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On May 10 2017 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Prison Break smurf or from somewhere else? I've played around 10 games on duelistgroundz and around 3-4 on mafiascum. Also some epicmafia but that does't count, so I'm prob not the most experienced player but definitely not new either. Did read the "how to improve" and "guide to mafia" posts and joined this site because it seemed like a competitive place to play mafia and I saw the site has done pretty decent over the last few mafia universe championships iirc | ||
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On May 10 2017 16:11 sicklucker wrote: its page two lets not get hostile now I don't like this post You come in here, don't take sides or stances, make a general comment to seem townie and helpful by solving a fight (yet you don't really solve it, because you set it up in a way that you keep all your options open), then you leave again (?) Your vote is on Fuba, yet you lack explanation, again, leaving your options open. You could go "it was pressure" or "it was a joke" or "RVS", but at the same time if a wagon on fuba starts you could spin it like it was your intention all along I think you're scum | ||
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On May 10 2017 08:10 Damdred wrote: Probably right, I missed you and your witty love HF. I kinda think Rayn is town for a bad reason that has no real basis What's the "bad reason" you townread Rayn? Do you still hold your reads on Rayn being town, and "LS is obvious scum", or were these joke reads? If so I'd like to know your thoughts now | ||
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On May 12 2017 04:13 fuba wrote: Is Prison Break around? I liked what he was saying earlier, but haven't heard his wisdom in so long  I'm here but I'm still catching up Getting used to all the new names etc. and keep looking back for possible connections I'll drop my reads once I'm catched up - still don't like sicklurker fwiw, and I liked you for joining it | ||
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The fact that there's not 1 big wagon means we've prob caught at least 1 or 2 scum, and scum is now trying to spread the votes between multiple people so that it's less obvious as to who it is If 1 townie received 2-3 votes + heat, you'd expect scum to push it harder and it to form 1 big wagon on them, but right now that's not happening so we may be on the right track | ||
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On May 12 2017 21:44 Vivax wrote: Oh you think they are both mafia? Why did fubz pick out your case out of all the possible targets he could have picked in the thread especially? No only sicklurker but it's possible that at least one of the people who attacked fuba, is a scummate of sicklurker I don't think sicklurker and fuba are ever scum together here, I rule that out | ||
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Grackaroni (2) - Palmar, sicklucker sicklucker (2) - Prison Break, fuba Vivax (1) - raynpelikoneet darthfoley (3) - Damdred, Tumblewood, Grackaroni Damdred (4) - darthfoley, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Skynx Skynx (1) - Vivax Not voting (0) - Damdred is the lynch! According to my theory that "we prob catched 1-2 scum, and scum is now trying to spread the votes so it's not obvious who it is and they can control the lynch at any moment", combined with the fact that Damdred was the lynch and flipped town, I want to look at the people that were on the vote, that were also a possible target. People on the vote: darthfoley, LightningStrike, Holyflare, Skynx Alright let's look at the reasons why they voted So darthfoley has 3 votes, and Damdred has 4 votes, so at this point it's likely both are town because if they were scum, scum could've pushed the others harder, which makes me think scum could be between the people with 1 or 2 votes. Townread on darthfoley, based on this analysis Both Holyflare and Skynx were late on the Damdred lynch, so both are suspicious. darthfoley was also on damdred, but if damdred was scum he could have switched to another target rather than having 2-3 scum pile on the same person. There's probably a townie with like 2 townvotes in there, so why not use 1-2 scum to pile onto it, which also gives additional momentum for others to join and to form a big wagon? This makes my townread on dartfoley stronger. Holyflare very looks bad for coming in and dropping the vote, Skynx looks bad for dropping the final vote. As for LightingStrike, I like LightingStrike. He looks town. He's been calling out Holyflare and pressuring him a long time. I can't see it being scum/scum. I can see it being LightningStrike town, Holyflare scum. I also like how LightningStrike pushes Sicklurker as well, I think if sicklurker was town he had been the lynch day 1, like it seems scum is just trying to steer direction away from him everytime so he doesn't get lynched. Sicklurker also with the 180 on me, first he townreads me and says it's likely for people from other sites to scumread him (aka trying to get me to drop my case against him) - then he goes "he didn't re-evaluate, so he's scummy". I did re-evaluate, I just came to the same conclusion. The fact you townread me at first after I scumread you is already weird, but then your 180 on me is even weirder, only makes sense from a scum PoV Posts from LightningStrike such as "why you guys trying to settle on to lynching low activity players? Why can't we lynch HF?" seem like actively trying to keep town into the good direction, where as scum you would want to keep town going after inactives (because, then you can just up your activity and join the hunt for inactives. it's an easy strategy for scum to bandwagon on town being bad and imploding, so trying to keep town in the right direction is major townpoints.) Let's look at an earlier vote-count: vote-count 3: Holyflare (1) - LightningStrike Grackaroni (2) - Palmar, sicklucker sicklucker (2) - Prison Break, fuba darthfoley (2) - raynpelikoneet, Vivax Damdred (1) - Grackaroni Skynx (1) - darthfoley As to be seen here, if we assume there's 2 scum between (holyflare, sicklurker, skynx), then it makes sense that Damdred was the counterwagon to it. This vote-count does not prove anything, but like I said it's highly likely 1-2 scum were between these, and we know darthfoley-damdred aren't it, according to my reads. I want to look more into Skynx before I give me opinion - does this site have an ISO fuction? Right now I'm going control f people's names but it's not the most effective way in the world, ugh.. Though Skynx pushed both sicklurker and holyflare so based on connections, it's likely that he's town or bussing, so I'm leaning Skynx on being town I also want to look into Grackaroni as well, but sicklurker pushed him though, so prob not a team We should kill Sicklurker and Holyflare 100%, will vote either of them | ||
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On May 13 2017 01:50 Holyflare wrote: Hm also: If that's your theory why do you begin looking for mafia in the people on the wagon? Also you can press the filter button under a person's post and see alll their posts. That was my theory earlier on, when everyone had 1-2 votes. Obviously as end of day nears, people want to push 1 townie for the mislynch, and in this case your last vote looked very bad | ||
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On May 13 2017 02:14 LightningStrike wrote: All I said was I would try to get read him around Day 2 since he hard to read Day 1 since he doesn't play Day 1's. Alright "push" is an overstatement, but from my PoV, as far as making reads go, I liked the fact you had the same concern as me (not liking his day 1), therefore I can see you being town because we think alike | ||
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So by killing Damdred instead of darthfoley, it sets up the fact people will likely want to lynch darthfoley the next day I'm getting flood control'd btw since my acc is new lol | ||
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I'm confident your vote makes sense as scum, less confident it makes sense as town | ||
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On May 13 2017 03:32 Holyflare wrote: But i had a reason to vote damdred and you haven't even acknowledged it? Like, what is the alternative here if I didn't vote damdred? Nobody gets lynched? Darthfoley yoir town read dies? Wut So if you have a reason to vote that makes you town? both town and scum have reasons to vote people. if the lynch was between 2 people I townread I would defend both of them and push for the scummy person. you're really hiding behind the fact that you were protecting one person you say is town, by going after another person, while ignoring the fact that this makes sense from a scum PoV like I already explained | ||
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On May 13 2017 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Prison Break; The votes do not mean anything unless darthfoley is mafia. People here play quite differently than in other places. I suggest you dont get too hung up on VCA since the starting point of your analysis is already wrong. Basically unless df is mafia scum can (and will) put their votes on who the fuck they want. Noone except for df and Damdred were really in fanger of getting lynched. We know 2 votes in a 13pl game on someone mid-day doesnt mean shit. You really cant tell anything about votes except for that not all 3 mafia most likely voted the same person. well the vote is what caught my attention, but not the reason I scumread him. It's a combination of him being scummy, me townreading others, me seeing him team up with sicklurker (I think they're a scumteam), and the vote also makes sense from a scum PoV are you saying you think it's possible that there's 0 scum on the lynch wagon at all? that it was a townpush? | ||
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Alright why is it bad, and how would you be interpreting the votes? I'm not saying what I say is 100% correct, but I'm going to need an alternative if you disagree, because like I said I can't make meta-reads so I'm mostly looking at votes, connections, and posts that stand out to me as being scummy | ||
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instead of overcompensating and try-hard convincing everyone he's town, he just admits that day 1 isn't his favorite day as long as his story remains true, and his reads become more detailed as the game moves further away from day 1, I'll read him as town for it. don't see this being scum faking it tbh, that'd be a very risky play to say the least | ||
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pretty sure this was a joke claim since it was explained later on that said, if a player such as myself or you was doc here and decided to counterclaim, he could explain it was a meta-joke but scum could still nightkill the real doc who now claimed. I don't like it for one bit, very anti-town | ||
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On May 14 2017 02:04 Holyflare wrote: Also prison break, df is dead now. Your theory has completely fallen apart, any new theories now? What? Df flipping town only confirms my theory that there were 2 leading wagons on town, so we should look into the other voters. Are you saying we were so far off that we had barely any votes on scum at all? I've never seen that, and it's not like no one was caring D1 so I refuse to believe it. I also refuse to believe that there weren't any scumvotes at all on the lynch. your theories seem to grasp at the most unlikely possibilities rather than looking at the facts and what's likely to be the case, which is very scummy to do town looks for probabilities, scum looks for possibilities that aren't likely, but make it seem like they are, and right now you're doing the latter. I still see a team between you & sicklurker as well, now you're pushing fuba? who posts very townie and - also - voted sicklurker? my theory has far from "fallen apart", in fact, it makes more sense now than ever, and you're giving us false information by stating otherwise | ||
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guess who's on the vote.... sicklurker.... reading through the pages now to see how this unfolded. holyflare and sicklurker escaped a lynch yet again.... is this seriously going to be one of those games where I catch scum d1 and then people refuse to lynch them and keep killing townies instead? goddamn this is frustrating... | ||
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On May 14 2017 20:06 Palmar wrote: Actually fuck it rayn is 100% town, but if the hosts are not gonna modkill people for flipping their shit I guess we do it for them. i'm voting rayn. I don't care. ' WTF is this most scummy post so far - I hope you were joking why would you lynch someone you townread ever, that's never justified and we're players not mods. this kind of play really only favors scum so you're either scum or bad town .... lynch scumreads please | ||
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got Palmar lean town still disagree with policy lyches ever, can't stand them and won't encourage them ever either | ||
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On May 15 2017 02:01 Skynx wrote: I dunno man nothing makes sense anymore this game based on posts like this I'll townread Skynx I've never seen mafia play so honest where they outright state being confused etc. it's always town who's lost and loses interest who actually states this, from my experience. mafia wants to be taken seriously, they wouldn't discredit their own reads like this | ||
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Initially SickLurkers post that caught my intention, was, a 100% scumtell. I don't care if he explained/changed it up AFTER I catched it.... what do you expect, do you expect him as scum to go "yeah I was being vague - and after being called out, I'm going to remain vague", no, of course he's going to disprove it! Fuba joined on the vote.... got lynched .... sicklurker was on the vote... like this is just a gutfeel at this point but I just feel like scum is making sicklurker unlynchable, like scum somehow pushed the fuba lynch and keeps steering attetion away from sicklurker - now obviously town is mixed in this as well, and it's hard to decipher who is which, but really just look at what's going on and who's pushing who I also feel like scum is disproving my points - although town doe as well, simply by the sheer numbers of people who do so, but looking at which directions the lynches are going, and which directions the past 3 wagons went that have all flipped town by now (the 2 lynches+ the nightkill), this kind of proves my point and I've been trying to say they were town and made theories but people either disagreed without explaining why, or, they agreed but interpreted it wrongly sicklurker literally OMGUS'd fuba back... townread me for my push on him at first (?) then later on he brought up me being scummy (??) , yet isn't pushing me, which shows he just wanted to see if town was ready to bite, which they weren't. testing the waters there, it seemed I agree with who-ever said we need to form townblocks now because 3 votes on a mislynch... could've been 3 scum and no one would've known, that's really bad, we need to form wagons of 6-7 votes per person, which gives more information + puts WAY more pressure on scum... if scum can keep dodging lynches by creating a 3-person wagon, because their team has 1-2 votes on them, that's peanuts for scum. start a 5-6 person wagon. PUT SCUM FOR THE TEST. will they bandwagon, defend, bus? either is good because either gives information. right now town is too devided and it doesn't gain information I think sicklurker is most consistently scummy and he should be the priorty lynch. really he has done nothing townie whatsoever since I called him out, and too many people either townread, defend him or steer attention away everytime he's mentioned, to the point where scum HAS to play a role in that.. once sicklurker flips scum we need to look into these question marks and look at the people who: - steered away attention - were vague on him - pushed the most people who flipped town - joined/defended or ignored him for seemingly insincere reasons - were the 1-2 voters because that's where scum wants to steer attention away from.... then, the people who hit the most out of these checkmarks will be our lynchpool. then we cut the obvious townreads, and then the poule should be small enough to have a high chance of lynching scum. like 3-4 people out of which 2 are scum, or like 2 people out of which 1-2 scum, etc. that's how I think scum should be lynched, which will the highest percentage chance of finding scum. right now, town seems LOST, and people scumread each other based off EMOTIONAL reasons, and really people are way too divided and aren't thinking about the game clearly. we need to change that up. think someone is scum? alright make a case. I just learned "filter" means "ISO" so I will be able to filter anyone now instead of having to do the control f thing I did which took a shitload of time. start cooperating, playing together, looking at the game objectively mixed in with reads, and that's how we can turn this shitty game around and still turn it into a townwin. I think that's possible. but people shouldnt give up and troll, grudge-lynch, fake-claim, etc because none of that is contributing anything to town right now I'm pretty confident in my town and scumreads. There are a few question marks as well that I want to see how they connect and how that develops for now before I'll blaze my guns at them, because after 2mislynches we need a SCUM lynch now, and can't afford to lynch question marks yet IMO | ||
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- skynx claims cop, redcheck on tumblewood - tumblewood counterclaims after getting redchecked (lol), then claims parity cop (claiming different set-up to out the doc?), and claims palmar is different alignment from me. I had palmar as a townread so I don't buy this claim at all easy tumblewood lynch today BETTER YET holy flare comes in asking to get scanned... when people pointed out cop-doc set-up has a framer... so my guess is holyflare is using framer on himself and now tries to draw a scan towards himself... smart scumteam tumblewood holyflare sicklurker, easy game kill tumblewood first to confirm skynx as town so that doc can heal him | ||
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On May 16 2017 22:59 Vivax wrote: If my townread on TW is anything like the townread on PB then he must be mafia What does this sentence mean? TW is mafia, he counterclaimed because he got caught.. claimed different set-up to get doc to out.. if scum fake claimed, what are the odds of the real cop being the one who got checked? Also what does "spew town" mean? I see that phrase being used quite a lot, is it when you try to get town killed or something? | ||
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On May 17 2017 02:08 Vivax wrote: It means that my TR on TW was bad and therefore it could be bad on you too. And spewing town means that a mafia knowing someone is town gives it away in their posts. Are you saying because you were wrong on one read, you're probably wrong on another read as well, and now you're saying that person is a scumteam with them? What kind of shitty logic is that. This is pretty suspicious on your side. Not only did you townread Tumblewood, but instead of eating it up, you use it as some kind of justification to go after another townread as well? Not only that, but you also conclude palmars and my aligment based on tumblewoods filter, without considering the fact scum can pocket townies to make them lynch targets after they flip I also have palmar as a hard townread and you say he's scum as well this is a really fucking scummy post, going to keep an eye on you in case I'm wrong on holyflare or sicklurker, but so far I still like them for scum | ||
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"I was wrong once - so I'm wrong on someone else as well and I will not reverse my reads for no good reason" | ||
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and holyflare seemed extremely paranoid with arguing tumblewood could be town like why would scum ever go on and ramble about that? I can see it being town trying to figure out the set-up, unless if he's scum and wants us to fake it... so the real question is do we believe him or not.. it seemed pretty real though, can't place it in my head as scum going to think he may be town now, just don't think his current play makes sense as scum at all | ||
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Why, you think his play makes sense as scum? I had him as scum prior, but after his recent play I've changed my mind. What's scummy about changing your mind according to new evidence? The tunneling thing is something people often accuse me of, since I'm new here I guess that's not common knowledge yet. | ||
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On May 18 2017 12:41 Grackaroni wrote: HF can be pretty sneaky. But it seems kind of scummy to me because there's too much anguish over dropping a scum read, like you're too worried that we're going to call you out for switching your read on HF. I think it's the "...ugh..." in the middle of the sentence that bothers me. It just feels unnatural to me. I was pretty confident he was scum earlier on. His play is messing with my head. I don't care what others think, I care about being right. I think I'm still right on sicklurker | ||
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town: LS, Palmar, HF scum: Grack or Vivax scum: sicklurker but vivax pushed sicklurker, so grack is more likely. vivax did have a weird post where he'd question why people would lynch sicklurker though, which can be interpreted as softdefending. I really don't like vivax "if my townread on TW is anything like my townread on PB then he must be mafia", that sounded insincere and it's complete bullshit. what's holding me back is that vivax pushes sicklurker now as for grackeroni, he mentioned my post seemed scummy (where I went from scumreading HF to townreading him based on his posting), then when called out on it he basically retracted it pretty fast. seemed like he was trying to see if others would catch on, and when they didn't he kind of dropped it. Very scummy. If HF is town, and I went from scumreading to townreading him, then I can imagine scum being frustrated by that because they obviously want town to kill other town, so I can see this play having a scum motive. Don't see how it makes sense from town though I think 2 scum is between these 3, LS palmar have been townie all game. no way HF is scum and being that paranoid yesterday, that seemed very real and townlike. so yeah I want to lynch between these 3, and I think both scum are between them | ||
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On May 19 2017 01:59 sicklucker wrote: see this is my problem with you. do you want to be right ? or do you want to find mafia. because they are not mutually exlusive. I am not mafia and you have been wrong all game. So are you chasing losses here? or just scum wtf? I want to lynch scum. In order to lynch scum, I must be right on who I lynch. You're completely taking these words out of the context. The context in which I said this was when I said I'd hate myself if HF was scum, to which I got called out (by your possible scummate?) that I was supposedly worried about how I'd look or some BS like that. To which I explained to him, that I'm worried about being right. So within this context, the meanig is obviously that I only want to lynch people that are scum You saying I've been wrong this entire game is a complete misrep. I've been right on multiple things and I'm tunneling you because you're scum. So you're using your alignment as an argument to say I'm wrong - while for all we know, you could be lying about it. So it's not a valid argument. What is a valid argument, though, is that you're outright misleading people with what you're saying and that you made weird flip flops and what not. | ||
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On May 19 2017 02:07 sicklucker wrote: lets just say if im mafia with tumble +1 i would never let those morons kill df who town reads me over others WIFOM self-meta nice argument | ||
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We need to get to a lynch and there's no obvious lynch candidate, so I think SL should be looked into today, as I've been advocating the last 2 days as well. | ||
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On May 19 2017 02:48 sicklucker wrote: you said you want to be right. as in you dont want to change your scum read on me because that would make you wrong. its pretty simple I said I want to be right when I decided on changing my scumread on HF to a townread on him. So I literally changed my read there. The reason I haven't changed my read on you is because you haven't convinced me you're town at all. I think you're scum. You completely misinterpret what I said. I wasn't talking about you in that post at all. | ||
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On May 19 2017 02:52 sicklucker wrote: how is that ever a team honestly. look where my day 1 vote was You outright suggest Grack mafia with 1 of 3, out of which I am one of the 3, when I outright say I want him dead. LOL. So how can we ever be a team? Using your own bad logic against you here... stay consistent please. | ||
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On May 19 2017 22:34 Palmar wrote: I can't even remember what it is that people scumread me for this game btw... I literally have no idea. they think you framed yourself when you got greenchecked lol talking about paranoia | ||
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I thought scum roleblocked HF and killed the cop yes grack says he didn't heal the cop, which is possible, but the problem is how does scum know this? would they seriously kill a cop if they didn't know who the doc was? so I think when HF claimed, this explains it killing palmar seems stupid given the greencheck as well what are the arguments for killing LS? he seems townie to me, don't think he'll flip mafia | ||
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On May 20 2017 01:06 Vivax wrote: It looks like I will have to vote HF anyways cause we need at least 4 votes to secure a lynch against mafia and SL doesn't want to lynch you, ironically you think he can be mafia. When US is online we will see what they say there are plenty of people who want to lynch sicklurker or are you protecting him here? what has he done to make you think he's town | ||
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On May 19 2017 19:29 Palmar wrote: Here's what I'm thinking. If I kill you today and you flip mafia, what happens tomorrow? If the answer to that question is "we lynch SL", I'm perfectly okay with lynching him today, because: a) you have a stupidly long filter (which you always do but still...) b) I'm not 100% convinced you're scum c) sicklucker is far less likely to say smart and useful things should he be the mislynch between you two d) pb has been on his case since day 1, I just read pb's filter and I'm both impressed and kinda want to grant him his lynch I kinda want to help this guy. What do you make of the people who don't want to lynch sicklurker, and want to lynch you despite you having the green check? lightning strike and grack still have their vote on you. I think grack is scum as well as sicklurker. 2 scum should be between sicklurker, vivax and grack. | ||
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On May 20 2017 04:28 Vivax wrote: I don't think you know who you're dealing with when it comes to Palmar and Holyflare. Suffice to say I've been on this site for almost ten years, Palmar even longer. I advise you to sheep someone townie until you know the players a bit better, and fyi I'm currently the uncontested medic claim. I saw 3 doc claims + a lot of "WIFOM/mind gaming scum" You say you're the uncontested medic claim... but I've seen at least 2 other claims as well If everyone will accept you as the doc and retract their claims I'll back off from you as you'd be confirmed town obviously Thing about Palmar and HF seems to be that everyone seems to be tunneling them and I just feel like that's somehing mafia would do.... like leave them alive and let them fight each other because the moment 1 flips, the other will follow soon after Between palmar and HF I'd kill HF first everytime simply because of the palmar green check. Yes, he could be framed, but odds of that are 33%, so in 67% of cases palmar is confirmed town, and in 33% he could literally be either town or scum, basically (aka same as if he weren't checked) I also still don't understand that the cop died. Explain to me, if you were doc why didn't you heal the cop? and why did scum nightkill the cop? Isn't it more likely to assume HF is doc. From your PoV if you're actually doc you know his claim is false, obviously, but from my PoV I can only base my opinion off of what you guys give me, and right now I've seen 3 docclaims and a lot of joking/mindgaming, to the point where I don't know which claim to take seriously anymore | ||
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so with that said, and 3 doc claims, lynch should be between palmar and SL but, say I'm wrong on SL, which I have no reason to believe, but say I'm wrong on him: then I still wonder if palmar is the correct lynch, because it's based entirely on the theory that he framed himself to begin with. It's a possibility, but I don't think it's a probability also why is grack spawned town at all? depending on the scumteam, TW could've said whatever he wanted to, so why are people looking so much into this? I've seen scum leaving "hints" towards who are or aren't their partners in posts in case they flip, to lead town into more mislynches as well. I'm sceptic towards looking into TWs posts like that | ||
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I want us to be able to form 1 big wagon, and not like 1-2 seperate votes on multiple people so that scum can decide the lynch etc. But I need a good case before I'll vote someone, I won't vote someone if I have no reason to believe they're scum | ||
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Why would scum ever shoot the cop if they can rb? I can't make sense out of that. Unless if you're scum and you roleblocked HF? Also did grack retract his claim at all? | ||
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On May 20 2017 05:08 Holyflare wrote: Still not mafia. Calling sicklucker mafia but don't want to lynch him though. Noted. Hey are you claiming doc or not. Or if you're mindgaming and don't want to answer, at least tell me you're mindgaming. Because I can't make reads if I don't know who is even claiming what anymore | ||
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On May 20 2017 05:11 Vivax wrote: I'm confident that TW was the type of mafia that hard townread towns and left everyone else including his buddies and his daily mislynch at something more obfuscate. What do you base this one? Link me to earlier mafia games where he did this? | ||
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On May 20 2017 05:19 Vivax wrote: He's mentioning all players currently alive here, including yourself and a flipped rayn as town. The only ones he keeps at a waffly level are Palmar, HF, me and SL and to a small extent you. And those are exactly who I'm aiming to lynch this game. Always 1 scum in Palmar and HF and if we don't win, then we get SL. Also this heavily implies one or both of Palmar and HF. Sorry but if you don't see that TW had trouble not keeping his perfect information out of his posts, I don't know how to explain it better to you. So you're aiming to lynch palmar, HF, SL, and maybe me? And somehow this should convince me that you're town? You're stretching. You're either doc or scum which is the reason you're never the lynch today, but your logic is bad You could've easily told him to do that btw because you keep bringing it up now... also you didn't link me to earlier games, where HF did | ||
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outside of cherry picking TW's posts please, I don't buy that | ||
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On May 20 2017 12:25 sicklucker wrote: vivax is the doctor... hell I even soft claimed doctor your so tunneled its insane what, you softclaimed doc? so we have 4 doc claims? like I said I'll buy vivax being doc if and only if grack and HF acknowledge this as well I'm here | ||
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and right now I only receive mystery and sandbagging, nothing I can work with | ||
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if HF unclaims I'll take vivax as confirmed town if not, it's between the 2 of them, and vivax isn't looking good at all. only reason I'd consider him town is if HF unclaims | ||
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I'll vote HF because I don't want scum to decide the lynch Still not convinced you're town for the record but I'm not going to be able to convince 4 people after I've already brought up all arguments, and we need a lynch. If HF flips scum you'll receive townie points for pushing it through though At least this lynch is better than palmars because palmar got greenchecked day 1, which gives him over 67% of being town (can only frame 1 of the 3 members, aka 33% it was palmar) | ||
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But no way we're not lynching HF after everyone wants him dead + he retracted being doc So vivax being doc, palmar being green checked. If it's not grack then it must be LS + SL | ||
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If HF Flips scum then SL is town | ||
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We need to come to a consensus once HF flips I don't think they're a likely team tbh | ||
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I think he's scum regardless of HF's flip tbh If HF is scum I can see him bussing here because if HF dies, it makes LS look better If HF is town then everyone voting him (and palmar before) instead of LS/SL is something to be concerned about | ||
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Sicklurker is clear for pushing HF over others extremely hard Palmar had green check + opposed HF entire game so also clear Vivax doc | ||
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On May 21 2017 20:44 Vivax wrote: This is what you call a checkmate by the way. Nobody can ever argue against this, it's cristalline, hard logic. While I understand the frustration for being scumread for this without a chance to defend yourself, it's the nail in the coffin and nothing else is required. While this is indeed a strong argument that makes me want to consider Palmar again, there are 3 even stronger reasons why I won't, and they are: - palmars green check which means even if he's mafia - there's only 33% chance he framed himself - palmar has raised a good point where he said that HF is mafia, and based on palmars play himself it seems townie - HF suiciding and wanting LS dead is something I interpret it as him trying to get people to townread LS and it's working. I also didnt like LS' posting that day I don't think I'd ever vote palmar here | ||
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Apparently not TW because of the red check. You'd assume they frame the same person every night for consistency' sake. So between HF and Palmar which one is the better frame? | ||
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On May 22 2017 02:44 Vivax wrote: Why do you assume that mafia picks the frame randomly? Palmar is the roleblocker, had some soft suspicion on him D1, and is generally speaking the most experienced player in the game, with mafias strongest role. He gets checked N1. Do you think that he didn't see that coming? To be honest I didn't think about it that way. In general when someone gets green checked I auto-assume it's correct because often it is, and stuff like godfather, or in this case, framer, are often unlikely. If you guys are certain they'd frame palmar over HF i'd have to reconsider... But it still seems strange that HF would connect to palmar so obviously by outright wanting anyone dead except him? Not sure what to think about that tbh. Palmars posts today seem very townie to me | ||
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But I think HF would be trying to kill his teammate there. Because defending makes palmar look bad if HF flips, he seems like a good player so he'd do the opposite. Like he would probably attack LS Because it's so unexpected and people would assume palmar scum instead of LS... which is exactly what he wants. And setting up a mislynch before or after your death is about as good - but this way, he'd also make LS look townier. So I'm inversing my immediate thoughts (defending = scummates), because HF seems like the type to do the opposite. Basically what palmar says: mafia is manipulating people, and intentionally pocketing townies etc. I really doubt palmar would flip mafia to be honest. | ||
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On May 24 2017 03:00 LightningStrike wrote: I am but I don't have a solid case on it and he OMGUS his vote on me when I mention there still a chance he's scum. Misrepresentation of what's happening. Read today. I wanted to lynch you or Grack,leaning you. sicklurker adviced me to vote grack. I said I would only go with it if no one wanted you. Which sicklurker assured me. Then palmar voted you, so sicklurkers statement that no one else wanted you, is false. Then I voted you. If anything, you OMGUS me. | ||
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On May 24 2017 02:35 Grackaroni wrote: PB why did you dislike HF during the start of the game? I can't quite follow it in your filter but in the first few pages you consistently have SL as #1 and HF #2 scum. Combination of a few things. I did post an analysis of my thought process and how the lynches were decided. I didn't think they seemed scummy. Holyflare came in late with the bandwagon vote which made him look bad. At the moment his vote + my townread on others meant that holyflare and sicklurker were most likely scum, because holyflare had 2 votes as well at some point, and it was likely that scum was steering attention away from themselves. Then later on, it seemed like everytime I wanted to push sicklurker or HF, someone would come in and steer attention away, and everytime I mentioned sicklurker, HF would come in and continuously say I should look elsewhere, etc. which I took as soft-defending sicklurker, which reinforced my idea of them being a team together. I could go into more detail if you want, but what's important now is that I don't think sicklurker is scum, simply because he hard pushed the HF lynch. I still think his day 1/2 were scummy, but I rule him out purely based on HF's flip, so his day 1/2 doesn't really matter anymore. | ||
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Really I think lightningstrike's response here is terrible but if people want a Grack lynch I'll go with it. I think we won't lose as long as we don't lynch palmar. HF - Palmar scumteam seems almost as bad as a SL - HF scumteam, I don't understand how SL is so convinced palmar is scum. SL - why are you so damn convinced? You told me to stop tunneling you, and I did (although it took a HF flip for me to realize it), maybe it's time for you to stop tunneling palmar now. And if Palmar was scum, he could have teamed up with Grack and LS to lynch me as well, instead he chose to defend me, which gives him town points. Unlike LS who jumps on ASAP. | ||
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Read my posts for today please, and the reason I unvoted you. I had my vote on you and stated intent to lynch you today. I only unvoted - voted again because of whether or not other people wanted you as well, because I can't singlehandedly lynch you, and we need to form a strong vote block today. | ||
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Now THAT is suspicious | ||
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On May 24 2017 04:48 LightningStrike wrote: That and TW did spew Grack as town as well as spewing me town. And if you were scum with him, what stops you from telling him to spew you town? You're an experienced player, so you could easily tell him to do this, and then you could use it to your advantage as you're doing now. | ||
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On May 24 2017 06:07 LightningStrike wrote: PB why you didn't switch your vote to Grack and instead kept your vote on me without trying to push for my lynch? I explained why I think you are scum over Grack already. Grack wanted to find out my alignment but you hopped on. I prefer to vote scum over town, and I think you have a bigger chance of being scum so I vote you. I did push you and defend palmar multiple times today and I asked sicklurker why he was so convinced. I'm not a god, I can't stop a lynch if 3 people are set on it. I think you're the last scum. | ||
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On May 24 2017 06:16 LightningStrike wrote: You know you wasted your vote by not trying to get a 2nd wagon on Grack or not being on Palmar? I wasted my vote? Lol I voted you, then voted Grack when someone voted him, voted you again when someone voted you. But everyone kept tunneling palmar and the majority of votes were on him. And now you try to blame me for it lol. | ||
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On May 24 2017 06:19 LightningStrike wrote: Dude you knew I was open on a potential grack lynch yet you didn't try to vote him EoD why you think I tried to ask sicklucker if he was here? Alright but let's say you're mafia. And you want to kill Grack over Palmar. Why should I let you? I know everyone wants Palmar dead so if Grack flips town, and Palmar goes next, you win. So I am not going to cooperate with my #1 scumread How about you convince me you're town before I start cooperating votes with you? Your plan only makes sense if I assume you are town, which is something I did not assume, and still don't assume. I'm not tunneled on you, but I think you look worse than Grack, and I think SL looks the best. | ||
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On May 24 2017 06:24 LightningStrike wrote: If you thought Palmar was town why not attempt to convince me to switch votes to Grack at that time even if you thought I was scum? Because I prefer people kill Palmar then you, over killing Grack then Palmar, because you're a higher scumread for me than grack is What part is hard to understand? I have a question for you as well: why vote someone you didn't want to lynch. I know you're going to blame me or sicklurker for not being around but you could've coordinated with Palmar and you could've made your intentions clear earlier. I made my intentions clear during the entire day, but only last moment do you want to switch, and most of your arguments are made after Palmars flip, it's like you're overcompensating and making up excuses for being on the vote | ||
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If Lightning Strike is scum -> he would nightkill me, and try to convince sicklurker that Grack is scum. If Grack was scum -> he'd leave me alive, most likely. So this points towards Grack being more likely scum. But could be WIFOM as well. But if LightningStrike were scum, would he really nightkill sicklurker over me? I don't think that makes sense at all, which is mainly what's pointing me towards Grack right now. | ||
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Grackaroni, what are your thoughts? | ||
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This is a bit awkward. Trying to distance from the nightkill? Why would you want to be nightkilled? Shows to be not invested in this game at all, couldn't care less. Also, where are you now? If I had to decide right now my vote would be on you. | ||
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Like no way lightning would leave me alive after I stated intent to kill him (and sicklurker stated no intent at all) | ||
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it doesn't help that he's willing to switch to me now, because if he thinks lightningstrike is scum, then it's better to try to convince me to lynch lightningstrike instead, but he gave up pretty quickly on that after I made my intention clear I want to see gracks flip because I think we won this game. him saying I played brilliant if I was scum but bad if I was town could be a method to manipulate me into unvoting, because no one wants to be called bad on their first game, obviously. but I'm not going to fall for that I just can't see lightningstrike leaving me alive here, so it's pretty auto from my PoV | ||
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I actively tried to get sicklurker killed throughout the game I have not been active as the same people due to time zones mainly, so often when I was online others weren't, and when others were I wasn't. but I've pushed sicklurker a lot. I didn't push you as much because I was less certain, that was more a possibility, not a hard read. I associated HF and sicklurker because of early interactions (HF kept telling me to look elsewhere), but when sicklurker hard bussed HF I knew I was obviously wrong. I don't think scum would kill him there, as they could've easily killed palmar for example, it didn't make sense for them to be a team based on that | ||
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On May 27 2017 04:02 Grackaroni wrote: I just don't like that I'm the only one filtering. I think it would be really clever if as scum you pushed LS and then killed SL and flipped based off that. Since LS already wanted to kill me before it basically ensures that I get lynched. wouldn't it be smarter to leave my options open as scum? the flipflop could also be seen as suspicious. I don't think my play would be good from a scum PoV I read through the filters but nothing in it changed my mind. yes, HF pushed lightningstrike which could be scum vs scum, but that still doesn't explain the sicklurker nightkill over myself, so it is not strong enough for me to think lightningstrike is scum now | ||
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- sicklurker specifically didn't tell scum what he was going to do, so leaving him alive would be a gamble - I have been stubborn this game, so would lightningstrike really assume that I was going to change my mind based on this reasoning? it's wifom nonetheless | ||
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I think HF played really well and got alive=scummed, even if this wasn't a good game for his standards (according to others, I haven't read his other games) I'm glad we won of course, but I'm especially glad because we seemed to be starting out fine, then TW got redchecked and HF got alive=scummed, so I got nervous for a second there. Getting the cop nightkill through was crucial here. We actually RB'd palmar and thought he was the doc when we did that - so we got it right for the wrong reason, but it helped a lot also part of the reason of my inactivity was because I was scum, but part of it was also because I had to get used to all the names and the site meta etc. so I was legit overwhelmed and had to read things multiple times before I could comment I think the hardest part was that I was so townread, that I had to find an excuse to not be nightkilled, which is kind of why I did the 180 from LS to grack, because it would at least explain why grack would leave me alive also didn't understand the palmar lynch and what's up with everyone not reading the game though, lol | ||
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