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Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 09:47 GMT

#2177

On May 19 2017 18:15 Holyflare wrote:
I will work with you palmar but that doesn't mean I trust you. I legit want to figure this out.

No no, we're gonna do the thing where you agree I am 100% town to the end of time and then we can talk.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 10:13 GMT

#2179

On May 19 2017 18:48 Holyflare wrote:
If you're town too then that's your own fault for not convincing people well enough.

Yeah but there is a point where I think the name is just getting massive amounts of dust in people's eyes and it feels unfixable.

Is there even one person aside from the cop who checked me who has consistently townread me all game?

When I play perfectly normally, no trolling, just scum and townhunting and explaining my reads, along with having a greencheck, and I still find myself in a position where 5/7 players in the thread (the 4 votes plus you who said you'd be happy to see me die) think I'm mafia, I just don't know how much more I can do.

If I was anyone else I would be the most townread person in the game. And it's not like dead people thought I was town either. df, rayn wanted to kill me. I guess damdred didn't?

I am basically convinced the game is unplayable unless the meta shifts drastically. The "lynch Palmar" reflex in TL has always been strong, but this game has been something else completely.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 10:23 GMT

#2183

PB's filter is really good, his approach is a bit mechanical but if SL is mafia that guy is vindicated even harder than I am for all my townreads and just being a good guy in general.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 10:24 GMT

#2184

On May 19 2017 19:20 Holyflare wrote:
You think that's not me every game lol?

it's all of us every game, but the green check ignorance pisses me off. Especially since that should at least allow people to put their suspicions of me on the backburner for a while. But instead they're out in full force.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 10:26 GMT

#2186

On May 19 2017 19:24 Palmar wrote:

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Like I can accept people suspecting me for a while in games, but I get mad when I don't gain the benefit of the doubt when I mechanically should be town.

I mean, even aside from the greencheck, I also have been so goddamn spot on with my townreads this game (df, rayn, vivax, fuba, skynx and hopefully pb) that I should have some leeway based on just that.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 10:29 GMT

#2190

On May 19 2017 19:26 Holyflare wrote:
5vs2 now

If we kill SL and he's town then 3vs2 and tomorrow is lylo with vivax or whatever dying.

If he's mafia then that's basically gg. I don't think the final mafia can hide for more cycles, it's getting pretty tight for them.

Here's what I'm thinking.

If I kill you today and you flip mafia, what happens tomorrow?

If the answer to that question is "we lynch SL", I'm perfectly okay with lynching him today, because:

a) you have a stupidly long filter (which you always do but still...)
b) I'm not 100% convinced you're scum
c) sicklucker is far less likely to say smart and useful things should he be the mislynch between you two
d) pb has been on his case since day 1, I just read pb's filter and I'm both impressed and kinda want to grant him his lynch

On May 15 2017 10:32 Prison Break wrote:
FUCK why did we lynch fuba, he was a HARD townread + I explained this, and he ALSO went after sicklurker d1

guess who's on the vote.... sicklurker....

reading through the pages now to see how this unfolded. holyflare and sicklurker escaped a lynch yet again....

is this seriously going to be one of those games where I catch scum d1 and then people refuse to lynch them and keep killing townies instead? goddamn this is frustrating...

I kinda want to help this guy.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 10:31 GMT

#2191

The one thing that makes me hesitate lynching SL instead of you, is that we have to be absolutely certain cause my idea of a good weekend is not a shouting match with you. That is a nightmare scenario.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 10:32 GMT

#2192

So go read LS, SL and Grack, and make sure you come back with completely convinced we have the right lynch.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 13:21 GMT

#2220

On May 19 2017 19:55 Holyflare wrote:
I don't even think palmar is calling it a slip there.

I'm not, just being happy about someone actually recognizing me with a town read.

He then promptly voted me the next day so who knows.

also, claiming medic on day 2 was 100% slip that he knows the setup.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 13:23 GMT

#2221

On May 19 2017 20:01 Holyflare wrote:
Don't blame me at all for your shortcomings. You lynch SL and grow a pair.

We had a chance to lynch Palmar 2 cycles ago. Two cycles. And guess what? We didn't.

So now we don't lynch him and we lynch SL.

the tone of this post is ok...

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 13:30 GMT

#2222

On May 19 2017 20:07 Vivax wrote:
Palmar's reasoning for tdoay is btw:

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"HF can be mafia but since we would lynch SL tomorrow if HF is mafia today, we lynch SL today instead, and here are arguments for HF being town: bsbsbs, and also cause I want to be friends with this PB dude"

You think it's not a valid line of reasoning? If everyone is assuming that the next 3 people to die will be SL me and HF, then it's completely irrelevant in what order we do it.

I like HF, and I want to not do to him what everyone does to me, which is to play with so much fear that I can never work with him. It's completely counterproductive.

There exists a very real possibility the scumteam 2/3 of sl/grack/ls (most likely 1 and 3).

We have one mislynch left, and I'm going to lynch the guy I think has the highest chance of flipping mafia. I'm actually debating to myself if it is possible that that person is indeed SL and not HF.

I might be convincing myself of some bullshit but meh.

I can't decide right now.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 13:32 GMT

#2223

I wish I could go back in time and read SL's filter before I read PB's one....

I feel like I'm not giving SL much of a chance here.

But maybe that's just a good thing.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 13:33 GMT

#2224

And tbh, until I read more, me lynching SL over LS (if we're working under the assumption that I'm getting cold feet about killing hf), would basically be just sheeping PB. I have no real justification why SL is worse than LS

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 13:34 GMT

#2225

I can't even remember what it is that people scumread me for this game btw... I literally have no idea.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 13:35 GMT

#2226

Like my fear is very simple. If we lynch HF and he flips town the game is over. The rest of these morons will lynch me and we just lose instantly.

So I need to lynch mafia today.

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 13:42 GMT

#2230

It's somewhat interesting that here's everything LS has said about his preferred lynch (me) for the last few days:

On May 19 2017 10:20 LightningStrike wrote:

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You think we should lynch HF over Palmar atm?

On May 19 2017 06:11 LightningStrike wrote:

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Kill Palmar first then we could do it :o

On May 19 2017 05:45 LightningStrike wrote:
I guess that settles it we should lynch Palmar although I still a bit confused about the medic claim stuffs why it even happened.

On May 19 2017 04:45 LightningStrike wrote:
We lynching Palmar tomorrow and we likely can figure out the last partner then :D

On May 19 2017 04:44 LightningStrike wrote:
HF claiming medic I guess that makes it a bit easier for me to figure out the scum between him and Palmar :D

On May 19 2017 00:07 LightningStrike wrote:
Also low chance that Tumblewood put his partners in his townreads for the same reason why I don't think both HF and Palmar are his teammates is because it wouldn't leave much wiggle room for him to lynch outside his partners if both them are his townreads so very likely 1 townread of his is a teammate and and other is in his scumreads of HF and Palmar. Anyways I disagree with lynching Grack right away as I think higher chance of us hitting scum in Palmar vs HF as I think 1 of those 2 are a partner of Tumblewood for said reasons.

On May 19 2017 00:01 LightningStrike wrote:
I found it interesting that HF did call out TW being scum Day 1 in this post:

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At the time no one was really scumreading Tw that heavily if I recalled thus maybe HF get some extra credit? Also I can confirm that Palmar did ask Tumblewood to build a town case on Grack but Tumblewood didn't could be a lead? Considering I think there was 1 partner of his in his townreads and 1 in his scumreads because I doubt both of his scumreads were his partners unless he tried to do a soft bus of the century on his entire team.

On May 18 2017 06:30 LightningStrike wrote:

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You think Framer didn't frame Palmar and tried to frame someone else?

On May 15 2017 05:34 LightningStrike wrote:

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I don't know >.< Maybe Palmar but only if Rayn flips town and on because on haven't done much.

There is literally 0 reasons to suspect me. It's all just stupid ranting about "we must lynch Palmar"

Palmar

Iceland22632 Posts

May 19 2017 13:45 GMT

#2231

On May 19 2017 22:40 Vivax wrote:
You should have a clear idea of where we are standing and who has to be lynched next in order to win, and you should know that it's HF (from a PoV where you are town,but you are not, so you don't wanna) . Instead you keep playing the insecure, clueless Palmar who keeps saying LS and SL might not be town and that's just not who you are as town.

Town now just has to pull PB and SL together into the same boat and we win. Is SL confirmed town? No. But I guarantee that lynching Palmar, SL and HF wins the game 100 % of the time, where we lynch one of Palmar and HF today and the other two in no particular order.

For me it finally clicked in the head yesterday just before HF claimed doc, for you there is no click to be seen you just keep pretending to be dabbling in the dark.

It's not insecurity you dumbass, it's desire to get things right.

Explain to me what happens if my scumread on HF is wrong, we lynch him today and he flips town. Explain to me what happens after that.