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On April 08 2017 02:20 Koshi wrote:
hahaha. Sorry no. Shape ofcourse. Lynch Shape. I am 100% on that second read.
First Calix
Second Shape.
You never have a good track record with that statement.
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On April 08 2017 02:21 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 02:11 Shapelog wrote:On April 08 2017 02:03 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 08 2017 01:36 Shapelog wrote:Scanning BTDT case: I read it and went to BTDT's filter to check something out + Show Spoiler [wasnt vaild since I missed a post he m…] +From BTDT case on tumble: This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". From BTDT earlier: On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.
##vote Tumblewood do something So banter back then wasnt ok but is now seen as something that can come from a townie? Also reading back he actually took my point about mafia being able to throw together that post lol. but did find this actually: well "doing something" at the current state of affairs would mean just to interact with people and drop opinions, right? darth and rels - yeah. We're not in policy range of things yet so... yeah.
Not sure how to proceed from here on. I am not townreading Koshi yet it's not the same as the last game we played, like there it was super obvious to me that he was scum. And I was right. Might've been just luck but it really felt like scum!Koshi. This time around, I'm not sure.
I'd just wish he'd put more effort into explaining stuff.
Calix -- hmm
the whole Calix Koshi Me thing and then with tumbleweed reiterating on it and shape commenting on it - it's of course easy to form a town circle of five but I don't dare to do that. oh and still, can someone explain what this "sucking up to rayn" thing means I dont understand the town circle comment looking back since he had tumble and calix in or around the scummy range a few posts back. Also
. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.
If he followed thread sentiment, which implies he read the thread, wouldn't he already know calix wasnt scum reading him on that level based off of what. So I dont understand this logic from it. Carrying on. I agree with the last bit - that's why I put a "could be" in front of it. It's hard to back cases up properly without speculating, after all it's a guessing game. The town circle post came off the idea that if 5 out of 11 people are actively discussing without anyone hiding, it would be a good point to start a town circle. It's a nice idea but I didn't dare to form a town circle for obvious reasons, some of them being scumreads/leans. I do actually have a question I want you to pitch in regarding tumble and thread sentiment. How does this post feel to you regarding thread sentiment? nah I'm pretty content with having three reads that I think are right with as little as has happened so far
and what ever happened to that push on koshi Tbh, when you say town circle, everyone you mention automatically goes green for your reads in my eyes. That bolded bit is related to my initial push on Koshi, right? If anything, I'd say it's tackling my initial comment on something being pushworthy, so subtly calling me out.
No that is tumble's post
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On April 08 2017 02:18 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 01:54 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 22:24 darthfoley wrote:On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.
Like, what is Tumble even doing?
* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless)
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment
* BUT ends up calling me bad town
* one more townread on Shape
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla)
This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right?
Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.
His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push.
Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!"
The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum).
Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour.
This part is scummy. You say something he does is NAI the. Proceed to use it as reasoning to scum read TW. Either it's AI or it isn't-- but it makes no sense to claim that it's NAI then use it for AI purposes. Feels like shit clinging to me. Also spends half his post talking about this "meta research on Rels thing" like it's actually an important post. Words to say words Btdt hath been downgraded This part is not scummy. A single town read is not alignment indicative. Dropping THREE townreads and placing the vote on the one player where it is the most easy to do so while not doing anything IS alignment indicative. You're misunderstanding my post or misrepresenting it. And OF COURSE I spend half my post talking about the meta research on Rels thing - because I think it's important. I tried to explain my thought process. You say it's an unimportant post but I find it highly important, especially in the context of the Rels vote. It has no other purpose then to put additional (uncnecessary) justification on his vote. I think this is mafia overjustifying a vote. Voting is mandatory and after all a commitment, and I and others already got called out for pressunring but not voting someone. I'm not misrepresenting you. You were specifically talking about his town read of Shapelog when you made the NAI comment. What am I missing?
I think:
1 townread (shapelog), standalone, is NAI.
3 townreads, in the context of doing nothing else and voting an AFK, is scummy.
More specific:
[quote=darthfoley]You say something he does is NAI the. Proceed to use it as reasoning to scum read TW. Either it's AI or it isn't-- but it makes no sense to claim that it's NAI then use it for AI purposes. Feels like shit clinging to me.[/quote]
I say "Tumblewood townreads Shapelog" as a description of the act that is happening. This action, without context and standalone, is not alignment indicative. But in the context of two more townreads and a AFK vote that is explained in a really weird way, I think it's scum indicative.
Is it clear now?
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On April 08 2017 02:22 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 02:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 08 2017 02:11 Shapelog wrote:On April 08 2017 02:03 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 08 2017 01:36 Shapelog wrote:Scanning BTDT case: I read it and went to BTDT's filter to check something out + Show Spoiler [wasnt vaild since I missed a post he m…] +From BTDT case on tumble: This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". From BTDT earlier: On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.
##vote Tumblewood do something So banter back then wasnt ok but is now seen as something that can come from a townie? Also reading back he actually took my point about mafia being able to throw together that post lol. but did find this actually: well "doing something" at the current state of affairs would mean just to interact with people and drop opinions, right? darth and rels - yeah. We're not in policy range of things yet so... yeah.
Not sure how to proceed from here on. I am not townreading Koshi yet it's not the same as the last game we played, like there it was super obvious to me that he was scum. And I was right. Might've been just luck but it really felt like scum!Koshi. This time around, I'm not sure.
I'd just wish he'd put more effort into explaining stuff.
Calix -- hmm
the whole Calix Koshi Me thing and then with tumbleweed reiterating on it and shape commenting on it - it's of course easy to form a town circle of five but I don't dare to do that. oh and still, can someone explain what this "sucking up to rayn" thing means I dont understand the town circle comment looking back since he had tumble and calix in or around the scummy range a few posts back. Also
. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.
If he followed thread sentiment, which implies he read the thread, wouldn't he already know calix wasnt scum reading him on that level based off of what. So I dont understand this logic from it. Carrying on. I agree with the last bit - that's why I put a "could be" in front of it. It's hard to back cases up properly without speculating, after all it's a guessing game. The town circle post came off the idea that if 5 out of 11 people are actively discussing without anyone hiding, it would be a good point to start a town circle. It's a nice idea but I didn't dare to form a town circle for obvious reasons, some of them being scumreads/leans. I do actually have a question I want you to pitch in regarding tumble and thread sentiment. How does this post feel to you regarding thread sentiment? nah I'm pretty content with having three reads that I think are right with as little as has happened so far
and what ever happened to that push on koshi Tbh, when you say town circle, everyone you mention automatically goes green for your reads in my eyes. That bolded bit is related to my initial push on Koshi, right? If anything, I'd say it's tackling my initial comment on something being pushworthy, so subtly calling me out. No that is tumble's post
I know and in this post, tumble says something in relation to my initial push on Koshi.
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1.Tumblewood
2.Calix
3.Rels
4.Shapelog
5.sicklucker
6.beentheredonethat
7.raynpelikoneet
8.Koshi
9.darthfoley
Where I am at kinda. Honestly feel like I am missing something tbh
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On April 08 2017 02:24 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 02:18 darthfoley wrote:On April 08 2017 01:54 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 22:24 darthfoley wrote:On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.
Like, what is Tumble even doing?
* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless)
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment
* BUT ends up calling me bad town
* one more townread on Shape
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla)
This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right?
Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.
His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push.
Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!"
The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum).
Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour.
This part is scummy. You say something he does is NAI the. Proceed to use it as reasoning to scum read TW. Either it's AI or it isn't-- but it makes no sense to claim that it's NAI then use it for AI purposes. Feels like shit clinging to me. Also spends half his post talking about this "meta research on Rels thing" like it's actually an important post. Words to say words Btdt hath been downgraded This part is not scummy. A single town read is not alignment indicative. Dropping THREE townreads and placing the vote on the one player where it is the most easy to do so while not doing anything IS alignment indicative. You're misunderstanding my post or misrepresenting it. And OF COURSE I spend half my post talking about the meta research on Rels thing - because I think it's important. I tried to explain my thought process. You say it's an unimportant post but I find it highly important, especially in the context of the Rels vote. It has no other purpose then to put additional (uncnecessary) justification on his vote. I think this is mafia overjustifying a vote. Voting is mandatory and after all a commitment, and I and others already got called out for pressunring but not voting someone. I'm not misrepresenting you. You were specifically talking about his town read of Shapelog when you made the NAI comment. What am I missing? I think: 1 townread (shapelog), standalone, is NAI. 3 townreads, in the context of doing nothing else and voting an AFK, is scummy. More specific: [quote=darthfoley]You say something he does is NAI the. Proceed to use it as reasoning to scum read TW. Either it's AI or it isn't-- but it makes no sense to claim that it's NAI then use it for AI purposes. Feels like shit clinging to me.
I say "Tumblewood townreads Shapelog" as a description of the act that is happening. This action, without context and standalone, is not alignment indicative. But in the context of two more townreads and a AFK vote that is explained in a really weird way, I think it's scum indicative.
Is it clear now?
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Oh okay I actually think this is a better point now. I thought Tumble's entrance was good but i agree that he hasn't really done any memorable shit since. If I can't remember anything someones done, that's a problem
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On April 08 2017 02:25 beentheredonethat wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 02:22 Shapelog wrote:On April 08 2017 02:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 08 2017 02:11 Shapelog wrote:On April 08 2017 02:03 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 08 2017 01:36 Shapelog wrote:Scanning BTDT case: I read it and went to BTDT's filter to check something out + Show Spoiler [wasnt vaild since I missed a post he m…] +From BTDT case on tumble: This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". From BTDT earlier: On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.
##vote Tumblewood do something So banter back then wasnt ok but is now seen as something that can come from a townie? Also reading back he actually took my point about mafia being able to throw together that post lol. but did find this actually: well "doing something" at the current state of affairs would mean just to interact with people and drop opinions, right? darth and rels - yeah. We're not in policy range of things yet so... yeah.
Not sure how to proceed from here on. I am not townreading Koshi yet it's not the same as the last game we played, like there it was super obvious to me that he was scum. And I was right. Might've been just luck but it really felt like scum!Koshi. This time around, I'm not sure.
I'd just wish he'd put more effort into explaining stuff.
Calix -- hmm
the whole Calix Koshi Me thing and then with tumbleweed reiterating on it and shape commenting on it - it's of course easy to form a town circle of five but I don't dare to do that. oh and still, can someone explain what this "sucking up to rayn" thing means I dont understand the town circle comment looking back since he had tumble and calix in or around the scummy range a few posts back. Also
. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.
If he followed thread sentiment, which implies he read the thread, wouldn't he already know calix wasnt scum reading him on that level based off of what. So I dont understand this logic from it. Carrying on. I agree with the last bit - that's why I put a "could be" in front of it. It's hard to back cases up properly without speculating, after all it's a guessing game. The town circle post came off the idea that if 5 out of 11 people are actively discussing without anyone hiding, it would be a good point to start a town circle. It's a nice idea but I didn't dare to form a town circle for obvious reasons, some of them being scumreads/leans. I do actually have a question I want you to pitch in regarding tumble and thread sentiment. How does this post feel to you regarding thread sentiment? nah I'm pretty content with having three reads that I think are right with as little as has happened so far
and what ever happened to that push on koshi Tbh, when you say town circle, everyone you mention automatically goes green for your reads in my eyes. That bolded bit is related to my initial push on Koshi, right? If anything, I'd say it's tackling my initial comment on something being pushworthy, so subtly calling me out. No that is tumble's post I know and in this post, tumble says something in relation to my initial push on Koshi.
God im daft.
I thought that was towards everyone talking about koshi not making sense at the time bc I remembered responding to it. Smh.
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On April 07 2017 14:22 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think she is trying to find mafia. She enters into arguments that can never achieve anything and she isn't even trying to achieve anything in those arguments except for discrediting the player on the other side of the argument. hi I checked your filter and 100% of your stuff since sl entered is about sl's entrance post. so I guess my question is what do you hope to get out of pressing on that one post
And again, this statement is false at the time of this post. Because litterly a few moments before, on the same page:
On April 07 2017 14:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think she is trying to find mafia. She enters into arguments that can never achieve anything and she isn't even trying to achieve anything in those arguments except for discrediting the player on the other side of the argument.
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Koshi why is Tumble lock town again? Or is he not lock anymore
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But honestly tho, I dont know who else would be mafia with tumble. Looking at it roughly:
Rels is a odd ball that hasnt posted anything.
Calix maybe but that has to have certain factors involve with it. Also some weird team behavior.
SL i could see.
BTDT: Bus for life -> keep busing -> even more busing -> OMG what a bus -> reverse bus kill. Don't recall either fond of busing that much.
Rayn maybe.
Koshi's early posts with tumble being confirmed town would be very odd.
Darth maybe.
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On April 08 2017 02:43 darthfoley wrote:
Koshi why is Tumble lock town again? Or is he not lock anymore
Ik he considered him on a scum team but ryan made a point to him that tumble wouldnt be mafia i think due ot meta.
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let me look at calix really quickly.
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Yeah, after the explanations on the points koshi's had (banana example) and Ryan's I dont mind Calix being lynched.
Personally I rather have tumblewood and do think some players are giving him the pass.
Rereading time.
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Switching to Calix feels like the easy choice though. Mainly because she isn't around I'm not a big fan. Policy lynch on Rels doesn't feel good, either.
Or, we could consolidate on Tumblewood.
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I don't like that three people haven't voted
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Especially with the shitty deadline for EU time
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On April 08 2017 03:04 beentheredonethat wrote:
Switching to Calix feels like the easy choice though. Mainly because she isn't around I'm not a big fan. Policy lynch on Rels doesn't feel good, either.
Or, we could consolidate on Tumblewood.
#Vote: Tumblewood
Like I said I am fine with either or. I just prefer tumblewood over Calix at this point.
Just looking at his read on you:
On April 07 2017 00:03 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2017 19:47 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 19:45 Calix wrote:On April 06 2017 19:44 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 16:25 Koshi wrote:
Hey rayn, if you don't mind, I am going for a -20 posts D1, 2-3 posts N1, 5 posts D2 and 2 posts N2. Well, unless mafia shoots me like they did the last 5 nights I was alive.
I will read the first 36 hours of the game and give my opinion. With some luck it is different than the last time. Koshi please don't say such things they feel scummy How is that post scummy? "I will do [whatever]" is always scummy. Don't promise, do. this is btw one of the worst entrance sequences I have ever seen - btdt calls koshi scum for making a promise - (even though koshi basically promised to be lazy and he does that every game) - btdt says it's worth a push (1 step removed from a promise) - btdt does not push koshi but I will give him the benefit of the doubt on being scum for now
On April 07 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.
##vote Tumblewood do something how bout you do something first and I do something about that something (I think you are bad town who thinks contributions mean anything. thankfully you are transparent. I think.)
On April 07 2017 03:44 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 03:21 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 07 2017 03:07 Tumblewood wrote:On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.
##vote Tumblewood do something how bout you do something first and I do something about that something (I think you are bad town who thinks contributions mean anything. thankfully you are transparent. I think.) The main difference between us two is that I actually do something: I interact with people (i.e. making myself readable), I drop reads, I push here and pressure there, and I try to stay reasonable. You do nothing. nah I'm pretty content with having three reads that I think are right with as little as has happened so far and what ever happened to that push on koshi
On April 07 2017 04:03 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 03:55 beentheredonethat wrote:On April 06 2017 23:54 Tumblewood wrote:
I feel like a broken clock but I've got a nice mindmeld/townread on calix On April 07 2017 03:12 Tumblewood wrote:
thinking shape is also town. but that read depends a lot on the progression of the thread I was able to find two. What's the third? duh when I called you bad town. you are so righteous
On April 07 2017 14:30 Tumblewood wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 14:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
Lynching sicklucker is also fine. Im not thinking hes town. also my spidey senses are going off on this. *pending further unspecified action*
On April 07 2017 23:25 Tumblewood wrote:anyway I saw this question from 10 pages ago Show nested quote +On April 07 2017 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Where did your townread on him come from in the first place (Tumble)? if you mean btdt, it's because he is super self-righteous even when he is saying something bad and wrong. especially from newer scum I would expect more careful consideration
I am waiting to see what he does next though because he is in limbo right now
On April 07 2017 23:26 Tumblewood wrote:
or more like did next...
He keeps stating your bad town, but keeps hedging/options open on you. I think the most damming of it all is the one with the explanation of how righteous you are means a newer scum wouldnt fit you. But then says you are in limbo, after calling you bad town.
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On April 08 2017 03:13 darthfoley wrote:
Especially with the shitty deadline for EU time
Deadline for me is 9:30 pm so it works well by the time I have to start a new job next week.
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On April 08 2017 03:18 Shapelog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2017 03:13 darthfoley wrote:
Especially with the shitty deadline for EU time Deadline for me is 9:30 pm so it works well by the time I have to start a new job next week.
Well yea it works for me but I think there's only like 3 NA players
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