Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
That's a lot of words for "his claim is NAI" fam.
Why is Xat's response more likely scum than town?
Where did I say that Xat's response is more likely scum? I said I read his filter with a "why could he be scum" mindset, to see where damdred could be coming from. -.-
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
That's a lot of words for "his claim is NAI" fam.
Why is Xat's response more likely scum than town?
Where did I say that Xat's response is more likely scum? I said I read his filter with a "why could he be scum" mindset, to see where damdred could be coming from. -.-
You said earlier that the only thing you found was the smiley thing so when you made the Xat comment, I assumed that was a scum-read.
But since you're not claiming that, you might as well explain what you DID get from his filter.
wtf that smiley thing was damdy and I already explained what i got from the filter.
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
That's a lot of words for "his claim is NAI" fam.
Why is Xat's response more likely scum than town?
Where did I say that Xat's response is more likely scum? I said I read his filter with a "why could he be scum" mindset, to see where damdred could be coming from. -.-
*sigh* Like xata had like 3 posts at this time, so the only reason (imo) damdy could have had to SR xata would have been in the reaction about the setup stuff. which is possible to come from scum. i personally went bleh. which is why went like "well its better than smilies, but still crap" (which is why i didnt do anything about it)
in the opposite direction is the question whether damdies "push" on xata could be a scum push, but upon his explanation and no vote being in the voting thread I think its more likely damdy wanted to get some discussion/shit started.
On March 17 2017 07:52 Xatalos wrote: dis: the question isn't about your thoughts about my alignment, but about how you interpreted my reaction to Eden.
On March 17 2017 07:54 disformation wrote: *sigh* Like xata had like 3 posts at this time, so the only reason (imo) damdy could have had to SR xata would have been in the reaction about the setup stuff. which is possible to come from scum. i personally went bleh. which is why went like "well its better than smilies, but still crap" (which is why i didnt do anything about it)
in the opposite direction is the question whether damdies "push" on xata could be a scum push, but upon his explanation and no vote being in the voting thread I think its more likely damdy wanted to get some discussion/shit started.
Okay, I'm starting to think you're mafia from your reactions here.
Nothing to do with what you're saying, really, it's more that you sound very tense and defensive and like you have a massive stick up your arse for no real reason once people started engaging with you.
It's a different vibe from what I get from Damdred and Xatalos who seem more chill and willing to get shit done.
##vote disformation
#selfmeta: read any of my games. they are found in my profile. =D
On March 17 2017 08:45 Koshi wrote: disformation hasn't made a really bad post yet. Damdred made 2.
Who needs one really bad post when you can have a generally crappy overall filter?
Kinda surprised you haven't picked up on how incredibly defensive disformation was tbqh. His opening posts were blendy, then he segued into a hard-to-follow discussion, then reacted poorly to my 'questioning' and then fucked off.
I don't see how Damdred is comparable.
I have a huge problem with this post, as none of that makes me scum and calix knows this. context: she was a cohost in my last town game where I was super defensive and reacting bad to pressure a lot. I actually nuked myself in the end.
I kinda like that she put '' around the questioning, because the whole line of that was posting something about me that was not true and then scumreading me, when I call her out on that. + Show Spoiler +
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
That's a lot of words for "his claim is NAI" fam.
Why is Xat's response more likely scum than town?
Where did I say that Xat's response is more likely scum? I said I read his filter with a "why could he be scum" mindset, to see where damdred could be coming from. -.-
You said earlier that the only thing you found was the smiley thing so when you made the Xat comment, I assumed that was a scum-read.
But since you're not claiming that, you might as well explain what you DID get from his filter.
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
That's a lot of words for "his claim is NAI" fam.
Why is Xat's response more likely scum than town?
Where did I say that Xat's response is more likely scum? I said I read his filter with a "why could he be scum" mindset, to see where damdred could be coming from. -.-
You said earlier that the only thing you found was the smiley thing so when you made the Xat comment, I assumed that was a scum-read.
But since you're not claiming that, you might as well explain what you DID get from his filter.
wtf that smiley thing was damdy and I already explained what i got from the filter.
Your tone seems hostile here which is uncalled for since all I did was ask if you had anything from your Xatalos filter-dive. I don't see how that warrants your 'wtf'
Can you guys explain your TR on her? Cause I think her push on me is a scum push and otherwise she only has posted a bunch, most of which ended in her calling everyone town or going nowhere.
On March 17 2017 09:22 darthfoley wrote: actually nvm the op doesn't include letters regarding the setups. so maybe town points for trying to clarify what Eden meant?
On March 17 2017 14:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's an early morning in Gotham City. The deep green sea sleeps silently. If you listen to it closely you can hear the sounds of reason and knowledge from it. Not everyone sleeps though. There are criminals on the loose and the batcave has been fully functional during the night. Batman is sitting in the coffee table. Robin is sitting in the toilet taking a shit. Alfred walks in with a pot of hot delicious coffee.
Alfred: "Sir, a rough night, huh?" Batman: "Yes. We got a lead to the TV-station. There was the Who wants to be a millionaire show." Alfred: "Mhm..." Batman: "You know, the host gave a question. There is a formation of numbers, 1,2,3,4. What number comes next? Then we saw the possible answers. 7, 22, 19, 107." Alfred: "But... those are all wrong?" Batman: "Exactly. There is no point in a question where all the answers possible are wrong! That's when we ran to the stage." Alfred: "Well I'll be DAMD...."
At this point Alfred gets interrupted by Robin walking into the room..
Robin (shouts): "Haha yes, and he was all RED when he left the stage!" Batman (smiles and nods): "Well you know... If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it's + Show Spoiler +
Alfred pours more coffee to the cups. Batman drinks his coffee black. Robin puts about seven tablespoons of sugar into his coffee. Both Alfred and Batman look at each other and shake their heads simultaneously.... Then Alfred continues;
Alfred: "Sir, did you have a chance to look at today's newspaper?" Batman: "No, what was special about it?" Alfred: "There is a nice new blog!"
Alfred hands the paper to Batman. Batman opens page 254 and reads;
Thö FInland män is tydei wierd. Normally Finland män laiks to kou tu sauna. Pat tydei nat. Hii kous tu sauna and ven juu throu paket of water onte roks tis is not vat Finland män das. Tydei hii throus water onte vool änd oolso throus te paket autof te windou. Is wierd. Meibi hii häd a potl ov vodka? Meibi hii vants tu kou tu sauna vit siikret vrends? Meibi vit mister M? Pat mister M is not intrested tudei. Tudei M vants to vander in thö forest änd took nonsens. Vits is veri wierd kos läst taim M vas veri intrested in throuving water onte roks. Hii vas in ouppen sauna kvalifaier änd very mats lavd throuving water vrom te pekinin. Nau veri samting els. Ai tink hii got strooperries vor diner. Veri laikli.
Alfred interrupts here...
Alfred: "Sir! It's the sign. They're sending it from the Plammer tower again! You need to get going!"
Batman *sighs*: "Again... Oh well let's go Robin!"
Am I reading this right? Malongo is the Joker? I am the Penguin (based on the fact that you ppl seem to think going to bed at 00:00 when I have work next day makes me scum somehow)?
On March 17 2017 08:45 Koshi wrote: disformation hasn't made a really bad post yet. Damdred made 2.
Who needs one really bad post when you can have a generally crappy overall filter?
Kinda surprised you haven't picked up on how incredibly defensive disformation was tbqh. His opening posts were blendy, then he segued into a hard-to-follow discussion, then reacted poorly to my 'questioning' and then fucked off.
I don't see how Damdred is comparable.
I have a huge problem with this post, as none of that makes me scum and calix knows this. context: she was a cohost in my last town game where I was super defensive and reacting bad to pressure a lot. I actually nuked myself in the end.
I kinda like that she put '' around the questioning, because the whole line of that was posting something about me that was not true and then scumreading me, when I call her out on that. + Show Spoiler +
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
That's a lot of words for "his claim is NAI" fam.
Why is Xat's response more likely scum than town?
Where did I say that Xat's response is more likely scum? I said I read his filter with a "why could he be scum" mindset, to see where damdred could be coming from. -.-
You said earlier that the only thing you found was the smiley thing so when you made the Xat comment, I assumed that was a scum-read.
But since you're not claiming that, you might as well explain what you DID get from his filter.
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
That's a lot of words for "his claim is NAI" fam.
Why is Xat's response more likely scum than town?
Where did I say that Xat's response is more likely scum? I said I read his filter with a "why could he be scum" mindset, to see where damdred could be coming from. -.-
You said earlier that the only thing you found was the smiley thing so when you made the Xat comment, I assumed that was a scum-read.
But since you're not claiming that, you might as well explain what you DID get from his filter.
wtf that smiley thing was damdy and I already explained what i got from the filter.
Your tone seems hostile here which is uncalled for since all I did was ask if you had anything from your Xatalos filter-dive. I don't see how that warrants your 'wtf'
Can you guys explain your TR on her? Cause I think her push on me is a scum push and otherwise she only has posted a bunch, most of which ended in her calling everyone town or going nowhere.
Using a game where I already knew your alignment is retarded, especially as I am more used to seeing you in obs QT and not in-game. I also don't see how this makes you town as opposed to it being NAI.
I don't want an answer to that btw. Just stop bitching/ OMGUSing and actually contribute something. This would literally address half of my case against you which is that you're responding to people but not doing anything.
FWIW I picked up on you because it initially felt like you were blending, then when I was reading the chat, you stuck out to me due to your tone compared to everyone else and I pushed there. Simple stuff.
"most of which ended in her calling everyone town"
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
btdt did the same thing (seeing that i am very defensive / don't react to pressure very well as host/cohost and then using it against me as scum) so i dont think it is retarded at all. shitty pushes on me generally come from scum more often that from town.
i thought your case against me was that you dont like my tone? where do you say that your problem is me not contributing anything?
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
On March 17 2017 07:54 disformation wrote: *sigh* Like xata had like 3 posts at this time, so the only reason (imo) damdy could have had to SR xata would have been in the reaction about the setup stuff. which is possible to come from scum. i personally went bleh. which is why went like "well its better than smilies, but still crap" (which is why i didnt do anything about it)
in the opposite direction is the question whether damdies "push" on xata could be a scum push, but upon his explanation and no vote being in the voting thread I think its more likely damdy wanted to get some discussion/shit started.
Okay, I'm starting to think you're mafia from your reactions here.
Nothing to do with what you're saying, really, it's more that you sound very tense and defensive and like you have a massive stick up your arse for no real reason once people started engaging with you.
It's a different vibe from what I get from Damdred and Xatalos who seem more chill and willing to get shit done.
##vote disformation
#selfmeta: read any of my games. they are found in my profile. =D
Sure, it's possible I am just misreading you based on something that's NAI for you...but I feel like the chat was more chill and then you disrupted that vibe and you're on the defense a lot.
So I'm more inclined to think you're mafia until you actually do something, lol.
You seem pretty bend on calling me scum, without room for consideration.
On March 17 2017 08:45 Koshi wrote: disformation hasn't made a really bad post yet. Damdred made 2.
Who needs one really bad post when you can have a generally crappy overall filter?
Kinda surprised you haven't picked up on how incredibly defensive disformation was tbqh. His opening posts were blendy, then he segued into a hard-to-follow discussion, then reacted poorly to my 'questioning' and then fucked off.
I don't see how Damdred is comparable.
I have a huge problem with this post, as none of that makes me scum and calix knows this. context: she was a cohost in my last town game where I was super defensive and reacting bad to pressure a lot. I actually nuked myself in the end.
I kinda like that she put '' around the questioning, because the whole line of that was posting something about me that was not true and then scumreading me, when I call her out on that. + Show Spoiler +
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
That's a lot of words for "his claim is NAI" fam.
Why is Xat's response more likely scum than town?
Where did I say that Xat's response is more likely scum? I said I read his filter with a "why could he be scum" mindset, to see where damdred could be coming from. -.-
You said earlier that the only thing you found was the smiley thing so when you made the Xat comment, I assumed that was a scum-read.
But since you're not claiming that, you might as well explain what you DID get from his filter.
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
That's a lot of words for "his claim is NAI" fam.
Why is Xat's response more likely scum than town?
Where did I say that Xat's response is more likely scum? I said I read his filter with a "why could he be scum" mindset, to see where damdred could be coming from. -.-
You said earlier that the only thing you found was the smiley thing so when you made the Xat comment, I assumed that was a scum-read.
But since you're not claiming that, you might as well explain what you DID get from his filter.
wtf that smiley thing was damdy and I already explained what i got from the filter.
Your tone seems hostile here which is uncalled for since all I did was ask if you had anything from your Xatalos filter-dive. I don't see how that warrants your 'wtf'
Can you guys explain your TR on her? Cause I think her push on me is a scum push and otherwise she only has posted a bunch, most of which ended in her calling everyone town or going nowhere.
Using a game where I already knew your alignment is retarded, especially as I am more used to seeing you in obs QT and not in-game. I also don't see how this makes you town as opposed to it being NAI.
I don't want an answer to that btw. Just stop bitching/ OMGUSing and actually contribute something. This would literally address half of my case against you which is that you're responding to people but not doing anything.
FWIW I picked up on you because it initially felt like you were blending, then when I was reading the chat, you stuck out to me due to your tone compared to everyone else and I pushed there. Simple stuff.
"most of which ended in her calling everyone town"
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
btdt did the same thing (seeing that i am very defensive / don't react to pressure very well as host/cohost and then using it against me as scum) so i dont think it is retarded at all. shitty pushes on me generally come from scum more often that from town.
i thought your case against me was that you dont like my tone? where do you say that your problem is me not contributing anything?
K but I'm not pushing you to make you tilt. If you read, you'll see that I am literally asking you to contribute. Nice try at avoiding my request, can't answer it?
I said early on that you 'were on the defense a lot'. Looking at that now, I guess that doesn't really convey my "you're not contributing much of your own" point though.
Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
Are you scum-reading DF, for example? Do you have any opinions on Xatalos and Damdred? Damdred's train? Malongo not voting on the main trains? raynpelikoneet's latest post??? Like come on, this is basic-bitch-tier.
Seriously, you have 2 pages of filter and you have yet to do anything game-solving. Amazing. Meanwhile I - the supposed ""mafia"" - am running circles around your bitch arse.
yes DF is a scum lean, based on what i posted. rayn is okay. more used to him being outspoken and direct and stuff, but he has been pointing out things he likes and dislikes. would like him to confirm/deny if I got his last post right though. damdred is like very high on my todo list for today. (yes you have read that correctly <3)
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
You've never been mislynched and you know I know this yet you're trying to claim that you're 'weak'.
Calling bullshit. I was 100% the first person to scum-read you and the only person who really agrees with me is Xatalos.
The rest of your reasons are painting my actions in a scummy light with no backing. Try again.
So you saying my game has been "stronk" so far? Not sure what your other stuff relates to my other points. An example of the "look at how much work I already did" would be that post:
On March 17 2017 09:15 darthfoley wrote: Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods!
I hate that quote. ##vote darthfoley
Reading the thread enough to vote, but not posting anything of substance.
#LurkModeInitiated
Is Raynpelikoneet also scummy to you? If not, why?
About as null as possible. The few times I have played with rayn, he's been NK N0/1, so maybe this trolling style is a way of furthering himself in the game.
You equated his playstyle with Koshi's in the scum QT last game, and I can kinda see the similarities: brash, in your face, takes charge etc. He's also quite good at it, so I don't really understand the scum!rayn motivation to trolling early on, unless he just doesn't give a shit for some reason. I always feel like mafia is in the best position if they control the topic of conversation, which he hasn't even tried to do. He's also not helping town at all, so although I have some theorycraft of optimal mafia play, he's super null
I also see it as null, just mildly annoying. It would be an extremely lame scum tactic but that's about it.
You seem to remember the scum Skype chat better than I do. I can't remember what I said in that, lol.
Also I'm pretty sure I am already hitting three pages with this post. I should probably go to bed soon and stop spamming.
On March 17 2017 18:07 disformation wrote: Brings me to another point: for me being fairly NAI which you admitted here:
On March 17 2017 08:01 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:58 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:56 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:54 disformation wrote: *sigh* Like xata had like 3 posts at this time, so the only reason (imo) damdy could have had to SR xata would have been in the reaction about the setup stuff. which is possible to come from scum. i personally went bleh. which is why went like "well its better than smilies, but still crap" (which is why i didnt do anything about it)
in the opposite direction is the question whether damdies "push" on xata could be a scum push, but upon his explanation and no vote being in the voting thread I think its more likely damdy wanted to get some discussion/shit started.
Okay, I'm starting to think you're mafia from your reactions here.
Nothing to do with what you're saying, really, it's more that you sound very tense and defensive and like you have a massive stick up your arse for no real reason once people started engaging with you.
It's a different vibe from what I get from Damdred and Xatalos who seem more chill and willing to get shit done.
##vote disformation
#selfmeta: read any of my games. they are found in my profile. =D
Sure, it's possible I am just misreading you based on something that's NAI for you...but I feel like the chat was more chill and then you disrupted that vibe and you're on the defense a lot.
So I'm more inclined to think you're mafia until you actually do something, lol.
You seem pretty bend on calling me scum, without room for consideration.
I've said about three times now that I am willing to reconsider if you ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING.
You keep painting me as scum...instead of doing the something.
Given this, I really don't see how this makes sense from town POV.
well sry for calling your scummy push on me scummy (not really).
On March 17 2017 18:07 disformation wrote: Brings me to another point: for me being fairly NAI which you admitted here:
On March 17 2017 08:01 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:58 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:56 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:54 disformation wrote: *sigh* Like xata had like 3 posts at this time, so the only reason (imo) damdy could have had to SR xata would have been in the reaction about the setup stuff. which is possible to come from scum. i personally went bleh. which is why went like "well its better than smilies, but still crap" (which is why i didnt do anything about it)
in the opposite direction is the question whether damdies "push" on xata could be a scum push, but upon his explanation and no vote being in the voting thread I think its more likely damdy wanted to get some discussion/shit started.
Okay, I'm starting to think you're mafia from your reactions here.
Nothing to do with what you're saying, really, it's more that you sound very tense and defensive and like you have a massive stick up your arse for no real reason once people started engaging with you.
It's a different vibe from what I get from Damdred and Xatalos who seem more chill and willing to get shit done.
##vote disformation
#selfmeta: read any of my games. they are found in my profile. =D
Sure, it's possible I am just misreading you based on something that's NAI for you...but I feel like the chat was more chill and then you disrupted that vibe and you're on the defense a lot.
So I'm more inclined to think you're mafia until you actually do something, lol.
You seem pretty bend on calling me scum, without room for consideration.
Hmm not true. She is leaving you outs but you are not taking them. Which is very bad for you. Like... she is clearly trying to make you say something good, but you are not. Which makes her top town, and you very mafia. Town defends and attacks, mafia just defends.
##unvote ##vote disformation
Kinda disagree, but might be biased. But I guess I don't need to be worried by you soft defending me anymore.
Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing. I'll try to make it as clear as possible: 1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself: "Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?" 2. I read Xatas posts "uh nothing?" 3. I read Xatas posts "uh still nothing?" 4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?" Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote: And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like: "wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face 8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote. 9. damdy posts:
Skimming some filters. Didn't like TW. Throws out some easy townreads (Malongo, Claix, DeepBlue) complains about the towncircle and doesn't comment on any of the wagons and/or the xata/damdy/me thing. So scum lean very similar to DF. Think DF is a tiny bit more scummy. oneg/eden/rels are perfectly null. rayn is a weak ass town lean. maybe better phrased as something between null and town. koshi I got some weird vibes of these posts:
On March 17 2017 08:45 Koshi wrote: disformation hasn't made a really bad post yet. Damdred made 2.
On March 17 2017 08:45 Koshi wrote: disformation hasn't made a really bad post yet. Damdred made 2.
Who needs one really bad post when you can have a generally crappy overall filter?
Kinda surprised you haven't picked up on how incredibly defensive disformation was tbqh. His opening posts were blendy, then he segued into a hard-to-follow discussion, then reacted poorly to my 'questioning' and then fucked off.
I don't see how Damdred is comparable.
Yes. Disformation his filter is crappy. But is he mafia?
Hard to explain. I just think town koshi would be roasting me more. xD but then we got:
On March 17 2017 18:07 disformation wrote: Brings me to another point: for me being fairly NAI which you admitted here:
On March 17 2017 08:01 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:58 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:56 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:54 disformation wrote: *sigh* Like xata had like 3 posts at this time, so the only reason (imo) damdy could have had to SR xata would have been in the reaction about the setup stuff. which is possible to come from scum. i personally went bleh. which is why went like "well its better than smilies, but still crap" (which is why i didnt do anything about it)
in the opposite direction is the question whether damdies "push" on xata could be a scum push, but upon his explanation and no vote being in the voting thread I think its more likely damdy wanted to get some discussion/shit started.
Okay, I'm starting to think you're mafia from your reactions here.
Nothing to do with what you're saying, really, it's more that you sound very tense and defensive and like you have a massive stick up your arse for no real reason once people started engaging with you.
It's a different vibe from what I get from Damdred and Xatalos who seem more chill and willing to get shit done.
##vote disformation
#selfmeta: read any of my games. they are found in my profile. =D
Sure, it's possible I am just misreading you based on something that's NAI for you...but I feel like the chat was more chill and then you disrupted that vibe and you're on the defense a lot.
So I'm more inclined to think you're mafia until you actually do something, lol.
You seem pretty bend on calling me scum, without room for consideration.
Hmm not true. She is leaving you outs but you are not taking them. Which is very bad for you. Like... she is clearly trying to make you say something good, but you are not. Which makes her top town, and you very mafia. Town defends and attacks, mafia just defends.
##unvote ##vote disformation
which sounds much more like something I expect from town!koshi.
On March 17 2017 21:19 Xatalos wrote: Hmm.... so you just pulled my "reaction" to Eden out of thin air? >.> Why?
And how is Damdred's reasoning worse than.... nothing pulled out of thin air? (granted, Damdred was joking, but you clearly thought he was serious back then)
because I wanted to see if I can find the reason why damdred was scumreading you, as I thought he was serious, as you pointed out. Since that would have possibly allowed me insight into your and/or damdies alignment. So I was like really looking forward to see what damdy found... then he goes like "lol he posted a smiley, clearly scum" and I go "wat? I was expecting something real good, even my bleh stuff is better than _that_"
Ugh dunno. Like probably something got lost in me not getting that damdred was joking and then being super disappointed he had no super awesome read on you.
On March 17 2017 21:20 disformation wrote: back to working. random thought on xata though: i dont think it would make sense for both xata and calix to be scum and go ham on me like that.
Question.
You have similar reads to myself. Has this factored into your analysis and if not, why?
Some of them are weirdly similar. Your TW read is almost identical to mine.
You are right, I actually liked your last list (minus me on it :p). Also basically everyone in the game besides me (which includes my town reads) seems to call you super town. Fair chance i'm just in omgus land. lemme think about a bit more after getting more work done.
On March 17 2017 21:37 Xatalos wrote: Mehh.... I'll keep my vote on you for the time being. I was hoping for some sort of logical explanation, but I guess it was just scum posting without genuine thought behind it (or town with a serious thought/communication meltdown - looking a bit more possible after all this.....).
Question: after me who would be your preferred lynch?
On March 17 2017 21:55 Xatalos wrote: I'll look more closely once I'm home. Tentatively Tumble could be OK since the only impression I got of him was null/negative even though he posted some posts.
Fair enough. Looking at Calix again I think this one explains one of the problems I had with her push on me:
On March 17 2017 18:09 Calix wrote: I said early on that you 'were on the defense a lot'. Looking at that now, I guess that doesn't really convey my "you're not contributing much of your own" point though.
Together with the facts that a lot of ppl townread her and we share a lot of reads, I am getting fairly waffly.
meh. dunno. like not that sure anymore if she is scum pushing me or town pushing me. guess I would lynch a bunch of ppl before her. df, tw the three questions marks, maybe mal.
On March 17 2017 17:51 disformation wrote: Not a fan how DF mentions this:
On March 17 2017 09:22 darthfoley wrote: actually nvm the op doesn't include letters regarding the setups. so maybe town points for trying to clarify what Eden meant?
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
mal is fairly 50/50 to me. On one hand I kinda like him coming in being like "your wagons suck, imma make my own wagon with black jack and coke", on the other nothing he really says has a whole lot of substance. Like incredible hard to tell if he is town, really not liking the wagons, or if he is scum not wanting to comment on them.
On March 17 2017 22:55 Damdred wrote: Maybe it's kind of meh.
So dis
Damdred Calix Xata Koahi Dis Rayn Deep
This is kinda a town list where I am at right now. Am I wrong on any of these and why?
Hmmm... i'm townl , deep prolly town, Koshi prolly town, you more likely town than scum not 100% on rayn yet. his total meta shift is kinda throwing me off. somewhere between null and town lean, as mentioned earlier. xata makes more sense to come from a town pov, slightly worried that he is overly focused on me, so i want to see what he does later. town lean though. calix is still a bit weird for me atm. chance of her being town is good enough, that i dont want to lynch her atm though. xD
note to myself: DeepBlueSea89 and rayn are apparently easy to summon.
rayn... eh i mean:
batman! halp! the penguin has hired a lot of hired muscle and is making it increasingly difficult for us to crack down on his illegal operations. can you give us information about his identity so we can stop the flow of his cash, so he cant hire hired muscle anymore?
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
mal is fairly 50/50 to me. On one hand I kinda like him coming in being like "your wagons suck, imma make my own wagon with black jack and coke", on the other nothing he really says has a whole lot of substance. Like incredible hard to tell if he is town, really not liking the wagons, or if he is scum not wanting to comment on them.
Do you have any other reasons to scum-read DF outside of him ignoring your discussion? I would like to see DF/ Malongo get stuck in more but that is about it.
On the one hand, deviating from the status quo gets Malongo attention. On the other hand, he's just voting for raynpelikoneet because of his early-game trolling (which reminds him of another game). So he's not risking much there since there's no pressure for him to persuade people to vote in that direction and it doesn't help his stated "don't lynch Damdred/ disformation" goal. It's weak.
Well, it gives df a higher chance at being scum than tw or mal, so yes. Not sure about the mal stuff, are you saying it is more likely scum than 50/50, or are you agreeing on the 50/50?
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
On March 17 2017 22:51 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
mal is fairly 50/50 to me. On one hand I kinda like him coming in being like "your wagons suck, imma make my own wagon with black jack and coke", on the other nothing he really says has a whole lot of substance. Like incredible hard to tell if he is town, really not liking the wagons, or if he is scum not wanting to comment on them.
Do you have any other reasons to scum-read DF outside of him ignoring your discussion? I would like to see DF/ Malongo get stuck in more but that is about it.
On the one hand, deviating from the status quo gets Malongo attention. On the other hand, he's just voting for raynpelikoneet because of his early-game trolling (which reminds him of another game). So he's not risking much there since there's no pressure for him to persuade people to vote in that direction and it doesn't help his stated "don't lynch Damdred/ disformation" goal. It's weak.
Well, it gives df a higher chance at being scum than tw or mal, so yes. Not sure about the mal stuff, are you saying it is more likely scum than 50/50, or are you agreeing on the 50/50?
Now that I'm not in OMGUSville, I'm not as sure on DF as I was.
I was considering whether Malongo's words line up with his actions and concluded no, so the former.
Mh. Well TW didnt comment on a bunch of stuff. But after DF's mention on Xata's reaction to the setup stuff I was very sure that he would comment on the xata/damdy/me stuff, it is really odd to me that he didn't. Can kinda see the point on Mal though. Like the result of his posts was him avoiding taking stances, voting on a dead wagon and gtfoing with all options open.
On March 17 2017 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait disformation. How can Rels be more townie than "somewhere between null and town lean"?
He isnt?
On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote: i think in my brain its kinda like: df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
left most scum, right least scum. so df most scum, you least scum.
On March 17 2017 23:47 disformation wrote: @rayn: why vote damdred over mal or xata, from your post it looks to me like your scum read on at least mal (maybe xata) would be stronger?
hm the damdred thing isnt that easy. like for some reason I remember seeing more posts that I liked. damdy is a good scum player though, so these are probably not outside his scumrange. Stuffs I liked. This looked like he was legit unsure about my alignment:
On March 17 2017 09:28 Damdred wrote: As for my thoughts on disformation in not sure.
I think there is a huge mmicommunication and we are somewhere list in translation. Like the whole argument might be kinda bad because I think he was looking for a real reason I was scum reading xata.
But still doesn't make a lot of sense meh.
But he's sometimes super defensive on town so I just need more time to evaluate him tbh.
You could say he is hedging / keeping his options open, but imo this post is more likely to come from town. Esp. since I think scum would be more eager to vote the counter wagon to himself. I didn't mind the xata/calix reads:
On March 17 2017 09:59 Damdred wrote: Xata started as a gut read from his first playful banter. He generally as scum is pretty tense non fluid and kinda lacks much in the way of anything. I felt he was the opposite at the start, he flowed with the game thread was involved and tried to understand players.
I thought he looked town tbh.
Calix is a dick (lovable ) as town and is more free with the town reads. As scum hedges and is more middle of the road. Here really I involved even early trying to ferret out people. I liked it early and liked thebdickishness that was displayed towards koshi trying to get him to play.
Also for the record I think disf probably going to be town. Seems legit confused atvpoints, has time to back pedal and just explain and would get pressure off him but doesn't do it and just moved straight ahead. I still would like some explanation from him but yeahbi don't think scum woulddd play to bring that much attention to himself without trying to be it of him before he leaves. (Sorts bad read by hownibfeel)
and the mal/tw ones here:
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
though koshi/rayn pointed out some weak points in damdred's posting. not entirely sure what to make of it. i dont think this game it outside of damdred's scum range. guess the question is whether rayn is right and damdred tried to set me up with that question, or if it was part of the miscommunication that was going on. =/
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
Why are you taking my claim at face value, disfo?
huh? you claim something at the start of the game which might be true or not might be true. i have seen both alignments do that, so 50/50. if you are town you do that in the hope of giving ppl something to talk/discuss about. problem is that its super easy to throw about mechanical/setup stuff as scum. so your opening is basically as nai as it gets?
On March 17 2017 21:16 disformation wrote: though i'd like koshi to explain why he switched from damdred to oneg like that.
Onegu is always a good place to leave your vote while rereading.
but what made you want to switch off of damdred in the first place?
Sleeping. And wanting to read the game with a "fresh" mind.
Hm. Fair enough. Imo scum is less likely to reevaluate reads like that.
On March 18 2017 00:43 darthfoley wrote: As for Damdred/disformation: atm I think there are better lynch options. I feel like i've played 3 games in which disformation doesn't really have a good day 1 as town, but makes up for it as the game moves on.
I'm still quite nervous about Calix's and Damdred's interactions so far. Something just feels off, but I don't have a gotcha! quote to explain it.
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote: ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote: ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
This isn't a good argument. If disformation is scum regardless of how widely townread Calix is he has to go into the argument with him because Calix is calling him mafia. Why wouldn't disformation go into argument with Calix if Calix is mafia and he is town? That would mean that Calix' argument is bs so NOT going into an argument with him makes no sense.
this is based off of the assumption that calix is town (duh, anyone so anal is probably town). also scum can totally ignore the accusation. it wasn't exactly threatening and the omgus defense is mostly a last resort. seeing two people go at it without interacting with the rest of the thread is a tell I will always call
1. Of course scum!disformation would go into an argument with one of the primary people scum reading him. What is he supposed to do? Ignore it and try to indirectly buddy her? This is such a crap reason to town read a veteran player.
2. I get so fucking triggered anytime one of you fuckers uses anal/cursing/emotion to town read someone. It's literally the easiest thing to do over forum mafia. ASK LIGHTNINGSTRIKE THEN ASK ME AND RELS IF IT IS A TOWN TELL
The triggered part make me smile. Less likely to be scum. Lemme unvote.
On March 18 2017 00:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: The only thing i see Xatalos is you saying "disformation was describing I said things I didn't" and i don't know which those things are.
I think he means this:
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
the part in " ". i already explained how it came to that a few times though
On March 18 2017 01:02 disformation wrote: kinda confused myself now. cause i made a pretty big/nice post trying to explain all that stuff earlier.
Which in turn made me even more confused than at the start >.> But I kind of gave up on trying to understand, since apparently there was no real thought behind it
Hm. I think I still would prefer Mal over Damdred. Esp. now that I feel better about df. Putting my vote on mal. Probably need to rethink my read list a bit overall.
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation? Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote: Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing. I'll try to make it as clear as possible: 1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself: "Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?" 2. I read Xatas posts "uh nothing?" 3. I read Xatas posts "uh still nothing?" 4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?" Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face 8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote. 9. damdy posts:
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation? Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote: Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing. I'll try to make it as clear as possible: 1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself: "Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?" 2. I read Xatas posts "uh nothing?" 3. I read Xatas posts "uh still nothing?" 4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?" Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote: And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like: "wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face 8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote. 9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really following the conversation here.
I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.
10. I go *facepalm* 11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?
Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation? Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote: Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing. I'll try to make it as clear as possible: 1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself: "Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?" 2. I read Xatas posts "uh nothing?" 3. I read Xatas posts "uh still nothing?" 4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?" Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote: And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like: "wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face 8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote. 9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really following the conversation here.
I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.
10. I go *facepalm* 11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?
Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote: i think in my brain its kinda like: df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
left most scum, right least scum. so df most scum, you least scum.
since then I moved mal down below tw. move df up, above rels/1eg/eden. damdy down a bit, but not entirely sure where to put him atm. might want to move rayn, too. not sure. will update fully later.
On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote: you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game
can you summarize your thoughts on the game atm: lynch trains/reads/no lynch circle for you, etc?
calix & disfo are town I liked dbs but that read's back to null again after a disappointing continuation malongo is a slight town lean I like rayn and xata by gut buuut I can't explain why Damdred is ok? Koshi too no one who is actually playing is striking me as scummy so I might just park my vote on onegu
Explain to me why you think i am town when i have called out people you are townreading and you said you cannot make a good read on vets so far?
I was trying to see if I could figure out why damdred was scumread xatalos, because I didnt get that damdred was joke voting xatalos and that was the best thing i could come up with. so i was expecting something good from damdred and was disappointed when damdred came up with something even worse than what i had.
I was trying to see if I could figure out why damdred was scumread xatalos, because I didnt get that damdred was joke voting xatalos and that was the best thing i could come up with. so i was expecting something good from damdred and was disappointed when damdred came up with something even worse than what i had.
I am confused. This doesn't really answer my question. What do you mean by the "best thing i could come up with"?
as I said I was trying to figure out why damdred could be scumreading xatalos. the only thing that xatalos had was his reaction to the setup stuff from eden. so i was like "well what could be scummy in that?" thats what i came up with after following that line of thought.
and then i was like "okay thats crap, what does damdy have" then I was like "wat? that smiley thing is even worse than my crap" followed by "soo... wtf is damdy doing, can he be scum here for that weird read" and then i realize that it all was a joke
I was trying to see if I could figure out why damdred was scumread xatalos, because I didnt get that damdred was joke voting xatalos and that was the best thing i could come up with. so i was expecting something good from damdred and was disappointed when damdred came up with something even worse than what i had.
I am confused. This doesn't really answer my question. What do you mean by the "best thing i could come up with"?
as I said I was trying to figure out why damdred could be scumreading xatalos. the only thing that xatalos had was his reaction to the setup stuff from eden. so i was like "well what could be scummy in that?" thats what i came up with after following that line of thought.
But how did my posts, which had no mention of Eden's alignment, cause you to describe it as me attributing alignments to Eden....?
"well what could be scummy in that?" i was trying to see if a scum motivation could be attributed to your posts in order to see where damdred might be coming from?
goddammit. xD okay, last try. 1) "why the fuck is damdred scumreading xata?" 2) "the only thing that miiiiiiiiiiiiiight be scummy is this crap, lets see what damdred posts, so I can see if he got something good I missed or to see his thought process" 3) "wtf smilies? my crap was better. wtf is damdy doing?" 4) "oh... -.-"
so yeah it goes a bit both ways. i wanted to see if a) I missed something scummy xata did and wanted to see if b) damdred would have a similar/town thought process
On March 18 2017 01:42 Xatalos wrote: Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
How could Damdred possibly think that when there was nothing related do that in the thread
well it was the only thing i could think of. so it was either: a) damdy got something good i missed; townpoints b) damdy only got shit too; scumpoints
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
Why are you taking my claim at face value, disfo?
huh? you claim something at the start of the game which might be true or not might be true. i have seen both alignments do that, so 50/50. if you are town you do that in the hope of giving ppl something to talk/discuss about. problem is that its super easy to throw about mechanical/setup stuff as scum. so your opening is basically as nai as it gets?
What I'm getting at is that I do not see how my "Setup A" post (especially without clarifying what Setup A even refers to, since it's not in the OP) is "giving thread something to work with." Unless you believed me to be claiming a role and telling the thread, my initial post didn't convey anything meaningful.
Hence my question. You would have to take my claim at face value for my opening post to mean anything. You think my opening post meant something, so you are therefore taking my claim at face value. Why?
Huh? You clearly posted "something". And ppl (Xata in this case) clearly responded/worked with it. And I called your opening 50/50 and NAI, that is not "meaningful".
hmm... kinda have a pretty extensive list of ppl with town leans or "dont want to lynch today". hard to put in a order.
like mal is the scummiest. then are the question mark guys. and then I have a hard time ordering like damdy / xata / tw / df df prolly towniest of the bunch. damdy vs tw would be hard.
with damdy i feel like the points rayn and koshi had arent great, but they somewhat add up. but overall i still would say damdy is liklier to be town?
tumblewood could you explain your town lean on malongo?
On March 18 2017 04:50 darthfoley wrote: ATM I feel like DeepBlue is kinda playing like TimeTraveler from that other game, disformation
hmmm... TT2 was very lurky that is right, but I feel like TT2 was more like confrontive (is that a word?) and gave less reads/content when he was posting?
On March 18 2017 04:56 disformation wrote: eden is slightly confusing me in a "the me of this morning would like/agree/post the same stuff" way.
Hm?
just feels weird reading him post stuff very similar to what I was posting earlier today. deja vu like. not sure what to make of it. hes also ignoring other stuff you did like the interactions with rayn. def. liked his overall reads post more than that.
On March 18 2017 04:56 disformation wrote: eden is slightly confusing me in a "the me of this morning would like/agree/post the same stuff" way.
Hm?
just feels weird reading him post stuff very similar to what I was posting earlier today. deja vu like. not sure what to make of it. hes also ignoring other stuff you did like the interactions with rayn. def. liked his overall reads post more than that.
Wouldn't that count as him mind-melding with you, thus a town-read in your eyes then?
I think his case against me is fundamentally flawed since he assumes that townies have a Specific Way of playing as town but I don't think it's mafia-motivated. Way too much focus on the context and you can see how he thinks.
Which means we have quite a problem on our hands re: too many townie-looking people. It's extremely unlikely, statistically speaking, that Rels/ Onegu are two of the mafia so I think we're dealing with a vet or two as mafia.
TBH I never 100% understood that mindmeld stuff. The thing is: if I still was scumreading you, there would be a case for that, but I think I was a bit omgus inflicted earlier today and liked your interactions with rayn for example.
but yeah unless it is straight up rels/1eg/malongo, which would be fairly lulz, we kinda have a little problem on our hand.
On March 18 2017 04:56 disformation wrote: eden is slightly confusing me in a "the me of this morning would like/agree/post the same stuff" way.
Hm?
just feels weird reading him post stuff very similar to what I was posting earlier today. deja vu like. not sure what to make of it. hes also ignoring other stuff you did like the interactions with rayn. def. liked his overall reads post more than that.
Wouldn't that count as him mind-melding with you, thus a town-read in your eyes then?
I think his case against me is fundamentally flawed since he assumes that townies have a Specific Way of playing as town but I don't think it's mafia-motivated. Way too much focus on the context and you can see how he thinks.
Which means we have quite a problem on our hands re: too many townie-looking people. It's extremely unlikely, statistically speaking, that Rels/ Onegu are two of the mafia so I think we're dealing with a vet or two as mafia.
TBH I never 100% understood that mindmeld stuff. The thing is: if I still was scumreading you, there would be a case for that, but I think I was a bit omgus inflicted earlier today and liked your interactions with rayn for example.
but yeah unless it is straight up rels/1eg/malongo, which would be fairly lulz, we kinda have a little problem on our hand.
I think I might have to reconsider the validity of mind-melding after this game. I've had too many moments where people have agreed with me and vice versa already.
Well since three people think my early interactions with you were problematic then the logical conclusion is that I fucked up there, probably with misunderstanding you re: what Eden pointed out. But that's my cross to bear.
And you say it's a problem, but I prefer the term 'challenge'. Difficult game state, not being insta-town-read/ N1'd, playing with the pros...I am actually pretty hyped for this game.
I like that attitude. More difficult games also are more rewarding than easy or dead games. Regardless of the outcome imo.
i probably should have gone to bed directly and not stayed up that extra hour to play the game yesterday. would probably have made the game more readable at least.
so some random thoughts about what/who I might have missed. not sure if ill completely sort it out today, but dunno some ideas what i could have been missing / want to reconsider tomorrow: a) rayn and koshi are right on damdred after all b) tw got cut too much slack c) its someone i am not considering at all atm
mh, i like you noting that tw sounds pessimistic. some ppl think thats more likely to come from scum. i kinda like that tw is kinda stubborn about his TvT read. think would be more profitable for scum to make up some stuff about it being a scum vs town thing and then trying to ml both. unless you are scum with tw ofc. xD otherwise it is a bit meh. like you said very little content and scumhunting. would really like for him to explain his malongo town lean. tone is also slightly more town like. nice mix between not giving a damn and being fairly chill, like with his rayn read and the tvt thing.
damdred is also in a kinda weird spot. i liked edens observation that damdy is fairly meh. as i said earlier the points of rayn and koshi are not huge to me, but they kinda add up. a town!damdy for me is that when he is able to explain his reads very well in very few sentences. which is kinda present in the posts i liked from him.
maybe i am cutting him too much slack? damdy is also very good as scum and i dont have much experience with scum!dred, so my tell could be crap?
On March 18 2017 06:04 Damdred wrote: I think that tell isn't the best, I'm extremely aware of my meta and try to change and manipulate it as best as I can as scum to try to get better and ice on people.
But let's be honest here, the game is pretty difficult outside a few things.
As for little things adding up on me I don't really think any of it adds up to a decent case at all. Like Rayns main point I've explained 50 times already by the misunderstanding between myself and disformation.
yeah dunno. gut read says you are not scum. if i had to put it into points i think you are like 4/6 in town favour. so town lean or whatever. but i feel like i am missing someone and something.
Mh. Seems I didn't miss too much. A pity deepblue is replacing out.
not a fan of neither malongo nor tw.
malongo 0 reads/game solving content. tw basically rocking 0 scumreads and voting someone to vote someone of the first/weakest thing he was able to find.
On March 18 2017 13:50 Tumblewood wrote: ya eden is town. this post especially seems like a smart thing someone would do
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote: What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.
What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion
who? eden or xata?
dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum. xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.
Why are you taking my claim at face value, disfo?
but also her tone is generally impatient. the vibes are good
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
not sure if i remember correct, but werent you on a scumteam with calix somewhat recently? i think damdred mentioned that calix doesnt look like in her last scum game. agree/disagree?
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
i think rayn's preferred lynch has been damdred for quite some time now?
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
i think rayn's preferred lynch has been damdred for quite some time now?
Maybe, but he doesn't seem to care if it's Mal instead?
On March 18 2017 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well idc. Damdred and Malongo are mafia.
nah, i like df's tone way too much to lynch him over mal/tw.
On March 19 2017 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Eden1892 why am i one of your top town's since so far i have made a case that is in your opinion terrible and another case on a player you don't think is mafia, and a third on on your top town?
nice find, would like to hear a post about that as well.
wait. about that rayn on eden quote just now: just to make sure: eden had mal as null, implying not really liking rayn's case. while the one saying that he didnt like rayn's case was xata.
On March 19 2017 02:56 disformation wrote: hmmmm. i'm cool with rayn's read on tw. tw being suspicious as hell of one of the few ppl to have a tr on him, also kinda makes him more town imo.
Agreed on the last point especially.
Dunno what to make of Onegu right now. He's made a strong stance but I'm not convinced. I can maybe see a point for Blue being overly self-aware if I squint through a shot glass but that's not scummy by itself. An incidental tell to support a larger case at best.
dunno. it is an interesting find and a very onegu thing to pick that up/point that out. just help me too much with figuring onegs alignment out. xD
On March 19 2017 02:56 disformation wrote: hmmmm. i'm cool with rayn's read on tw. tw being suspicious as hell of one of the few ppl to have a tr on him, also kinda makes him more town imo.
Agreed on the last point especially.
Dunno what to make of Onegu right now. He's made a strong stance but I'm not convinced. I can maybe see a point for Blue being overly self-aware if I squint through a shot glass but that's not scummy by itself. An incidental tell to support a larger case at best.
dunno. it is an interesting find and a very onegu thing to pick that up/point that out. just help me too much with figuring onegs alignment out. xD
As I've only played with Onegu once before, can you explain what you mean by 'a very Onegu thing'? lol
not that easy to explain. oneg loves to change up his meta and doing the "unreadable" thing on purpose. but he loves picking up on scumslips and weird wordings like that. so it strikes me as a very onegu thing to do.
On March 19 2017 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Examples of Onegu thigs: - Replace into a game as mafia and use all the time you have to make a case on a confirmed town - Make a video post of your reads and say "the only other time i have done this as mafia is ..."
Yeah, noone does those things as mafia. Except Onegu does.
oh. that one was amazing! think i was co-host that game. xD
dunno. i feel i kinda am in a situation where i can find decent town points for everyone but mal. i somewhat agree to the notion that damdred is kinda mehish. but i still dont think mehish damdred == scum damdred. rels and oneg are still very much null. last time i lynched rels for playing like this D1 he flipped blue. so i dont want to lynch him unless he starts posting real scummy stuff b4 deadline. xD
On March 19 2017 04:13 darthfoley wrote: Anyone else feel like Calix is completely hands-off today, letting the winds of the lynch wagons take her wherever they end up going?
Because I do!
lol wtf, DF. I'm voting for the person I think is the best lynch today.
He is still the leading train by two votes.
What exactly am I meant to be 'doing' here that I am not already doing?
I just feel like you're acting like a mediator rather than trying to play the game. Strikes me as lazier than I would expect from you.
I have my reasons for voting for Malongo but i'm still interacting with various people in the game in confrontational ways. Feels like you're coasting. Although tbf that could be lazy town or lazy mafia
Maybe you should change your 'expectations' then because it's clearly not doing you any favours with reading me, rofl.
For a less flippant answer, I want Malongo flipped so that I can start re-evaluating with actual info instead of second-guessing myself.
Your red bolding indicates a scum read of me?
If I thought it was scummy, I would have said so, you moron-a-thon.
Do you actually have anything substantial to 'pressure' me with or are you just going to read too much into the colour that I used to highlight something? -_-
Sorry for thinking your use of the color red -- in a game where mafia is symbolized by the color read -- in a game where everyone highlights scummy phrases with the color red, on my post would indicate you think i'm being scummy.
On March 19 2017 06:35 darthfoley wrote: Part of me is starting to sip the Xata kool aid that rayn's push on damdred seems off
super not passionate and only focusing on one exchange instead of trying to use the rest of his filter. Hmph
Yeah. In the first place the thing was pretty NAI. No way it made Damdred 100% scum. But rayn just continued to push that one point... Without really adding anything new/important or giving satisfactory explanations. And apparently both Damdred and Malongo were fine even though Damdred was much more scummier to him (why..?).
Not gonna lie, I kicked around the idea that we were dealing with a scum!rayn who was distancing from scum!Malongo while pushing a town wagon (Damdred) which would explain why he kept pushing Damdred on this one point so much.
On March 19 2017 06:35 darthfoley wrote: Part of me is starting to sip the Xata kool aid that rayn's push on damdred seems off
super not passionate and only focusing on one exchange instead of trying to use the rest of his filter. Hmph
Yeah. In the first place the thing was pretty NAI. No way it made Damdred 100% scum. But rayn just continued to push that one point... Without really adding anything new/important or giving satisfactory explanations. And apparently both Damdred and Malongo were fine even though Damdred was much more scummier to him (why..?).
i think rayn also had a bunch of posts where he criticized the quality of damdred's reads.
but yeah i am not sure why damdred is _that_ scummy to rayn.
On March 19 2017 06:55 Calix wrote: CFDs hit scum? lol what blessed games have you been playing? XD
From my experience, they lead to a domino chain of unnecessary claims and drama. And a lot of unnecessary talk on whether the claims are real or not, yadda yadda yadda.
they can hit scum. i also have seen cfd kill blues, cause there was no time to claim.
On March 19 2017 07:35 disformation wrote: so I'll probably look more into the votes tomorrow (reasoning/timing). lets see if I can find something.
outside of that I think looking into eden/tw might be a good thing to do. rayn vs damdy can maybe also be a thing.
What makes you want to look into Eden/ group him with Tweedledumb?
The main thing that bugged me about his re-entry was his throwaway vote on Damdred that he didn't explain and ignored my question about it. Didn't say why he thought Damdred was scummier than someone he null-read either.
On March 19 2017 10:34 Eden1892 wrote: Why did we lynch Malongo? I guess it's "safe" but he was perfect null.
I voted Damdred because: 1. Calix wasn't a reasonable wagon and tbh I was starting to second guess myself anyway 2. I didn't see any compelling reason to vote Malongo. It's safe but fuck that, town doesn't win making safe plays unless the Mafia sucks. 3. Damdred still hasn't done anything that made me think he couldn't be Mafia. That's hypocritical compared to Malongo, except that I know I can expect more from Damdred and I can't know to do so from Malongo. 4. My vote for Damdred put the wagons at 5-3 which gave the Mafia a chance to save Malongo if he were scum; gave town a second wagon to consider, and I thought if the EOD were more active we'd get more meaningful info from that with a real 2nd option.
WITH THAT SAID, I apologize for not actually returning. I sorely underestimated my wireless carrier's range, Mississippi's infrastructure and the entertainment level of this wedding. I solemnly swear not to make any of those mistakes again, especially expecting positive outcomes from Mississippi's infratstructure. A truly egregious error to be certain
I don't plan to type a whole lot this game, but I feel this post is epicly bad on so many levels that I feel compelled.
Why this is awful:
1. Whining about the lynch when you did effectively nothing to prevent it or direct it elsewhere. Drawing attention to how he "clearly" wasn't in support and couldn't possibly understand why people would do such an awful thing like lynch a VT. /s
2. Defensive justification of his vote on an unflipped player when literal no one prompted it or seemingly cared very much.
3. Hypocrisy: His criticism of the Malongo lynch is that it was "null" and "safe". But his read on the person he voted for is "hasn't done anything that made me think he couldn't be mafia"; aka "null".
4. His reason for voting is? Well it certainly isn't town, because in the town I am from we teach all of our little babis to find the person you think is mafia and vote on them. Nowhere in this post does he even say he thinks Damdred is mafia. Clearly he was not particularly interested in pushing the player he found most scummy day 1, if he even found one. I am left at a point where I have to assume he either had no reads which is bad or he isn't coming from a townie mindset which is also bad.
5. His plan lacks a step. That step is conclusions. You see, this is a way I often get caught as mafia, is I leave dead ends where I pursue a plan or a line of questioning and I fail to draw any meaningful conclusions from it. His plan is: okay the vote is now 5-3, so if Malongo is mafia the opportunity exists for mafia to save him -> if people move I have a very narrow view of who is potentially mafia. Okay players didn't move, what do you conclude from this other than post-mortem Malongo = town? You have a plan so did you gain from it that it was MvT? TvT? You didn't come back in time to claim that "Mafia could save Malongo here and no one is moving, thus town". You have a plan but your plan leads to a dead end and makes no fucking sense.
6. Excuses. God I hate excuses.
That is enough typing for a significant amount of time in this game.
Oh wow. I think without ritoky's explanation of Eden's plan, I wouldnt have even understood the plan. Like
4. My vote for Damdred put the wagons at 5-3 which gave the Mafia a chance to save Malongo if he were scum;
put me at: "wat" Don't think that is a very town way to think about stuff, especially since nothing happened with the plan.
Think I'll put Eden at the bottom of my list and ritoky somewhere in town land.
On March 20 2017 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: He is town. I mean like sure he made a "contradiction" but people don't make contradictions they surely notice (if mafia) they are being called out for it (see for example Tumblewood and his "vets cannot be read" -> "i have a at least a somewhat read on all vets now").
Mafia makes contradictions they don't even realize are one (see Damdred).
hmmm... isnt that a bit like too scummy to be scum?
On March 20 2017 03:34 Xatalos wrote: Meanwhile you call me scum for not fighting to save Malongo when you had pretty much the same attitude to him as I did... Although you had a bit stronger feelings of him being scum, you also had similarly stronger feelings of Damdred being scum than I had of you/Tumble. So in the end, you're just calling me scum for doing almost exactly the same thing as you.
If you can't understand the difference between: - "I have 2 very sure scumreads and both of them are leading wagons" - "I have 3 scumreads which cannot be scum together in the first place and i don't fight against the lynch of the one i actually don't really think i scum"
..then i don't know what to say.
quick chime in: I am actually pretty cool with the bolded, as I think that can very well come from a town mindset. there might be a problem in your interactions with damdred (which is at least what damdred is on about imo), but I havent gotten the time to double check myself.
general observation: scum probably spread out as hell. doesnt help us now, might be useful to remember later.
reasons for voting n stuff: rels: voting himself to not get modkilled. itself fairly NAI. getting annoyed that he hasnt done jack all game. null, starting to get scum points though. eden::
On March 19 2017 03:28 Eden1892 wrote: ##VOTE: Damdred
let's see what happens
into the weird plan thing, that was already discussed. onegu: voting DPS (the guys who said he is replacing out). reasons feel very onegu though. So blank null. koshi: early on mal. looks a bit of a poe to me. after voting me and onegu before that he decides that mal looks the worst and votes him.
On March 18 2017 00:59 Koshi wrote: Calix DBS rayn darth Xata Damdred Tumblewood disfo Rels Eden1892 Onegu Malongo
Something like this.
##unvote ##vote Malongo
a few mentions of mal before that though. so kinda makes sense. since he had 0 time to play, its hard to tell if he was really caring for the lynch etc.. overall I would like koshi to pick it up a bit again. agreeing with calix in overall downgrading koshi a bit. rayn: comes in with scumreads on xata, damdred and mal. with damdy #1 and mal #2. votes damdred, is cool with the mal lynch. some ppl said he should have pushed for damdy more, but I can see town being happy with their top 2 scum reads being a wagon each. so not too worried here based on the votings. darthfoley: probably the best case on malongo, votes him on that a bit later.
On March 18 2017 00:36 darthfoley wrote: The only part of rayn's post that I like is the Malongo read. I feel like his play so far has been forced
On March 17 2017 12:27 Malongo wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:57 darthfoley wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote: Oh! Also don't like Malongo
I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.
My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.
So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.
##ryanpelikoneet
Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.
Why do you think we're on the same team
i.e. why are you town reading me?
Just a first impression. Mostly because your position about null reading ryan and because you are calling me out. Don´t expect me to post substance anyways. My goal today is not to lynch Damdred/disformation.
The bolded I can actually understand from a town POV. The problem is that he hasn't done anything that amounts to scum hunting to really try to start another wagon. Yea sure, he voted on rayn but not for actual scum hunting reasons:
On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:
On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote: Oh! Also don't like Malongo
I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.
My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.
So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.
##ryanpelikoneet
Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.
This reasoning is just so bad to me, plus the fact that he doesn't actually try to push the wagon at all, or ask rayn/anyone else questions. He's not actually interacting with anyone
later adds:
On March 18 2017 05:54 darthfoley wrote:
On March 18 2017 05:15 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 05:10 Calix wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden
I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.
Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix.
Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.
I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.
That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
If you're already using pre-flip associations and getting tunnel vision re: me before anyone has even flipped then your reads are going to be so off it's not even funny.
What do you actually think of Malongo himself? Why exactly he is null to you?
Why wouldn't he be null? This is a weird concept, since people are null by default, but here goes.
He's null because he hasn't done anything relevant or important yet. He said something interesting about not liking the speed at which Damdred and disformation wagons grew. I like these kinds of observations, all else equal, but he didn't do anything with it and his vote on ray had no serious motivation behind it.
So the sum of his actions is... nothing. He made a potentially interesting observation and did nothing to make it actually interesting. He voted for some guy for no particular reason. It's a bunch of air. Null.
This is the main reason I voted on him. The first half of this is actually rather townie, but the failure to act on it and try to actively drive a wagon elsewhere is what makes me feel like he might be mafia either trying to save a partner or white-knighting after the lynch of a T
dont see a problem here. made a case on mal. first to vote. mal never posts anything making reconsidering. tumblewood
On March 19 2017 07:35 disformation wrote: so I'll probably look more into the votes tomorrow (reasoning/timing). lets see if I can find something.
outside of that I think looking into eden/tw might be a good thing to do. rayn vs damdy can maybe also be a thing.
On March 19 2017 07:42 disformation wrote: guess it should have been: especially into tumblewood and eden. eden had a real strange vote and tw and real strange eod.
I'm not sure I follow since those posts seem to square up with your current reads of Eden/ TW being scummy.
who cares if he agrees with me? it's day 1 for me.
promising activity (especially useless activity like VCA on day 1 votes alone) and not delivering
general observation: scum probably spread out as hell. doesnt help us now, might be useful to remember later.
reasons for voting n stuff: rels: voting himself to not get modkilled. itself fairly NAI. getting annoyed that he hasnt done jack all game. null, starting to get scum points though. eden::
On March 19 2017 03:28 Eden1892 wrote: ##VOTE: Damdred
let's see what happens
into the weird plan thing, that was already discussed. onegu: voting DPS (the guys who said he is replacing out). reasons feel very onegu though. So blank null. koshi: early on mal. looks a bit of a poe to me. after voting me and onegu before that he decides that mal looks the worst and votes him.
On March 18 2017 00:59 Koshi wrote: Calix DBS rayn darth Xata Damdred Tumblewood disfo Rels Eden1892 Onegu Malongo
Something like this.
##unvote ##vote Malongo
a few mentions of mal before that though. so kinda makes sense. since he had 0 time to play, its hard to tell if he was really caring for the lynch etc.. overall I would like koshi to pick it up a bit again. agreeing with calix in overall downgrading koshi a bit. rayn: comes in with scumreads on xata, damdred and mal. with damdy #1 and mal #2. votes damdred, is cool with the mal lynch. some ppl said he should have pushed for damdy more, but I can see town being happy with their top 2 scum reads being a wagon each. so not too worried here based on the votings. darthfoley: probably the best case on malongo, votes him on that a bit later.
On March 18 2017 00:36 darthfoley wrote: The only part of rayn's post that I like is the Malongo read. I feel like his play so far has been forced
On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote: Oh! Also don't like Malongo
I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.
My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.
So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.
##ryanpelikoneet
Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.
Why do you think we're on the same team
i.e. why are you town reading me?
Just a first impression. Mostly because your position about null reading ryan and because you are calling me out. Don´t expect me to post substance anyways. My goal today is not to lynch Damdred/disformation.
The bolded I can actually understand from a town POV. The problem is that he hasn't done anything that amounts to scum hunting to really try to start another wagon. Yea sure, he voted on rayn but not for actual scum hunting reasons:
On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote: Oh! Also don't like Malongo
I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.
My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.
So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.
##ryanpelikoneet
Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.
This reasoning is just so bad to me, plus the fact that he doesn't actually try to push the wagon at all, or ask rayn/anyone else questions. He's not actually interacting with anyone
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden
I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.
Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix.
Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.
I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.
That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
If you're already using pre-flip associations and getting tunnel vision re: me before anyone has even flipped then your reads are going to be so off it's not even funny.
What do you actually think of Malongo himself? Why exactly he is null to you?
Why wouldn't he be null? This is a weird concept, since people are null by default, but here goes.
He's null because he hasn't done anything relevant or important yet. He said something interesting about not liking the speed at which Damdred and disformation wagons grew. I like these kinds of observations, all else equal, but he didn't do anything with it and his vote on ray had no serious motivation behind it.
So the sum of his actions is... nothing. He made a potentially interesting observation and did nothing to make it actually interesting. He voted for some guy for no particular reason. It's a bunch of air. Null.
This is the main reason I voted on him. The first half of this is actually rather townie, but the failure to act on it and try to actively drive a wagon elsewhere is what makes me feel like he might be mafia either trying to save a partner or white-knighting after the lynch of a T
dont see a problem here. made a case on mal. first to vote. mal never posts anything making reconsidering. tumblewood
okay. where was I. tumblewood strongly suspicious of rayn. kinda waffles on/off that wagon a lot near deadline. spoiler cause long: + Show Spoiler +
On March 19 2017 02:33 Tumblewood wrote: oh shit i forgot to change my vote guess that's what we have onegu for. i don't really wanna end up on him by the end of the day though, i have some decision making to do
On March 19 2017 06:24 Tumblewood wrote: hi I'm back and I don't have time to catch up by deadline. it looks like everyone's on malongo by now and while I'd like to lynch someone worse I'm not crazy about him someone who can explain any major new developments to me would be appreciated otherwise I will skim
On March 18 2017 13:58 Tumblewood wrote: okay great filter sesh! where i am at
town, i think calix disfo eden malongo dbs koshi?
needs more examination but their filters were kinda long rayn damdred xata koshi?
bad rels onegu
scummy df
Can you explain how you want from thisto willing to lynch mal
willing-ish just then because plynches are never bad but the wagon is so sketchy that I am swinging back to no
On March 19 2017 06:43 Tumblewood wrote: I kinda don't wanna lynch rayn either though because who wants to be *that guy* who mislynches rayn d1? I will keep my vote on him but I'll have to force myself to
On March 19 2017 06:46 Tumblewood wrote: rayn/damdred is the pair that makes the most sense to me given vote logic. malongo wagon formed easily without rayn's vote. and then koshi as a third or something? trying to make a whole team on d1 is a bad idea and I feel bad already oooooh this could also mean mal town rayn town hnnnnggnggngngnnfmd
On March 19 2017 06:53 Tumblewood wrote: if I had to decide right now, to answer df, it would be malongo who I don't see being useful for either side but tells us a lot more than rels or onegu. and then I'd lynch rayn if mal flips town
tbh. after rereading it, it kinda makes no sense to me as either alignment. Only explanation for the mal town lean was:
On March 18 2017 13:46 Tumblewood wrote: and actually i would like to give malongo the benefit of the doubt for today. it is a tone thing. seems fickle and all over the place, which is ok and encouraged in tumblewood's townable world
Though. I can kinda understand downgrading mal to a plynch after mal coming back to do nothing.
Like town could have been waffly at deadline. TW also could be scum being worried to look bad for being on the wrong wagon. which could explain the:
- but I didn't switch at deadline because of basically what you guys have been yelling at me about
from:
On March 19 2017 08:41 Tumblewood wrote: I will explain the thought process just a little more and from then on I will not give a useful response ok:
- before leaving, I got real suspicious of rayn - when I came back, I saw malongo was still afk and I was like "a plynch isn't the end of the world" - then I saw the votes and switched back to malongo as a bad wagon - then (internally) I mulled over rayn as being useful compared to malongo, switched back to being but still on rayn - I saw calix's post about shenannies being bad and decided not to go after rayn - but I didn't switch at deadline because of basically what you guys have been yelling at me about - after deadline I realized a shenanny was probably not that bad because most of the active players were town
I doubted myself okay
as in being overly conscious about how he looks to the thread.
Not impossible to come from town, but I am leaning scum on that.
On March 20 2017 05:09 Calix wrote: I'm town-reading Tweedledumb because every fucking time someone pressures him, he consistently comes back with extremely townie responses and reactions to things which might not subscribe to conventional wisdom as to what townies 'should' do but look genuine nonetheless. He isn't trying to look good either; something I believe mafia in this game would aim to do. Case in point, his response to rayn and open admission of not having any proper scum-reads/ wanting to vote someone who had not posted.
Also he seems like the easy scum-read for most people right now and it's giving me deja-vu vibes a la Malongo.
On March 20 2017 05:01 disformation wrote: i guess that means you disagree with my point on tumble?
There was a point?
Reading your "well maybe he has an alignment" post made me so demotivated that I'm not even sure you believe it yourself.
And if you don't believe it then why should I? As you note, there is plenty of doubt about Tweedledumb's alignment around EOD.
yeah. fine. if you ppl dont read my posts at all i just can stop posting them.
the point that his "paranoia" can very well be mafia being paranoid of looking bad of what is soon to be a lynched town.
We would barely notice, scumformation
I don't see why scum!Tweedledumb would have even bothered posting what he did at EOD. Makes no sense to come in, fumble around between wagons and basically do nothing but look extremely and overtly suspicious for NO gain.
why would town!tw post that then? thats my problems, as described in the earlier post. doesnt make a lot of sense as either alignment. so it goes both ways aaand is a bit of a too scummy to be scum argument again.
i also admit that it is not full lockdown slam dunk scum, but i think it has a decent chance to come from scum. so a scum lean.
hmmmm. I know I had that problem as scum before. like fear of being on the "wrong" wagon. but yeah if rayn are town and mal are town I as scum!tw probably wouldnt give a flying fuck? like if the wagons where close and he had to decide it would make more sense to be nervous then...
still dont fully understand why he posted that though... xD
On March 20 2017 05:20 disformation wrote: hmmmm. I know I had that problem as scum before. like fear of being on the "wrong" wagon. but yeah if rayn are town and mal are town I as scum!tw probably wouldnt give a flying fuck? like if the wagons where close and he had to decide it would make more sense to be nervous then...
still dont fully understand why he posted that though... xD
The only reasons I can see are
1) giving an excuse to himself for possibly voting to save rayn as deadline approaches
OR
2) genuinely being confused and perhaps not being entirely logical
On March 19 2017 06:24 Tumblewood wrote: hi I'm back and I don't have time to catch up by deadline. it looks like everyone's on malongo by now and while I'd like to lynch someone worse I'm not crazy about him someone who can explain any major new developments to me would be appreciated otherwise I will skim
Can somebody explain to me what this meant?
ah we were just discussing tw's eod. he had a weak town lean on malongo earlier, but put him down to a plych, after malongo came in to a bunch of votes on him and gave no reads. so he was like "its an okay plynch, but i would rather lynch a scum read of mine"
On March 20 2017 05:25 Calix wrote: And yes, I don't understand how the concept of "townies under pressure are usually not logical" is just clicking with you two now
Anyway, have I made myself clear? I feel dirty from defending someone for so long, ugh.
eh, i often have a hard time to differentiate between "makes no sense in a town way" and "makes no sense in a scum way".
On March 18 2017 13:58 Tumblewood wrote: okay great filter sesh! where i am at
town, i think calix disfo eden malongo dbs koshi?
needs more examination but their filters were kinda long rayn damdred xata koshi?
bad rels onegu
scummy df
Can you explain how you want from thisto willing to lynch mal
willing-ish just then because plynches are never bad but the wagon is so sketchy that I am swinging back to no
I would like to point out you guys aretalking about giving someone a free pass tommorow for being jumpy from one wagon to the next.
Even though he didn't start doing that until he got called out for the shot he was doing with his townread.
LikeI he was doing it before I called him out we would be cool. But he didnt.
hmm?
Tumble did not start pulling the confused not sure where he wanted to go until he started getting called out and questioned about why he wanted to lynch his townread.
Then he said he didn't want to lynch rayn, but the vote should be damdred v rayn.
This sequence is distinctly different from someone who justbisnt sure what he wants to do.
okay lemme check timing again:
On March 19 2017 06:24 Tumblewood wrote: hi I'm back and I don't have time to catch up by deadline. it looks like everyone's on malongo by now and while I'd like to lynch someone worse I'm not crazy about him someone who can explain any major new developments to me would be appreciated otherwise I will skim
On March 18 2017 13:58 Tumblewood wrote: okay great filter sesh! where i am at
town, i think calix disfo eden malongo dbs koshi?
needs more examination but their filters were kinda long rayn damdred xata koshi?
bad rels onegu
scummy df
Can you explain how you want from thisto willing to lynch mal
then he kinda backtracks:
On March 19 2017 06:38 Tumblewood wrote: the thing that gets me is, how the hell is rayn so confident on a guy with half a page of filter including pregame? there is a lot wrong with this wagon I want this lynch to not happen more strongly that I just said
On March 18 2017 13:58 Tumblewood wrote: okay great filter sesh! where i am at
town, i think calix disfo eden malongo dbs koshi?
needs more examination but their filters were kinda long rayn damdred xata koshi?
bad rels onegu
scummy df
Can you explain how you want from thisto willing to lynch mal
willing-ish just then because plynches are never bad but the wagon is so sketchy that I am swinging back to no
and doesnt want to lynch rayn?
On March 19 2017 06:43 Tumblewood wrote: I kinda don't wanna lynch rayn either though because who wants to be *that guy* who mislynches rayn d1? I will keep my vote on him but I'll have to force myself to
then he says scum is damdred or rayn:
On March 19 2017 06:46 Tumblewood wrote: rayn/damdred is the pair that makes the most sense to me given vote logic. malongo wagon formed easily without rayn's vote. and then koshi as a third or something? trying to make a whole team on d1 is a bad idea and I feel bad already oooooh this could also mean mal town rayn town hnnnnggnggngngnnfmd
so yeah dunno. damdred called him out then the weird shit happens.
On March 20 2017 06:59 disformation wrote: would like to write something up on eden, but i feel like it would only end up as a weaker/worse version of ritoky's stuff.
also want to look at rayn, öiked koshis recent posts on him.
hope rels finds some time to finally do something this phase.
On March 20 2017 08:33 Calix wrote: Also it's quite amazing that even when I point out how useless disformation has been, nobody cares.
Looking for widely-town-read scummer? Check!
Looking for someone who is coasting and saying basically nothing? Check!
Looking for someone who is rarely discussed and who nobody seems to give a shit about? We have a winner!
Don't understand how me being widely town read makes me scum. Don't understand how me being not discussed makes me scum either.
On March 20 2017 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah disformation is a suddenly a good candidate for mafia.
y tho?
On March 20 2017 08:44 darthfoley wrote: regarding disformation
1. his vote on me was poopstick. he scum reads me for like a day because of an apologetic post I made towards Xata for being wrong about something lol. never really explains it
2. i looked extensively for his reasoning for voting Malongo and didn't find much. I also think it's a little weird that he voted for Malongo (and I started Malongo's wagon in terms of voting, provided the second case, etc.) when he was still sort of scum reading me the hardest.
On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote: i think in my brain its kinda like: df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
On March 18 2017 01:12 disformation wrote: Hm. I think I still would prefer Mal over Damdred. Esp. now that I feel better about df. Putting my vote on mal. Probably need to rethink my read list a bit overall.
Didn't really explain why he felt better about me. He also never attempted to really steer the wagon towards me even though he said i was most scum. Which is basically the reason he parroted from me to vote for Malongo. He town leans me for tone but again, that is such an easy lean for people to make.
Since then, I agree that disformation has been talked about probably less than anyone else in the game, which is quite weird considering how shaky his play was early D1.
... 1)
On March 17 2017 17:51 disformation wrote: Not a fan how DF mentions this:
On March 17 2017 09:22 darthfoley wrote: actually nvm the op doesn't include letters regarding the setups. so maybe town points for trying to clarify what Eden meant?
but then goes on to ignore xata/damdy/me
point was that i makes 0 sense for you to mention edens post and then ignore the whole mess that build up on the back of that. I also think I had another post saying though. here:
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
On March 17 2017 22:51 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
mal is fairly 50/50 to me. On one hand I kinda like him coming in being like "your wagons suck, imma make my own wagon with black jack and coke", on the other nothing he really says has a whole lot of substance. Like incredible hard to tell if he is town, really not liking the wagons, or if he is scum not wanting to comment on them.
Do you have any other reasons to scum-read DF outside of him ignoring your discussion? I would like to see DF/ Malongo get stuck in more but that is about it.
On the one hand, deviating from the status quo gets Malongo attention. On the other hand, he's just voting for raynpelikoneet because of his early-game trolling (which reminds him of another game). So he's not risking much there since there's no pressure for him to persuade people to vote in that direction and it doesn't help his stated "don't lynch Damdred/ disformation" goal. It's weak.
Well, it gives df a higher chance at being scum than tw or mal, so yes. Not sure about the mal stuff, are you saying it is more likely scum than 50/50, or are you agreeing on the 50/50?
Now that I'm not in OMGUSville, I'm not as sure on DF as I was.
I was considering whether Malongo's words line up with his actions and concluded no, so the former.
Mh. Well TW didnt comment on a bunch of stuff. But after DF's mention on Xata's reaction to the setup stuff I was very sure that he would comment on the xata/damdy/me stuff, it is really odd to me that he didn't. Can kinda see the point on Mal though. Like the result of his posts was him avoiding taking stances, voting on a dead wagon and gtfoing with all options open.
also bleeds in into: 2) where i from the above two points go into:
On March 17 2017 23:43 disformation wrote: mh. wasnt aware that mal used to play here back in the day. think i'll move him at least below tw.
On March 18 2017 00:25 disformation wrote: hm the damdred thing isnt that easy. like for some reason I remember seeing more posts that I liked. damdy is a good scum player though, so these are probably not outside his scumrange. Stuffs I liked. This looked like he was legit unsure about my alignment:
On March 17 2017 09:28 Damdred wrote: As for my thoughts on disformation in not sure.
I think there is a huge mmicommunication and we are somewhere list in translation. Like the whole argument might be kinda bad because I think he was looking for a real reason I was scum reading xata.
But still doesn't make a lot of sense meh.
But he's sometimes super defensive on town so I just need more time to evaluate him tbh.
You could say he is hedging / keeping his options open, but imo this post is more likely to come from town. Esp. since I think scum would be more eager to vote the counter wagon to himself. I didn't mind the xata/calix reads:
On March 17 2017 09:59 Damdred wrote: Xata started as a gut read from his first playful banter. He generally as scum is pretty tense non fluid and kinda lacks much in the way of anything. I felt he was the opposite at the start, he flowed with the game thread was involved and tried to understand players.
I thought he looked town tbh.
Calix is a dick (lovable ) as town and is more free with the town reads. As scum hedges and is more middle of the road. Here really I involved even early trying to ferret out people. I liked it early and liked thebdickishness that was displayed towards koshi trying to get him to play.
Also for the record I think disf probably going to be town. Seems legit confused atvpoints, has time to back pedal and just explain and would get pressure off him but doesn't do it and just moved straight ahead. I still would like some explanation from him but yeahbi don't think scum woulddd play to bring that much attention to himself without trying to be it of him before he leaves. (Sorts bad read by hownibfeel)
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
though koshi/rayn pointed out some weak points in damdred's posting. not entirely sure what to make of it. i dont think this game it outside of damdred's scum range. guess the question is whether rayn is right and damdred tried to set me up with that question, or if it was part of the miscommunication that was going on. =/
On March 18 2017 00:43 darthfoley wrote: As for Damdred/disformation: atm I think there are better lynch options. I feel like i've played 3 games in which disformation doesn't really have a good day 1 as town, but makes up for it as the game moves on.
I'm still quite nervous about Calix's and Damdred's interactions so far. Something just feels off, but I don't have a gotcha! quote to explain it.
These posts also blow
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote: ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
On March 18 2017 00:14 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 17 2017 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote: ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
This isn't a good argument. If disformation is scum regardless of how widely townread Calix is he has to go into the argument with him because Calix is calling him mafia. Why wouldn't disformation go into argument with Calix if Calix is mafia and he is town? That would mean that Calix' argument is bs so NOT going into an argument with him makes no sense.
this is based off of the assumption that calix is town (duh, anyone so anal is probably town). also scum can totally ignore the accusation. it wasn't exactly threatening and the omgus defense is mostly a last resort. seeing two people go at it without interacting with the rest of the thread is a tell I will always call
1. Of course scum!disformation would go into an argument with one of the primary people scum reading him. What is he supposed to do? Ignore it and try to indirectly buddy her? This is such a crap reason to town read a veteran player.
2. I get so fucking triggered anytime one of you fuckers uses anal/cursing/emotion to town read someone. It's literally the easiest thing to do over forum mafia. ASK LIGHTNINGSTRIKE THEN ASK ME AND RELS IF IT IS A TOWN TELL
The triggered part make me smile. Less likely to be scum. Lemme unvote.
Yes, my point on you wasnt that strong, so you do something I like and bam you suddenly look better than mal and tw. mal was simply the most scummiest player in the game. i vote him. I also explain the movement on my list in the post here:
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation? Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote: Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing. I'll try to make it as clear as possible: 1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself: "Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?" 2. I read Xatas posts "uh nothing?" 3. I read Xatas posts "uh still nothing?" 4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?" Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote: And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like: "wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face 8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote. 9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really following the conversation here.
I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.
10. I go *facepalm* 11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?
Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation? Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote: Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing. I'll try to make it as clear as possible: 1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself: "Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?" 2. I read Xatas posts "uh nothing?" 3. I read Xatas posts "uh still nothing?" 4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?" Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote: And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like: "wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face 8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote. 9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really following the conversation here.
I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.
10. I go *facepalm* 11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?
Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
On March 17 2017 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait disformation. How can Rels be more townie than "somewhere between null and town lean"?
He isnt?
On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote: i think in my brain its kinda like: df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
left most scum, right least scum. so df most scum, you least scum.
since then I moved mal down below tw. move df up, above rels/1eg/eden. damdy down a bit, but not entirely sure where to put him atm. might want to move rayn, too. not sure. will update fully later.
On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote: you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game
can you summarize your thoughts on the game atm: lynch trains/reads/no lynch circle for you, etc?
calix & disfo are town I liked dbs but that read's back to null again after a disappointing continuation malongo is a slight town lean I like rayn and xata by gut buuut I can't explain why Damdred is ok? Koshi too no one who is actually playing is striking me as scummy so I might just park my vote on onegu
Explain to me why you think i am town when i have called out people you are townreading and you said you cannot make a good read on vets so far?
I was trying to see if I could figure out why damdred was scumread xatalos, because I didnt get that damdred was joke voting xatalos and that was the best thing i could come up with. so i was expecting something good from damdred and was disappointed when damdred came up with something even worse than what i had.
tldr:
but you probably didnt read that post.
On March 20 2017 08:46 Calix wrote: Yes it is. You would have thought that more people would have wanted to mislynch disformation or at least smear his name in discussions. But no, Rels and Onegu come up way more. It's weird.
Huh? YOU tried to ml me. Together with Xata. There were also multiple ppl N1 saying my stuff is weak sauce.
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden darthfoley disformation
you're annoying me. Why disformation?
Tell me what disformation has actually done lately.
All of his posts since N1 are extremely boring and you could take them all out without missing anything since there is no notable contribution to the discussion. Even his VCA posts - something he prides himself on - are generic and didn't say anything interesting.
By all means, flag up a post since N1 that is extremely townie or useful. I would like to see it.
In fact, I'm going to vote for him. Again.
##vote disformation
Being boring doesn't make me scum. Should have spend my Sunday playing something else. Put work into the game get scumread. Dont put work into the game get scumread. I REALLY like how you start scumreading me for basically the same reasons damdred / df call you out for:
On March 20 2017 07:12 Damdred wrote: So for instance tumble is above koshi and me?
I don't think I understand how you are reading this game. And it seems you were worried about the game being super easy and going for lynch bait people earlier.
You have two lynch bait by your definition in your list atm. And if you aren't super convinced about either rayn or eitojy wagon why are they even in your top four instead of with koshi and i.
You just seem mega passive atm and more wanting to argue people town instead of finding scum.
Calix your bugging me atm...
On March 20 2017 07:36 darthfoley wrote: Although I agree that Calix could be doing more pushing than she currently is on some of the people in her master plan scenario
And arguing about bleh points like with over tw is exactly how you play scum. gj on pocketing/buddying tw btw.
Calix also only starts calling me scum again after koshi did so. timestamps:
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden darthfoley disformation
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden darthfoley disformation
you're annoying me. Why disformation?
Tell me what disformation has actually done lately.
All of his posts since N1 are extremely boring and you could take them all out without missing anything since there is no notable contribution to the discussion. Even his VCA posts - something he prides himself on - are generic and didn't say anything interesting.
By all means, flag up a post since N1 that is extremely townie or useful. I would like to see it.
In fact, I'm going to vote for him. Again.
##vote disformation
Kinda reminds me of how scum!rels was trying to get me mislynched in that qualifier game. his argument was him saying that i had 0 original thoughts that game, backed by faulty meta.
i dont mind being the counterwagon to someone who is very likely to flip scum, but dont let her deflect the lynch off eden.
i can somewhat see where df is coming from, but calix is scum.
eden/calix/x
if rayn is jk and right with his theory x is one of xata/koshi otherwise it is probably just rels.
On March 20 2017 17:38 Calix wrote: disformation, that was an extremely lame OMGUS (again, lol) and the fact that you put more effort into defending yourself than you have into doing anything else is not helping you.
Not to mention that claiming I called you mafia because Koshi put you in his shit-list without explanation (???) is the most retarded argument in the thread.
No. You are lock scum to me. You pushed me most of D1 and then did nothing. N1 you only argue around a bit, but basically do nothing. PPL call you out on doing nothing you push me again.
On March 20 2017 17:38 Calix wrote: disformation, that was an extremely lame OMGUS (again, lol) and the fact that you put more effort into defending yourself than you have into doing anything else is not helping you.
Not to mention that claiming I called you mafia because Koshi put you in his shit-list without explanation (???) is the most retarded argument in the thread.
No. You are lock scum to me. You pushed me most of D1 and then did nothing. N1 you only argue around a bit, but basically do nothing. PPL call you out on doing nothing you push me again.
Also sry, but finding scum off of real bad pushes on me is a thing
On March 20 2017 17:38 Calix wrote: disformation, that was an extremely lame OMGUS (again, lol) and the fact that you put more effort into defending yourself than you have into doing anything else is not helping you.
Not to mention that claiming I called you mafia because Koshi put you in his shit-list without explanation (???) is the most retarded argument in the thread.
No. You are lock scum to me. You pushed me most of D1 and then did nothing. N1 you only argue around a bit, but basically do nothing. PPL call you out on doing nothing you push me again.
So I'm only 'lock scum' after I push you again? K
Tell me what YOU'VE done this game. Go on, I'll wait.
I can't wait to see how you can accuse me of 'basically doing nothing' when your filter is 90% defending, going along with thread sentiment and fluff posts. The irony is extremely high right now.
isnt telling you what ive done this game even more defending?
and going along with the thread sentiment is extremely nai for me, as anyone who ever played with you can tell very easily.
On March 20 2017 08:33 Calix wrote: Also it's quite amazing that even when I point out how useless disformation has been, nobody cares.
Looking for widely-town-read scummer? Check!
Looking for someone who is coasting and saying basically nothing? Check!
Looking for someone who is rarely discussed and who nobody seems to give a shit about? We have a winner!
Don't understand how me being widely town read makes me scum. Don't understand how me being not discussed makes me scum either.
On March 20 2017 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah disformation is a suddenly a good candidate for mafia.
y tho?
On March 20 2017 08:44 darthfoley wrote: regarding disformation
1. his vote on me was poopstick. he scum reads me for like a day because of an apologetic post I made towards Xata for being wrong about something lol. never really explains it
2. i looked extensively for his reasoning for voting Malongo and didn't find much. I also think it's a little weird that he voted for Malongo (and I started Malongo's wagon in terms of voting, provided the second case, etc.) when he was still sort of scum reading me the hardest.
On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote: i think in my brain its kinda like: df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
On March 18 2017 01:12 disformation wrote: Hm. I think I still would prefer Mal over Damdred. Esp. now that I feel better about df. Putting my vote on mal. Probably need to rethink my read list a bit overall.
Didn't really explain why he felt better about me. He also never attempted to really steer the wagon towards me even though he said i was most scum. Which is basically the reason he parroted from me to vote for Malongo. He town leans me for tone but again, that is such an easy lean for people to make.
Since then, I agree that disformation has been talked about probably less than anyone else in the game, which is quite weird considering how shaky his play was early D1.
... 1)
On March 17 2017 17:51 disformation wrote: Not a fan how DF mentions this:
On March 17 2017 09:22 darthfoley wrote: actually nvm the op doesn't include letters regarding the setups. so maybe town points for trying to clarify what Eden meant?
but then goes on to ignore xata/damdy/me
point was that i makes 0 sense for you to mention edens post and then ignore the whole mess that build up on the back of that. I also think I had another post saying though. here:
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
On March 17 2017 22:51 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
mal is fairly 50/50 to me. On one hand I kinda like him coming in being like "your wagons suck, imma make my own wagon with black jack and coke", on the other nothing he really says has a whole lot of substance. Like incredible hard to tell if he is town, really not liking the wagons, or if he is scum not wanting to comment on them.
Do you have any other reasons to scum-read DF outside of him ignoring your discussion? I would like to see DF/ Malongo get stuck in more but that is about it.
On the one hand, deviating from the status quo gets Malongo attention. On the other hand, he's just voting for raynpelikoneet because of his early-game trolling (which reminds him of another game). So he's not risking much there since there's no pressure for him to persuade people to vote in that direction and it doesn't help his stated "don't lynch Damdred/ disformation" goal. It's weak.
Well, it gives df a higher chance at being scum than tw or mal, so yes. Not sure about the mal stuff, are you saying it is more likely scum than 50/50, or are you agreeing on the 50/50?
Now that I'm not in OMGUSville, I'm not as sure on DF as I was.
I was considering whether Malongo's words line up with his actions and concluded no, so the former.
Mh. Well TW didnt comment on a bunch of stuff. But after DF's mention on Xata's reaction to the setup stuff I was very sure that he would comment on the xata/damdy/me stuff, it is really odd to me that he didn't. Can kinda see the point on Mal though. Like the result of his posts was him avoiding taking stances, voting on a dead wagon and gtfoing with all options open.
also bleeds in into: 2) where i from the above two points go into:
On March 17 2017 23:43 disformation wrote: mh. wasnt aware that mal used to play here back in the day. think i'll move him at least below tw.
On March 18 2017 00:25 disformation wrote: hm the damdred thing isnt that easy. like for some reason I remember seeing more posts that I liked. damdy is a good scum player though, so these are probably not outside his scumrange. Stuffs I liked. This looked like he was legit unsure about my alignment:
On March 17 2017 09:28 Damdred wrote: As for my thoughts on disformation in not sure.
I think there is a huge mmicommunication and we are somewhere list in translation. Like the whole argument might be kinda bad because I think he was looking for a real reason I was scum reading xata.
But still doesn't make a lot of sense meh.
But he's sometimes super defensive on town so I just need more time to evaluate him tbh.
You could say he is hedging / keeping his options open, but imo this post is more likely to come from town. Esp. since I think scum would be more eager to vote the counter wagon to himself. I didn't mind the xata/calix reads:
On March 17 2017 09:59 Damdred wrote: Xata started as a gut read from his first playful banter. He generally as scum is pretty tense non fluid and kinda lacks much in the way of anything. I felt he was the opposite at the start, he flowed with the game thread was involved and tried to understand players.
I thought he looked town tbh.
Calix is a dick (lovable ) as town and is more free with the town reads. As scum hedges and is more middle of the road. Here really I involved even early trying to ferret out people. I liked it early and liked thebdickishness that was displayed towards koshi trying to get him to play.
Also for the record I think disf probably going to be town. Seems legit confused atvpoints, has time to back pedal and just explain and would get pressure off him but doesn't do it and just moved straight ahead. I still would like some explanation from him but yeahbi don't think scum woulddd play to bring that much attention to himself without trying to be it of him before he leaves. (Sorts bad read by hownibfeel)
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
though koshi/rayn pointed out some weak points in damdred's posting. not entirely sure what to make of it. i dont think this game it outside of damdred's scum range. guess the question is whether rayn is right and damdred tried to set me up with that question, or if it was part of the miscommunication that was going on. =/
On March 18 2017 00:43 darthfoley wrote: As for Damdred/disformation: atm I think there are better lynch options. I feel like i've played 3 games in which disformation doesn't really have a good day 1 as town, but makes up for it as the game moves on.
I'm still quite nervous about Calix's and Damdred's interactions so far. Something just feels off, but I don't have a gotcha! quote to explain it.
These posts also blow
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote: ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
On March 18 2017 00:14 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 17 2017 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote: ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
This isn't a good argument. If disformation is scum regardless of how widely townread Calix is he has to go into the argument with him because Calix is calling him mafia. Why wouldn't disformation go into argument with Calix if Calix is mafia and he is town? That would mean that Calix' argument is bs so NOT going into an argument with him makes no sense.
this is based off of the assumption that calix is town (duh, anyone so anal is probably town). also scum can totally ignore the accusation. it wasn't exactly threatening and the omgus defense is mostly a last resort. seeing two people go at it without interacting with the rest of the thread is a tell I will always call
1. Of course scum!disformation would go into an argument with one of the primary people scum reading him. What is he supposed to do? Ignore it and try to indirectly buddy her? This is such a crap reason to town read a veteran player.
2. I get so fucking triggered anytime one of you fuckers uses anal/cursing/emotion to town read someone. It's literally the easiest thing to do over forum mafia. ASK LIGHTNINGSTRIKE THEN ASK ME AND RELS IF IT IS A TOWN TELL
The triggered part make me smile. Less likely to be scum. Lemme unvote.
Yes, my point on you wasnt that strong, so you do something I like and bam you suddenly look better than mal and tw. mal was simply the most scummiest player in the game. i vote him. I also explain the movement on my list in the post here:
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation? Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote: Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing. I'll try to make it as clear as possible: 1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself: "Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?" 2. I read Xatas posts "uh nothing?" 3. I read Xatas posts "uh still nothing?" 4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?" Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote: And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like: "wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face 8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote. 9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really following the conversation here.
I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.
10. I go *facepalm* 11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?
Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation? Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote: Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing. I'll try to make it as clear as possible: 1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself: "Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?" 2. I read Xatas posts "uh nothing?" 3. I read Xatas posts "uh still nothing?" 4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?" Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote: And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like: "wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face 8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote. 9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really following the conversation here.
I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.
10. I go *facepalm* 11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?
Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
On March 17 2017 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait disformation. How can Rels be more townie than "somewhere between null and town lean"?
He isnt?
On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote: i think in my brain its kinda like: df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
left most scum, right least scum. so df most scum, you least scum.
since then I moved mal down below tw. move df up, above rels/1eg/eden. damdy down a bit, but not entirely sure where to put him atm. might want to move rayn, too. not sure. will update fully later.
On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote: you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game
can you summarize your thoughts on the game atm: lynch trains/reads/no lynch circle for you, etc?
calix & disfo are town I liked dbs but that read's back to null again after a disappointing continuation malongo is a slight town lean I like rayn and xata by gut buuut I can't explain why Damdred is ok? Koshi too no one who is actually playing is striking me as scummy so I might just park my vote on onegu
Explain to me why you think i am town when i have called out people you are townreading and you said you cannot make a good read on vets so far?
I was trying to see if I could figure out why damdred was scumread xatalos, because I didnt get that damdred was joke voting xatalos and that was the best thing i could come up with. so i was expecting something good from damdred and was disappointed when damdred came up with something even worse than what i had.
tldr:
but you probably didnt read that post.
On March 20 2017 08:46 Calix wrote: Yes it is. You would have thought that more people would have wanted to mislynch disformation or at least smear his name in discussions. But no, Rels and Onegu come up way more. It's weird.
Huh? YOU tried to ml me. Together with Xata. There were also multiple ppl N1 saying my stuff is weak sauce.
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden darthfoley disformation
you're annoying me. Why disformation?
Tell me what disformation has actually done lately.
All of his posts since N1 are extremely boring and you could take them all out without missing anything since there is no notable contribution to the discussion. Even his VCA posts - something he prides himself on - are generic and didn't say anything interesting.
By all means, flag up a post since N1 that is extremely townie or useful. I would like to see it.
In fact, I'm going to vote for him. Again.
##vote disformation
Being boring doesn't make me scum. Should have spend my Sunday playing something else. Put work into the game get scumread. Dont put work into the game get scumread. I REALLY like how you start scumreading me for basically the same reasons damdred / df call you out for:
On March 20 2017 07:12 Damdred wrote: So for instance tumble is above koshi and me?
I don't think I understand how you are reading this game. And it seems you were worried about the game being super easy and going for lynch bait people earlier.
You have two lynch bait by your definition in your list atm. And if you aren't super convinced about either rayn or eitojy wagon why are they even in your top four instead of with koshi and i.
You just seem mega passive atm and more wanting to argue people town instead of finding scum.
Calix your bugging me atm...
On March 20 2017 07:36 darthfoley wrote: Although I agree that Calix could be doing more pushing than she currently is on some of the people in her master plan scenario
And arguing about bleh points like with over tw is exactly how you play scum. gj on pocketing/buddying tw btw.
Calix also only starts calling me scum again after koshi did so. timestamps:
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden darthfoley disformation
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden darthfoley disformation
you're annoying me. Why disformation?
Tell me what disformation has actually done lately.
All of his posts since N1 are extremely boring and you could take them all out without missing anything since there is no notable contribution to the discussion. Even his VCA posts - something he prides himself on - are generic and didn't say anything interesting.
By all means, flag up a post since N1 that is extremely townie or useful. I would like to see it.
In fact, I'm going to vote for him. Again.
##vote disformation
Kinda reminds me of how scum!rels was trying to get me mislynched in that qualifier game. his argument was him saying that i had 0 original thoughts that game, backed by faulty meta.
i dont mind being the counterwagon to someone who is very likely to flip scum, but dont let her deflect the lynch off eden.
i can somewhat see where df is coming from, but calix is scum.
eden/calix/x
if rayn is jk and right with his theory x is one of xata/koshi otherwise it is probably just rels.
Like the weakest reason to ever scumread somebody. She has around 500 reasons why to be town, and you call her mafia because she doesn't want to vote mafia Eden? Come on.
my big problem is that multiple ppl had to prod her into action / started to get suspicious about her.
On March 20 2017 08:33 Calix wrote: Also it's quite amazing that even when I point out how useless disformation has been, nobody cares.
Looking for widely-town-read scummer? Check!
Looking for someone who is coasting and saying basically nothing? Check!
Looking for someone who is rarely discussed and who nobody seems to give a shit about? We have a winner!
Don't understand how me being widely town read makes me scum. Don't understand how me being not discussed makes me scum either.
On March 20 2017 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah disformation is a suddenly a good candidate for mafia.
y tho?
On March 20 2017 08:44 darthfoley wrote: regarding disformation
1. his vote on me was poopstick. he scum reads me for like a day because of an apologetic post I made towards Xata for being wrong about something lol. never really explains it
2. i looked extensively for his reasoning for voting Malongo and didn't find much. I also think it's a little weird that he voted for Malongo (and I started Malongo's wagon in terms of voting, provided the second case, etc.) when he was still sort of scum reading me the hardest.
On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote: i think in my brain its kinda like: df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
On March 18 2017 01:12 disformation wrote: Hm. I think I still would prefer Mal over Damdred. Esp. now that I feel better about df. Putting my vote on mal. Probably need to rethink my read list a bit overall.
Didn't really explain why he felt better about me. He also never attempted to really steer the wagon towards me even though he said i was most scum. Which is basically the reason he parroted from me to vote for Malongo. He town leans me for tone but again, that is such an easy lean for people to make.
Since then, I agree that disformation has been talked about probably less than anyone else in the game, which is quite weird considering how shaky his play was early D1.
... 1)
On March 17 2017 17:51 disformation wrote: Not a fan how DF mentions this:
On March 17 2017 09:22 darthfoley wrote: actually nvm the op doesn't include letters regarding the setups. so maybe town points for trying to clarify what Eden meant?
but then goes on to ignore xata/damdy/me
point was that i makes 0 sense for you to mention edens post and then ignore the whole mess that build up on the back of that. I also think I had another post saying though. here:
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
On March 17 2017 22:51 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
mal is fairly 50/50 to me. On one hand I kinda like him coming in being like "your wagons suck, imma make my own wagon with black jack and coke", on the other nothing he really says has a whole lot of substance. Like incredible hard to tell if he is town, really not liking the wagons, or if he is scum not wanting to comment on them.
Do you have any other reasons to scum-read DF outside of him ignoring your discussion? I would like to see DF/ Malongo get stuck in more but that is about it.
On the one hand, deviating from the status quo gets Malongo attention. On the other hand, he's just voting for raynpelikoneet because of his early-game trolling (which reminds him of another game). So he's not risking much there since there's no pressure for him to persuade people to vote in that direction and it doesn't help his stated "don't lynch Damdred/ disformation" goal. It's weak.
Well, it gives df a higher chance at being scum than tw or mal, so yes. Not sure about the mal stuff, are you saying it is more likely scum than 50/50, or are you agreeing on the 50/50?
Now that I'm not in OMGUSville, I'm not as sure on DF as I was.
I was considering whether Malongo's words line up with his actions and concluded no, so the former.
Mh. Well TW didnt comment on a bunch of stuff. But after DF's mention on Xata's reaction to the setup stuff I was very sure that he would comment on the xata/damdy/me stuff, it is really odd to me that he didn't. Can kinda see the point on Mal though. Like the result of his posts was him avoiding taking stances, voting on a dead wagon and gtfoing with all options open.
also bleeds in into: 2) where i from the above two points go into:
On March 17 2017 23:43 disformation wrote: mh. wasnt aware that mal used to play here back in the day. think i'll move him at least below tw.
On March 18 2017 00:25 disformation wrote: hm the damdred thing isnt that easy. like for some reason I remember seeing more posts that I liked. damdy is a good scum player though, so these are probably not outside his scumrange. Stuffs I liked. This looked like he was legit unsure about my alignment:
On March 17 2017 09:28 Damdred wrote: As for my thoughts on disformation in not sure.
I think there is a huge mmicommunication and we are somewhere list in translation. Like the whole argument might be kinda bad because I think he was looking for a real reason I was scum reading xata.
But still doesn't make a lot of sense meh.
But he's sometimes super defensive on town so I just need more time to evaluate him tbh.
You could say he is hedging / keeping his options open, but imo this post is more likely to come from town. Esp. since I think scum would be more eager to vote the counter wagon to himself. I didn't mind the xata/calix reads:
On March 17 2017 09:59 Damdred wrote: Xata started as a gut read from his first playful banter. He generally as scum is pretty tense non fluid and kinda lacks much in the way of anything. I felt he was the opposite at the start, he flowed with the game thread was involved and tried to understand players.
I thought he looked town tbh.
Calix is a dick (lovable ) as town and is more free with the town reads. As scum hedges and is more middle of the road. Here really I involved even early trying to ferret out people. I liked it early and liked thebdickishness that was displayed towards koshi trying to get him to play.
Also for the record I think disf probably going to be town. Seems legit confused atvpoints, has time to back pedal and just explain and would get pressure off him but doesn't do it and just moved straight ahead. I still would like some explanation from him but yeahbi don't think scum woulddd play to bring that much attention to himself without trying to be it of him before he leaves. (Sorts bad read by hownibfeel)
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
though koshi/rayn pointed out some weak points in damdred's posting. not entirely sure what to make of it. i dont think this game it outside of damdred's scum range. guess the question is whether rayn is right and damdred tried to set me up with that question, or if it was part of the miscommunication that was going on. =/
On March 18 2017 00:43 darthfoley wrote: As for Damdred/disformation: atm I think there are better lynch options. I feel like i've played 3 games in which disformation doesn't really have a good day 1 as town, but makes up for it as the game moves on.
I'm still quite nervous about Calix's and Damdred's interactions so far. Something just feels off, but I don't have a gotcha! quote to explain it.
These posts also blow
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote: ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
On March 18 2017 00:14 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 17 2017 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote: ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
This isn't a good argument. If disformation is scum regardless of how widely townread Calix is he has to go into the argument with him because Calix is calling him mafia. Why wouldn't disformation go into argument with Calix if Calix is mafia and he is town? That would mean that Calix' argument is bs so NOT going into an argument with him makes no sense.
this is based off of the assumption that calix is town (duh, anyone so anal is probably town). also scum can totally ignore the accusation. it wasn't exactly threatening and the omgus defense is mostly a last resort. seeing two people go at it without interacting with the rest of the thread is a tell I will always call
1. Of course scum!disformation would go into an argument with one of the primary people scum reading him. What is he supposed to do? Ignore it and try to indirectly buddy her? This is such a crap reason to town read a veteran player.
2. I get so fucking triggered anytime one of you fuckers uses anal/cursing/emotion to town read someone. It's literally the easiest thing to do over forum mafia. ASK LIGHTNINGSTRIKE THEN ASK ME AND RELS IF IT IS A TOWN TELL
The triggered part make me smile. Less likely to be scum. Lemme unvote.
Yes, my point on you wasnt that strong, so you do something I like and bam you suddenly look better than mal and tw. mal was simply the most scummiest player in the game. i vote him. I also explain the movement on my list in the post here:
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation? Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote: Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing. I'll try to make it as clear as possible: 1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself: "Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?" 2. I read Xatas posts "uh nothing?" 3. I read Xatas posts "uh still nothing?" 4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?" Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote: And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like: "wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face 8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote. 9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really following the conversation here.
I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.
10. I go *facepalm* 11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?
Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation? Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote: Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing. I'll try to make it as clear as possible: 1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself: "Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?" 2. I read Xatas posts "uh nothing?" 3. I read Xatas posts "uh still nothing?" 4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?" Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote: And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like: "wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face 8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote. 9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really following the conversation here.
I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.
10. I go *facepalm* 11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?
Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
On March 17 2017 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait disformation. How can Rels be more townie than "somewhere between null and town lean"?
He isnt?
On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote: i think in my brain its kinda like: df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
left most scum, right least scum. so df most scum, you least scum.
since then I moved mal down below tw. move df up, above rels/1eg/eden. damdy down a bit, but not entirely sure where to put him atm. might want to move rayn, too. not sure. will update fully later.
On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote: you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game
can you summarize your thoughts on the game atm: lynch trains/reads/no lynch circle for you, etc?
calix & disfo are town I liked dbs but that read's back to null again after a disappointing continuation malongo is a slight town lean I like rayn and xata by gut buuut I can't explain why Damdred is ok? Koshi too no one who is actually playing is striking me as scummy so I might just park my vote on onegu
Explain to me why you think i am town when i have called out people you are townreading and you said you cannot make a good read on vets so far?
I was trying to see if I could figure out why damdred was scumread xatalos, because I didnt get that damdred was joke voting xatalos and that was the best thing i could come up with. so i was expecting something good from damdred and was disappointed when damdred came up with something even worse than what i had.
tldr:
but you probably didnt read that post.
On March 20 2017 08:46 Calix wrote: Yes it is. You would have thought that more people would have wanted to mislynch disformation or at least smear his name in discussions. But no, Rels and Onegu come up way more. It's weird.
Huh? YOU tried to ml me. Together with Xata. There were also multiple ppl N1 saying my stuff is weak sauce.
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden darthfoley disformation
you're annoying me. Why disformation?
Tell me what disformation has actually done lately.
All of his posts since N1 are extremely boring and you could take them all out without missing anything since there is no notable contribution to the discussion. Even his VCA posts - something he prides himself on - are generic and didn't say anything interesting.
By all means, flag up a post since N1 that is extremely townie or useful. I would like to see it.
In fact, I'm going to vote for him. Again.
##vote disformation
Being boring doesn't make me scum. Should have spend my Sunday playing something else. Put work into the game get scumread. Dont put work into the game get scumread. I REALLY like how you start scumreading me for basically the same reasons damdred / df call you out for:
On March 20 2017 07:12 Damdred wrote: So for instance tumble is above koshi and me?
I don't think I understand how you are reading this game. And it seems you were worried about the game being super easy and going for lynch bait people earlier.
You have two lynch bait by your definition in your list atm. And if you aren't super convinced about either rayn or eitojy wagon why are they even in your top four instead of with koshi and i.
You just seem mega passive atm and more wanting to argue people town instead of finding scum.
Calix your bugging me atm...
On March 20 2017 07:36 darthfoley wrote: Although I agree that Calix could be doing more pushing than she currently is on some of the people in her master plan scenario
And arguing about bleh points like with over tw is exactly how you play scum. gj on pocketing/buddying tw btw.
Calix also only starts calling me scum again after koshi did so. timestamps:
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden darthfoley disformation
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden darthfoley disformation
you're annoying me. Why disformation?
Tell me what disformation has actually done lately.
All of his posts since N1 are extremely boring and you could take them all out without missing anything since there is no notable contribution to the discussion. Even his VCA posts - something he prides himself on - are generic and didn't say anything interesting.
By all means, flag up a post since N1 that is extremely townie or useful. I would like to see it.
In fact, I'm going to vote for him. Again.
##vote disformation
Kinda reminds me of how scum!rels was trying to get me mislynched in that qualifier game. his argument was him saying that i had 0 original thoughts that game, backed by faulty meta.
i dont mind being the counterwagon to someone who is very likely to flip scum, but dont let her deflect the lynch off eden.
i can somewhat see where df is coming from, but calix is scum.
eden/calix/x
if rayn is jk and right with his theory x is one of xata/koshi otherwise it is probably just rels.
Like the weakest reason to ever scumread somebody. She has around 500 reasons why to be town, and you call her mafia because she doesn't want to vote mafia Eden? Come on.
my big problem is that multiple ppl had to prod her into action / started to get suspicious about her.
Yeah... I don't believe that is true.
On March 20 2017 07:12 Damdred wrote: So for instance tumble is above koshi and me?
I don't think I understand how you are reading this game. And it seems you were worried about the game being super easy and going for lynch bait people earlier.
You have two lynch bait by your definition in your list atm. And if you aren't super convinced about either rayn or eitojy wagon why are they even in your top four instead of with koshi and i.
You just seem mega passive atm and more wanting to argue people town instead of finding scum.
Calix your bugging me atm...
On March 20 2017 07:36 darthfoley wrote: Although I agree that Calix could be doing more pushing than she currently is on some of the people in her master plan scenario
On March 20 2017 17:47 Koshi wrote: What game are you reading disformation?
On March 20 2017 17:38 Calix wrote: disformation, that was an extremely lame OMGUS (again, lol) and the fact that you put more effort into defending yourself than you have into doing anything else is not helping you.
Not to mention that claiming I called you mafia because Koshi put you in his shit-list without explanation (???) is the most retarded argument in the thread.
No. You are lock scum to me. You pushed me most of D1 and then did nothing. N1 you only argue around a bit, but basically do nothing. PPL call you out on doing nothing you push me again.
So I'm only 'lock scum' after I push you again? K
Tell me what YOU'VE done this game. Go on, I'll wait.
I can't wait to see how you can accuse me of 'basically doing nothing' when your filter is 90% defending, going along with thread sentiment and fluff posts. The irony is extremely high right now.
isnt telling you what ive done this game even more defending?
and going along with the thread sentiment is extremely nai for me, as anyone who ever played with you can tell very easily.
LOL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED.
And you have what, 8? 9? pages of filter at this point. Holy shit, do I need to summarise it for you? Because it won't be pretty, mate.
Ooh, NAI. That's kinda my point. You have not done anything 'townie' this game, just things which don't 'look' scummy on the surface. But under that, there's nothing. You're so forgettable that it's not even funny.
lol what the fuck do you expect me to say? I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread? and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them? or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on?
On March 20 2017 17:38 Calix wrote: disformation, that was an extremely lame OMGUS (again, lol) and the fact that you put more effort into defending yourself than you have into doing anything else is not helping you.
Not to mention that claiming I called you mafia because Koshi put you in his shit-list without explanation (???) is the most retarded argument in the thread.
No. You are lock scum to me. You pushed me most of D1 and then did nothing. N1 you only argue around a bit, but basically do nothing. PPL call you out on doing nothing you push me again.
So I'm only 'lock scum' after I push you again? K
Tell me what YOU'VE done this game. Go on, I'll wait.
I can't wait to see how you can accuse me of 'basically doing nothing' when your filter is 90% defending, going along with thread sentiment and fluff posts. The irony is extremely high right now.
isnt telling you what ive done this game even more defending?
and going along with the thread sentiment is extremely nai for me, as anyone who ever played with you can tell very easily.
LOL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED.
And you have what, 8? 9? pages of filter at this point. Holy shit, do I need to summarise it for you? Because it won't be pretty, mate.
Ooh, NAI. That's kinda my point. You have not done anything 'townie' this game, just things which don't 'look' scummy on the surface. But under that, there's nothing. You're so forgettable that it's not even funny.
lol what the fuck do you expect me to say? I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread? and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them? or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on?
I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die.
And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players )
You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting.
Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament.
and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work.
On March 20 2017 17:57 disformation wrote: if it turns out to be koshi/eden/calix imma be fairly pissed.
See, this doesn't make any sense. That means 2/3 of the mafia are actually playing the game, for starters. And why would you be pissed that the 'mafia' are trying to 'mislynch' you? lol
And since when was Koshi scum? Please show your working.
On March 20 2017 08:33 Calix wrote: Also it's quite amazing that even when I point out how useless disformation has been, nobody cares.
Looking for widely-town-read scummer? Check!
Looking for someone who is coasting and saying basically nothing? Check!
Looking for someone who is rarely discussed and who nobody seems to give a shit about? We have a winner!
Don't understand how me being widely town read makes me scum. Don't understand how me being not discussed makes me scum either.
On March 20 2017 08:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah disformation is a suddenly a good candidate for mafia.
y tho?
On March 20 2017 08:44 darthfoley wrote: regarding disformation
1. his vote on me was poopstick. he scum reads me for like a day because of an apologetic post I made towards Xata for being wrong about something lol. never really explains it
2. i looked extensively for his reasoning for voting Malongo and didn't find much. I also think it's a little weird that he voted for Malongo (and I started Malongo's wagon in terms of voting, provided the second case, etc.) when he was still sort of scum reading me the hardest.
On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote: i think in my brain its kinda like: df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
On March 18 2017 01:12 disformation wrote: Hm. I think I still would prefer Mal over Damdred. Esp. now that I feel better about df. Putting my vote on mal. Probably need to rethink my read list a bit overall.
Didn't really explain why he felt better about me. He also never attempted to really steer the wagon towards me even though he said i was most scum. Which is basically the reason he parroted from me to vote for Malongo. He town leans me for tone but again, that is such an easy lean for people to make.
Since then, I agree that disformation has been talked about probably less than anyone else in the game, which is quite weird considering how shaky his play was early D1.
... 1)
On March 17 2017 17:51 disformation wrote: Not a fan how DF mentions this:
On March 17 2017 09:22 darthfoley wrote: actually nvm the op doesn't include letters regarding the setups. so maybe town points for trying to clarify what Eden meant?
but then goes on to ignore xata/damdy/me
point was that i makes 0 sense for you to mention edens post and then ignore the whole mess that build up on the back of that. I also think I had another post saying though. here:
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
On March 17 2017 22:51 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
mal is fairly 50/50 to me. On one hand I kinda like him coming in being like "your wagons suck, imma make my own wagon with black jack and coke", on the other nothing he really says has a whole lot of substance. Like incredible hard to tell if he is town, really not liking the wagons, or if he is scum not wanting to comment on them.
Do you have any other reasons to scum-read DF outside of him ignoring your discussion? I would like to see DF/ Malongo get stuck in more but that is about it.
On the one hand, deviating from the status quo gets Malongo attention. On the other hand, he's just voting for raynpelikoneet because of his early-game trolling (which reminds him of another game). So he's not risking much there since there's no pressure for him to persuade people to vote in that direction and it doesn't help his stated "don't lynch Damdred/ disformation" goal. It's weak.
Well, it gives df a higher chance at being scum than tw or mal, so yes. Not sure about the mal stuff, are you saying it is more likely scum than 50/50, or are you agreeing on the 50/50?
Now that I'm not in OMGUSville, I'm not as sure on DF as I was.
I was considering whether Malongo's words line up with his actions and concluded no, so the former.
Mh. Well TW didnt comment on a bunch of stuff. But after DF's mention on Xata's reaction to the setup stuff I was very sure that he would comment on the xata/damdy/me stuff, it is really odd to me that he didn't. Can kinda see the point on Mal though. Like the result of his posts was him avoiding taking stances, voting on a dead wagon and gtfoing with all options open.
also bleeds in into: 2) where i from the above two points go into:
On March 17 2017 23:43 disformation wrote: mh. wasnt aware that mal used to play here back in the day. think i'll move him at least below tw.
On March 18 2017 00:25 disformation wrote: hm the damdred thing isnt that easy. like for some reason I remember seeing more posts that I liked. damdy is a good scum player though, so these are probably not outside his scumrange. Stuffs I liked. This looked like he was legit unsure about my alignment:
On March 17 2017 09:28 Damdred wrote: As for my thoughts on disformation in not sure.
I think there is a huge mmicommunication and we are somewhere list in translation. Like the whole argument might be kinda bad because I think he was looking for a real reason I was scum reading xata.
But still doesn't make a lot of sense meh.
But he's sometimes super defensive on town so I just need more time to evaluate him tbh.
You could say he is hedging / keeping his options open, but imo this post is more likely to come from town. Esp. since I think scum would be more eager to vote the counter wagon to himself. I didn't mind the xata/calix reads:
On March 17 2017 09:59 Damdred wrote: Xata started as a gut read from his first playful banter. He generally as scum is pretty tense non fluid and kinda lacks much in the way of anything. I felt he was the opposite at the start, he flowed with the game thread was involved and tried to understand players.
I thought he looked town tbh.
Calix is a dick (lovable ) as town and is more free with the town reads. As scum hedges and is more middle of the road. Here really I involved even early trying to ferret out people. I liked it early and liked thebdickishness that was displayed towards koshi trying to get him to play.
Also for the record I think disf probably going to be town. Seems legit confused atvpoints, has time to back pedal and just explain and would get pressure off him but doesn't do it and just moved straight ahead. I still would like some explanation from him but yeahbi don't think scum woulddd play to bring that much attention to himself without trying to be it of him before he leaves. (Sorts bad read by hownibfeel)
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
though koshi/rayn pointed out some weak points in damdred's posting. not entirely sure what to make of it. i dont think this game it outside of damdred's scum range. guess the question is whether rayn is right and damdred tried to set me up with that question, or if it was part of the miscommunication that was going on. =/
On March 18 2017 00:43 darthfoley wrote: As for Damdred/disformation: atm I think there are better lynch options. I feel like i've played 3 games in which disformation doesn't really have a good day 1 as town, but makes up for it as the game moves on.
I'm still quite nervous about Calix's and Damdred's interactions so far. Something just feels off, but I don't have a gotcha! quote to explain it.
These posts also blow
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote: ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
On March 18 2017 00:14 Tumblewood wrote:
On March 17 2017 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote: ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
This isn't a good argument. If disformation is scum regardless of how widely townread Calix is he has to go into the argument with him because Calix is calling him mafia. Why wouldn't disformation go into argument with Calix if Calix is mafia and he is town? That would mean that Calix' argument is bs so NOT going into an argument with him makes no sense.
this is based off of the assumption that calix is town (duh, anyone so anal is probably town). also scum can totally ignore the accusation. it wasn't exactly threatening and the omgus defense is mostly a last resort. seeing two people go at it without interacting with the rest of the thread is a tell I will always call
1. Of course scum!disformation would go into an argument with one of the primary people scum reading him. What is he supposed to do? Ignore it and try to indirectly buddy her? This is such a crap reason to town read a veteran player.
2. I get so fucking triggered anytime one of you fuckers uses anal/cursing/emotion to town read someone. It's literally the easiest thing to do over forum mafia. ASK LIGHTNINGSTRIKE THEN ASK ME AND RELS IF IT IS A TOWN TELL
The triggered part make me smile. Less likely to be scum. Lemme unvote.
Yes, my point on you wasnt that strong, so you do something I like and bam you suddenly look better than mal and tw. mal was simply the most scummiest player in the game. i vote him. I also explain the movement on my list in the post here:
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation? Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote: Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing. I'll try to make it as clear as possible: 1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself: "Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?" 2. I read Xatas posts "uh nothing?" 3. I read Xatas posts "uh still nothing?" 4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?" Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote: And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like: "wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face 8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote. 9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really following the conversation here.
I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.
10. I go *facepalm* 11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?
Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
On March 18 2017 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation is not mafia. Even if what Xatalos says is right no mafia jsut straight up makes up shit on some random person at the start of the game.
I thought he lost track of his supposed thoughts / real events and too forcibly twisted the narrative or something.
Is this true disformation? Can you give your view of the things and how they went in your opinion?
huh? isnt that exactly what i posted earlier?
On March 17 2017 20:52 disformation wrote: Okay last attempt to explain that xata thing. I'll try to make it as clear as possible: 1. I read this post:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
And ask myself: "Why is damdy scumreading Xata, did I miss something?" 2. I read Xatas posts "uh nothing?" 3. I read Xatas posts "uh still nothing?" 4. I read Xatas posts and go like "okay there has to be something?" Only possibility for that is that something in Xatas reaction to the setup stuff is fishy. But I am like "this is super bleh, lets see what damdred tells Calix as she asked him this:"
On March 17 2017 07:16 Calix wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:15 Damdred wrote: Hello my sexy people.
I have miiiiiissed some of you very much.
As for my favorite alignment it would be scum, there is just more of a challenge with a good list of winning with scum than if your town and can coast in the same situation.
As for right now xata is scum.
##vote xatalos
Nice to see you too
What makes you think that? He hasn't even brought out the hedges...yet
5. damdy replies:
On March 17 2017 07:21 Damdred wrote: And we are at a junction where it is me or xata, it's obvious he's scum look at him using smiley face
6. i am like: "wow thats even worse than what I got".
On March 17 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: Was expecting something better tbh. Like something about Eden baiting with setup talk and xata instantly being like "so to make it official: you are either bsing or are one of these blue roles?"
Note that I don't even attribute a single bit of scumminess to this, as I know that I just pulled that out of thin air in looking for a possible explanation for damdreds vote. 7. everyone blows up in my face 8. I think about whether damdy could be scum for his vote. 9. damdy posts:
On March 17 2017 07:29 Damdred wrote:
On March 17 2017 07:27 Xatalos wrote: I'm not really following the conversation here.
I think dinformation is taking out votes seriously even though there is a voting thread.
10. I go *facepalm* 11. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
12. ppl keep asking me to explain that shit, even though I think I did
like am I missing something or am I too braindead to understand the real question?
Yo dis, can you post your current thoughts on the game so far. Maybe outside the Xata thing, which is so stale at this point. How it's going, how people are playing it, etc. Doesn't have to be a list post, but you can. Or quote me a similar post I may have missed earlier
On March 17 2017 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wait disformation. How can Rels be more townie than "somewhere between null and town lean"?
He isnt?
On March 17 2017 23:26 disformation wrote: i think in my brain its kinda like: df > tw > mal > rels/1eg/eden > rayn after that it gets a bit blurry as in various town leans / reads.
left most scum, right least scum. so df most scum, you least scum.
since then I moved mal down below tw. move df up, above rels/1eg/eden. damdy down a bit, but not entirely sure where to put him atm. might want to move rayn, too. not sure. will update fully later.
On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote: you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game
can you summarize your thoughts on the game atm: lynch trains/reads/no lynch circle for you, etc?
calix & disfo are town I liked dbs but that read's back to null again after a disappointing continuation malongo is a slight town lean I like rayn and xata by gut buuut I can't explain why Damdred is ok? Koshi too no one who is actually playing is striking me as scummy so I might just park my vote on onegu
Explain to me why you think i am town when i have called out people you are townreading and you said you cannot make a good read on vets so far?
I was trying to see if I could figure out why damdred was scumread xatalos, because I didnt get that damdred was joke voting xatalos and that was the best thing i could come up with. so i was expecting something good from damdred and was disappointed when damdred came up with something even worse than what i had.
tldr:
but you probably didnt read that post.
On March 20 2017 08:46 Calix wrote: Yes it is. You would have thought that more people would have wanted to mislynch disformation or at least smear his name in discussions. But no, Rels and Onegu come up way more. It's weird.
Huh? YOU tried to ml me. Together with Xata. There were also multiple ppl N1 saying my stuff is weak sauce.
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden darthfoley disformation
you're annoying me. Why disformation?
Tell me what disformation has actually done lately.
All of his posts since N1 are extremely boring and you could take them all out without missing anything since there is no notable contribution to the discussion. Even his VCA posts - something he prides himself on - are generic and didn't say anything interesting.
By all means, flag up a post since N1 that is extremely townie or useful. I would like to see it.
In fact, I'm going to vote for him. Again.
##vote disformation
Being boring doesn't make me scum. Should have spend my Sunday playing something else. Put work into the game get scumread. Dont put work into the game get scumread. I REALLY like how you start scumreading me for basically the same reasons damdred / df call you out for:
On March 20 2017 07:12 Damdred wrote: So for instance tumble is above koshi and me?
I don't think I understand how you are reading this game. And it seems you were worried about the game being super easy and going for lynch bait people earlier.
You have two lynch bait by your definition in your list atm. And if you aren't super convinced about either rayn or eitojy wagon why are they even in your top four instead of with koshi and i.
You just seem mega passive atm and more wanting to argue people town instead of finding scum.
Calix your bugging me atm...
On March 20 2017 07:36 darthfoley wrote: Although I agree that Calix could be doing more pushing than she currently is on some of the people in her master plan scenario
And arguing about bleh points like with over tw is exactly how you play scum. gj on pocketing/buddying tw btw.
Calix also only starts calling me scum again after koshi did so. timestamps:
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden darthfoley disformation
On March 20 2017 08:20 Koshi wrote: Eden darthfoley disformation
you're annoying me. Why disformation?
Tell me what disformation has actually done lately.
All of his posts since N1 are extremely boring and you could take them all out without missing anything since there is no notable contribution to the discussion. Even his VCA posts - something he prides himself on - are generic and didn't say anything interesting.
By all means, flag up a post since N1 that is extremely townie or useful. I would like to see it.
In fact, I'm going to vote for him. Again.
##vote disformation
Kinda reminds me of how scum!rels was trying to get me mislynched in that qualifier game. his argument was him saying that i had 0 original thoughts that game, backed by faulty meta.
i dont mind being the counterwagon to someone who is very likely to flip scum, but dont let her deflect the lynch off eden.
i can somewhat see where df is coming from, but calix is scum.
eden/calix/x
if rayn is jk and right with his theory x is one of xata/koshi otherwise it is probably just rels.
Like the weakest reason to ever scumread somebody. She has around 500 reasons why to be town, and you call her mafia because she doesn't want to vote mafia Eden? Come on.
my big problem is that multiple ppl had to prod her into action / started to get suspicious about her.
On March 20 2017 07:12 Damdred wrote: So for instance tumble is above koshi and me?
I don't think I understand how you are reading this game. And it seems you were worried about the game being super easy and going for lynch bait people earlier.
You have two lynch bait by your definition in your list atm. And if you aren't super convinced about either rayn or eitojy wagon why are they even in your top four instead of with koshi and i.
You just seem mega passive atm and more wanting to argue people town instead of finding scum.
On March 20 2017 07:36 darthfoley wrote: Although I agree that Calix could be doing more pushing than she currently is on some of the people in her master plan scenario
On March 20 2017 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bulletpoints why Xatalos is mafia:
The whole claim thing as just explained
Very very terrible reasoned read on Tumblewood (aka easy lynch)
Not pushing me over Malongo (when he said himself he thought we are BOTH (with Tumble) more likely to be mafia than Malongo is) -- And no, sitting on his scumread for 47h 45mins and then making a half-arsed attempt is not "pushing a lynch on rayn" while i can perfectly underrstand why he tries it there -- i will never have a chance to respond (i can show you examples on when town!Xatalos thinks i am mafia, how he pushes the lynch if you don't believe me)
See above, how strong do you think his scumread on me was when on D2 i claim and he cannot be even arsed to think there is a possibility of me being town?
Go read his filter and see what he "pushes". He is not even wanting to lynch scum, there are no actual case, no nothing. He is just trying to find counter-wagons for everything?!?!?!? If someone is scum why do you need a counter-wagon? Why is just looking for counter-wagons?
Mrrgrlgrlgllllll !!!!!!!!!
point 5: remember the xata vs me thing early game. it took calix making a case/push on me for xata to vote me. shouldnt town!xata have voted me prior to that, if he felt i was trying to misrepresent him on purprose?
also working on more posters and stuff, gimme a bit.
disformation explains the game, the universe and everything else
Note that the names in this story will be greatly obfuscated to make incidental confusion with real existing persons impossible.
A long long time ago this game has been created. This was widely considered a bad move, as it made quite a bunch of people slightly agitated.
Chapter 1: teenokilepnyar, the great sorcerer while some may say his confidence in his reads is magical and he is conjuring them out of his hat, he recently has made himself untouchable by wearing silly pants.
Unless he gets beaten in a dance off and gets his title of great sorcerer rescinded he shall remain true to the protagonists. sler/GMA, the doctor who? 2981nede, the defect robot rears his robotic head between random outages to confuse the protagonists with riddles. appears to have gone offline completely after the protagonists were able to correctly answer the last riddle with "confucius you need to fill your bowl with some shit that makes some sense!"
doowelbmut, the confused Seems quite unsure of his own role in this play. A lot of his lines have been beaten like a dead horse already, but let me look at the forest of dead horses here: He has few lines and some are quite baffling, but he displays quite a range of emotion. This specific mix of paranoia, stubbornness and confusion is more likely to be displayed by a protagonist. + Show Spoiler [paranoia] +
On March 17 2017 08:54 Damdred wrote: As for your reads Calix yeah I agree.
Koshi, xata, calix, deep, damdred is a strong town base right now.
Deeps follow up postings (while I strongly disagree what he says makes me scum), have been pretty thoughtful. And pretty good.
ik damdred likes town circles but come on this is too early to read vets calix and deepblue are eh but who am i to criticize that. just xata/koshi/damdy/rayn are way too early to read
On March 17 2017 11:46 Tumblewood wrote: but also it's a little iffy to towncircle them already hopefully a throwaway circle though?
On March 17 2017 08:54 Damdred wrote: As for your reads Calix yeah I agree.
Koshi, xata, calix, deep, damdred is a strong town base right now.
Deeps follow up postings (while I strongly disagree what he says makes me scum), have been pretty thoughtful. And pretty good.
ik damdred likes town circles but come on this is too early to read vets calix and deepblue are eh but who am i to criticize that. just xata/koshi/damdy/rayn are way too early to read
Rayn, in town circle? Hasn't he been just null/scum read by everyone?
What were your reads on me/Koski/Damdred then?
ya but he's still too early to read I was null on all of them. there are reasons I could claim scum/town on one of them but they are pretty lame
On March 19 2017 02:46 Tumblewood wrote: my trust of rayn has gone down to 1% since yesterday his pushes just make me uncomfortable. especially the part where he calls malongo scum (which i am still really not seeing?) and even without him on the wagon it gets 5 votes. something is up plus i see him winning this argument with onegu all of a sudden and ugh i need to go but it is all sorts of bad i am voting and then i am outie outie trust me on this one. but maybe not too much
On March 19 2017 06:38 Tumblewood wrote: the thing that gets me is, how the hell is rayn so confident on a guy with half a page of filter including pregame? there is a lot wrong with this wagon I want this lynch to not happen more strongly that I just said
On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote: you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game
On March 19 2017 08:41 Tumblewood wrote: I will explain the thought process just a little more and from then on I will not give a useful response ok:
- before leaving, I got real suspicious of rayn - when I came back, I saw malongo was still afk and I was like "a plynch isn't the end of the world" - then I saw the votes and switched back to malongo as a bad wagon - then (internally) I mulled over rayn as being useful compared to malongo, switched back to being but still on rayn - I saw calix's post about shenannies being bad and decided not to go after rayn - but I didn't switch at deadline because of basically what you guys have been yelling at me about - after deadline I realized a shenanny was probably not that bad because most of the active players were town
I doubted myself okay
I still have the problem that he does not help the protagonists in catching the antagonists much. So he gets entirely carried by his tone. I am cool with giving him a bit of time still, since his tone is more likely town after all, but I really want to step him up a bit when the game goes on. Overall: sliiiiight town lean. to be continued... next episode: derdmad, the ethereal oak and [i]solatax, the rolling thunder[i], who is currently losing a dance off against teenokilepnyar, the great sorcerer.
On March 20 2017 23:20 Calix wrote: What the fuck did I just read?
bestest post i ever made. working on derdmad, the ethereal oak got that started before I saw the current ongoings, so will finish that before reading xatasolatax, the rolling thunder
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like what about them you don't like.
He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.
what do you think of damdred's questioning on tw about deadline? i think his questioning was quite good and that gave me the feeling damdred was actually looking into the game at deadline. but damdred had a lot of posts saying how he disliked eden, thats true.
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like what about them you don't like.
He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.
what do you think of damdred's questioning on tw about deadline? i think his questioning was quite good and that gave me the feeling damdred was actually looking into the game at deadline. but damdred had a lot of posts saying how he disliked eden, thats true.
to further elaborate: i saw the same thing, but liked him looking into tw. and got another, albeit weak, pointer for a town dred. so far i got: derdmad, the ethereal oak calls out 2981nede's bad riddles, before it twas cool:
On March 18 2017 02:55 Damdred wrote: At least 2 mafia in mal, onegu, rels, df, Eden.
Everyone else has a reason I don't want to Lynch today.
I kinda expect one mafia in my town reads but I hope not.
On March 19 2017 00:48 Damdred wrote: I also don't like eden, and I am with xata thatch don't lol all the weak things rayn has pushed+disinterested that his lynch isn't leading now. Idk I understand the I think both are scum and idc mindset But seems to passive for rayn.
Eden tone ply method I attack seems off so far to me, butbi new to check on a few things.
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
Yeah, about that.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.
And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.
In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.
@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already.
The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on.
Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it.
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
Yeah, about that.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.
And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.
In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.
@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already.
The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on.
Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it.
Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy.
I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah.
On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
Yeah, about that.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.
And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.
In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.
@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter.
I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there
I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know?
Let me rephrase, the not doing anything.
Eden isn't being proactive in how he reads the thread and just cares about how he looks like I is doing somrthing. He throws his vote down without any real interaction towards others in the thread that could away the vote towards his target.
So the true colors of 2981nede might reveal the colours of the venerable oak as well. One might ask why derdmad didnt want to push the robot harder, which confuses the author quite a bit. But he also got distracted by the passer by doowelbmut before the hang time.
On March 18 2017 13:58 Tumblewood wrote: okay great filter sesh! where i am at
town, i think calix disfo eden malongo dbs koshi?
needs more examination but their filters were kinda long rayn damdred xata koshi?
bad rels onegu
scummy df
Can you explain how you want from thisto willing to lynch mal
which was quite the sharp observation and a good question to ask. and I'd say the willingness to be around the hanging time and asking quite good questions instead of vanishing into the forest is quite green of the oak. emotional display:
On March 19 2017 03:50 Damdred wrote: I would so v willing to be lynched right now if rayn would apologize for ignoring me all game and calling all mybposts not smart when he has said exactly whatvi did multiple times.
Who I with me I'll even hammer myself.
On March 19 2017 04:21 Damdred wrote: I don't get how I'm not saying smart things when rayn isbliterallyvrepeating what I say after I did about mal and picking up things about Eden and my scum read on him.
Holy shit and xata is agreeing with him and troops me to null. Is thisnliterally real fucking life.
At least df has a legit reason to come arte me sing I wan arte him and I was on his scum list.
Which btw df my reason for voting mal was calling me and disf town voting rayn without any real explanation. Which I said first.
I'm leaving because I can't even this thread right now.
There was a old legend which said that an emotional oak is a helpful oak and a robotic oak is a harmful oak. Can any traveler tell me if that still holds true? another quite good observation by the oak:
On March 20 2017 07:20 Damdred wrote: But you haven't scum hunted almost at all lately and you keep hinting that you think scum is in the top players and lynch bait your scared of. (Besides rels)
But none of them are in your posts and you don't seem to want to question then stm
so tldr: [+] I liked him questioning tw and the question of calix and thought it was generally more town to be active/asking good questions around deadline and i think the emotional stuff is more towndamdy. [-] 0 clue why he didnt push eden over mal
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like what about them you don't like.
He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.
This is a total misrepresentation...
1) I specifically ask mal questions to his first post about not liking either mine or disformation wagon. He ignores this question, and I specifically point out that he is ignoring the question and should return to it. Mal never answers this question.
This facilitates a vote later on in the day, Rayn points out the same thing in a later post.
2) I make a case on why I do not like Eden, I do not believe I ever said that Eden is a better lynch? I'm unsure why looking for multiple scum in itself is scummy.
3) Half the thread was nervous about how little resistance the lynch was getting at that point.
4) I said the only person who I did not feel comfortable with on the wagon was DF, and I listed the reasoning why I did not have a town read on DF. He explained himself and we had a sort of argument and I ended up townreading him.
And really there were three options for the lynch, I hard townread Rayn all of yesterday. I wasn't going to vote for myself unless rayn woudl apologize to me for the way he treated me yesterday which was still utter shit btw rayn and I really should get an apology for being ignored and treated like a complete idiot when we agreed on so much shit in the thread (besides scum read on me).
That leaves me in a world where the most likely solution was to lynch a scum read in Mal. And I did just that, he turned out to be town that didn't care.
Hm. Thing is you had a lot of posts on eden. so it kinda felt off for you to prefer mal. but you are right. same could be said about multiple ppl, And you where around to question ppl.
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like what about them you don't like.
He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.
okay heading home. am stuck in the middle of sola's filter. with post when I got something conclusive. @sola: dont post anything interesting before im done with your filter. k thx bye.
On March 21 2017 03:01 Calix wrote: Yo scumformation, how's that lock scum Calix and Koshi possibly scum thing going?
As for the other two chumps, I know that I'm notoriously off with my reads as town but that doesn't mean I'm always wrong
eh. without having reread your filter, but taking omgus classes off: you are probably way less scummy than I thought, but you are probably not the town saint some ppl make you out to be. and to be fair: my n1 was probably super bleh.
you are probably tinfoil land. guess there are a lot of ppl that should get lynched before you, but should be alive like d5/d6/lylo I would ask for ppl to look at you again. turns out its quite hard for scum to shoot themselves.
koshi? lost to a universally town read koshi before, so I really want to read his filter before coming to another conclusion.
On March 18 2017 03:38 Xatalos wrote: foley's thing on Malongo was actually much better than rayn's...
On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote: Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO
On March 19 2017 03:56 Xatalos wrote: Seriously. I remember someone had a half-decent case on Malongo, other than rayn. It didn't truly convince me, but it was better than nothing. rayn's cases on Damdred/Malongo leaned more towards "nothing" for me..
On March 17 2017 08:41 Calix wrote: FWIW I feel like this entire discussion is pure so I cannot be arsed to contribute much until something new happens.
It's not really based on filter-diving or whatever. I just feel like everyone who is talking right now is posting without an agenda and is just saying what they have so far and is being reasonable and helping the town.
So imo we shouldn't lynch among Xat/ DD/ Koshi/ Blue today.
Does this sound really premature? Maybe but that's my impressions of the 'atmosphere' of the game so far so I'm pretty confident here. Don't feel like the chat is very mafia-influenced right now.
If this doesn't make sense then ask away. I feel like a hippie right now xD
No, that's mostly what I felt as well. Only disformation felt a bit out of place so far. Dunno about rayn yet since he only trolled for now.
Damdred is my eternal suspect, but at least I don't see any good reason for lynching him at this point. I'll let you know when I have one
seems pretty content sitting on me and not doing much else scumhunting/let other ppl do the work. mighty nitpicking ranger offline.
But after that it gets much better with him pinging tw and rayn. so that point is kinda moot.
then leading up to the lynch i had to read this filter really carefully to get whats going on. was a bit confusing. then i find this thing:
On March 21 2017 03:33 disformation wrote: yo amnesiac is such a good name for you:
On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote: Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO
On March 19 2017 03:56 Xatalos wrote: Seriously. I remember someone had a half-decent case on Malongo, other than rayn. It didn't truly convince me, but it was better than nothing. rayn's cases on Damdred/Malongo leaned more towards "nothing" for me..
So. I guess unless someone can prove that amnesia is AI, I dont think we have a problem here.
Thing to note: he is fairly focused on a subset of ppl. TW/Rayn for example. I dont really get the feeling it is a scum tunnel though. Also note that he is one of the few ppl to actually suggest switches to his scumreads (tw/rayn).
On March 19 2017 06:31 Xatalos wrote: I'm always open to a Tumble switch or something.
On March 19 2017 06:41 Xatalos wrote: YOLO lynch rayn?
Yeah these are not hard pushes, but its more than the rest of the ppl doubting the wagon did. Ends up on mal after all, explained by:
On March 19 2017 08:05 Damdred wrote: You always got for your scum read no matter how useful they are as town.
Who disagrees with this statement?
I guess it depends on the strength of your reads though.
Like if we look at statistics, I think Malongo had coin-flippy odds of being scum. Both Tumble and rayn a bit higher than that. But both Tumble and rayn could potentially be blues (unlike Malongo), and they were doing more in the thread than Malongo, so I could tolerate Malongo especially over Damdred, who I think had less than coin-flip chances of being scum and was also doing some things / could be blue.
Continues with a huge focus on rayn.
early eden mentions:
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote: Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by.
This firewall tanked my mafia time last night and this morning almost certainly going to be gone at EOD as well, wedding in ~3 hrs.
I think my case on Calix still has merit, but I can see no one was really interested, and I know I don't have time to push it through the more active players today, so I'm going to shelve it and make my vote more useful.
On March 19 2017 02:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 18 2017 05:15 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 05:10 Calix wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden
I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.
Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix.
Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.
I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.
That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
If you're already using pre-flip associations and getting tunnel vision re: me before anyone has even flipped then your reads are going to be so off it's not even funny.
What do you actually think of Malongo himself? Why exactly he is null to you?
Why wouldn't he be null? This is a weird concept, since people are null by default, but here goes.
He's null because he hasn't done anything relevant or important yet. He said something interesting about not liking the speed at which Damdred and disformation wagons grew. I like these kinds of observations, all else equal, but he didn't do anything with it and his vote on ray had no serious motivation behind it.
So the sum of his actions is... nothing. He made a potentially interesting observation and did nothing to make it actually interesting. He voted for some guy for no particular reason. It's a bunch of air. Null.
Like if Eden says this he literally must think my case is crap because my case on Malongo is based on something he found slightly townie.
He doesn't think Damdred (who i am voting for) is mafia.
Xatalos (who was and is my third scumread) is his top townread.
Why am i town in Eden's eys? That's basically everything i have done in this game, called these three people out.
I disagree with your reads all the time lol. I've learned not to let that affect my read on you. My heuristics might be outdated, but when you're mafia you tend to be disproportionately forceful in tone compared to the strength of your argument. You'll push speculative reasons as though they were absolute fact and effectively bully-pulpit the thread and shove people into lining up behind you. When you're town, whether or not I agree with your direction in the thread, I at least get the sense that you're treating your arguments with the respect they deserve instead of demanding an undue amount of it from the other players.
I think your play this game has been much more in line with the town description than the mafia description. I bet you'll even agree. So even though I don't like your Malongo case or Xatalos scumread, I can still easily be comfortable calling you town.
As for Damdred, I didn't say that I don't think he's mafia, just that he didn't make an impression one way or another. I'm still not really prepared to say that he isn't, either. Just seems like he's said a lot of words and made a lot of posts, but very little has made a strong impression either way. I'll go and reread his filter and try to develop a more crystallized opinion of him for you though, since that's your wagon for today and I trust your motivations.
I can kind of agree with how you're metaing rayn - but are you sure about the conclusion that he's giving his reads the "appropriate amount of force"? To me it's felt like he's pushed them with a little too much confidence compared to their strengths.
I didn't explain this well. When I say "force" I'm not referring to confidence - ray always has this in spades. What I mean is that he tends as mafia to treat people like total morons if they dissent from him, whereas you can see here that he's not being degrading or demeaning toward people who disagree
Hmmm.... Maybe you have a point. He's actually trying to explain things. As scum he's tended to just ignore / push me if I've opposed him, kind of trying to bury me / others under his posts.
On March 19 2017 19:41 Xatalos wrote: Hmm.... rayn/Tumble/eden scumteam for cred?
Would be nice if it was that easy.
Onegu and Rels did pretty much nothing to help with the D1 lynch so gotta keep an eye on them as well.
so two other things of notice: 1) overly focused on rayn not necessarily a scum tell and i feel the read is somewhat more natural/evolving/changing than a scum tunnel would be. 2) if eden flips scum (probable): eden might have spewed xata town: (bolded by the author)
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden
I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.
Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix.
Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.
I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.
That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
so outside the huge focus on rayn I dont see much problem here. and even that feels more like a town tunnel. possibly spewed by eden. good chance at being town.
somewhat tempted to go back and look at the arguments against him, cause back when i read them i didnt feel like they that bad... *shrugs*
got a bit lazy with that one, but the filter is yuge. like the eden things i found though. hope eden flips red for realz. will make the game much better for us.
On March 19 2017 10:34 Eden1892 wrote: Why did we lynch Malongo? I guess it's "safe" but he was perfect null.
I voted Damdred because: 1. Calix wasn't a reasonable wagon and tbh I was starting to second guess myself anyway 2. I didn't see any compelling reason to vote Malongo. It's safe but fuck that, town doesn't win making safe plays unless the Mafia sucks. 3. Damdred still hasn't done anything that made me think he couldn't be Mafia. That's hypocritical compared to Malongo, except that I know I can expect more from Damdred and I can't know to do so from Malongo. 4. My vote for Damdred put the wagons at 5-3 which gave the Mafia a chance to save Malongo if he were scum; gave town a second wagon to consider, and I thought if the EOD were more active we'd get more meaningful info from that with a real 2nd option.
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Welcome back. I mean he was "perfectly null" but didn't give any reads when I asked him specifically to (and he was around at the time).
Point 4 is actually kinda cool and I hadn't considered that
On March 21 2017 14:09 Tumblewood wrote: my objectivity is at an all time low + Show Spoiler +
not really
but I'm flipping disfo to scum. other pro is we get a nice interesting EoD
Explain why you TR koshi and are switching in disformation pls
I didn't like the eden wagon, so I voted Koshi. then I decided I should probably read Koshi's filter in case he was town, and his filter was good. not a real close examination but everything I saw (see: cared about) made me think he was town. so I decided maybe I was wrong on disfo. and I had kinda come off reading Koshi's very anti-disfo filter but in this read I started caring more about how boring he was. and he was boring, and I disliked him enough to vote him. then I checked out eden again and it was actually pretty townie imo
still doesnt quite explain wtf hes doing. expect a bigger post later.
figures. no pc at work atm. hate playing from phone.
basically i dont like how tw likes my d1, likes my d2. reads koshi, votes me based of (presumeably) koshi saying my n1 is boring. which completely ignores at least my d2. which he admits by saying "was boring".
apart from the fact that i have 0 idea why he was randomly voting koshi in the first.
@AMG: did you notice that a bunch of eden's points on calix were plagiarised from my earlier posts on calix? i also havent seen you or anyone else refute ritoky's post on eden. like how does post town eden's n1 post?
On March 20 2017 21:43 AMG wrote: This is a shitty thought experiment because filters in isolation are only part of the story. This is a game of interaction. As such both of my reads on these players will involve another player. (the same player)
On March 19 2017 10:34 Eden1892 wrote: Why did we lynch Malongo? I guess it's "safe" but he was perfect null.
I voted Damdred because: 1. Calix wasn't a reasonable wagon and tbh I was starting to second guess myself anyway 2. I didn't see any compelling reason to vote Malongo. It's safe but fuck that, town doesn't win making safe plays unless the Mafia sucks. 3. Damdred still hasn't done anything that made me think he couldn't be Mafia. That's hypocritical compared to Malongo, except that I know I can expect more from Damdred and I can't know to do so from Malongo. 4. My vote for Damdred put the wagons at 5-3 which gave the Mafia a chance to save Malongo if he were scum; gave town a second wagon to consider, and I thought if the EOD were more active we'd get more meaningful info from that with a real 2nd option.
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I've made this post before as town. He really wanted to lynch Calix, which is stupid, but he wants what he wants. That's not on the cards from what I gather up to page 22. So he justifies where he did leave his vote in the end, Damdred, as he believes that even his second choice for the day was a better option than where the lynch ended up going. Hes saying "right well you guys fucked up by not listening to me, and now that you've gone and dun fucked up, listen to me more in the future.... and kill who i want to kill". Looks like a townie who wants to flip his scum reads to me.
disinformation seems town for his early interactions with Calix. I can feel the emotion in his posts, his back and forth bickering seems genuine. He also seems reluctant to step off his scum read of Calix, even after both agree they're in OMGUS territory and are shitting up the thread. Its at this point that id expect a scum disinformation to commit whole hog to a fight with Calix and completely clog up the thread, but he does manage to back out of it and refocus elsewhere, while still maintaining his paranoia of Calix, but agreeing to lynch elsewhere for now.
i still think its far more likely to be a blame shifting post from eden. classical mafia. who are agms scum reads again?
On March 21 2017 19:17 disformation wrote: @rayn do you have an opinion on agm yet?
Yes.
Trying to filter dive on phone is so annoying.
Read AMG. Basically a massive hipster. Black sheep. Has new points for chat. Expresses paranoia over wagons.
However I don't see a real/sustained effort to move the wagon away from Eden (which I read as scummy). Not even voting. Tone slightly off on Damdred interactions like he's talking down to Damdred. Don't know why he dislikes Xatalos (is he sheepish Rayn's reasoning?). That's all I can remember.
On March 20 2017 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bulletpoints why Xatalos is mafia:
The whole claim thing as just explained
Very very terrible reasoned read on Tumblewood (aka easy lynch)
Not pushing me over Malongo (when he said himself he thought we are BOTH (with Tumble) more likely to be mafia than Malongo is) -- And no, sitting on his scumread for 47h 45mins and then making a half-arsed attempt is not "pushing a lynch on rayn" while i can perfectly underrstand why he tries it there -- i will never have a chance to respond (i can show you examples on when town!Xatalos thinks i am mafia, how he pushes the lynch if you don't believe me)
See above, how strong do you think his scumread on me was when on D2 i claim and he cannot be even arsed to think there is a possibility of me being town?
Go read his filter and see what he "pushes". He is not even wanting to lynch scum, there are no actual case, no nothing. He is just trying to find counter-wagons for everything?!?!?!? If someone is scum why do you need a counter-wagon? Why is just looking for counter-wagons?
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In your reality, how likely is Damdred on his team? I really do not like Damdreds day 1 actions, specifically his voting and the 'cases' on his votes.
Ill mull over both of them being scum while I sleep. Back in 9 hours.
I am assuming he dislikes xata as a reaction to this. funnily explains his dislike of damdy here.
On March 21 2017 19:17 disformation wrote: @rayn do you have an opinion on agm yet?
Yes.
Trying to filter dive on phone is so annoying.
Read AMG. Basically a massive hipster. Black sheep. Has new points for chat. Expresses paranoia over wagons.
However I don't see a real/sustained effort to move the wagon away from Eden (which I read as scummy). Not even voting. Tone slightly off on Damdred interactions like he's talking down to Damdred. Don't know why he dislikes Xatalos (is he sheepish Rayn's reasoning?). That's all I can remember.
from something he said about koshi i am assuming he is like an oldschooler and knows like koshi, damdy, etc.. so he could be dissappoint of damdy? agreeing with you on the other points.
On March 21 2017 17:47 disformation wrote: eden/agm/df
/game
(not 100% on df though)
I like this team. What is your read on Onegu?
1eg is still fairly nullish. i think i had some small tone related things that made lean sliiiightly townish, but I fear it is nothing scum!1eg couldn't fake. typical oneg things like:
On March 21 2017 04:18 Onegu wrote: The fact that Koshi isnt shouting from the rooftops that I am scum has me highly doubtful about him.
The fact Rayn isnt bitching about me more has me worried.
On March 18 2017 00:35 Koshi wrote: @rayn. I am liking Damdred atm. This is a good post.
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
I don't. The last part makes no sense and is not a reason to "doubt" anyone.
The Tumble read is also bad (as you pointed it out now). There is nothing weird in saying "these people are too good to be read town early on for their posting". There is nothing wrong in that. There is nothing interesting in that, it doesn't mean anything since Tumble just pointed out (in case he is town - which i am quite sure he is) what he believes to be true, and it makes sense.
No. I understand the doubting on the DBS read. DBS is more likely town than mafia, way more likely. But if he is mafia, he had it pretty easy so far.
But there is no reason to doubt a townread on him atm. You jsut don't "doubt" something unless they do something scummy (which is not something DBS has done). Especially coming from Damdred who has a tendency to afk for large amount of times in games lately. It's just bs to even imply DBS could be mafia for that because it's never something that is associated with one's alignment.
UGG Rayn that huge post on why he did scummy things and basically pointed out why he was scum but wasnt because of reasons was scummy...
On March 17 2017 08:06 Damdred wrote: Ok so since dis going to go for a bit.
I think xata and cal are both town right now.
Deepblue is moving towards scummy territory with the fearless read of koshi being town for no real reason I guess?
Probable scum post.
Why?
It just seemed like an easy jump and the thought process felt shallow.
Here's how I see it: 1. Scum typically lurk (at least more often than not) and I've scumread people in the past who answer irrelevant fluff questions without participating in the major discussion in the thread at the time especially early on in the game. 2. Koshi asked me a question. 3. I ignore everything else (the discussion between Xatalos and Damdred for instance) and respond to that pretty much instantly. 4. This shows I was reading the thread and refreshing it fairly often even if I'm not commenting. That's more often than not something scum do although there were extenuating circumstances here. 5. Koshi picked up on it and asked why I was lurking. That showed me he was on the lookout for possible scum even outside the major thread of discussion. So, I think he's probably town. It's not solid but that's the best read I have this early on. 6. Damdred I think missed the subtext entirely. He just threw out a shallow read "oh, he's appeasing someone who engaged him so he could be scum." It's just an easy read on someone he thinks would be an easy target. He doesn't really wonder why I townread Koshi or even straight up ask me.
Why are you townreading Damdred?
Like this post is just wrong to me and feels scummy.
Then says he has said nothing scummy? BLEH.
oneg also really likes playing scum, so i would kinda expect something more fancy here. like a video where he scum slips. =D
i wish i could learn more from his rayn/koshi call outs. but i fear i am not familiar with that dynamic.
On March 21 2017 20:52 AMG wrote: Actually, on that Koshi, you think I subbed into this game, saw myself and both my teammates were borderline terminal, ....and chucked town reads at both of them?
hhhhhmmmmmrmrmmmmm... its fairly wifom, but i dont hate it.
i will dub thee gma, the returned btw. you were a wandering knight who just returned from a great quest and saw the kingdom in great disarray upon your return.
the quest is if you will try to restore order or fan the flames for personal gain and glory
EBWOP: i will dub thee gma, the returned btw. you were a wandering knight who just returned from a great quest and saw the kingdom in great disarray upon your return.
the question now is if you will try to restore order or fan the flames for personal gain and glory
On March 21 2017 20:52 AMG wrote: Actually, on that Koshi, you think I subbed into this game, saw myself and both my teammates were borderline terminal, ....and chucked town reads at both of them?
No. I asked about the replacement because of that My team is df/Eden/disformation. But I couldn't ask disformation about disformation.
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Oh. I was hoping that a scummer would try to get me lynched over eden and make it easy for me. will still have to look at the ppl who where voting me later. dont think any of them where that into it. can't remember why df was voting me.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote: Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO
Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth.
On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote: Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by.
So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn.
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
Yeah, about that.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.
And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.
In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.
@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter.
When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you?
did you check eden's filter for eden on xatalos. it was also in my stuff on xata. if eden is scum eden might have town spewed xata. i agree that that the interactions from xatas side didnt look good though. (bolded by the author)
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden
I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.
Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix.
Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.
I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.
That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
On March 22 2017 00:10 Calix wrote: Another day, another shit-fight between rayn and Xatalos. Good to see I haven't missed anything
Why did you think i am mafia for his fucking shit-tier case?
Saying "you made a good point" =/= "I think rayn is mafia"
Please read and stop clogging up the fucking chat. I can't wait for you to get shanked N2 so I don't have to waste my time skimming over pages and pages and PAGES of pointless bickering -_-
Eeuhm. At least rayn is shitfighting against his scumread who is not being lynched at all by town. So it is completely warranted. FYI you and your buddy UN are way worse. You fill pages for nothing. Pls don't act so high and mighty
We're not buddies. He's a fucking creep, of course I don't like him.
I don't know whether Xatalos is 100% town because while there are good points against him, he's a lot different from when I was scum with him.
Are the points rayn makes not applicable to scum Xatalos? Why?
He seems more stubborn and isn't hedging the shit out of everything he says. Like maybe I am biased because I knew he was mafia then but I am pretty sure his typing style is different this game. Meaning town. rayn keeps saying he isn't like his town games but that's not the same as saying they're like his scum games. This is extremely meta-based for a town read.
I don't know if rayn made this point but because of that, his agreeability and going with whatever pinged me so that was why I was a bit suspicious of Xatalos, when I argued with him, but eh.
On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out.
Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout.
Why would he do it as mafia?
Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you?
Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical.
As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down.
As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me.
didnt xata have some super "good" blue-read-thing with 1eg? not sure if he explained that at some point. not sure if someone asked that already
On March 22 2017 03:41 disformation wrote: like where the hell is eden? though i have to admit this line of thinking didnt work very well on mal -.-
ah yes, the old "bring up a point and then discard it" (eden would show up as either alignment)
aight. either try and get me lynched if you think i am scum or do something else productive. wasting your vote and/or random shade throwing on me wont help you progress the game.
On March 22 2017 03:46 disformation wrote: random things : if i remember correctly calix generally isnt a big fan of meta, so i am a bit worried she seems to use a bunch of meta today.
On March 22 2017 00:33 Calix wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:27 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:25 Calix wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:19 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:13 Calix wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:10 Calix wrote: Another day, another shit-fight between rayn and Xatalos. Good to see I haven't missed anything
Why did you think i am mafia for his fucking shit-tier case?
Saying "you made a good point" =/= "I think rayn is mafia"
Please read and stop clogging up the fucking chat. I can't wait for you to get shanked N2 so I don't have to waste my time skimming over pages and pages and PAGES of pointless bickering -_-
Eeuhm. At least rayn is shitfighting against his scumread who is not being lynched at all by town. So it is completely warranted. FYI you and your buddy UN are way worse. You fill pages for nothing. Pls don't act so high and mighty
We're not buddies. He's a fucking creep, of course I don't like him.
I don't know whether Xatalos is 100% town because while there are good points against him, he's a lot different from when I was scum with him.
Are the points rayn makes not applicable to scum Xatalos? Why?
He seems more stubborn and isn't hedging the shit out of everything he says. Like maybe I am biased because I knew he was mafia then but I am pretty sure his typing style is different this game. Meaning town. rayn keeps saying he isn't like his town games but that's not the same as saying they're like his scum games. This is extremely meta-based for a town read.
I don't know if rayn made this point but because of that, his agreeability and going with whatever pinged me so that was why I was a bit suspicious of Xatalos, when I argued with him, but eh.
On March 22 2017 01:02 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out.
Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout.
Why would he do it as mafia?
Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you?
Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical.
As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down.
As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me.
didnt xata have some super "good" blue-read-thing with 1eg? not sure if he explained that at some point. not sure if someone asked that already
Super good? It turned out to be a misunderstanding.
ah. lemme look at some time stamps. because i think you also brought it up before it turned out to be a misunderstanding.
On March 22 2017 03:46 disformation wrote: random things : if i remember correctly calix generally isnt a big fan of meta, so i am a bit worried she seems to use a bunch of meta today.
On March 22 2017 00:33 Calix wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:27 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:25 Calix wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:19 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:13 Calix wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: [quote] Why did you think i am mafia for his fucking shit-tier case?
Saying "you made a good point" =/= "I think rayn is mafia"
Please read and stop clogging up the fucking chat. I can't wait for you to get shanked N2 so I don't have to waste my time skimming over pages and pages and PAGES of pointless bickering -_-
Eeuhm. At least rayn is shitfighting against his scumread who is not being lynched at all by town. So it is completely warranted. FYI you and your buddy UN are way worse. You fill pages for nothing. Pls don't act so high and mighty
We're not buddies. He's a fucking creep, of course I don't like him.
I don't know whether Xatalos is 100% town because while there are good points against him, he's a lot different from when I was scum with him.
Are the points rayn makes not applicable to scum Xatalos? Why?
He seems more stubborn and isn't hedging the shit out of everything he says. Like maybe I am biased because I knew he was mafia then but I am pretty sure his typing style is different this game. Meaning town. rayn keeps saying he isn't like his town games but that's not the same as saying they're like his scum games. This is extremely meta-based for a town read.
I don't know if rayn made this point but because of that, his agreeability and going with whatever pinged me so that was why I was a bit suspicious of Xatalos, when I argued with him, but eh.
On March 22 2017 01:02 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out.
Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout.
Why would he do it as mafia?
Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you?
Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical.
As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down.
As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me.
didnt xata have some super "good" blue-read-thing with 1eg? not sure if he explained that at some point. not sure if someone asked that already
Super good? It turned out to be a misunderstanding.
ah. lemme look at some time stamps. because i think you also brought it up before it turned out to be a misunderstanding.
We had an exchange where I misunderstood what he was talking about. I thought he talked about Eden's post "the setup isn't all vanilla btw" since that was the only claim-like post in the thread. He apparently thought I had claimed Cop though.....? Still not sure.
ah yeah you were asked about that stuff already and answered that. sokay.
i am confused why a scum!xata wouldnt put me in his scumlist. as i am the only one outside himself and eden who has votes on him / a chance of being lunch today
For the record, when he said that there was a blueclaim in the thread, I thought he meant Eden's "the setup isn't all vanilla btw". I didn't say it was a real claim, just that it was the only claim of any sort in the thread. But no idea what Onegu meant then. Something I said?
wait. like it would make sense if town!xata thought eden was blue. scum shoots rit to implicate eden. and tries to lynch eden. no wait. isnt rayn's claim super risky then. and why the vt setup stuff. bleh. i can see why there was a lot of yelling about that.
Eh. Xata if i am seeing this correctly you had me in your scumreads earlier this day phase. when you where asked this afternoon you said i could be town. any particular reason?
On March 20 2017 17:38 Calix wrote: disformation, that was an extremely lame OMGUS (again, lol) and the fact that you put more effort into defending yourself than you have into doing anything else is not helping you.
Not to mention that claiming I called you mafia because Koshi put you in his shit-list without explanation (???) is the most retarded argument in the thread.
No. You are lock scum to me. You pushed me most of D1 and then did nothing. N1 you only argue around a bit, but basically do nothing. PPL call you out on doing nothing you push me again.
So I'm only 'lock scum' after I push you again? K
Tell me what YOU'VE done this game. Go on, I'll wait.
I can't wait to see how you can accuse me of 'basically doing nothing' when your filter is 90% defending, going along with thread sentiment and fluff posts. The irony is extremely high right now.
isnt telling you what ive done this game even more defending?
and going along with the thread sentiment is extremely nai for me, as anyone who ever played with you can tell very easily.
LOL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED.
And you have what, 8? 9? pages of filter at this point. Holy shit, do I need to summarise it for you? Because it won't be pretty, mate.
Ooh, NAI. That's kinda my point. You have not done anything 'townie' this game, just things which don't 'look' scummy on the surface. But under that, there's nothing. You're so forgettable that it's not even funny.
lol what the fuck do you expect me to say? I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread? and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them? or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on?
I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die.
And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players )
You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting.
Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament.
and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work.
Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do.
Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually.
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM
On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote:
On March 20 2017 18:01 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:56 disformation wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:47 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:45 disformation wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:43 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:40 disformation wrote: [quote] No. You are lock scum to me. You pushed me most of D1 and then did nothing. N1 you only argue around a bit, but basically do nothing. PPL call you out on doing nothing you push me again.
So I'm only 'lock scum' after I push you again? K
Tell me what YOU'VE done this game. Go on, I'll wait.
I can't wait to see how you can accuse me of 'basically doing nothing' when your filter is 90% defending, going along with thread sentiment and fluff posts. The irony is extremely high right now.
isnt telling you what ive done this game even more defending?
and going along with the thread sentiment is extremely nai for me, as anyone who ever played with you can tell very easily.
LOL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED.
And you have what, 8? 9? pages of filter at this point. Holy shit, do I need to summarise it for you? Because it won't be pretty, mate.
Ooh, NAI. That's kinda my point. You have not done anything 'townie' this game, just things which don't 'look' scummy on the surface. But under that, there's nothing. You're so forgettable that it's not even funny.
lol what the fuck do you expect me to say? I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread? and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them? or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on?
I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die.
And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players )
You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting.
Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament.
and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work.
Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do.
Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually.
Your point?
And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh.
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM
On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote:
On March 20 2017 18:01 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:56 disformation wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:47 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:45 disformation wrote: [quote] isnt telling you what ive done this game even more defending?
and going along with the thread sentiment is extremely nai for me, as anyone who ever played with you can tell very easily.
LOL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED.
And you have what, 8? 9? pages of filter at this point. Holy shit, do I need to summarise it for you? Because it won't be pretty, mate.
Ooh, NAI. That's kinda my point. You have not done anything 'townie' this game, just things which don't 'look' scummy on the surface. But under that, there's nothing. You're so forgettable that it's not even funny.
lol what the fuck do you expect me to say? I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread? and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them? or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on?
I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die.
And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players )
You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting.
Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament.
and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work.
Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do.
Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually.
Your point?
And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh.
was more like a touché kind of thing
lol wtf
So you just thought leaving two quotes with no explanation and letting people read what they want into it was fine and dandy?
And you conveniently do this when rayn has tunnel-visioned me, thus giving him ammunition to keep tunneling me for shitty reasons?
Yeah no, I don't buy that.
i dont care if you buy anything or not. i do what i want to.
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM
On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote:
On March 20 2017 18:01 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:56 disformation wrote: [quote] lol what the fuck do you expect me to say? I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread? and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them? or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on?
I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die.
And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players )
You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting.
Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament.
and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work.
Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do.
Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually.
Your point?
And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh.
was more like a touché kind of thing
lol wtf
So you just thought leaving two quotes with no explanation and letting people read what they want into it was fine and dandy?
And you conveniently do this when rayn has tunnel-visioned me, thus giving him ammunition to keep tunneling me for shitty reasons?
Yeah no, I don't buy that.
i dont care if you buy anything or not. i do what i want to.
My point about you trying to fuel the flames of rayn's tunneling still applies, 'defiance' or not. You were quite clearly intending those quotes to portray me in a scummy light.
why do i have the feeling it wont matter what i say to this?
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM
On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote: [quote] Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament.
and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work.
Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do.
Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually.
Your point?
And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh.
was more like a touché kind of thing
lol wtf
So you just thought leaving two quotes with no explanation and letting people read what they want into it was fine and dandy?
And you conveniently do this when rayn has tunnel-visioned me, thus giving him ammunition to keep tunneling me for shitty reasons?
Yeah no, I don't buy that.
i dont care if you buy anything or not. i do what i want to.
My point about you trying to fuel the flames of rayn's tunneling still applies, 'defiance' or not. You were quite clearly intending those quotes to portray me in a scummy light.
why do i have the feeling it wont matter what i say to this?
Why do I have the feeling that you're bullshitting right now? Like, you're trying to tell me that you literally just popped in the thread JUST to tell everyone that I contradicted myself? As if that actually means anything. Especially when you said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I said I don't like using meta.
So yeah, I think you're lying
what do you mean popping up in the thread, im obv here nonstop since like 1h30 trying to figure this mess out? i dont understand what you mean with: " Especially when you said earlier that my use of meta was suspicious because I said I don't like using meta." i also dont understand what I am apparently lying about?
On March 22 2017 04:51 Xatalos wrote: Is there a point to this? lol
dunno.
aight lets do something else: can you explain why xata is town without meta? also:
On March 22 2017 01:07 Calix wrote: [...]So yes, I see your thought process and it is decent as a case. And I will try to filter Xatalos with this in mind. I still think he's town for meta. But maybe I am giving him too much slack by doing that. So I will try to ignore that. I am trying to fix my computer so if I succeed then I will read his filter then.
Did you go filter him yet? (i know his fucking filter is yuge, but like skim it)
do you think my points on eden -> xata are better than koshis xata -> eden? as in:
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
Shows guilt
On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote: Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO
Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth.
On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote: Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by.
So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn.
On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
Yeah, about that.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.
And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.
In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.
@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter.
When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you?
did you check eden's filter for eden on xatalos. it was also in my stuff on xata. if eden is scum eden might have town spewed xata. i agree that that the interactions from xatas side didnt look good though. (bolded by the author)
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden
I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.
Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix.
Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.
I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.
That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
On March 22 2017 04:51 Xatalos wrote: Is there a point to this? lol
dunno.
aight lets do something else: can you explain why xata is town without meta? also:
On March 22 2017 01:07 Calix wrote: [...]So yes, I see your thought process and it is decent as a case. And I will try to filter Xatalos with this in mind. I still think he's town for meta. But maybe I am giving him too much slack by doing that. So I will try to ignore that. I am trying to fix my computer so if I succeed then I will read his filter then.
Did you go filter him yet? (i know his fucking filter is yuge, but like skim it)
do you think my points on eden -> xata are better than koshis xata -> eden? as in:
On March 22 2017 03:35 disformation wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote:
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
Shows guilt
On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote: Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO
Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth.
On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote: Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by.
So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn.
On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
Yeah, about that.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.
And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.
In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.
@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter.
When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you?
did you check eden's filter for eden on xatalos. it was also in my stuff on xata. if eden is scum eden might have town spewed xata. i agree that that the interactions from xatas side didnt look good though. (bolded by the author)
On March 18 2017 04:57 Eden1892 wrote:
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden
I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.
Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix.
Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.
I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.
That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
Yes, I've already explained on multiple occasions why Xatalos is town WITHOUT using meta. If you want me to quote then I can but I really cannot be fucked. And you could probably find them when you look at me I've only really used meta as of late since he is, you know, a wagon and shit and having previous experience with him as a scum team mate is relevant.
And no, I didn't filter him in the end because when I caught up with the thread, I figured his reaction was townie and didn't see the point.
I don't know what points you refer to. Do you mean 'Eden spewed Xat town' thing? If so, the answer is no.
It's a bit weird because the points against Xatalos make sense...but I don't think he's mafia anyway. I don't know how to describe it. 'Gut feeling' or maybe meta is influencing me more than I think it is or whatever, idk.
(also I don't like the sudden push away from Eden and onto Xatalos, as DF noted)
ah. was only looking at the later part of your filter. lemme go back.
and yes that why I am having a bit of a problem atm. a bunch of point against xata are very good, but I am not sure why ppl want to lynch him over eden.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
Shows guilt
On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote: Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO
Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth.
On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote: Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by.
So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn.
On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:
On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:
On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote: Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical?
rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch.
Yeah, about that.
On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote: Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so.
I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me.
And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case.
In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be.
@Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter.
When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you?
did you check eden's filter for eden on xatalos. it was also in my stuff on xata. if eden is scum eden might have town spewed xata. i agree that that the interactions from xatas side didnt look good though. (bolded by the author)
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden
I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.
Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix.
Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.
I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.
That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
On March 22 2017 05:57 Tumblewood wrote: obv town: calix amg rayn
probable town: df koshi
??? onegu eden ... xata damdred disfo
so... i got one vote and nobody is wanting to lynch me. xata already has 3. xata is in your scum pile. so you should be preferring a xata lynch over your town read, right?
so was digging around in xatas filter. thought there was something inconsistent in his df read. tripple checked. it worked out. dont think ill be switching.
On March 22 2017 06:05 Koshi wrote: Hmm the Eden lynch is set in stone. TW/rayn/Damdred/Calix are lock town then. If 1 is mafia this is over. I can live with that.
On March 22 2017 06:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Xatalos, Damdred/Calix, idk, maybe onegu then, or df. Idk. Xatalos is the only one i am sure about and the chainsaw makes me think Calix too. Maybe Eden is mafia? Idk.
What i do know is that you're not mafia, Adam is not mafia, Tumble is not mafia and disformation is not mafia.
yeah dont think it is that easy withput looking into more details. like if it was really close it would make sense to suspect the other wagon being town and the ppl pushing it to be scum.
since it wasnt close, its hard to tell if scum just bussed eden hard, or went and tried to make someone else happen.
On March 22 2017 07:14 Calix wrote: I don't think both scummers are on Xatalos either unless the scum team is Koshi/ Adam or rayn is somehow bullshitting beyond all levels of logic.
It's entirely possible that the scum thought "eh, Eden's a lost cause, let's just vote and cut our losses" and that the Xatalos wagon is pure, actually.
both scummers being on xata would be like fairly bad for distancing purposes imo.
On March 22 2017 07:25 disformation wrote: but why didnt he try to get ppl on me then? i think i still had like 3 ppl on me. instead he calls me and eden town?
mh. might be wifom stuff. whatever, bed for reals now.
so: ignoring tumble: as mentioned earlier: id say 2 scum on efen or 1 scum on eden 1 on xata. with tumble it can be tumble +1 eden. or tumble and 1 xata.
looking at the xata wagon:
rayn: given his read progression and everything it makes a lot of sense for him. also first on a wagon that makes a lot of sense for him to be on. not much to see.
koshi: [-] hard flip of his read on xata. [+] posted good reasons to scum read xata [--] timing. koshi flipping the xata read and voting xata brought the votes to 4 eden, 3 disf, 3 xata. like he flipped vote and read precisely at a time where the xata train got a bit of steam and it seemed it might take of. so if xata is town this might point to a scum koshi.
reminds me that i wanted to filter dive him.
amg: a fuckton of wifom here. strangely more focused on defending eden than getting a specific person lynched. hard to tell if he just really thought eden is town or went for a huge wifom play. tinfoil sick play: xata/amg/eden for max wtf. would have liked it more if he had more actively tried to get a scumread lynched. so overall meh.
On March 22 2017 22:02 Xatalos wrote: DF kind of screwed over Eden there if they're both scum though. I think I was a decently realistic option without DF's actions, but he was a somewhat crucial swing vote/voice in my favor. Not impossibly a bus, but kind of a YOLO play if it was.
good point.
On March 22 2017 21:14 Calix wrote: Hello, allow me to ignore everything that's being discussed right now to say that if Oh-ne-gu is mafia, he's probably Godfather for his poorly-substantiated "Xatalos is the Cop who green-checked me" theory.
Someone point out if there are any holes in this theory of mine.
good point 2.
back on a pc. i kinda want to rant about how tw's solo off wagon vote triggers me. like regardless of who he was voting for, he kinda dodged all responsibility and/or cred by voting in nowhere land. no interest in the lynch mayhaps? makes no sense if he is mafia with eden. makes no sense if he really thinks eden hasnt got a very high chance of flipping town. willing to "sheep" koshis filter on me, but when koshi makes good points on xata, tw is like "good points im still voting disfo".
On March 22 2017 03:41 disformation wrote: like where the hell is eden? though i have to admit this line of thinking didnt work very well on mal -.-
ah yes, the old "bring up a point and then discard it" (eden would show up as either alignment)
aight. either try and get me lynched if you think i am scum or do something else productive. wasting your vote and/or random shade throwing on me wont help you progress the game.
I see your point but I'm gonna ignore it
did he want to avoid to be on the same wagon as a scum partner?
like idk. it is a fine line between town for tone and too scummy to be scum he is walking. -.- can anyone explain it to me, or at least tell me where he gets the stuff he is smoking?
skimmed koshis filter. would still like for him to explain his tr on tw otherwise think he overall he raised a bunch of good points (e.g. on xata yesterday). found nothing really bad sticling out.
will place him a bit lower on my town totem due to the voting thing i found earlier, but that alone is no reason to lynch him. esp. since xata can still be scum.
On March 23 2017 00:43 disformation wrote: df feels a bit like a jojo to me. he does a post i like. he does a post i dont like. he does a post i like. and so on.
Yeah I can understand this.
I think though that TW is a bit worse atm though meh.
yeah i currenly dont like tw a lot as outlined earlier. liked df complaining about tw. xD
On March 23 2017 07:14 disformation wrote: so. you guys any preference amongst amg, 1eg or tw?
some small thoughts:
1eg just hasnt done much of anything this game. calix had a nice idea about him being gf of the "blue" interaction with xata.
tw has a town tone, but is super detached and erratic, hasnt scum hunted much and i feel that it is getting worse as the game progresses.
amg came in and defended a scummer without really pushing for other ppl. now that i type it it sounds a bit too extreme. dunno. want to see what he does today.
ppl i dont want to touch today: rayn, koshi, damdy ppl i want to touch today, involving ropes, cause im a kinky bastard: tw, oneg ppl somewhere in between that: df, amg, xata
aight. so df claimed cop. makes all vt very unlikely (dont see the benefit of both scum fake claiming, as that will sort itself out fairly fast-ish). not a fan of the n1 check, but least we font have to worry about a potential green on the gf.
xata also very unlikely scum due to night actions.
so that poe's it fown to amg, zw and oneg.
tw and oneg are a lot more likely than amg. so i feel pretty good about my vote.
On March 24 2017 22:32 Koshi wrote: Hmmmmm. I cannot find the game in which Onegu calls me scum the entire D1. I am sure it was for different reasons than here.
On March 24 2017 22:32 Koshi wrote: Hmmmmm. I cannot find the game in which Onegu calls me scum the entire D1. I am sure it was for different reasons than here.
On March 24 2017 22:35 Koshi wrote:
On March 24 2017 22:34 Onegu wrote: I didnt call you scum all day 1 this game.
Yes but you did in some game. Which one?
Don't really see why this would be relevant to this game?
On March 24 2017 22:56 Onegu wrote:
On March 24 2017 22:50 Koshi wrote:
On March 24 2017 22:46 Onegu wrote: And gave reasons why you thought I was mafia not just normal fuck onegu lets lynch him he is mafia.
Tis true. Can you answer why AMG is not mafia?
No, he could be. I do remember feeling better about his spot after the replace though.
Uh. Rels had like 1 post saying "plz dont modkill me"...
So... That spot was a ?. Now it looks more townie to me...
Wasn't quite clear from your wording. Not that hard to look better than rels though. xD
meh. thing i dont like for example: you have like 0 mention of rels/amg and tw prior to now. like only ppl you had reads on before now are like: rayn, koshi, xata, dbs/rit and briefly calix. thats not even 50% of the game.
On March 24 2017 23:37 Onegu wrote: I sheeped xata because I thought he was blue.
aight. can go both ways though. timing wise also was the point when it started looking real real bad for eden, after xata switching vote. so nice and easy timing/excuse to hop onto the bus.
On March 24 2017 23:20 disformation wrote: meh. thing i dont like for example: you have like 0 mention of rels/amg and tw prior to now. like only ppl you had reads on before now are like: rayn, koshi, xata, dbs/rit and briefly calix. thats not even 50% of the game.
So what. I dont comment on things I dont really have a opinion on. Never have.
you having no opinion on over half the game tells me you are not all that interested in solving it though...
though ill give you that i would expect scum!oneg to be a little bit more invested... or do interesting stuff... maybe that explains the nks? dunno.
On March 24 2017 23:46 darthfoley wrote: Part of me agrees with Onegu in the sense that I don't understand clearing him.
Maybe it is truly straightforward and the night actions don't make sense because the scum don't care. But maybe they're keeping rayn alive for a day because he's "cleared" them and they aren't in the PoE... especially because of the WIFOM bullet carrying
dont fully understand the first sentence, can you rephrase? also not too sure about the bullet carrying wifom.
On March 24 2017 23:37 Onegu wrote: I sheeped xata because I thought he was blue.
aight. can go both ways though. timing wise also was the point when it started looking real real bad for eden, after xata switching vote. so nice and easy timing/excuse to hop onto the bus.
On March 24 2017 23:38 Onegu wrote:
On March 24 2017 23:20 disformation wrote: meh. thing i dont like for example: you have like 0 mention of rels/amg and tw prior to now. like only ppl you had reads on before now are like: rayn, koshi, xata, dbs/rit and briefly calix. thats not even 50% of the game.
So what. I dont comment on things I dont really have a opinion on. Never have.
you having no opinion on over half the game tells me you are not all that interested in solving it though...
though ill give you that i would expect scum!oneg to be a little bit more invested... or do interesting stuff... maybe that explains the nks? dunno.
On March 24 2017 23:46 darthfoley wrote: Part of me agrees with Onegu in the sense that I don't understand clearing him.
Maybe it is truly straightforward and the night actions don't make sense because the scum don't care. But maybe they're keeping rayn alive for a day because he's "cleared" them and they aren't in the PoE... especially because of the WIFOM bullet carrying
dont fully understand the first sentence, can you rephrase? also not too sure about the bullet carrying wifom.
Dont get interested until lylo. Less reading...
not sure what to say to that... best i came up with so far: -.-
On March 25 2017 10:18 Tumblewood wrote: rayn and df - duh koshi - really overconfident at points + Show Spoiler [see here] +
On March 20 2017 07:46 Koshi wrote: Classic case of mafia being overconfident and making a mistake.
; argues with the intent of being read (see: no fucking huge posts); tries to get in the scum team's head in weird ways amg - ABORT i've only read 1 page of his filter and i already wanna lynch him (case incoming, or maybe at day)
are you trying to imply that wall posts are per default scummy? -.- see i like to explain my thought process and show evidence for my posts.
On March 25 2017 16:25 Tumblewood wrote: in order, the scumteams that make the most sense by association are: damdred/disfo > amg/disfo > damdred/xata > amg/damdred > disfo/xata > amg/xata > any team with Koshi > any team with rayn or df and I think damdred/disfo might be a winner
Aight. so can you explain those? does that give you a prefered lynch. is this solely association/poe? because in the end it only says: df and rayn never scum koshi very unlikely scum. scum some combination of: disfo, damdy, amg and with damdy/disfo the most likely one for whatever reason.
On March 25 2017 16:25 Tumblewood wrote: in order, the scumteams that make the most sense by association are: damdred/disfo > amg/disfo > damdred/xata > amg/damdred > disfo/xata > amg/xata > any team with Koshi > any team with rayn or df and I think damdred/disfo might be a winner
What is "any team with rayn or df"?
Just that, rayn + X or DF + X?
so. how does a team work that is e.g. df+x where x is not rayn?
On March 25 2017 11:41 Tumblewood wrote: maybe I could just go with the "never wrong on TvT arguments" theory and lynch amg and damdred. seems like a mighty easy play
What's this theory? Thread shitfights are always TvT? >.> I'll admit I've never participated in one as scum, but I've seen cases of that happening. Me (town) vs rayn (scum) for example haha
if i remember correctly he had like calix and me as tvt for our d1 argument.
On March 25 2017 11:41 Tumblewood wrote: maybe I could just go with the "never wrong on TvT arguments" theory and lynch amg and damdred. seems like a mighty easy play
What's this theory? Thread shitfights are always TvT? >.> I'll admit I've never participated in one as scum, but I've seen cases of that happening. Me (town) vs rayn (scum) for example haha
if i remember correctly he had like calix and me as tvt for our d1 argument.
yeah:
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote: ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win
On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote: you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game
was skimming a bit through koshi's filter, but the only thing i found was his somewhat suspect readflip and vote D2, that i already pointed out. + Show Spoiler [in dat post] +
On March 22 2017 19:42 disformation wrote: seems im stuck on phone for a while. so quoting n shit hard. so ill try to be concise n shit.
so: ignoring tumble: as mentioned earlier: id say 2 scum on efen or 1 scum on eden 1 on xata. with tumble it can be tumble +1 eden. or tumble and 1 xata.
looking at the xata wagon:
rayn: given his read progression and everything it makes a lot of sense for him. also first on a wagon that makes a lot of sense for him to be on. not much to see.
koshi: [-] hard flip of his read on xata. [+] posted good reasons to scum read xata [--] timing. koshi flipping the xata read and voting xata brought the votes to 4 eden, 3 disf, 3 xata. like he flipped vote and read precisely at a time where the xata train got a bit of steam and it seemed it might take of. so if xata is town this might point to a scum koshi.
reminds me that i wanted to filter dive him.
amg: a fuckton of wifom here. strangely more focused on defending eden than getting a specific person lynched. hard to tell if he just really thought eden is town or went for a huge wifom play. tinfoil sick play: xata/amg/eden for max wtf. would have liked it more if he had more actively tried to get a scumread lynched. so overall meh.
so still not seeing it. either need a yuge tinfoil, oneg's meds or whatever tw is smoking. probably all three.
yeah him being stubborn about his tvt was also one of the points why i had a town lean based on tone on him D2. though he did flip his read on me D2, when he saw good points about me in koshis filter.
Not voting (1): Eden1892 day 1: a) 2 on malongo: Koshi, damdy, xata b) 1 on malongo, 1 on x. 1 of Koshi, damdy, xata and 1 of tw, rels c) team afk: tw + rels
damdy slightly less likely due to eden on him. if all wagons are town, more likely for scum to spread out. would point to 1 of koshi, xata + 1 of tw and rels/amg
day 2: a) 2 on eden: straightup xata + damdy b) 1 eden, 1 xata: 1 of xata, damdy + 1 of koshi, amg c) something something tumble: tumble +1 of koshi, amg, damdred, xata
damdred pulled a super sick bus if he is scum. xata, tw would actually make some sense? like their plan was to try and get rayn lynched over eden. when rayn claimed they had no real backup and tw didnt want to risk getting xata killed, cause xata is gf/rb? would also make sense with tw being like "check me!".
On March 25 2017 21:01 Xatalos wrote: I think he was referring to the theory of GF Onegu though? By saying "if he's scum". Doesn't really make any sense with GF Tumble
ah makes sense. yeah, way less bad in that context.
On March 26 2017 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: disformation if you're not mafia then who is and why? No bullshit, just reasons why they are mafia. And preferrably why are the other two are not mafia. If you think Xatalos is mafia feel free to argue that too.
was hoping to get some info out of the night. lemme try. you actually gave me an idea. going for a super tldr style.
damdy is not scum cause vca + the eden double bus thing. xata is not scum cause counterwagon to goon and i think scum tried to push him.
amg is scum. yeah, the eden hard tr is strange as hell. but he didnt really push someone else and I generally dont see that much trying to figure out the game, or posting interesting findings in his filter. even tw has more of that stuff.
koshi is scum. cause i cant find anything that says he cant be. +the d2 vote thing.
tw is scum. cause the nk stuff would make a lot of sense with his "dont care" and very trolling attitude.
yes 3. meaning I am wrong on one person. feeling most confident about amg, so would like to start there tomorrow.
On March 26 2017 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation why did mafia push xatalos with 1 people?
if its amg + koshi both did? tw came in to a time, when both the wagon on me and the wagon on xata were fairly dead already if i remember right? lemme double check time stamps.
On March 26 2017 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation why did mafia push xatalos with 1 people?
if its amg + koshi both did? tw came in to a time, when both the wagon on me and the wagon on xata were fairly dead already if i remember right? lemme double check time stamps.
Incorrect. When he voted has nothing to do with what he could have done when he was around (which he was) way earlier.
On March 26 2017 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Disformation why did mafia push xatalos with 1 people?
if its amg + koshi both did? tw came in to a time, when both the wagon on me and the wagon on xata were fairly dead already if i remember right? lemme double check time stamps.
Incorrect. When he voted has nothing to do with what he could have done when he was around (which he was) way earlier.
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Tumblewood was around for most parts of D2. Just because he placed his vote in a moment that is "late", doesn't mean he could have done something else in case mafia strategy is something else (like lynching Xatalos here - in case Tumble is mafia with AMG / Koshi).
hm you are right.
On March 20 2017 08:36 Tumblewood wrote: the thread is going at a million miles a second so let me just say I am not touching xata, rayn, calix or df for the rest of the game. CCs barred of course. and I will park my vote on rels until he plays the game
On March 26 2017 05:28 Damdred wrote: I'm last what was thread consensus at the time on f2f then? And what was tumbles rread on him based off of?
Town points for whoever answers besides rayn
F2f should be df rip autocorrect
not sure when you mean? tw had df as scum early and then flipped for:
On March 19 2017 06:31 Tumblewood wrote: I'll town df. he has passion (tm)
outside of that he has like no explanation?
think thread consent on df was fairly middle ground for the most part. town leanish for tone in some cases. some ppl had him in like poe, but not at the bottom usually. thats more from memory though.
this was short before the claim, when a lot of ppl had df in their poe. or were like "scum or cop"
On March 22 2017 14:09 Tumblewood wrote: thoughts on all some players with reasoning:
disformation - has these huge walls of text. in some places he seems to show real conviction, but it's fleeting. i am conflicted because it seems like a lot of work for a scummer to put it but mostly he writes long posts that don't seem to have the intention of ever being read. leaning scum + Show Spoiler +
i know you're going to ask what that means and i ask you figure it out yourself
damdred - leaning back towards town because i remember (though i could not find it in his filter) the part where he sees eden's post and he's like "this is bad but i don't have time to explain why yet" which is something scum rarely does, usually preferring to just wait until they have the case (or at least, i think so). then again he has not impressed me in any respect this game so he is not off the hook yet.
onegu - objectively bad, but that is to be expected. there are some things i have seen in his filter which are either so out of left field or so 'little' (like, "i expect this player to be yelling at me more") that i don't think scum1gu could come up with it in multiple instances.
Sorry for thinking that tumblewood's paranoia and generally EoD play isnt purely mafia indicative when I've done the same thing myself?
make me real nice n happy inside and it warms my heart to think a player might play with such a townie agenda. (this really is the reason i townread df so hard during n1 and early d2) other than that i might describe him as indignant, which i consider a townie trait. but when he is not being indignant he is quite floaty and "this is weird" (vs "this makes X scum"). still, df is probably town.
xatalos - when not antagonizing someone or another he does not post any quality analysis. fortunately for him i think shitfighting is quite a townie thing to do so he is ???
On March 26 2017 05:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who was like "scum or cop" on DF?
On March 23 2017 20:26 Koshi wrote: Last pages of darthfoley is setup talk and then Eden is mafia talk. Nothing else. If he isn't the cop he is mafia. He completely stopped playing the game after and during getting the Eden bus cred. And I still didn't forget about that lie he told to put me under suspicion.
well. my point wasnt phrased very well, but still stands. that was to say: tw had a town read, when a bunch of ppl didnt. not 100% of the majority of the thread had him as scum. maybe half?
On March 26 2017 05:28 Damdred wrote: I'm last what was thread consensus at the time on f2f then? And what was tumbles rread on him based off of?
Town points for whoever answers besides rayn
F2f should be df rip autocorrect
not sure when you mean? tw had df as scum early and then flipped for:
On March 19 2017 06:31 Tumblewood wrote: I'll town df. he has passion (tm)
outside of that he has like no explanation?
think thread consent on df was fairly middle ground for the most part. town leanish for tone in some cases. some ppl had him in like poe, but not at the bottom usually. thats more from memory though.
On March 26 2017 05:42 disformation wrote: this was short before the claim, when a lot of ppl had df in their poe. or were like "scum or cop"
On March 22 2017 14:09 Tumblewood wrote: thoughts on all some players with reasoning:
disformation - has these huge walls of text. in some places he seems to show real conviction, but it's fleeting. i am conflicted because it seems like a lot of work for a scummer to put it but mostly he writes long posts that don't seem to have the intention of ever being read. leaning scum + Show Spoiler +
i know you're going to ask what that means and i ask you figure it out yourself
damdred - leaning back towards town because i remember (though i could not find it in his filter) the part where he sees eden's post and he's like "this is bad but i don't have time to explain why yet" which is something scum rarely does, usually preferring to just wait until they have the case (or at least, i think so). then again he has not impressed me in any respect this game so he is not off the hook yet.
onegu - objectively bad, but that is to be expected. there are some things i have seen in his filter which are either so out of left field or so 'little' (like, "i expect this player to be yelling at me more") that i don't think scum1gu could come up with it in multiple instances.
Sorry for thinking that tumblewood's paranoia and generally EoD play isnt purely mafia indicative when I've done the same thing myself?
make me real nice n happy inside and it warms my heart to think a player might play with such a townie agenda. (this really is the reason i townread df so hard during n1 and early d2) other than that i might describe him as indignant, which i consider a townie trait. but when he is not being indignant he is quite floaty and "this is weird" (vs "this makes X scum"). still, df is probably town.
xatalos - when not antagonizing someone or another he does not post any quality analysis. fortunately for him i think shitfighting is quite a townie thing to do so he is ???
help me i have too many townreads bye
what are you trying to say in these posts? I don't understand a single bit how anything here has to do with anything.
I was hoping damdred would tell me. you know since he was asking about it.
On March 26 2017 05:52 disformation wrote: well. my point wasnt phrased very well, but still stands. that was to say: tw had a town read, when a bunch of ppl didnt. not 100% of the majority of the thread had him as scum. maybe half?
Yes and that is only repeating what reads in his filter and not answering Damdred's actual question.
He asked what the thread consensus on df was and what tumbles read on df was?
could also be: tw's read on df being very static, despite tw looking at df multiple times, more likely scum? or something about tw knowing the setup and there being a cop and stuff?
On March 26 2017 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually jailed Tumblewood. Xatalos is not mafia. If there is a kill Tumblewood is not town for certain. If there is a kill and cop was roleblocked Tumblewood is 90% town.
I don't think Koshi is mafia. I don't think AMG is mafia. I don't think Damdred is mafia.
I think it's disformation + Tumblewood. If one of them is town then probably Damdred. I really can't see either of AMG / Koshi do what they have as scum.
On March 26 2017 06:47 Xatalos wrote: Well I guess Koshi isn't completely in the clear... DF made okay points. "The switch" had bothered me before as well.
It's not the switch it's the reasons for it.
Hmm... I did sort of get the feeling that he just latched onto my wagon and justified it somehow afterwards. There's a reasonable scum motive in there - being prepared to bus Eden, but when seeing the chance to get a mislynch before him, jumping onto it with force. I don't think the reasoning he thought up was super bad in itself, just the timing / the way how he went about it.
also him moving to you made the votes like 4:3:3. i remember talking about that before.
On March 26 2017 23:25 disformation wrote: aight. amg, if you are not scum, who is scum? do you think tw's line plan makes him scum? do you think koshi is scum for his current push?
aight disformation. Who is scum and why? And why are you not voting yet?
On March 26 2017 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: disformation if you're not mafia then who is and why? No bullshit, just reasons why they are mafia. And preferrably why are the other two are not mafia. If you think Xatalos is mafia feel free to argue that too.
was hoping to get some info out of the night. lemme try. you actually gave me an idea. going for a super tldr style.
damdy is not scum cause vca + the eden double bus thing. xata is not scum cause counterwagon to goon and i think scum tried to push him.
amg is scum. yeah, the eden hard tr is strange as hell. but he didnt really push someone else and I generally dont see that much trying to figure out the game, or posting interesting findings in his filter. even tw has more of that stuff.
koshi is scum. cause i cant find anything that says he cant be. +the d2 vote thing.
tw is scum. cause the nk stuff would make a lot of sense with his "dont care" and very trolling attitude.
yes 3. meaning I am wrong on one person. feeling most confident about amg, so would like to start there tomorrow.
df raised some good points on you too. really dont like amg arguing with tw/you without really posting any reads on either. tw is still bleh.
damdy still needs to explain his question thing to me.
just came in, want to see what amg says to my question(s)
On March 27 2017 11:35 AMG wrote: Nope, not letting this thread die. As I believe talking to Koshi is mostly a waste of calories at this point, Ill talk to the rest of you instead.
Damdred, Disinfo and Xata. Lets play a hypothetical. I flip town tomorrow at the lynch. Who are the scum now with that new information?
koshi + tw
On March 27 2017 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey AMG is not mafia guys.
why? i mean outside of the vc.
On March 27 2017 20:21 Xatalos wrote: DF only really talked about Koshi during last night.
yeah, df had like no reads after d2. outside of the koshi read.
i'm somewhat worried that tw actually completely gtfo'ed after his list lynch posts.
didnt df post his koshi read like very last second? very wifom to try and determine whether he was shot for explicitly that, or whether he was the shot all along. could be both though for all we know
problem is: if you are town, who is maffay. i agree with you that xata has done very little (read: nothing) today. but if amg was his partner wouldnt he try to do more? though amg being his partner is already wonky due to d2.
and while damdy is not impossible to be maffay, i do not think it is too likely.
On March 27 2017 22:18 Xatalos wrote: Frankly I'd lynch Koshi or AMG over you today, disfo, since both of them went after me over Eden on D2 given the opportunity created by rayn - so I very much doubt they're both town - but I already promised myself to sheep rayn
prepare to be yelled at post game if you guys actually ml me today and ruin my streak.
On March 18 2017 04:23 darthfoley wrote: I'd like your overall reads when you have them Eden
I don't have a lot yet and I'm sure outside of Calix, none of it is interesting.
Top town is Xatalos followed shortly by rayn and Koshi. Top scum is Calix.
Damdred has said a lot without a lot jumping out at me one way or another. I don't recall having this much difficulty discerning any feeling about his alignment when he's one of the more active posters in the thread before. Not really sure what to make of it yet, and to be fair to him, my relative disconnectedness from this game compared to past ones on here is probably to blame.
I think disformation is lock town if I'm right about Calix. Pretty sure Calix is scum and spewed disfo town. Loved this post by disfo as well:
On March 17 2017 18:05 disformation wrote:
On March 17 2017 17:58 Calix wrote: Explain scum motivation for calling multiple people town this early on and stating that I do not want to lynch them today. I'd like to see the inevitable bullshit which is sure to come.
1) Push someone weak so you have a scum read 2) get lazy and give the rest lazy town reads 3) "look how much work i already did"
if shit happens you can still easily backtrack, since its early and the trs where fairly weak in the first place
I don't get the Malongo wagon having so many votes. He's a giant blank right now and it's weird that a wagon on a straight null poster got so much traction so quick. Makes me think that there were multiple mafia driving the early discussion and managed to get attention centered on a townie with weak/no thread presence. The alternative is that Malongo is mafia and his team can't do anything to stop the town, in which case this game is easy and I'm not worried anyway.
That's about all I got that I think matters right now.
From reading Eden his filter it is way more likely Damdred is his scumbuddy and not disformation. It's always wifom but Eden is not the best mafia player and it is way more likely he talks about a town!disformation here and a mafia!Damdred.
In addition to that, though, Eden actually voted Damdred on D1 which put him in a realistic position to be lynched... And Damdred voted a (somewhat) crucial vote against Eden on D2 as well before it was at all clear how it would turn out.
Yes. But double busses happen. That can be manufactured quite easily. Reads can be manufactured as well obviously. But it is way easier to make "mistakes" within them. The waffle on Damdred vs the clean townread on disformation.
On March 28 2017 02:47 Damdred wrote: I (bias) think the double bus theory is pretty bad. I do like people defending me though
In any case, Rayn why would you rather lynch disf for instance over say Tumble? Tumble did have a few good posts during the night cycle i'll give you that point.
I just find his early game posts a bit strange still? His read progression on Eden just doesn't jive with me exactly, to hard townreading him, then calling him a red herring and its to easy but still voting him. And his going about the d1 lynch, doesn't want to vote you off but still leaves his vote on you ehhh.
IDK it might be a bit of omgus with his constant on the damdred lynch train but his filter just seems a bit off and to willing to lynch down a list really.
I'm not sure if Koshi is starting to fall out of town or not, like I could see town Koshi believing this but i'm not sure.
I agree on your AMG read. Good stuff.
cant tell if you are sarcastic or talking about his tw read
On March 28 2017 02:47 Damdred wrote: I (bias) think the double bus theory is pretty bad. I do like people defending me though
In any case, Rayn why would you rather lynch disf for instance over say Tumble? Tumble did have a few good posts during the night cycle i'll give you that point.
I just find his early game posts a bit strange still? His read progression on Eden just doesn't jive with me exactly, to hard townreading him, then calling him a red herring and its to easy but still voting him. And his going about the d1 lynch, doesn't want to vote you off but still leaves his vote on you ehhh.
IDK it might be a bit of omgus with his constant on the damdred lynch train but his filter just seems a bit off and to willing to lynch down a list really.
I'm not sure if Koshi is starting to fall out of town or not, like I could see town Koshi believing this but i'm not sure.
this doesnt tell me, who you will be voting for today, or why
On March 28 2017 02:47 Damdred wrote: I (bias) think the double bus theory is pretty bad. I do like people defending me though
In any case, Rayn why would you rather lynch disf for instance over say Tumble? Tumble did have a few good posts during the night cycle i'll give you that point.
I just find his early game posts a bit strange still? His read progression on Eden just doesn't jive with me exactly, to hard townreading him, then calling him a red herring and its to easy but still voting him. And his going about the d1 lynch, doesn't want to vote you off but still leaves his vote on you ehhh.
IDK it might be a bit of omgus with his constant on the damdred lynch train but his filter just seems a bit off and to willing to lynch down a list really.
I'm not sure if Koshi is starting to fall out of town or not, like I could see town Koshi believing this but i'm not sure.
this doesnt tell me, who you will be voting for today, or why
We just talked about that post
yeah noticed, but then i went to look at the votes and saw damdy is not even voting. so i was like: -.-
On March 20 2017 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Bulletpoints why Xatalos is mafia:
The whole claim thing as just explained
Very very terrible reasoned read on Tumblewood (aka easy lynch)
Not pushing me over Malongo (when he said himself he thought we are BOTH (with Tumble) more likely to be mafia than Malongo is) -- And no, sitting on his scumread for 47h 45mins and then making a half-arsed attempt is not "pushing a lynch on rayn" while i can perfectly underrstand why he tries it there -- i will never have a chance to respond (i can show you examples on when town!Xatalos thinks i am mafia, how he pushes the lynch if you don't believe me)
See above, how strong do you think his scumread on me was when on D2 i claim and he cannot be even arsed to think there is a possibility of me being town?
Go read his filter and see what he "pushes". He is not even wanting to lynch scum, there are no actual case, no nothing. He is just trying to find counter-wagons for everything?!?!?!? If someone is scum why do you need a counter-wagon? Why is just looking for counter-wagons?
Mrrgrlgrlgllllll !!!!!!!!!
Thankyou, Muchly.
In your reality, how likely is Damdred on his team? I really do not like Damdreds day 1 actions, specifically his voting and the 'cases' on his votes.
Ill mull over both of them being scum while I sleep. Back in 9 hours.
On March 21 2017 08:22 AMG wrote: Posting from work so Ill be in and out between phonecalls.
To everyone on the Eden wagon: Unless you think the scum team is some combination of Myself, Tumble, Eden, Calix and Darthfoley.... then youre currently on a wagon with your scum reads. Have a good hard think about that.
my only problem with that is, that I dont remember the damdred lynch ever being realistic, with a lot of ppl being very adamant on the Mal lynch. still incredible risky though.
On March 28 2017 05:28 disformation wrote: yo rayn can you tell me why it is so important that i forgot some stuff that happened first half of d1? that was over a week ago ffs
Because that is the one main fucking reason why Damdred is not mafia. You don't care what his alignment is, you just call some people scum.
thought the whole argument was always about eden voting damdred. so i checked the situation and looked at the timing and reason of eden's vote. dont see a problem with that.
so tldr: ill flip green. youll be sad. ill be sad. you lynch tw. hell flip red. youll be happy. tw will be sad. you lynch the last scum (prolly koshi). hell flip red. youll be happy. hell be sad.
On March 27 2017 11:35 AMG wrote: Nope, not letting this thread die. As I believe talking to Koshi is mostly a waste of calories at this point, Ill talk to the rest of you instead.
Damdred, Disinfo and Xata. Lets play a hypothetical. I flip town tomorrow at the lynch. Who are the scum now with that new information?
On March 27 2017 11:35 AMG wrote: Nope, not letting this thread die. As I believe talking to Koshi is mostly a waste of calories at this point, Ill talk to the rest of you instead.
Damdred, Disinfo and Xata. Lets play a hypothetical. I flip town tomorrow at the lynch. Who are the scum now with that new information?
koshi + tw
On March 27 2017 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hey AMG is not mafia guys.
why? i mean outside of the vc.
On March 27 2017 20:21 Xatalos wrote: DF only really talked about Koshi during last night.
yeah, df had like no reads after d2. outside of the koshi read.
i'm somewhat worried that tw actually completely gtfo'ed after his list lynch posts.
? at least read my filter
into:
On March 28 2017 04:29 disformation wrote: amg only has done weak stuff outside of his tr on eden. tw has been playing in a game of his own.
On March 28 2017 06:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: + if disformation scumread Tumble why the fuck all this shit on Damdred?!?!? You can just say "no, he is not mafia" but instead "yeah well this is weird.. .hmmm... yes uhm, he wasn't really ramblerambleramble...."....
was trying to make sense of all shit, you know to figure out if he is scum after all or not, since koshi seemed fairly invested. and yes i am a dumbass for missing the vc from mid d1.
On March 28 2017 06:22 Tumblewood wrote: so some of you decided you want to, against all reason, lynch Koshi? and decided that my play has become apathetic or dropped off or some shit when ON D3 you were practically praising me for making some dumbass association posts? and xata, get your own reads, for god's sake. rayn's aren't even good. damdred/disfo, as a team will always make sense because the double bus is always a possibility on the already insanely bus-heavy TL meta. amg/damdred and amg/disfo you could argue don't make sense but come on the best thing amg has done to make those teams unrealistic was defend a scum. that sort of play is what I'm actively trying to add to my scum meta. I will not even entertain the argument that none of the teams inside the 3 scummiest people in the game make sense, and I sure as hell will not tolerate some dumbass Koshi association team in a world where decent associations exist that do not involve the towniest filter in the game. ok how many pages have you made in the last 9 minutes
and you complain about my posts bein written without the intent of being read?
On March 28 2017 06:22 AMG wrote: ^ Not town.
could you specify which one? there where like 3 different posts from different ppl on top of that.
On March 29 2017 10:08 AMG wrote: And lastly, if disfo is not scum, why the sam-hill arent they in here defending themselves.
Its been long enough. The sound of silence is deafening.
would you kindly go fuck yourself?
On March 28 2017 09:11 AMG wrote: Koshi is scum, Disfo is town, tumble town. He does a last second hammer vote to move from one townie to another, which he had just finished saying was "only one making sense" drawing heavy scrutiny from the thread and outing himself as scum for no potential benefit. Nope.
Koshi is scum, Disfo is scum, tumble town. He does a last second hammer vote onto tumble to save his teammate from being lynched and drag the game out another cycle. Winner.
koshi is scum, disfo is town, tumble town. koshi moves from town to town, because scum basically wins in lylo for free.
@damdy: saw your questions, will answer when i get more time.
On March 29 2017 06:07 Damdred wrote: Yeah only way to really get past today. But let's not just afk it ignore koshi I guess and search.
AMG, when the vote got so tight why didn't you go back to rayn? Or when he said he wasn't sswitching why did you stay?
Disformation and xata can you both explain your progression on your Eden read?
Eden started out null. was slightly confused when he came in with a rehash of my scum read on calix. read confused as: really got mixed signals of a) did he really like the points or b) scum trying to look like doing stuff. felt bit better about eden when he posted other stuffs. after the mal misslynch i look again at some vote reasoning and stuff and note that eden ones was fairly bleh. when i come back to the thread eden posted a really bad post and ritoky had a real damn good explanation why that post was real bad. ritoky gets conf. town via nk. i vote eden. eden never comes back.
eh also. if you guys think i am scum with eden. why didnt i switch with the votes being: eden1892 (4): damdred, disformation, raynpelikoneet, koshi, onegu, xatalos disformation (3): Calix, darthfoley, xatalos, Tumblewood Xatalos (3): raynpelikoneet, AMG, Koshi
calix and df where still on me at that time, but werent really into lynching me at that time. prolly not much cred to be had either. so why wouldnt i want to try some stuff here?
On March 29 2017 09:43 Damdred wrote: It's going pretty well, wife is a bit moody and still has a small amount of resentment to me. Seth sleeps lots, lilian cries a lot. So all in all pretty happy.
I'm a game related more what worries me is that koshi does this to a town disformation to distract from partner xata /amg and gets a free win from association.
I'm not sit if the wifom in that regard is enough though. I just don't want people to afk vote and not explore all options in that regard.
Like I want @disformation to explain hiseden progression and what he thinks of the people left alive and why because his scum pool is basically small. And explain why it's then
aight thats a bit of a hard one. going to assume koshi flips scum (otherwise it doesnt matter since game over). i feel like koshi tried to push everyone in the thread.
damdy being with koshi would explain why koshi scum read damdy super scum but voted someone else over damdy. but then there would be the mega bus and damdy seems to be the only one still thinking about the game.
xata + koshi + eden would make little sense given how d2 went. more likely scum!koshi tried to get town!xata lynched to by scum!eden one more day.
so could scum!amg and scum!koshi try to push xata together? mayhaps. though amg didnt seem very interested to actually push.
so unless something really insane went down d2 i dont see it being xata. there are some points that could fit with damdy + koshi, but then there is the eden thing. so not very likely. then we have amg, with whom i still have the same problems with as yesterday. plus he annoyed me earlier.
so. when/if i find the time ill look at damdy/koshi and amgs filters again. not reading xatas filter. that thing is an aberration.
On March 31 2017 18:03 Xatalos wrote: It'd be bad for scum no matter what Koshi did really. Maybe that's why Koshi/disfo have been so quiet afterwards. Town disfo should have done something of merit to win for the town at least, but there's been nothing...
pray tell what to do if at least 2 players are really adamant about lynching me regardless and i dont have the time to read a 18 page koshi filter. oh btw should have mentioned this pregame, didnt expect the game to last this long, but my parents are visiting me this weekend.
On March 17 2017 08:06 Damdred wrote: Ok so since dis going to go for a bit.
I think xata and cal are both town right now.
Deepblue is moving towards scummy territory with the fearless read of koshi being town for no real reason I guess?
Probable scum post.
Why?
It just seemed like an easy jump and the thought process felt shallow.
Here's how I see it: 1. Scum typically lurk (at least more often than not) and I've scumread people in the past who answer irrelevant fluff questions without participating in the major discussion in the thread at the time especially early on in the game. 2. Koshi asked me a question. 3. I ignore everything else (the discussion between Xatalos and Damdred for instance) and respond to that pretty much instantly. 4. This shows I was reading the thread and refreshing it fairly often even if I'm not commenting. That's more often than not something scum do although there were extenuating circumstances here. 5. Koshi picked up on it and asked why I was lurking. That showed me he was on the lookout for possible scum even outside the major thread of discussion. So, I think he's probably town. It's not solid but that's the best read I have this early on. 6. Damdred I think missed the subtext entirely. He just threw out a shallow read "oh, he's appeasing someone who engaged him so he could be scum." It's just an easy read on someone he thinks would be an easy target. He doesn't really wonder why I townread Koshi or even straight up ask me.
Why are you townreading Damdred?
Join us. Vote Damdred.
more pushing damdy. switching to oneg. why? switching to me. explains later:
On March 18 2017 00:35 Koshi wrote: @rayn. I am liking Damdred atm. This is a good post.
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
parks vote on mal. the early vote into push into randomly not voting could be for distancing purposes. not that many on/of/about xata. n1: tr on xata. d2: town lean damdy. explains:
On March 20 2017 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you quote all of those posts that made you change your mind on Damdred, before you left, from D1 Koshi?
From what I remember I know I thought he was potential mafia in the first hours. But then after bed I changed my view and thought it was more likely disformation was mafia over Damdred. I reread the game and Damdred his posts showed he was looking for answers while disformation just parried the assault. I think the following posts were all made after I went to bed and then later when I was awake. I also saw I somewhere told you I was liking Damdred and we had a discussion. + Show Spoiler +
On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote: Oh! Also don't like Malongo
I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways.
My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy.
So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time.
##ryanpelikoneet
Everything else es just nonsense for me at this point.
Curious, by your admission you don't like how our wagons are going. It sort of implies that you think both wagons are town. Why? And who are the mafia on both wagons having the "easy" life?
On March 17 2017 09:59 Damdred wrote: Xata started as a gut read from his first playful banter. He generally as scum is pretty tense non fluid and kinda lacks much in the way of anything. I felt he was the opposite at the start, he flowed with the game thread was involved and tried to understand players.
I thought he looked town tbh.
Calix is a dick (lovable ) as town and is more free with the town reads. As scum hedges and is more middle of the road. Here really I involved even early trying to ferret out people. I liked it early and liked thebdickishness that was displayed towards koshi trying to get him to play.
Also for the record I think disf probably going to be town. Seems legit confused atvpoints, has time to back pedal and just explain and would get pressure off him but doesn't do it and just moved straight ahead. I still would like some explanation from him but yeahbi don't think scum woulddd play to bring that much attention to himself without trying to be it of him before he leaves. (Sorts bad read by hownibfeel)
On March 17 2017 22:40 Damdred wrote: I think mal posts are suspect and I think he ignored my post about who the scum were on dis and my wagons at the time having an easy time. Id put him in the scummy category.
Tumble is interesting I think, chides me for trying to form a town circle when that's exactly what I do early every game and I'm almost always right. I think it's just super weird way to go about it especially without explaining why I'm wrong on the vets I wanted to town read. Bottom of null for me.
As for your question xata, he just has no deviation from his story idk if I see scum doing it without trying to backtrack meh.
Also where did deep go, just kinda peace out once people stopped suspecting him and hasn't been back. Not saying lunch able just worrying.
On March 17 2017 22:55 Damdred wrote: Maybe it's kind of meh.
So dis
Damdred Calix Xata Koahi Dis Rayn Deep
This is kinda a town list where I am at right now. Am I wrong on any of these and why?
On March 17 2017 23:55 Damdred wrote: I had a post typed out to rayn but I decided to delete it as I have already answered parts of it to other people, the only part I will comment to is the deep part. I still have a townread on him, its just suspicious he shows up when hes talked about does a few things then when nobody talks about him he leaves. Its something to think about later but I don't think its anything near lynchable yet. As for deeps question to me, I think Rayns posts were interesting and to the point though you had to look through the rping. Hes clearly thinking about the game. Xata isn't hard to read if you pay attention to his past games TW. Also sorry about formatting typing this on ps4 and hard to do linebreaks.
On March 20 2017 09:46 Koshi wrote: You are annoying me with this line of reasoning btw. It is very easy to see how I thought this game. And you are twisting it up so stupidly.
1) I thought Damdred was mafia. I thought you were possbile town. 2) I didn't think Damdred was mafia, more likely town even. I still thought you were town. (I vote malongo post) 3) I thought damdred was town. I thought you were town. (long time this game) 4) I thought damdred was town. I am seriously considering you for mafia (During night)
And during 4 I can use quotes from your filter that happened during 1-3. Otherwise nobody can ever change his opinion.
On March 20 2017 21:43 AMG wrote: This is a shitty thought experiment because filters in isolation are only part of the story. This is a game of interaction. As such both of my reads on these players will involve another player. (the same player)
Eden is probably town.
disinformation is also probably town.
Lets discuss why.
On March 19 2017 10:34 Eden1892 wrote: Why did we lynch Malongo? I guess it's "safe" but he was perfect null.
I voted Damdred because: 1. Calix wasn't a reasonable wagon and tbh I was starting to second guess myself anyway 2. I didn't see any compelling reason to vote Malongo. It's safe but fuck that, town doesn't win making safe plays unless the Mafia sucks. 3. Damdred still hasn't done anything that made me think he couldn't be Mafia. That's hypocritical compared to Malongo, except that I know I can expect more from Damdred and I can't know to do so from Malongo. 4. My vote for Damdred put the wagons at 5-3 which gave the Mafia a chance to save Malongo if he were scum; gave town a second wagon to consider, and I thought if the EOD were more active we'd get more meaningful info from that with a real 2nd option.
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I've made this post before as town. He really wanted to lynch Calix, which is stupid, but he wants what he wants. That's not on the cards from what I gather up to page 22. So he justifies where he did leave his vote in the end, Damdred, as he believes that even his second choice for the day was a better option than where the lynch ended up going. Hes saying "right well you guys fucked up by not listening to me, and now that you've gone and dun fucked up, listen to me more in the future.... and kill who i want to kill". Looks like a townie who wants to flip his scum reads to me.
disinformation seems town for his early interactions with Calix. I can feel the emotion in his posts, his back and forth bickering seems genuine. He also seems reluctant to step off his scum read of Calix, even after both agree they're in OMGUS territory and are shitting up the thread. Its at this point that id expect a scum disinformation to commit whole hog to a fight with Calix and completely clog up the thread, but he does manage to back out of it and refocus elsewhere, while still maintaining his paranoia of Calix, but agreeing to lynch elsewhere for now.
I don't know why my brain takes so much value of this post but it does.... I am suddenly uncertain again
On March 20 2017 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like the thing townies do when someone claims is: - They consider all possibilities and look at the night kill and see what makes sense.
What Xatalos does: - "At least this kill makes the all vanilla setup less likely." - "I think there is a blue out there" (with onegu) - "wow rayn didn't say who he jailed" (why the fuck would i, it doesn't help the town at all) - "As scum, he would know the setup. If there is no true JK, he can claim being roleblocked and push his agenda freely until LYLO." (DOES ANYONE SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH THIS???) - "Now this is an all vanilla setup and rayn claimed to idk what reason but it makes totes sense!!!"
Doesn't even try to figure out what it means if i am town. Never. Just "here is why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense, well here is a new scenario why he is scum" -> "no it doesn't make sense... [contunue]" while thinking there is another power role out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
scummyscumscum
I haven't said I think there is a power role out there. Statistically it's more likely, but not certain.
I thought it was statistically 5% that i am a power role so i guess the rest of 95% is all vanilla setup no?
1) You had around 5% chance of rolling JK, 30% scum, and I would scumread you without the claim, so the chance of being scum isn't "extremely low".
2) I said there is a claim-like post in the thread. I didn't say I believed it was from a blue necessarily.
We discussed this yesterday... Those % don't make any sense for scum rayn. It's more liekly he is 95% jk and 5% scum and then scum is always in trouble which is unlikely after the ritoky kill.
The easy answer is always darthfoley/Eden/disformation and then a benched out of Onegu/AMG. And we should always lynch Eden/disformation first.
The scary team is TW/Onegu/AMG. Then we are fucked.
tr on xata gain.
On March 20 2017 23:09 Koshi wrote: If Damdred and Xatalos are mafia this game I failed horrible but I don't believe it. They are just lock towns for me.
On March 20 2017 23:11 Koshi wrote: Pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff. I will reread a couple pages in Xatalos his filter and try to make a towncase. But not now.
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like what about them you don't like.
He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.
On March 21 2017 00:15 disformation wrote: xata might take a bit.
On March 21 2017 00:13 Koshi wrote:
On March 20 2017 23:38 AMG wrote:
On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like what about them you don't like.
He parks his vote on mal for being "suspect". Never elaborated on what that even meant. Does not even attempt to engage Mal in any questioning or conversation. Makes a case on why Eden might be better lynch, vote stays on mal, says he does not feel comfortable being on the same wagon as DR, yet never moved his vote off. Talks about how little resistance there is to mals lunch, does not get off it.
Chances that I am fucking horrible are increasing
care to look on my stuff on damdy in comparison?
I believe Damdred is town. I believe Xatalos is town. I believe that for the same reasons you think Damdred is town. I liked the quotes concerning Eden, makes it even more unlikely Damdred is mafia if Eden flips mafia. The emo posts I saw and are part of my townread on Damdred.
It's a good post. But not impossible to make as mafia.
On March 21 2017 23:10 Koshi wrote: Ok. I am going to read random Xatalos pages.
which results in his super hard flip on xata. dont think he would flip on xata as his partner like that. way more likely he tried to get xata ml over eden. dont like the interaction with amg. they look rather weird to me. the tr on damdy leaves me 50/50 ish. n2: nothring d3: starts to sr amg, but wants oneg dead over him. votes damdred and says damdred/amg is the scum team. eases up on damdy switches to amg. huih?
On March 27 2017 20:40 disformation wrote: didnt even realize xata was voting koshi. like xata i get you are sheeping rayn, but rayn hasnt voted yet, so can you explain why koshi over me?
Because he is mafia.
the damdy thing clears up kinda easy and nice, like he might have known from qt:
On March 27 2017 21:02 Koshi wrote: Tumble I also think is town because we were at the same place yesterday. rayn is sadly confirmed but is having a meltdown. 100% Robin, never Batman.
Damdred is legit busy, but is only calling people town in the last 5 days. After the Eden lynch he hasn't called anybody mafia anymore. Go look at his filter.
Xatalos is passive as fuck. Just controlling the thread. Has been hoping rayn would say something else than AMG since the start of the day. Now that he did he jumps on me without even knowing why I am mafia. Just as long he can vote not AMG.
AMG is mafia and can die in a fire.
also note the distancing from xata. more pushing on amg/damdy. stay tuned for the epic conclusion in our next episode
aight so. from koshis filter amg doesnt make a lot of sense. cause the hard push d4. damdy would make some sense, since i dont feel his pushes were that sincere/dangerous of actually getting damdy into trouble. but damdy makes little sense with eden. the thing is: outside of d2 i really dont like the interactions with xata.
ive seen koshi, hf and palmar pull some really really sick distancing play in a game. i think it is possible koshi did that d2 with xata. would explain the random flip. he could easily have pulled something would it haven gotten dangerous for xata. thread also wasnt very behind a xata lynch to begin with.
this one is really difficult to tell since both wagons town. current situation was probably created by the wagons being this close. Onegu (7): Xatalos, disformation, raynpelikoneet, Koshi, AMG, Tumblewood, Damdred darthfoley (0): Koshi Koshi (1): Onegu
both eden and koshi being on damdy says damdy is town. damdy and xata being super late on mal is bleh. raynpelikoneet (0) xatalos, calix, koshi eden1892(6): damdred, disformation, raynpelikoneet ,koshi, onegu, xatalos, darthfoley, Calix, raynpelikoneet disformation(1): Calix, darthfoley, xatalos, Tumblewood AMG (0): Tumblewood Koshi (0): Tumblewood Xatalos (3): raynpelikoneet, AMG, Koshi, raynpelikoneet
Not voting (1): Eden1892 damdred: hardcore bus. very unlikely as discussed. amg trying to get xata lynched over eden. not impossible. bit weird. xata wanting me and switching to the bus, as ppl start to want me and get meh about me makes perfect sense as a pr.
On March 22 2017 02:38 Xatalos wrote: Eden/AMG/rayn? Eden/Onegu/rayn? Eden/Onegu/AMG?
Maybe.
At least I think there are 2+ scum in those groups.
For the sake of the argument, say rayn is really the blue role he claims that has been not CC'd. Take him out of your equation. How do you feel about the other people in the game: TW, damdred, Koshi, disformation, Calix. Any pecking order currently of how you view these players?
Well here's a rough ranking of everyone right now:
Calix Damdred Koshi Tumble disfo DF Onegu AMG Eden
Very rough. Some spots would likely move a place or two with filter-diving.
You increased in rank with the helpful/clear-headed attitude in this situation. AMG and Onegu dropped a bit for staying on the sidelines and/or supporting my lynch to some extent.
Dunno about Koshi. He probably genuinely bought the case somehow, even if the change was shockingly radical.
3rd most tr person, but dunno about him?!
On March 22 2017 02:49 Xatalos wrote: Koshi is my weakest real townread atm though. It left a slightly odd feeling how he went from sure town to sure scum in a matter of minutes, defending me from everything one moment and fully confident I'm scum the next.
read doesnt line up. whole lot of nothing into:
On March 25 2017 07:56 Xatalos wrote: I'm not even completely sure why I townread Koshi so hard earlier. I guess he could use another look.
Then again, he's been pretty active and engaged... Not really fitting the profile of our scumteam here...
we are on pg 29 already. throws a distancing vote on koshi pg 33. i call it that because he didnt try to hard to get the lynch going. into:
On March 27 2017 22:18 Xatalos wrote: Frankly I'd lynch Koshi or AMG over you today, disfo, since both of them went after me over Eden on D2 given the opportunity created by rayn - so I very much doubt they're both town - but I already promised myself to sheep rayn
On April 01 2017 03:51 disformation wrote: d2 votes indicate xata making perfect sense as scum.
I was in very real danger of being lynched though. I certainly wouldn't allow my scumteam to force a me vs Eden situation on D2, especially since Eden was barely even playing and a Goon. I would have most likely totally bussed Eden with the whole team or maybe, maybe tried to get a townie lynched.
both situations you describe dont make sense with me on the team.
On April 01 2017 03:51 disformation wrote: d2 votes indicate xata making perfect sense as scum.
I was in very real danger of being lynched though. I certainly wouldn't allow my scumteam to force a me vs Eden situation on D2, especially since Eden was barely even playing and a Goon. I would have most likely totally bussed Eden with the whole team or maybe, maybe tried to get a townie lynched.
both situations you describe dont make sense with me on the team.
I was talking about what I'd have done, not what you'd have done though.
And you did kind of do a similar thing. Bussed Eden, but entertained the option of voting me all the way until it was practically an impossible move to make.
way to miss my point. plus i dont have a problem with having a hard time to decide voting between two scummers
On April 01 2017 07:35 Xatalos wrote: Better to have clear, focused reasoning for an opinion than line after line of fluff like you
If you mean posts like:
On March 26 2017 05:12 Xatalos wrote: I could probably aim to write a novel with the material I've posted on TL Mafia over the years....
Anyway I think Damdred is really quite townish from his vote behavior on D2 alone. disfo also went for Eden, and stayed on him all day, even though he seemed to consider me a bit at times... But that's not necessarily scummy. Dunno, I kind of like both Tumble and disfo? AMG is the only one I seriously think could be scum out of the remaining players. The last one... urgh
where you just waffle on around 4 ppl. sure.
On April 01 2017 23:23 Damdred wrote: [...] Disf why are you always so hesitant to really do things on your own the whole game without being prodded really? Your votes are also really stagnant even though you are here eod with shenanigans going to happen.
And how was it a backstab koshi voting you? I hate that wording you used because backstab implies friend/same team instead of an unknown meh. [...]
Q: Disf why are you always so hesitant to really do things on your own the whole game without being prodded really? A: Dunno. Didnt felt like this to me.
Q: Your votes are also really stagnant even though you are here eod with shenanigans going to happen. A: If i dont like the shenny target, i am not moving my vote.
Q: And how was it a backstab koshi voting you? A: He went from:
On March 28 2017 04:45 Koshi wrote: There is no fucking way disformation is mafia here.
Damdred/AGM/(tumblewood)
to:
On March 28 2017 05:56 Koshi wrote: Fine. I am afk till deadline. Probably till tomorrow. ##unvote ##vote disformation
i think it was: eden (4): damdy, disfo, oneg, xata disfo (3): calix, df, tw xata (3): rayn, amg, koshi
so koshi switching to me still would have been a dead eden. thread consent was also not that much behind lynching me (see by df and calix switching off me later). both xata and koshi switching to me and pushing hard could have worked, but would have been fairly suspicious imo. as in two ppl trying to get the lynch of scum pretty hard. the xata bus by koshi was less risky (since they also control one of the votes/Pushes on xata and gave xata a metric fuckton of town points.
@eden: was wishy washy on eden d1. eden posts a horribly scummy post n1. the guy pointing out why/how that post was super scummy dies. guy who did the scummy post doesnt show up. how do you not vote that?
i think it was: eden (4): damdy, disfo, oneg, xata disfo (3): calix, df, tw xata (3): rayn, amg, koshi
so koshi switching to me still would have been a dead eden. thread consent was also not that much behind lynching me (see by df and calix switching off me later). both xata and koshi switching to me and pushing hard could have worked, but would have been fairly suspicious imo. as in two ppl trying to get the lynch of scum pretty hard. the xata bus by koshi was less risky (since they also control one of the votes/Pushes on xata and gave xata a metric fuckton of town points.
@eden: was wishy washy on eden d1. eden posts a horribly scummy post n1. the guy pointing out why/how that post was super scummy dies. guy who did the scummy post doesnt show up. how do you not vote that?
And the reason youbdidnt gain ground was because it felt like couldn't get another wagon traction. If let's say ou get into a dead heat with Eden wagon.
(CONJECTURE) Calix and xata probably never move which meand rayn decides lynch.
Which btw this theory of xata and eden being prefered lynch targets would mean mafia wanted to lynch 0 town that day
not sure i understand correctly. i aldo thonk rayn was the preferred mafia lynch for that dsy. but he claimed.
On April 01 2017 23:40 Damdred wrote: Also super hard as scum to go after a claimed powerrole you know is true as you and up looking worse. Point in xata favor for sure.
Hrm
Have seen scum do that before. think it was in nsm full metal alchemist. was also their lynch target if i remember correctly.
On April 03 2017 02:43 Damdred wrote: Really do hope disf comes back though seriously kinda want to hhear what he has to say
was out with my parents all day.
On April 02 2017 23:38 Damdred wrote: Idk just tell me xata is scum disf. And if xata is scum why did scum decide that xata should be the second wagon over you when they had the chance?
And honestly what makes xata reaction to the wagon come from scum instead of town?
thought i did already tell you that xata is scum. uh i kinda was like a wagon that didnt looked liked going anywhere? i mean yeah, they could have tried to getting me lynched, which would have looked awful on a failure. or they could do a meh push on xata and get xata like nigh unlynchable status. also explains why koshi did the move he did. xata is not very likely to get lynched.
think his reaction of being cool with koshi despite koshis 180° is fairly telling. so i am not sure what other reactions you refer to.
On April 03 2017 03:46 Xatalos wrote: Only disfo really benefits from AMG being dead.... Since he started pushing me last night, and Damdred would be possible to convince from his perspective. I would always shoot Damdred, and Damdred would probably always shoot me. AMG was set on lynching disfo after all, and I really doubt Damdred's death would have changed his mind in any way (since Damdred was widely townread and overall a solid kill). So from the perspective of either myself or Damdred, AMG is an idiotic kill - less so for Damdred, but still a pretty bad pick.
so. if i was scum, what would prevent me from shooting you and going like "oh welp seems i was wrong, must have been amg after all"?
On April 03 2017 03:51 Xatalos wrote: Actually, rayn's jailing even proves that I'm town. Since Koshi was the RB, I would have been the KP carrier that night, meaning that a kill couldn't have happened at all since I was in jail. So.... Case closed :D
have you said anything today that isnt 100% wifom?
On April 03 2017 03:46 Xatalos wrote: Only disfo really benefits from AMG being dead.... Since he started pushing me last night, and Damdred would be possible to convince from his perspective. I would always shoot Damdred, and Damdred would probably always shoot me. AMG was set on lynching disfo after all, and I really doubt Damdred's death would have changed his mind in any way (since Damdred was widely townread and overall a solid kill). So from the perspective of either myself or Damdred, AMG is an idiotic kill - less so for Damdred, but still a pretty bad pick.
so. if i was scum, what would prevent me from shooting you and going like "oh welp seems i was wrong, must have been amg after all"?
Seems pretty stupid to spend all night searching dirt on me and then killing me, no? Talk about a waste of effort...
so you admit to shooting amg to further implicate me? nice
On April 03 2017 03:51 Xatalos wrote: Actually, rayn's jailing even proves that I'm town. Since Koshi was the RB, I would have been the KP carrier that night, meaning that a kill couldn't have happened at all since I was in jail. So.... Case closed :D
have you said anything today that isnt 100% wifom?
That's not WIFOM, but pure gameplay logic. It's 100% impossible that I'm scum if we assume rayn told the truth about his night actions. I don't see why he would lie.
what prevents koshi or eden from delievering the shot?
On April 03 2017 03:51 Xatalos wrote: Actually, rayn's jailing even proves that I'm town. Since Koshi was the RB, I would have been the KP carrier that night, meaning that a kill couldn't have happened at all since I was in jail. So.... Case closed :D
have you said anything today that isnt 100% wifom?
That's not WIFOM, but pure gameplay logic. It's 100% impossible that I'm scum if we assume rayn told the truth about his night actions. I don't see why he would lie.
what prevents koshi or eden from delievering the shot?
On April 03 2017 03:51 Xatalos wrote: Actually, rayn's jailing even proves that I'm town. Since Koshi was the RB, I would have been the KP carrier that night, meaning that a kill couldn't have happened at all since I was in jail. So.... Case closed :D
have you said anything today that isnt 100% wifom?
That's not WIFOM, but pure gameplay logic. It's 100% impossible that I'm scum if we assume rayn told the truth about his night actions. I don't see why he would lie.
what prevents koshi or eden from delievering the shot?
On April 03 2017 03:51 Xatalos wrote: Actually, rayn's jailing even proves that I'm town. Since Koshi was the RB, I would have been the KP carrier that night, meaning that a kill couldn't have happened at all since I was in jail. So.... Case closed :D
have you said anything today that isnt 100% wifom?
That's not WIFOM, but pure gameplay logic. It's 100% impossible that I'm scum if we assume rayn told the truth about his night actions. I don't see why he would lie.
what prevents koshi or eden from delievering the shot?
On April 03 2017 04:05 disformation wrote: like as jk i would jail defensively n1. was actually somewhat surprised rayn went offensive n2.
It's a double-edged sword defensively though - could cripple the Cop as well. And if it hits the KP carrier, you both protect a kill + reveal scum. Win-win. Depends on if you have any strong scum-reads I guess.
eh. if you prevent the kp there is still like a 50/50 whether you hit the kp target or carrier.
On April 03 2017 04:05 disformation wrote: like as jk i would jail defensively n1. was actually somewhat surprised rayn went offensive n2.
It's a double-edged sword defensively though - could cripple the Cop as well. And if it hits the KP carrier, you both protect a kill + reveal scum. Win-win. Depends on if you have any strong scum-reads I guess.
eh. if you prevent the kp there is still like a 50/50 whether you hit the kp target or carrier.
really hate playing blue tbh xD
On March 17 2017 07:06 disformation wrote: I hate playing town power roles. =D
On April 03 2017 04:24 Damdred wrote: Likexata I don't get it you keep saying you are going to reevaluate me/amg/disfo but I never see you actuallybdobit.
You just trust koshis actions make disf scum and never look at anything.
Like I could v making you my bitch right now and you seem so content to argue with disf it just is freaky.
well. if he is scum with koshi that is their exact plan. koshi jumps from town to town, so town has a super dead day (okay I wasnt helping with that, sry) and then i am kinda the auto lynch.
also: i generally have a hard time remembering what xata did this game. you know besides the super early d1 confusion stuff with you and me and him being pushed by a flipping koshi d2.
and i absolutely hate all that "oh i wouldnt have approved the nightactions" remember a few days ago when we were at like "nobody would have approved those actions besides the afk folks"
On April 03 2017 04:59 disformation wrote: also: i generally have a hard time remembering what xata did this game. you know besides the super early d1 confusion stuff with you and me and him being pushed by a flipping koshi d2.
and he has a 42 page filter...
Well, your filter is over half of mine, and I think the term "non-impactful" applies to you more than anything.... I've at least pushed several wagons, engaged in various fights on different issues etc. You've just kind of coasted by unnoticed all game.
what game are you reading? i think i had ppl voting me every day this game? unnoticed? had multiple fights with calix. was on the spot all of d4. always tried to engage with ppl when i was around.
On April 03 2017 05:10 Damdred wrote: But what's the point of xata not cruising to a win with amg?
Like we can play semantics all we want, but explain to me how xata killing amg who's mantra was just kill disf is a better kill than someone whonis 50/50 and listeni mg to both sides disf?
yeah that is basically the one thing i dont fully understand. did it for the wifom? maybe wanted to avoid a situation where they sit on me all day to me putting in some work and ppl getting cold feet. like he is really hard to lynch regardless.
mh. could they have figured out who teh cop was? or thought they figured that out? so rb on cop, maybe even have koshi do both kp and rb? is real risky though
On April 03 2017 05:45 disformation wrote: mh. could they have figured out who teh cop was? or thought they figured that out? so rb on cop, maybe even have koshi do both kp and rb? is real risky though
Can rb do both carry rb and kp?
Way xata was going through scenarios I didn't think so?
why wouldnt he? good point though, let me look at the op
On April 03 2017 06:08 beentheredonethat wrote: My perception of the game:
It was actually quite the nailbiter. I liked the activity in general and enjoyed reading a lot, although the last days were dragged out a lot. I feel like with an active Eden, things would've been way better for scum. Great job at blocking the cop, I think, two times?
Shame for Malongo to bite the dust that early. I hope he returns however to play some more games.
yeah tbh on d5 i was like "wtf do i do now?" "uh..." "i guess its a good time to play the new dark souls 3 dlc"
On April 03 2017 06:11 Xatalos wrote: Well played to both Koshi and disfo though. The night actions weren't so bad either when considering the team members, after all.
yeah we were like "huh, why are they hating our actions this much"
though rayn did us a number like d4? so maybe should have shot him over calix after all.
On April 03 2017 06:11 Xatalos wrote: Well played to both Koshi and disfo though. The night actions weren't so bad either when considering the team members, after all.
yeah we were like "huh, why are they hating our actions this much"
though rayn did us a number like d4? so maybe should have shot him over calix after all.
I don't think it would have made a massive difference. I would have slayed y'all harder than Buffy
was acutally sad that i just couldnt omgus at you next day phase xD
On April 03 2017 07:04 disformation wrote: pfffff i am not that easy to lynch =p
I can second that. Despite doing absolutely nothing, you managed to be the last man standing and STILL had people town-reading you/ doubting that you were mafia. A survivor you are.
<3
oh yeah i think i wanted to quote you and someone else being like "lol he did nothing all game" and be like "you are not supposed to tell thread my secret powers now i need a new meta"
On April 03 2017 07:04 disformation wrote: pfffff i am not that easy to lynch =p
I can second that. Despite doing absolutely nothing, you managed to be the last man standing and STILL had people town-reading you/ doubting that you were mafia. A survivor you are.
<3
TBH my town meta being somewhat bleh def. helps. like scum!rels tried to get me ML over having 0 original thoughts some game recently. too content with sheeping thread consent/good players.
though at least in my head while my town style is fairly similar to my scum style there are some differences in quality/thoughtprocess.
On April 03 2017 06:24 disformation wrote: also think town overall played pretty good this game.
my personal goal is to play like tw next game.
o.O why would you do that to yourself
The horror...
i actually was fairly inspired by you (=tw) not giving a damn and just doing your thing. also was surprisingly hard to lynch you (=tw) despite you not having a lot of time/posts. like i need to post like 20 pages of crap and put a lot of time into the game to be hard to lynch.
edit: some ppl had some spot on reads on me though. some stuff calix had on me really is basically my town meta, but she had a few posts that really hit the mark, too. someone else had a real good post on me too. cant remember.
maybe ill be looking up some of those this evening.
also: will put up a disclaimer b4 the next game that the time i have greatly varies with whats going on at work. cause that was legit. me not playing in the evenings of n4/d5 was me being lazy though. xD
Have you seen how a Xatalos/ Calix scum team actually plays?
Hint: It's not hardcore town-reading each other for the entire game because neither of us are that ballsy.
#WIFOM
On March 20 2017 18:11 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 18:08 disformation wrote:
On March 20 2017 18:01 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:56 disformation wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:47 Calix wrote:
On March 20 2017 17:45 disformation wrote: [quote] isnt telling you what ive done this game even more defending?
and going along with the thread sentiment is extremely nai for me, as anyone who ever played with you can tell very easily.
LOL, YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL US WHAT YOU'VE ACHIEVED.
And you have what, 8? 9? pages of filter at this point. Holy shit, do I need to summarise it for you? Because it won't be pretty, mate.
Ooh, NAI. That's kinda my point. You have not done anything 'townie' this game, just things which don't 'look' scummy on the surface. But under that, there's nothing. You're so forgettable that it's not even funny.
lol what the fuck do you expect me to say? I tried to figure out ppl alignments and talk to ppl in thread? and then get "lol your posts are boring" or ppl who didnt even read them? or that i had to spend a fuckton of time d1 explaining a throwaway post i made early on?
I'd expect you to at least know what impact you've had on the game or what original contributions you've made and if you can't do that then you're mafia and can die.
And yes, your posts are shamefully dull. It's my tried and tested heuristic. Townies are interesting and proactive. Mafia are bland and passive. You are the textbook example of the second. It's like HTS in Dark Tournament (if we're going to cross-reference players )
You didn't 'have to' spend a load of time talking about it. You made that choice...at the expense of anything else Nice deflecting of responsibility for your own actions when you could have just told Xatalos and co to fuck right off and then blow them away with ACTUAL scum-hunting.
Welcome to town!disformation. Thanks for describing my town meta and say that is scum. You could also have attempted a meta read on me, since i was scum together with hats in dark tournament.
and thats not how i work @ xata. in the same way that i keep arguing with you instead of doing work.
Oh give me a break with your meta references. I don't give a shit about meta analysis when your play this game is exactly what mafia in this situation would do.
Telling me "oh it's my town meta" instead of actually showing me that you're town via your actions is incredibly mafia, actually.
Your point?
And if you say "you contradicted yourself" then I'm going to laugh.
was more like a touché kind of thing
lol wtf
So you just thought leaving two quotes with no explanation and letting people read what they want into it was fine and dandy?
And you conveniently do this when rayn has tunnel-visioned me, thus giving him ammunition to keep tunneling me for shitty reasons?
Yeah no, I don't buy that.
oh btw that was honestly just a touché kind of thing