On February 11 2017 00:59 Palmar wrote: Nice, new page good time to post optimal play guides:
@Doc: Do not claim your role until lylo (don't claim in mylo). I'm going to assume Malongo is a troll, not a retard. If he is genuinely doc and mafia believes him, he basically reduced our chance of winning from super likely to very unlikely.
Also @Doc, tread carefully with wifom. TL players are retarded and like to go for homeruns. I know it's going to be tempting to not protect me (or LS, if you're bad at life) tonight, but you really, really should protect me. It's optimal play for mafia to shoot into the 4 people that might be doc (aka, not me or the 2 scummers), because they should be assuming that I'm protected, which is the reason I claimed in the first place.
Yes, if you play optimally, your protection is "wasted" because mafia will shoot into town, BUT, I've seen mafia go for broke often in this setup (basically gamble the doc will try a big play, and just straight up shoot the cop). I am going to super mad if I die tonight.
I think there's an argument to be made that once the cop is CC'd protecting either is not the optimal play because mafia shooting either results in a 1 for 1 trade of cop for mafia which in this setup seems fine for town. It also keeps the doctor save "live" in the event that mafia doesn't want to shoot into the cop and trade, which optimally they won't do because it is a net loss.
But I suppose arguing optimal play semantics is not really for this thread.
ritoky thinking he softed too hard and is gonna die:
On February 11 2017 07:51 ritoky wrote: Also LS, why is rels a higher priority check for you than Damdred, when they essentially made the same read on you?
I like this question. Like ls usually you like to have me confirmed at any point as you Wifom your way into he'll on me half the time.But it doesn't matter I'll be confirmed town soon anyway.
@LS and Rit what do you think of the doctor claim and the way he went about it?
That question for everyone who wants to answer.
i don't think he's the doctor. if i had to hazard a guess i think he is vt being a bonehead trying to do some kind of convoluted play that does more harm than good.
if he comes in an says "yo i am doctor, never rescinding, never back down" in his next posts, then i think he is mafia on the grounds he claims doctor and save target instantly and then turns around and calls LS scum cuz dumb/bad. at that point i just have to assume his level of hypocrisy and poor play makes him mafia.
ritoky pushing for Mal to hard claim so he can cc:
On February 11 2017 09:48 ritoky wrote: k, so it is damdred or malongo. malongo, you claiming doctor and never rescinding?
Theres no reason to confirm/deny at this point.
Still reading the thread, I really hate that somehow both DTs checked rels.
Why not? Palmar and LS are binary, rels is confirmed green, I am never mafia. If you have a way to confirm yourself as town through claim then damdred becomes confirmed mafia who we can immediately lynch.
On June 04 2017 20:36 Holyflare wrote: And LS I'm challenging you this game. If you are town I don't want you to reference a single piece of meta. I want you to use reasons from this game. Anything else is a mafia claim.
On June 10 2017 03:41 LightningStrike wrote: Also Imperial I think had the most pages of a single mafia game if I remember correctly.
LS, i am interested in who you think is mafia outside the claims?
From my PoV it's one of Covnersion, PB, and Tubesock by PoE alone. PB seems likely town by meta. So that leaves Conversion and Tubesock as my last scum there. Tubesock did vote 2nd on James but if TW was the roleblocker he probably would do that bus honestly. Conversion I liked some of his posts after I read his filter a bit but his weird reaction to the flip seems odd defending himself about being a team with PB. So ya One of Tubesock and Conversion is my last scum you?
are you seriously calling me possible scum in a post I made during D2 in reply to BTDT saying I was a scum team with PB?
can you make a better case than that?
his case is PoE, what is wrong with it?
you think it is TW + LS right? can you give me your best 3-5 reasons on why LS is mafia.
i just need 2 of ls, tube, PB, and conv to say some shit that makes them never ever mafia, so we can have auto and i can begin to mentally check out of this game.
i feel like the internet version of hf would be the hardest person ever to date. loves being in control, has to be right, great at pushing your buttons.
On June 10 2017 03:41 LightningStrike wrote: Also Imperial I think had the most pages of a single mafia game if I remember correctly.
LS, i am interested in who you think is mafia outside the claims?
From my PoV it's one of Covnersion, PB, and Tubesock by PoE alone. PB seems likely town by meta. So that leaves Conversion and Tubesock as my last scum there. Tubesock did vote 2nd on James but if TW was the roleblocker he probably would do that bus honestly. Conversion I liked some of his posts after I read his filter a bit but his weird reaction to the flip seems odd defending himself about being a team with PB. So ya One of Tubesock and Conversion is my last scum you?
are you seriously calling me possible scum in a post I made during D2 in reply to BTDT saying I was a scum team with PB?
can you make a better case than that?
his case is PoE, what is wrong with it?
you think it is TW + LS right? can you give me your best 3-5 reasons on why LS is mafia.
I'm fine with him doing a PoE read on me or tubesock, but as I said before his entire game is just putting a few comments here and there and then not really contributing, so I want to read his thoughts on his PoE scum reads instead of "these are my scum reads by PoE" and leaving it at that.
in terms of why LS can be mafia: My first major point is that he doesn't do anything significant in the game. He sheeps, his excuse being that his townie play is based around sheeping when I called him out for his lack of presence. I don't know how he plays, he doesn't back it up with anything, and just leaves it at that.
The distancing between TW-LS can be a solid play between them to not link them to each other in case one of them slips. I'm leaving the possibility of TW-LS bussing Fidei while he was AFK at the end of deadline a possibility, then spreading votes out D2 to make sure they do not look like they are agreeing on the same stance. LS also voted late D2 if I remember correctly, so bussing Vivax might have given away too much information
He asked to for blues to shoot/check him over the night. When I asked him why, he said to "clear his position up" When I asked if you could have not checked him b/c you strongly think he is mafia, he just acknowledges the possibility and then argument ends there. If I was town, I would never ask blues to check/shoot me to clear misconceptions-- I would try to look as townie as possible so blues have a narrower range of targets to clear, especially an unclaimed cop. IDK asking to get blue checked instead of playing the game seems pretty scummy to me.
although that last point can just be frustrated townie play as well, so meh.
Also this is in case TW is not scum. If HF is lying about his claim, I do not think LS is mafia. I don't see the possibility of a HF-LS team (especially with the way HF has pushed LS all game)