[M][N] Generic Mini Mafia II

On May 10 2017 18:06 Palmar wrote:

You're still at it, you literally just said something is fishy about some of his posts.

This could be just a poor choice of words by you, but if you believe that "Rayn is in a rage induced tunnel", rayn is 100% town to you 100% of the time. Mafia does not go into rage induced tunnels. They might fake it, and there is usually evidence they are faking it.

It's especially unlikely someone whose play is as refined as rayn's (well, as refined as a bludgeon can be) would go on a tilt as scum.

So either you must say that he's indeed NOT on a rage induced tunnel, but rather attempting to play one, or that he's town. There is no world where rayn is scum in a rage induced tunnel.

Also I don't like this pseudo-alliance-making.

On May 10 2017 16:19 Holyflare wrote:


Why have you taken fuba's secund post and changed his name to me? I never said this. You editing posts to try and look good?

On May 11 2017 05:01 Holyflare wrote:
Skynx see above quote for why.

On May 11 2017 04:22 fuba wrote:
Prison Break's stuff on sicklucker seems like the best "case" so far. Gonna vote him.

On May 11 2017 04:25 fuba wrote:
Aside from that I basically have a bunch of weak town reads that I'll keep to myself unless someone super-wants them.

On May 11 2017 05:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Incorrect. Holyflare is not town.

On May 11 2017 05:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No it isn't, fuba is even more town after that.

On May 11 2017 05:15 fuba wrote:

I don't feel like elaborating. My town reads will not progress the game.

On May 11 2017 05:19 Grackaroni wrote:

Mafia want to be seen making reads. I think they're a lot less likely to say that they have a few weak reads but that they aren't going to show them.

On May 10 2017 08:10 Damdred wrote:
Probably right, I missed you and your witty love HF.

I kinda think Rayn is town for a bad reason that has no real basis

On May 11 2017 05:28 LightningStrike wrote:

All I said that was that alone wouldn't make him scum?

On May 11 2017 19:26 Vivax wrote:
Is skynx a mafia god or just mafia? He's confident AF into townreads on good scum players without the big posts that usually accompany them when he's town.

On May 11 2017 22:18 Vivax wrote:
Skynx has been more contributive than fuba in darthfoley but in my opinion in the wrong ways. I just don't see how he jumps to conclusions so quickly without a shade of doubt about events and reads. Like his rayn vs Grack thingy and his townread list. Feels to me like he's just getting on the good side of the most active players and doesn't try to fight his TMI in order to not ruffle any feathers. Most of his reads lack explanation and meta wise I have seen him raise good points when he was town, I also have been always able to correctly identify him as town but you will have to take my word for that.

Also, in a nutshell, he hasn't been hunting scum.

This is the best case I think I have and I'm voting accordingly.

On May 11 2017 06:34 Damdred wrote:
I powered through the thread while I was up.

To start off questions

@PrisonBreak (I believe), my initial assessment of LS scum etc was a joke. My follow up post of Rayns towniness was not a joke, it came from sort of bad reasoning as he can fake it potentially as scum. But I really liked that his first post was trying to discern who you were so that (presumably) he could better read you and come to a better conclusion. I would generally see thi scome from more town than scum as scum would not want that information really to come to life. But as I said it is partially a bad reason at that point.

As to people who said Damdred can do this as scum, YES! I can, I have and I will do it as both alignments. I've always tried to shape my game where I can do whatever I want from solving the game (or trying to), giving up teammates etc as either alignment. Though I know I still have some ticks as mafia I have a hard time getting rid of. But kind of meh about DF (I believe it was) who only looked at me negatively because of it.

As for my reads here we are:

These are the people i'm ok reading town currently

LS
Rayn
Palmar
Prison Break
Skynx

Maybe town:
Grack
HF

I would normally want to make a call about tumble, and my initial reaction to some of his off the collar commentary I think would come from his town game rather than his scum game. But I am horrid at looking at him so i'm just kind of ignoring him currently.

I disliked DF so far, Vivax has been awkward in some of his postings so far but I am not sure that it makes him scum currently.

Fuba is someone also that I think might be worth a look into later, initial reaction was he might be town just as a gut feeling. His reasoning for following PB I felt was a bit lakluster and was something i've seen mafia do to shift the blame to the person they sheep instead of taking personal responbility for it. Also him refusing to post reads to push the game forward bothered me, or rather him thinking they wouldn't push the game forward. I still sort of see him as a big bag of blah null for now.

Currently I just kind of want to lynch DF for some below average postings for him and him picking on me :'(

On May 12 2017 03:46 darthfoley wrote:


this is the only thing in your entire filter that indicates you think anyone is scum, but you give yourself an out by saying your opinion could change with a second reading.

vivax is right in the sense that I don't see how you've scum hunted at all this game. you claim that mafia is sitting back and relaxing, yet you come in the thread at a very opportune time to defend yourself and not actively participate in anything else that is going on in the thread.

3 out of 5 of your town reads have a possibility of being lynched (Grack, HF, rayn) yet you do nothing to steer the conversation away from them and onto anyone else.

You have a good chance of being mafia

On May 11 2017 23:39 darthfoley wrote:
If anyone has questions for me, fire away. I'm an open book titled "If ya mislynch me, ya dun goofed." So ask my friends!

On May 12 2017 03:54 darthfoley wrote:


I'm not sure I follow, can you rephase?

On May 11 2017 22:18 Vivax wrote:
Skynx has been more contributive than fuba in darthfoley but in my opinion in the wrong ways. I just don't see how he jumps to conclusions so quickly without a shade of doubt about events and reads. Like his rayn vs Grack thingy and his townread list. Feels to me like he's just getting on the good side of the most active players and doesn't try to fight his TMI in order to not ruffle any feathers. Most of his reads lack explanation and meta wise I have seen him raise good points when he was town, I also have been always able to correctly identify him as town but you will have to take my word for that.

Also, in a nutshell, he hasn't been hunting scum.

This is the best case I think I have and I'm voting accordingly.

On May 12 2017 04:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Also TMI means To Much Information.

On May 12 2017 04:21 darthfoley wrote:


Eating lunch quickly

On May 11 2017 20:35 LightningStrike wrote:

I don't think Tumblewood is scum? Yes he acting a bit more bold but after my last game with him I can see why he would act bolder.

On May 12 2017 04:40 LightningStrike wrote:

See my answer to HE because he asked that same question.

On May 11 2017 06:34 Damdred wrote:
I powered through the thread while I was up.

To start off questions

@PrisonBreak (I believe), my initial assessment of LS scum etc was a joke. My follow up post of Rayns towniness was not a joke, it came from sort of bad reasoning as he can fake it potentially as scum. But I really liked that his first post was trying to discern who you were so that (presumably) he could better read you and come to a better conclusion. I would generally see thi scome from more town than scum as scum would not want that information really to come to life. But as I said it is partially a bad reason at that point.

As to people who said Damdred can do this as scum, YES! I can, I have and I will do it as both alignments. I've always tried to shape my game where I can do whatever I want from solving the game (or trying to), giving up teammates etc as either alignment. Though I know I still have some ticks as mafia I have a hard time getting rid of. But kind of meh about DF (I believe it was) who only looked at me negatively because of it.

As for my reads here we are:

These are the people i'm ok reading town currently

LS
Rayn
Palmar
Prison Break
Skynx

Maybe town:
Grack
HF

I would normally want to make a call about tumble, and my initial reaction to some of his off the collar commentary I think would come from his town game rather than his scum game. But I am horrid at looking at him so i'm just kind of ignoring him currently.

I disliked DF so far, Vivax has been awkward in some of his postings so far but I am not sure that it makes him scum currently.

Fuba is someone also that I think might be worth a look into later, initial reaction was he might be town just as a gut feeling. His reasoning for following PB I felt was a bit lakluster and was something i've seen mafia do to shift the blame to the person they sheep instead of taking personal responbility for it. Also him refusing to post reads to push the game forward bothered me, or rather him thinking they wouldn't push the game forward. I still sort of see him as a big bag of blah null for now.

Currently I just kind of want to lynch DF for some below average postings for him and him picking on me :'(

On May 12 2017 04:56 LightningStrike wrote:
I still think HE is scum but can consolidate if given a good case

On May 12 2017 05:01 Tumblewood wrote:
rayn, grack, ls, probably prison break are all town. Palmar Hf vivax sl not worth lynching d1 for various reasons. anyone else I would at least consider today. but fuba promised to do stuff and didn't so I am sticking on him unless you try to go lynch like grack

On May 12 2017 05:09 Damdred wrote:
Here's the thing, literally 0 interesting things were going on I. The thread while I was here. Besides grack and hf having a dick measuring contest that hf looked much more impressive in.

Sky had like four posts I liked before I posted.

Hf should never be firm town read early but enough you can get work done if you think he makes sense.

Something someone said about his and Palmer's fight made me agree and think he might be town.

Overall the posts against me are kinda meh, I'm voting df and going to be afk till after deadline

On May 12 2017 05:05 Tumblewood wrote:

sl never really plays d1, basically NAI no matter what. vivax can pull off scum for one day and no more.

On May 12 2017 05:12 Damdred wrote:


No dont have time and unless rayn and vivax hate me you don't have numbers. So kindly and without malice go sit in a corner and fume while I doimportant things like taunting you while I m busy teehee

On May 12 2017 05:33 Skynx wrote:
Too many people piling on DF, and I'm not confident going there with Damdred voting him.

Does anyone want to lynch fuba, who needed to step up and did nothing?

On May 12 2017 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

why? because your "top scumread" is also voting for sl?

On May 12 2017 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

so you want to kill an afk?

On May 12 2017 05:53 Holyflare wrote:






dislike df
buddy me and say he likes df post
vote df

did he vote df after rayn posted?

On May 12 2017 05:57 Skynx wrote:

He didn't actually, he voted DF when rayn said he was checking vivax.

On May 12 2017 06:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let me check something real quick

On May 12 2017 14:50 Vivax wrote:


I don't think I've ever seen anyone confusing the two. Just from a psychological point of view it doesn't make sense, as bloated as it may sound. But two initials are really not vulnerable to typos. Unless they smoke some special herbs in turkey.

So yes I think the reason is simply that skynx put a bunch of bs reads out there.

On May 12 2017 18:57 Vivax wrote:


Challenge accepted.

While you are here kind of just blowing off steam you could also re evaluate things or explain why you even scumread Damdred and TR DF, cause the reasons given previously I see in your filter are pretty bad.

On May 12 2017 19:04 Skynx wrote:
How about you give me two reasons why i am scum now without cherrypicking?

On May 13 2017 00:54 Vivax wrote:


I think my initial reasons I posted before peacing out on D1 are pretty good. Didn't really delve much deeper into the stuff you posted afterwards but it looks more confrontational so that looks better at glance.

Then again I don't like that you show up right now and the first thing you want to talk about is yourself. That should be your lowest priority as town, more than 2 days away from a lynch.

On May 13 2017 00:57 Palmar wrote:
I am fairly certain LS and Vivax are town too.

On May 13 2017 00:57 Palmar wrote:
I am 100% convinced DF is town.

On May 13 2017 01:07 Vivax wrote:


Well I answered it already. Now what? Do I have to dive your filter and find more things to accuse you with or what do you want from me? I feel like there's a lot more going on than just you. I'm expecting answers from 3 half afk people, basking in Palmar's high quality posts, reminding myself that I spontaneously TR Grack for superficial reasons, putting what rayn did into another possible perspective, and being paranoid about LS cause him and Damdred are BFFs usually.

The only guy I'm leaving out from my head atm is darthfoley.

On May 13 2017 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Its bad because if HF is mafia he can just stay afk. I understand the 2 wagons thing but saying holyflare sets up a df lynch tomorrow is bad. Because i am apparently mafia so noone cares about df lynch tomorrow anyways.

We dont lynch the opposing wagon just because it wad the opposing wagon. Thats where you go wrong.

On May 11 2017 05:14 Skynx wrote:

Pls stop, if not people are gona follow HF into mislynching you, then we're gona realise it was grack all along and mislynch him aswell and then blame HF for everything into clean sweep for mafia.

On May 15 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
skynx how the fuck can you call me mafia with fuba

what the actual shit

On May 15 2017 04:17 Holyflare wrote:
why does everyone think palmar is town?

On May 15 2017 05:21 Vivax wrote:
Yup I'm getting skynx

On May 15 2017 05:37 fuba wrote:

Shared them with HF I think.

On May 15 2017 05:48 Palmar wrote:

This is a bad lynch Skynx, find another one.

On May 15 2017 05:47 fuba wrote:

While voting for Vivax?

K. Got my vote.

On May 15 2017 05:50 Vivax wrote:
Well half an hour is a lot but what I want to say is:

There was a wagon going, mafia skynx didn't know where to put his vote, so he cooked up his own little case based on one post. End of story. There is no hint of past evaluation.

On May 15 2017 05:50 Palmar wrote:

Mafia can't lynch fuba at current. As much as me and HF dislike each other we're both protesting a fuba lynch and I think that pull is too much.

On May 15 2017 05:53 Holyflare wrote:
how the fuck am i a pretender?

On May 15 2017 05:54 Palmar wrote:

Dude this is not how mafia works.

We try to lynch mafia. Fuba is very unlikely to flip one

On May 15 2017 20:11 Vivax wrote:


Your vote is your effect and you haven't been placing it on your scumread you piled it onto HF instead cause you were expecting fuba to be a mislynch.

On May 16 2017 04:17 Vivax wrote:
This is skynxs first scum game if you are town you can literally just read him and know what a textbook scum looks like lmao. Maybe you'll learn something you clearly have to

On May 16 2017 05:22 Vivax wrote:
But tbh if he's scum he might just have spewed you town Grack.

On May 16 2017 05:36 LightningStrike wrote:
Welp the day is killed but very good job why did you check TW over me or anyone else?

On May 16 2017 05:45 Holyflare wrote:
wasn't palmar like your top town read btw? why was he your check?

On May 16 2017 06:59 Tumblewood wrote:
why even gloat? it's not like you're going to get your scum partner to claim doc and suicide in the process. the vet will claim as soon as they come back

On May 16 2017 07:30 sicklucker wrote:


if we lynch you and you are town then we lynch two mafia after you. I dont see a problem

On May 16 2017 09:18 Palmar wrote:
btw I'm starting to seriously think LS might be mafia

On May 16 2017 19:17 Vivax wrote:
By now Skynx is 100 % cop if you don't cc it HF. As you are pretty much the only person doubting it.

TWs cc is too convenient as he is the target.That would require a massive amount of luck from Skynx to fake cop check the cop of all people.

On May 16 2017 20:40 Vivax wrote:




zzz same as skynx with his SL read.

On May 18 2017 01:29 Holyflare wrote:
Skynx and palmar.

On May 19 2017 02:52 sicklucker wrote:
im a dick but I wouldnt afk vote my best partner day 1

On May 19 2017 04:52 Holyflare wrote:
it's your own fault for not trusting me