[M][N] Generic Mini Mafia II

On May 08 2017 15:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yay we got a game!

On May 11 2017 04:22 fuba wrote:
Prison Break's stuff on sicklucker seems like the best "case" so far. Gonna vote him.

On May 11 2017 16:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

because he doesn't claim blue as blue with 1 vote on him on D1.

On May 11 2017 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax hasn't even read his top scumreads posts....
And people call him town. This game...

On May 11 2017 17:02 Vivax wrote:


Calling in favours are we ?

That won't mean that I'm just going to shut up about you. You're very unusual currently.

On May 11 2017 17:43 Holyflare wrote:
But really though, Rayn, if you're actually town (which is quite hard to see right now) you're directly contradicting what you said you wouldn't do this game which is shit up the thread with me. Why are you trying your hardest to get me to fall for your games and argue and being obstinate?

Just talk to me like a human being man. I don't have the energy or care for this game to bother getting into petty fights over your illiteracy.

On May 11 2017 18:41 Palmar wrote:

Kill grack with me, you didn't seem all that bothered to kill him earlier.

On May 12 2017 07:42 darthfoley wrote:


Why would you have voted for me?

On May 12 2017 08:06 darthfoley wrote:
Also why would I have town rainbows now LS??

On May 12 2017 02:53 Holyflare wrote:
I was completely wrong about Tumblewood. Why has nobody called me out for that?

On May 12 2017 04:12 fuba wrote:
Not sure who I want to vote for now. I'll assume what sl said is true based on the fact that no one contested what he said... I thought it was strange he kept his vote on grack while trying to get everyone to vote for HF or LS, but looks like he never dropped his grack scumread, so that's probably ok.

On May 12 2017 04:19 Prison Break wrote:


I'm here but I'm still catching up

Getting used to all the new names etc. and keep looking back for possible connections

I'll drop my reads once I'm catched up - still don't like sicklurker fwiw, and I liked you for joining it

On May 12 2017 05:08 Skynx wrote:
Just to give it out there

Palmar
PB
SL

HF
rayn
Grack

TW
DF


Damdred
Vivax

lynch fuba or sl if nothing better is availabe

On May 12 2017 18:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker at least do me a favor and look into Vivax and Palmar, read my filter. Okay?

On May 12 2017 21:29 Prison Break wrote:
I already thought he was scum and his defense was like "yeah you only think that because you're not from this site etc. so it's understandable" ... the fuck? what kind of logic is that

On May 12 2017 21:31 Prison Break wrote:
also when fuba joined it he got a lot of pressure for it, possible chainsaw defenses there to protect sicklurker

On May 13 2017 00:18 Palmar wrote:


Actually I'm gonna back off a bit on what I just wrote.

Turns out when rayn left the df wagon it was 5 people on damdred and 3 on df. Grack's vote for df came literally at last second. rayn did indeed NOT save df because even if he'd stayed it was 5-3 and would've gone down to 4-4 with damdred getting there first with the Grack switch.

so I'm gonna relax a bit about that rayn vote.

On May 13 2017 02:14 Prison Break wrote:
scum wants the votes spread early-mid day, and want to steer them toward a townie mid-late day

On May 13 2017 03:20 Palmar wrote:
Yeah i like pb

On May 13 2017 04:50 Skynx wrote:
If none of Palmar/HF die can we assume they are mafia?

On May 13 2017 09:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
the dude is the SHIT and thinks he is good. It's kinda sad. It really is sad...

On May 12 2017 05:51 darthfoley wrote:
let's remember that rayn thought i was 100% town last game when I was scum, so naturally you should follow his shit ass fuck case on me this game!

On May 13 2017 23:36 fuba wrote:

He wasn't even under that much suspicion. Why claim doc with a roleblocker in the game when there was little/no threat of being lynched? I can't think of a scenario where this is a good idea except if you're scum, you know it's an all-vanilla game, and you know you can fakeclaim without being countered.

On May 14 2017 00:07 Holyflare wrote:
The real lack of everything from everyone is great.

On May 14 2017 00:11 fuba wrote:

Thoughts on the sl claim for literally no reason?

On May 14 2017 03:23 Palmar wrote:
Damdred was not in the lead when you switched to him I think, but I'm not even gonna bother checking because it's a pedantic and stupid argument about semantics that I'm not gonna get into.

Point is, you were terribly wrong on a towny looking person yesterday, so unless you can come up with a solid reason for why Grack is town, we're gonna do it my way today.

Additionally, I'm actually fairly certain you're just mafia, and I have many very good reasons to think so.

On May 14 2017 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar, Vivax, Holyflare.

On May 14 2017 06:30 Holyflare wrote:
I did think about it and I thought it's a palmar/you/vivax kill because you all eventually town read him and it casts suspicion on all the rest of us. It also alleviates pressure from you showing it's 2 town wagons.

But i don't care about wifom, I think fuba is a great case. Palmar's comments today are so full of absolute shit that i will not hesitate to lynch him either. He's been giving out way too many free reads with no thoughts behind them. And that blaming me for damdred is BEYOND a stretch.

He's clearly setting me up for a lynch but not doing it.

On May 14 2017 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
+ i voted for mafia. Ask sicklucker. He knows. :D

On May 14 2017 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
Wow palmar rage? What is this

On May 14 2017 08:35 Holyflare wrote:


Yeh it really bugs me he constantly has a scum lean on me but agrees with everything i say. But fuba is still mafia.

He has been caught out in about 4 lies now.

On May 14 2017 08:55 Tumblewood wrote:
town
grack
rayn
pb
ls
sl

scum pool 1 - pick two, one of which is fuba
skynx
vivax
fuba

scum pool 2 - pick one
hf
palmar

On May 14 2017 09:48 Holyflare wrote:
Regardless you're using nk bs wifom to read me instead of actually reading my content

I feel like I'm the only one playing with facts in this game.

On May 15 2017 10:32 Prison Break wrote:
FUCK why did we lynch fuba, he was a HARD townread + I explained this, and he ALSO went after sicklurker d1

guess who's on the vote.... sicklurker....

reading through the pages now to see how this unfolded. holyflare and sicklurker escaped a lynch yet again....

is this seriously going to be one of those games where I catch scum d1 and then people refuse to lynch them and keep killing townies instead? goddamn this is frustrating...

On May 15 2017 05:35 Palmar wrote:
My main reason I think holyflare could be mafia here is because he feels very, very uncompromising. There is a chance this is the result of the lack of direction in this town, but it just feels like... he's trying to enforce his will too hard.

I came into the thread yesterday, talking about various things, and I felt like the only thing HF wanted to say was "Fuba is the lynch". He seems overly focused on just one thing at a time ignoring sort of the larger gamestate.

I'm not even sure it makes him mafia, and this is very much just a gut tonal read. I am much more convinced Grack is mafia.

On May 15 2017 19:22 Palmar wrote:
By the way, there's way too much distrust in this town.

If we're going to have any shot at winning this we need to start making grand alliances. People need to start creating blocks of voting with people who trust each other.

There's _nothing_ wrong with mistakenly trusting mafia for the sake of building an efficient block. Like I would be super happy to have a block of people I kinda trust voting and working together. Hell, if you must you should create a voting block around HF. He's mafia and we'll lose, but at least we get something done.

It frustrates me so much that people sit on obviously bad lynches for basically no good reason:

Tumblewood, sicklucker, Grackaroni
darthfoley, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Skynx

There's no person on both town wagons so meh.

On May 16 2017 06:54 Tumblewood wrote:
hold the fuck up

there is no cop
I'm parity cop. n1 checked pb, n2 checked palmar. they're different alignment so basically skynx is mafia with palmar and trying to bait out the blues before he dies

On May 16 2017 05:51 Skynx wrote:
Otherwise you lynch me today and we lose.

On May 16 2017 06:50 Palmar wrote:
list of people holyflare has tried to kill this game:

rayn (town)
damdred (town)
fuba (town)
palmar (town)

top tier stuff

On May 17 2017 16:07 Vivax wrote:
Nice solving the game there SL.

On May 17 2017 18:30 LightningStrike wrote:

Because he was red checked by Skynx?

On May 18 2017 14:34 Prison Break wrote:


I was pretty confident he was scum earlier on. His play is messing with my head. I don't care what others think, I care about being right. I think I'm still right on sicklurker

On May 18 2017 15:04 Holyflare wrote:
Lol pb is confirmed town grack. No way his team let's him vote twice in a night cycle without telling him how the game works.

On May 19 2017 02:10 Prison Break wrote:


wtf?

I want to lynch scum. In order to lynch scum, I must be right on who I lynch. You're completely taking these words out of the context. The context in which I said this was when I said I'd hate myself if HF was scum, to which I got called out (by your possible scummate?) that I was supposedly worried about how I'd look or some BS like that. To which I explained to him, that I'm worried about being right. So within this context, the meanig is obviously that I only want to lynch people that are scum

You saying I've been wrong this entire game is a complete misrep. I've been right on multiple things and I'm tunneling you because you're scum. So you're using your alignment as an argument to say I'm wrong - while for all we know, you could be lying about it. So it's not a valid argument. What is a valid argument, though, is that you're outright misleading people with what you're saying and that you made weird flip flops and what not.

On May 19 2017 02:12 Vivax wrote:


Is HF scum or town?

On May 19 2017 02:17 Prison Break wrote:
currently leaning SL + grack as the team

On May 19 2017 04:09 Prison Break wrote:


You outright suggest Grack mafia with 1 of 3, out of which I am one of the 3, when I outright say I want him dead. LOL. So how can we ever be a team? Using your own bad logic against you here... stay consistent please.

On May 19 2017 05:29 Holyflare wrote:
3 minutes before deadline is clearly bull shit

On May 19 2017 06:04 Prison Break wrote:
like at this point I'm not even taking these claims seriously since it's all mindgames anyway

On May 19 2017 06:02 Grackaroni wrote:
I agree it was wrong to heal LS because the wifom kill was probably going to be vivax anyway. There's not much point arguing about it now though.

On May 19 2017 05:56 Vivax wrote:


Wrong, he gets rbed tonight, medic saved him, he dies tomorrow. Still no check. His role lost all value when he claimed.

On May 19 2017 06:18 Vivax wrote:


Well you aren't helping since you aren't reading or suggesting anything better so you can just look at the votecount and vote with 3 townies or have HF run the show.

On May 19 2017 06:20 LightningStrike wrote:

He could of been framed as scum and would appear as town to cop checks?

On May 19 2017 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:
I meant about SL being too obviously doctor to be the doctor. Maybe it was from another game.

On May 19 2017 06:28 Holyflare wrote:
i ain't voting till i dig i've been lazy

On May 10 2017 22:55 Tumblewood wrote:
lmao grack is having way too much fun to be scum

On May 11 2017 08:44 Tumblewood wrote:
okay, I might as well get all my reads out at once:
grack is my rock for now. and ls, but I always read him town. (don't get confused, he still is town. I'm always right.)
for now I'm gonna just ignore Palmar and Hf, because Palmar is obstinate and not crusading yet Hf is kinda just yelling and picking fights. plus one of them or rayn will probably die n1
Damdred is a little good in my book
prison break seems like most players I see from other sites. he seems to at least believe what he's saying
skynx has disappointed me so far. he reminds me of myself which is usually a bad sign
fuba had one post I thought sucked but other than that I've been ignoring him
rayn is town I think? I like rayn, he's doin good stuff
anyone else I just forgot was playing

On May 19 2017 06:35 Vivax wrote:


tumble gave rayn, pb and sl free townreads at the beginning of that game. thats like most likely scum team I think. I I had rayn, pb and SL as my partners I would tell them all to circle jerk themselves too. right SL? thats how that qt went down?

See what I did there?

On May 12 2017 05:01 Tumblewood wrote:
rayn, grack, ls, probably prison break are all town. Palmar Hf vivax sl not worth lynching d1 for various reasons. anyone else I would at least consider today. but fuba promised to do stuff and didn't so I am sticking on him unless you try to go lynch like grack

On May 19 2017 06:54 Holyflare wrote:
i'm all for palmar dying but when 3 people instantly vote him and 2 of them aren't even saying anything about him or anything else in the game then excuse me for not hopping on straight away

On May 19 2017 06:59 LightningStrike wrote:

You could try lynching me but I haven't been lynched past day 2 as town since metal mini :D

On May 19 2017 07:10 Vivax wrote:
I'm just gonna wait and hope SL is town and takes the pants off his head after three days of hard sandbagging, more like buried under a nuclear bunker.

On May 19 2017 07:15 Vivax wrote:
I'm more worried about PBs vendetta for not lynching you, we might have to take a reroute and lynch you before HF in order to gain his loyalty.

On May 19 2017 07:14 Vivax wrote:


I'll feel more sure about it once I see you with a torch and pitchfork chasing HF and Palmar.

On May 19 2017 08:07 LightningStrike wrote:

So in other words you think Holyflare is Unholyflare this game?
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 19 2017 05:37 Vivax wrote:
Palmar n1, Hf n2 and now LS cause I hoped they'd dodge skynx while they have a roleblocker.

On May 20 2017 04:13 Prison Break wrote:


What do you make of the people who don't want to lynch sicklurker, and want to lynch you despite you having the green check?

lightning strike and grack still have their vote on you. I think grack is scum as well as sicklurker. 2 scum should be between sicklurker, vivax and grack.

On May 19 2017 15:47 Holyflare wrote:
I'm confirmed town for my claim though.

On May 19 2017 15:49 Holyflare wrote:
Like if mafia believes me then they rb me and shoot skynx.

If they don't believe me why the fuck would they shoot skynx?

On May 19 2017 15:54 Holyflare wrote:
If mafia are bussing this hard then they're a person in a good spot that could win then end game. Which none of those people (other than unccd doc) are. So it's a subpar play for them to do. Which means it's likely sl and palmar even though I said grack and palmar.

But maybe the town case is pure wifom. I'm not so sure about that tbh.

On May 19 2017 19:29 Palmar wrote:

Here's what I'm thinking.

If I kill you today and you flip mafia, what happens tomorrow?

If the answer to that question is "we lynch SL", I'm perfectly okay with lynching him today, because:

a) you have a stupidly long filter (which you always do but still...)
b) I'm not 100% convinced you're scum
c) sicklucker is far less likely to say smart and useful things should he be the mislynch between you two
d) pb has been on his case since day 1, I just read pb's filter and I'm both impressed and kinda want to grant him his lynch



I kinda want to help this guy.

On May 19 2017 20:09 Holyflare wrote:
I don't know what palmar is doing, I just know that sl is likely mafia.

On May 19 2017 22:40 Vivax wrote:
You should have a clear idea of where we are standing and who has to be lynched next in order to win, and you should know that it's HF (from a PoV where you are town,but you are not, so you don't wanna) . Instead you keep playing the insecure, clueless Palmar who keeps saying LS and SL might not be town and that's just not who you are as town.

Town now just has to pull PB and SL together into the same boat and we win. Is SL confirmed town? No. But I guarantee that lynching Palmar, SL and HF wins the game 100 % of the time, where we lynch one of Palmar and HF today and the other two in no particular order.

For me it finally clicked in the head yesterday just before HF claimed doc, for you there is no click to be seen you just keep pretending to be dabbling in the dark.

On May 20 2017 05:06 Prison Break wrote:
Either way we shouldn't be lynching a doc, because we should put scum for the task, if they nightkill the doc they give up the fact they can hold onto their fake claim etc. which gives us more info

so with that said, and 3 doc claims, lynch should be between palmar and SL

but, say I'm wrong on SL, which I have no reason to believe, but say I'm wrong on him: then I still wonder if palmar is the correct lynch, because it's based entirely on the theory that he framed himself to begin with. It's a possibility, but I don't think it's a probability

also why is grack spawned town at all? depending on the scumteam, TW could've said whatever he wanted to, so why are people looking so much into this? I've seen scum leaving "hints" towards who are or aren't their partners in posts in case they flip, to lead town into more mislynches as well. I'm sceptic towards looking into TWs posts like that

On May 20 2017 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Vivax if you're really confident that both scum are within Palmar/HF/SL then I think SL is a lot more likely scum than a HF/Palmar team judging by the way they went after each other at the end of day 2.

On May 20 2017 06:03 Holyflare wrote:
if nobody ccs me then i fucking die are you actually stupid?

On May 20 2017 04:18 LightningStrike wrote:
With that in mind I going to unvote until we have a confirmation of who we lynching today between Palmar and HF becuase I think the game will solve itself after lynching the scum of the two in my world.

On May 20 2017 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:
Vivax if you're really confident that both scum are within Palmar/HF/SL then I think SL is a lot more likely scum than a HF/Palmar team judging by the way they went after each other at the end of day 2.

On May 20 2017 06:11 Grackaroni wrote:

Are you thinking that the team is LS/SL?

On May 20 2017 23:09 LightningStrike wrote:
You can lynch me if you want but I thinking HF's refusal to lynch Palmar despite the fact we gave him the opportunity to do it and him sort of defending palmar is enough of as reason to lynch HF and if HF is scum we can move on to to sicklucker.

On May 20 2017 23:37 LightningStrike wrote:

Simple Palmar would be town so my prefer lynch would be you.

On May 20 2017 23:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Like I don't think Palmar and HF are together as a team so in my world it would leave you and pb if HF flips scum.

On May 21 2017 00:07 Holyflare wrote:


You said this about you and palmar too. Don't pick and choose when it fits you.

On May 21 2017 01:40 Prison Break wrote:
Yes it's possible but seems unlikely

If HF Flips scum then SL is town

On May 21 2017 03:56 LightningStrike wrote:
Scum team for credit: HF SL TW

On May 21 2017 04:47 Grackaroni wrote:
High probability teams:

Palmar/LS
HF/LS

Low probability teams:

Palmar/SL
HF/PB

(HF/PB because the posts where PB dropped his read on HF seemed off to me, but I think PB's posts have been townie outside of that moment.)

Day 2 HF went hard tunnel on Rayn for changing his vote and then hard tunnel on Fuba for something I don't even remember. At the end of the day he changed his read on Fuba and pushed Palmar at a time where it was too likely to kill Palmar for him to do it to his scum buddy, so not Palmar/HF

I agree with SL that his push for HF today over Palmar makes him really unlikely to be paired with HF.

I don't have a good reason to rule out SL/LS but I just don't see that being the team.

On May 21 2017 04:52 Grackaroni wrote:
SL you agree that Palmar/HF is unlikely right?

On May 21 2017 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
well at least I'll be right on one person this game

On May 21 2017 06:07 Palmar wrote:

I mean I don't really care.

Vivax will die tonight. Me and PB are basically clear from the day 2 vote (we were like 1-2 voteswitches away from lynching scumflare).

This leave you, SL and Grack fighting among yourselves. Go forth and prove one of them is mafia!

On May 21 2017 06:20 Palmar wrote:
Holyflare (2) - Prison Break, Palmar
raynpelikoneet (1) - LightningStrike
fuba (3) - Tumblewood, sicklucker, Grackaroni
Palmar (2) - raynpelikoneet, Holyflare
Vivax (1) - Skynx
Skynx (2) - Vivax, fuba

So let's see.

PB and me, the true heroes of this town tried to kill mafia on day 2.
LS was sitting on some shit wagon on a confirmed townie (for rage outburst, I explained it a ton of times)
SL and Grack joined random scum to lynch a guy I was yelling would never flip mafia. Good job there.
rayn, being completely and utterly terrible this game, joined mafia in trying to kill me.
The cop tried to lynch the doc and the doc tried to lynch the cop.

Conclusion: lol this town