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beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 16:55 GMT
#661
I will be mislynched anyways. There's no way to circumvent this. As we're all split anyways on 100 wagons, I suppose we simply lynch me right now. Then you don't have to argue about me being town or not.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 16:56 GMT
#662
Only question is will it be sooner or later. Every single player coming to this thread piles another scum read on me, ok fine, I fucked up, played badly, just lynch me and go ahead and try to solve the game.

I'm not really sure how I should continue to defend myself because apparently, whatever I do, I get scumread for it. It's just dumb.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 16:58 GMT
#663
And before anyone comes up and says "drop some reads and contribute" well yeah, it's amazing to drop reads and thoughts if all that happens is that people get picky and try to interpret every single thing as "oh btdt is scum". People are not even trying to discuss what I'm saying, it's currently all about how I am scum. Okay, fine, but then commit and make me a wagon.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 16:58 GMT
#664
And if I hear "bad town" some more times, I'll probably quit playing for a while. I think I got the point by now.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
April 07 2017 16:59 GMT
#665
On April 08 2017 01:51 beentheredonethat wrote:
It's kinda fun though how pretty much everybody says "btdt is scum" yet everybody also goes like "btdt is bad town". At this point, there must be some scummers on me who're just following thread sentiment.

I mean even in my posts on Tumble, people do not read them to see what I have to say on Tumble. Instead, they read them to find reasons to scumread me, see df's post for reference.

Then again, there are no votes on me as of now, instead thread sentiment is going after calix. :/ still in for Tumble.

tbh, I actually I agree with you on certain parts with tumble. I do think he is servely lacking content and honestly, he should have something of some form of original thought in his filter. That I agree with you on. I also think the AFK vote is damm sus. as well at this point as well.

That I see common ground on. There is no reason he shouldn't have any at this point. This wasn't like earlier, where it was like 1.5/8ths of the way through the day phase.

But I do have issues with the cases in certain parts when I read it. Hence why I pointed them out. Either for you or others to reflect on those and either defend or attack those points.

Also if I felt you were def. scum I would of voted you as placeholder rn.

You might of just inspired a thought tho so hold on.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 07 2017 17:01 GMT
#666
Dont be so negative btdt. This game has good players. We figure shit out.
I had a good night of sleep.
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 17:03 GMT
#667
On April 08 2017 01:36 Shapelog wrote:
Scanning BTDT case:

I read it and went to BTDT's filter to check something out
+ Show Spoiler [wasnt vaild since I missed a post he m…] +
From BTDT case on tumble:
This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look".


From BTDT earlier:
On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.

##vote Tumblewood do something


So banter back then wasnt ok but is now seen as something that can come from a townie? Also reading back he actually took my point about mafia being able to throw together that post lol.
but did find this actually:

Show nested quote +
well "doing something" at the current state of affairs would mean just to interact with people and drop opinions, right? darth and rels - yeah. We're not in policy range of things yet so... yeah.

Not sure how to proceed from here on. I am not townreading Koshi yet it's not the same as the last game we played, like there it was super obvious to me that he was scum. And I was right. Might've been just luck but it really felt like scum!Koshi. This time around, I'm not sure.

I'd just wish he'd put more effort into explaining stuff.

Calix -- hmm

the whole Calix Koshi Me thing and then with tumbleweed reiterating on it and shape commenting on it - it's of course easy to form a town circle of five but I don't dare to do that. oh and still, can someone explain what this "sucking up to rayn" thing means

I dont understand the town circle comment looking back since he had tumble and calix in or around the scummy range a few posts back.


Also
Show nested quote +

. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.

If he followed thread sentiment, which implies he read the thread, wouldn't he already know calix wasnt scum reading him on that level based off of what. So I dont understand this logic from it.

Carrying on.

I agree with the last bit - that's why I put a "could be" in front of it. It's hard to back cases up properly without speculating, after all it's a guessing game.

The town circle post came off the idea that if 5 out of 11 people are actively discussing without anyone hiding, it would be a good point to start a town circle. It's a nice idea but I didn't dare to form a town circle for obvious reasons, some of them being scumreads/leans.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
April 07 2017 17:03 GMT
#668
Jesus christ man.

If your town, ik how it feels. Sometimes you get ML over a miscommunication or a thought being taken out of context. Part of the game. All you can do sometimes and post shit and hope people are listening post flip. Or keep making points and get ethos back.

If your mafia, Please stop frailing around and clogging the thread.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 17:03 GMT
#669
On April 08 2017 02:01 Koshi wrote:
Dont be so negative btdt. This game has good players. We figure shit out.

I do realize I'm being sensitive. It's weird, apparently I simply cannot handle a scumread.


"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 07 2017 17:10 GMT
#670
1 hour. and then I will be gone for 96 hours. I am not kidding about that one btw.
I had a good night of sleep.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
April 07 2017 17:11 GMT
#671
On April 08 2017 01:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
I will be mislynched anyways. There's no way to circumvent this. As we're all split anyways on 100 wagons, I suppose we simply lynch me right now. Then you don't have to argue about me being town or not.


I really don't understand your line of thinking. Stop being so woe is me dude. You aren't even the top vote getter ATM yet oh make it sound like you have 7 votes for you.

I do think the wagons need to be more solidified though cuz 2-1-1-1-1 is fuckey
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
April 07 2017 17:11 GMT
#672
On April 08 2017 02:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 01:36 Shapelog wrote:
Scanning BTDT case:

I read it and went to BTDT's filter to check something out
+ Show Spoiler [wasnt vaild since I missed a post he m…] +
From BTDT case on tumble:
This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look".


From BTDT earlier:
On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.

##vote Tumblewood do something


So banter back then wasnt ok but is now seen as something that can come from a townie? Also reading back he actually took my point about mafia being able to throw together that post lol.
but did find this actually:

well "doing something" at the current state of affairs would mean just to interact with people and drop opinions, right? darth and rels - yeah. We're not in policy range of things yet so... yeah.

Not sure how to proceed from here on. I am not townreading Koshi yet it's not the same as the last game we played, like there it was super obvious to me that he was scum. And I was right. Might've been just luck but it really felt like scum!Koshi. This time around, I'm not sure.

I'd just wish he'd put more effort into explaining stuff.

Calix -- hmm

the whole Calix Koshi Me thing and then with tumbleweed reiterating on it and shape commenting on it - it's of course easy to form a town circle of five but I don't dare to do that. oh and still, can someone explain what this "sucking up to rayn" thing means

I dont understand the town circle comment looking back since he had tumble and calix in or around the scummy range a few posts back.


Also

. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.

If he followed thread sentiment, which implies he read the thread, wouldn't he already know calix wasnt scum reading him on that level based off of what. So I dont understand this logic from it.

Carrying on.

I agree with the last bit - that's why I put a "could be" in front of it. It's hard to back cases up properly without speculating, after all it's a guessing game.

The town circle post came off the idea that if 5 out of 11 people are actively discussing without anyone hiding, it would be a good point to start a town circle. It's a nice idea but I didn't dare to form a town circle for obvious reasons, some of them being scumreads/leans.

I do actually have a question I want you to pitch in regarding tumble and thread sentiment.

How does this post feel to you regarding thread sentiment?
nah I'm pretty content with having three reads that I think are right with as little as has happened so far
and what ever happened to that push on koshi


Tbh, when you say town circle, everyone you mention automatically goes green for your reads in my eyes.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
April 07 2017 17:13 GMT
#673
On April 08 2017 02:10 Koshi wrote:
1 hour. and then I will be gone for 96 hours. I am not kidding about that one btw.

Is that over like one whole phase?
I.E. wont you get warned/replaced for inactivity/not voting?
On April 08 2017 02:11 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 01:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
I will be mislynched anyways. There's no way to circumvent this. As we're all split anyways on 100 wagons, I suppose we simply lynch me right now. Then you don't have to argue about me being town or not.


I really don't understand your line of thinking. Stop being so woe is me dude. You aren't even the top vote getter ATM yet oh make it sound like you have 7 votes for you.

I do think the wagons need to be more solidified though cuz 2-1-1-1-1 is fuckey

I agree, usually means mafia isn't in threat of being lynched.
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
April 07 2017 17:18 GMT
#674
On April 08 2017 01:54 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2017 22:24 darthfoley wrote:
On April 07 2017 18:55 beentheredonethat wrote:
The whole sicklucker Rayn argument is getting out of hand, all the while everyone else gets away with doing nothing, specifically speaking of Tumblewood.

Like, what is Tumble even doing?

* starts the game with seven posts which are absolutely irrelevant banter
* puts up three posts that have somewhat of game relevance (but then, no follow up, so that renders his questions pointless)
* enters thread again, claims a mind meld, drops a townread for that on calix
* his mind meld is scumreading me for exactly what Calix said, pretty much following thread sentiment
* BUT ends up calling me bad town
* one more townread on Shape
* claims to have done "meta research" on Rels pregame, votes Rels
* more vague stuff ("spidey senses", some more blabla)

This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look". But that does not align with the "I prepared for Rels pregame" thing. Why would you banter if you even took the time and prepared (assuming he's town, of course) for a game? You should be more afraid of being scumread, right?

Next action, the famous "Calix is town and btdt is bad town" stuff. Claims to have a mind meld with Calix there but note the difference in the "bad town" timing that he and Calix have. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.

His townread on Shape is unexplained. But that's not alignment indicative. Nevertheless, it's always easier to say "uh this guy's probably town" as scum then committing to a real push.

Now to the interesting stuff. The pregame research on Rels. I have a hard time believeing that. Why?
1. The game was posted rather spontanously.
2. The game filled up really, really fast.
3. Why would you research on someone's meta in such a short period of time when you cannot possibly know whether you're rolling town or scum?
4. Why claim that research? Obviously, to gain town creds. "Uh, damn, I did something and it's useless because the guy is not there. Let's vote him!"

The vote on Rels in combination with three(!) townreads and a weird "I prepared" post really let's me think Tumble is mafia, trying to pile on a afk player (i.e. low hanging mislynch fruit for scum).

Summary: Tumble has done nothing thus far, he has not contributed any original thoughts, he parked his vote on an AFK person which he claims to have specifically prepared for. I think this is a highly scum-indicative behaviour.



This part is scummy. You say something he does is NAI the. Proceed to use it as reasoning to scum read TW. Either it's AI or it isn't-- but it makes no sense to claim that it's NAI then use it for AI purposes. Feels like shit clinging to me.

Also spends half his post talking about this "meta research on Rels thing" like it's actually an important post. Words to say words

Btdt hath been downgraded

This part is not scummy. A single town read is not alignment indicative. Dropping THREE townreads and placing the vote on the one player where it is the most easy to do so while not doing anything IS alignment indicative. You're misunderstanding my post or misrepresenting it.

And OF COURSE I spend half my post talking about the meta research on Rels thing - because I think it's important. I tried to explain my thought process. You say it's an unimportant post but I find it highly important, especially in the context of the Rels vote. It has no other purpose then to put additional (uncnecessary) justification on his vote. I think this is mafia overjustifying a vote. Voting is mandatory and after all a commitment, and I and others already got called out for pressunring but not voting someone.



I'm not misrepresenting you. You were specifically talking about his town read of Shapelog when you made the NAI comment. What am I missing?
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 07 2017 17:19 GMT
#675
No Shape. That is not what that means.

Just got a message she will be here in 35 mins. And I thought I had 1 hour. So now I have -15 minutes to get ready. So bye bye. w00t.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 07 2017 17:19 GMT
#676
I say lynch Calix.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 07 2017 17:19 GMT
#677
I am not sure who to lynch secondly. Maybe Rels I guess.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 07 2017 17:20 GMT
#678
hahaha. Sorry no. Shape ofcourse. Lynch Shape. I am 100% on that second read.

First Calix
Second Shape.
I had a good night of sleep.
Shapelog
Profile Joined November 2015
United States5188 Posts
April 07 2017 17:21 GMT
#679
Calix (2) - Koshi, darthfoley
Tumblewood (1) - beentheredonethat
Rels (1) - Tumblewood
Sicklucker (1) - raynpelikoneet
beentheredonethat (1) - sicklucker

Not Voting (3) - Calix, Rels, Shapelog

Actually might also be due to the fact 3 players havent voted as well
"Subsequently clicking post is like launching a doomsday's worth of nukes' equivalent in dopamine." -RB
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
April 07 2017 17:21 GMT
#680
On April 08 2017 02:11 Shapelog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2017 02:03 beentheredonethat wrote:
On April 08 2017 01:36 Shapelog wrote:
Scanning BTDT case:

I read it and went to BTDT's filter to check something out
+ Show Spoiler [wasnt vaild since I missed a post he m…] +
From BTDT case on tumble:
This is at least my perception of what Tumble is doing so far. My observations. I can see the initial banter coming from town or from at least a certain level of "I don't care how I look".


From BTDT earlier:
On April 07 2017 01:58 beentheredonethat wrote:
Actually reading Tumblewood's filter: there is NO (absolutely no!) contribution to the game. Just banter. Besides that easily to be made up post.

##vote Tumblewood do something


So banter back then wasnt ok but is now seen as something that can come from a townie? Also reading back he actually took my point about mafia being able to throw together that post lol.
but did find this actually:

well "doing something" at the current state of affairs would mean just to interact with people and drop opinions, right? darth and rels - yeah. We're not in policy range of things yet so... yeah.

Not sure how to proceed from here on. I am not townreading Koshi yet it's not the same as the last game we played, like there it was super obvious to me that he was scum. And I was right. Might've been just luck but it really felt like scum!Koshi. This time around, I'm not sure.

I'd just wish he'd put more effort into explaining stuff.

Calix -- hmm

the whole Calix Koshi Me thing and then with tumbleweed reiterating on it and shape commenting on it - it's of course easy to form a town circle of five but I don't dare to do that. oh and still, can someone explain what this "sucking up to rayn" thing means

I dont understand the town circle comment looking back since he had tumble and calix in or around the scummy range a few posts back.


Also

. It might very well be that Tumble simply followed thread sentiment, did some drive by posting, and then realized "ohshit, Calix ain't hard scumreading btdt". So he backed off of judging the Calix/btdt interaction, as everyone else did.

If he followed thread sentiment, which implies he read the thread, wouldn't he already know calix wasnt scum reading him on that level based off of what. So I dont understand this logic from it.

Carrying on.

I agree with the last bit - that's why I put a "could be" in front of it. It's hard to back cases up properly without speculating, after all it's a guessing game.

The town circle post came off the idea that if 5 out of 11 people are actively discussing without anyone hiding, it would be a good point to start a town circle. It's a nice idea but I didn't dare to form a town circle for obvious reasons, some of them being scumreads/leans.

I do actually have a question I want you to pitch in regarding tumble and thread sentiment.

How does this post feel to you regarding thread sentiment?
Show nested quote +
nah I'm pretty content with having three reads that I think are right with as little as has happened so far
and what ever happened to that push on koshi


Tbh, when you say town circle, everyone you mention automatically goes green for your reads in my eyes.

That bolded bit is related to my initial push on Koshi, right? If anything, I'd say it's tackling my initial comment on something being pushworthy, so subtly calling me out.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
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