btdt or Conversion more or less but with both of them combined it looks like btdt more Conversion for me.
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