[M][N] Generic Mini Mafia

On March 20 2017 21:09 Koshi wrote:
AMG. Are you mafia?

On March 20 2017 21:13 Koshi wrote:
Can you give your opinion on the filters of disformation and Eden? Without reading the thread first. Just those filters.

On March 19 2017 10:34 Eden1892 wrote:
Why did we lynch Malongo? I guess it's "safe" but he was perfect null.

I voted Damdred because:
1. Calix wasn't a reasonable wagon and tbh I was starting to second guess myself anyway
2. I didn't see any compelling reason to vote Malongo. It's safe but fuck that, town doesn't win making safe plays unless the Mafia sucks.
3. Damdred still hasn't done anything that made me think he couldn't be Mafia. That's hypocritical compared to Malongo, except that I know I can expect more from Damdred and I can't know to do so from Malongo.
4. My vote for Damdred put the wagons at 5-3 which gave the Mafia a chance to save Malongo if he were scum; gave town a second wagon to consider, and I thought if the EOD were more active we'd get more meaningful info from that with a real 2nd option.

WITH THAT SAID, I apologize for not actually returning. I sorely underestimated my wireless carrier's range, Mississippi's infrastructure and the entertainment level of this wedding. I solemnly swear not to make any of those mistakes again, especially expecting positive outcomes from Mississippi's infratstructure. A truly egregious error to be certain

On March 20 2017 21:44 Calix wrote:
The fact that AMG comes in and town-reads both wagons/ potential ML options is fascinating although I'm not sure what to make of it.

On March 20 2017 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You're so fucking mafia it hurts.

On March 20 2017 23:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bulletpoints why Xatalos is mafia:

• The whole claim thing as just explained
  
• Very very terrible reasoned read on Tumblewood (aka easy lynch)
  
• Not pushing me over Malongo (when he said himself he thought we are BOTH (with Tumble) more likely to be mafia than Malongo is) -- And no, sitting on his scumread for 47h 45mins and then making a half-arsed attempt is not "pushing a lynch on rayn" while i can perfectly underrstand why he tries it there -- i will never have a chance to respond (i can show you examples on when town!Xatalos thinks i am mafia, how he pushes the lynch if you don't believe me)
  
• See above, how strong do you think his scumread on me was when on D2 i claim and he cannot be even arsed to think there is a possibility of me being town?
  
• Go read his filter and see what he "pushes". He is not even wanting to lynch scum, there are no actual case, no nothing. He is just trying to find counter-wagons for everything?!?!?!? If someone is scum why do you need a counter-wagon? Why is just looking for counter-wagons?
  
• Mrrgrlgrlgllllll !!!!!!!!!

On March 20 2017 23:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean like what about them you don't like.

On March 21 2017 09:06 Koshi wrote:

Who is mafia?

On March 21 2017 08:41 Damdred wrote:


Scenario one: Eden is afk scum, there is no reason for scum not to be on eden, there is no good defense of Eden. Just lynch and try to muddy up the water's and try to not give credit tonthebpeople on wagon song mafia had to be there!

Scenario two: Eden is somehow afk town that can't play and sort of doesn't care. If course scum isn't going to pass up thus wagon. Easy lynch.

On March 21 2017 13:27 darthfoley wrote:


I've thought of a few scenarios and maybe you can provide some insight

1. Kill ritoky because ritoky has historically good reads on someone/someones in the game. Is ritoky very stubborn? How does he go after people? There could be motivation to off a veteran player who has looked over stuff with fresh eyes.

2. I think it's more likely that ritoky symbolized a nice mix of everything mafia might try to hit during the night. Blue hunting, also not likely to be saved by medic, plus my previous point.

3. Scum is in a much better situation than the town thinks currently, and wants to provide the town with as little information as possible. Which is exactly what happened

4. Simplest yet improbable. Ritoky was right about Eden and his other reads (outside of me of course!) and mafia went for the direct kill to silence him. I find this incredibly short sighted and unlikely to be the sole reason because Eden (if eden is scum) and his partners have not attempted to discredit ritoky. Eden hasn't come back to the game. I just don't see the sole motivation being ritoky's Eden read like some have implied when Eden is (in this scenario) AFK scum.

5. Frame onto ritoky's scum reads. Plausible but probably not optimal considering Eden already had a lot of pressure on him

On March 21 2017 13:52 darthfoley wrote:


I'm sorta confused why you treat this like it's a fool proof point. Almost certainly if Eden is scum his partners are bussing him considering he's given them nothing to work with... maybe if he had come back and fought the good fight against the lynch, you'd have a point.

Considering the fact that he's been MIA for like 36 hours and his activity came during low activity spurts, idk what you expect his theoretical partners to do? Other than defending Eden, can you expand on why you don't like Xatalos and anything additional on Damdred? Please elaborate on your fleshed out reads a bit more

Cuz I like the way you're playing so far and you aren't being lazy, but I need to hear what you think about others. Specifically Koshi, TW, Calix

On March 21 2017 13:52 darthfoley wrote:
Cuz I like the way you're playing so far and you aren't being lazy, but I need to hear what you think about others. Specifically Koshi, TW, Calix

On March 20 2017 05:21 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos is extremely townie on page 43.

On March 21 2017 17:45 disformation wrote:
@AMG:
did you notice that a bunch of eden's points on calix were plagiarised from my earlier posts on calix?
i also havent seen you or anyone else refute ritoky's post on eden.
like how does post town eden's n1 post?

On March 21 2017 20:38 Koshi wrote:
Now tell me who you are AMG. I can't figure it out.

On March 21 2017 20:43 Koshi wrote:

I like this team. What is your read on Onegu?

On March 21 2017 20:52 Calix wrote:
Wow you really are ancient then, lol

On March 21 2017 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ADAM!!!<3

On March 21 2017 20:56 Calix wrote:
It's really weird to think that most of the people in this game are like, late 20s-30s.

On March 21 2017 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I regained my passion to actually interact with someone in this game. Adam are you around in an hour? I am home then. Lets talk mafia.

On March 21 2017 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My view of Damdred's play this game is he is not here to find mafia, he is here trying to make friends.

On March 21 2017 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Alright AMG. Xatalos. What's your opinion on this:

Furthermore there are two other things. Basically this game the way Xatalos has acted towards me in a competely unreasonable manner. When i first made my case on Damdred (and Malongo - but mostly on Damdred) on D1, he doesn't even try to understand where i am coming from. It's very clearly seen from his responses he didn't (1) get what i was saying and (2) didn't even try to understand what i am saying, he jsut trashed on the read for no real reason. Same trend continues on D2. Like now he is at least acting in a manner he sees me most likely town. Why is he still jsut trashing me and not even TRYING to communicate with me in any reasonable manner? It doesn't matter if i call him mafia, look at for example Koshi - Koshi is not calling me scum, Koshi is not trashing me all the time when i am not even in thread. Xatalos on the other hand is. Koshi is letting me do my thing. There is a huge difference between those two and i don't understand why Xatalos as town would act like that especially now on D2 if he was town. It doesn't make any sense because he has to know i can be an asset to the town. He isn't trying to even communicate, he just discredits.

On March 21 2017 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There are too many mafia in this game.

On March 21 2017 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I know but i literally don't care often times anymore.
But in the last couple of years i have been lynched for like eight times, a couple of them i totally deserved, one was retarded game overall and the last five times i have only called out mafia. I quit for a couple of times already because of that (amongst other things). When the game of logical deduction doesn't include logic anymore i don't really find much fun in it, except for if i am right or not. I decided i wanna have presence for the longest amount of time since i don't usually do as well in obs/following than i do in-game. And Koshi was being a dick and switching his "lynch rayn D3" into D2 (srsly Koshi that's super fucking annoying and the only times you have lynched me i have ONLY FUCKING VOTED FOR MAFIA ALL FUCKING GAME).

On March 21 2017 23:46 Onegu wrote:


This post fwiw.

Also I believe the back in forth with him about he knows what I know and I know he knows was him confirming it to me...

On March 22 2017 09:24 darthfoley wrote:


So how do you see the game

On March 22 2017 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
AMG who are your current scummers?

On March 22 2017 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos do you agree with disformation's points on AMG?

On March 22 2017 20:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why not Xatalos?

On March 22 2017 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But there is 2 mafia left.

On March 22 2017 20:44 Koshi wrote:

What is your proof? Except meta from a game you once played. Cuz that is fucking shit.

On March 22 2017 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But you just said "AMG even pushed against Eden lynch" which has been your main reason for scumreading hi -> try to save Eden. And you agree with disformation in "AMG didnt really look like he was trying to get his scumread lynched".

Those two are 100% mutually exclusive.

On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:


I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway.

It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK.

I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking.

On March 22 2017 21:23 Calix wrote:
AMG defending Eden so much isn't necessarily scum-indicative but the fact that he's yet to do any real scum-hunting in the 40-odd hours he's been in the game is concerning.

On March 23 2017 08:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i take back what i said about the cop claim. Cop doesn't need to claim but that only is true if people believe i am town, otherwise it's just terrible not to claim.

On March 24 2017 06:24 Tumblewood wrote:
hi, not cop

On March 24 2017 09:39 darthfoley wrote:


No. I checked Calix N1 after the Malongo mislynch

On March 23 2017 22:21 Onegu wrote:



Ohhh story. Hrrm give me a sec to wake up

On March 24 2017 14:28 Xatalos wrote:


Have we played together?

On March 24 2017 15:39 Xatalos wrote:


The ritoky kill happened before you went ham on me though >.> but whatever..

On March 25 2017 07:15 Tumblewood wrote:
why does anyone think amg is actually a possibility

On March 21 2017 13:52 Tumblewood wrote:

that one is a feels read. just today I found myself saying "hey, that's a good post" a lot. much better than his d1
(and for most of today I have only been able to play for a couple minutes at a time. btw you are way cooler than afk!rels ever was and strong enough to town)

On March 25 2017 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe I could just go with the "never wrong on TvT arguments" theory and lynch amg and damdred. seems like a mighty easy play

On March 25 2017 21:37 Xatalos wrote:
Such a WTF game all around

On March 25 2017 21:01 Koshi wrote:
I have no minute to spare today. This game is pretty disgusting. First time in I think 8 months or so I have no clue. AMG is mafia, kuddos to the other person outplaying me.

But I really have no minute to spare atm. Not a second.

On March 26 2017 15:45 Tumblewood wrote:

we can lynch down a list of the list is 3 people. if the scumteam is within those 3 we win and if it's not we lose, no matter what order we go
and I said in that order because I think Damdred has the best chance of proving his towniness for sure given some extra days, and also the best chance of being town.
since I did the association thing I have eliminated a few pairs involving disfo/damdred but looking at their filters is like reading the tax code

On March 26 2017 16:42 Tumblewood wrote:
words, as intended: guys I think we win if we do this. (so let's do it)
words, as interpreted by amg: ahhh, made a list. now I can kick back, relax, and change nothing ever

if you disagree with the list that's one thing, but stop arguing over the very idea of a list

On March 26 2017 14:47 Tumblewood wrote:
since we have 3 lynches to hit 2 scum, we lynch amg, disfo, damdred, in that order. if xata and koshi are town (most likely pair imo) then we win. if we wrote off one of those two too early we lose, but that's a chance we have to take

On March 26 2017 15:45 Tumblewood wrote:
we can lynch down a list of the list is 3 people. if the scumteam is within those 3 we win and if it's not we lose, no matter what order we go

On March 26 2017 22:35 Koshi wrote:
So for me atm it is AMG/Damdred.

Who is cleared to most out of Damred/disformation by Eden? For me it is disformation.
Who has looked the best out of Damred/disformation? I would say Damdred?
Who contributed the most out of Damred/disformation? pffff Disformation I guess...

I want to figure out disformation/Damdred today.

On March 26 2017 22:57 Koshi wrote:
btw, I left that opening to discuss on "purpose" btw. I knew that it looked odd. Now explain to me. Why does it make me mafia?

On March 26 2017 23:26 Koshi wrote:

Don't understand why you are so combatant. Just makes me want to vote you and fuck off. Why are you so sure Damdred is not mafia?

On March 26 2017 23:25 disformation wrote:
aight. amg, if you are not scum, who is scum?
do you think tw's line plan makes him scum?
do you think koshi is scum for his current push?

On March 26 2017 22:32 Koshi wrote:
I'll make a quick why is Koshi town post:

First of, I don't think I can be blamed at all for the Xatalos vote, at least not in a way it was to "save" Eden. I had Xata as town day 2 for good reasons first, I even made a town case, but then somebody asked me to read some more pages and I read 3 and I pointed out all reasons why he was mafia over town, and I think it is very obvious where I switched my read on Xatalos, but I stayed on Eden because he was very likely mafia.

Secondly, why am I so "wrong" this game? I am not really... I just have had 2 times 48 hours in which I couldn't play. So the Malongo lynch kinda happened in the first period, in which I just wanted to pressure the worst posting "afker", after that people jumped on that train. Looking at it, it was disformation and Damdred that made that lynch happen. Both possible mafia btw. The Eden lynch I never ever opposed. I just made myself look bad going to Xatalos. And then yesterday I was one of the few who actually tried to get Onegu play and make him do stuff. If it was only up to me, I might have not even lynched him and lynched AMG. But I couldn't not park my vote on a 100% Onegu lynch that was potentially mafia.

Which brings us to today. Pure gut.
##vote Damdred
When I think Damdred I think Eden cleared him. That's it. That's bad.

On March 27 2017 21:56 Koshi wrote:

Bad vote. He is not mafia.

On March 27 2017 21:58 Koshi wrote:
Why has Xatalos been jumpy to get off the AMG wagon? I don't understand it from his filter. Why?

On March 27 2017 22:05 Koshi wrote:

Who else were you going to vote after you called Eden 100% town. And you didn't bother at all getting Xatalos lynched. You just voted him.

Again. Why is Damdred town?

On March 28 2017 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I really really don't understand why people ignore all the townie things AMG + Damdred have done and even if they think they are not townie they can't come up with something reasonable in "this is how it makes sense as mafia", they just take some other things and argue it makes people mafia. And no, being "disinterested" as in not posting much is not why someone is mafia. Like people are fucking arguing AMG is mafia because he "hard-defended Eden" and then also mafia because "he hasn't done anything in this game". Like what the fuck? Thsoe things are 100% mutually exclusive. Especially Koshi is trying to have it both ways.

On March 28 2017 06:26 Damdred wrote:
Tw post feels off because he's mad koshi I getting looked at and to a lesser extent him.

When one of his scumreads is in fact getting lynched.

Makes 0 sense.

On March 28 2017 06:52 Damdred wrote:
I hope you are right rayn but I don't think so

On March 29 2017 06:07 Damdred wrote:
Yeah only way to really get past today. But let's not just afk it ignore koshi I guess and search.

AMG, when the vote got so tight why didn't you go back to rayn? Or when he said he wasn't sswitching why did you stay?

Disformation and xata can you both explain your progression on your Eden read?

On March 29 2017 07:02 Damdred wrote:


Could you explain your koshi read yesterday and the progression that led you to that conclussion? And talk me through the day we lynched onegu and your thought process?

On March 22 2017 20:44 Koshi wrote:

What is your proof? Except meta from a game you once played. Cuz that is fucking shit.

On March 22 2017 20:55 Koshi wrote:

You forgot the proof.

On March 26 2017 22:32 Koshi wrote:
I'll make a quick why is Koshi town post:

First of, I don't think I can be blamed at all for the Xatalos vote, at least not in a way it was to "save" Eden. I had Xata as town day 2 for good reasons first, I even made a town case, but then somebody asked me to read some more pages and I read 3 and I pointed out all reasons why he was mafia over town, and I think it is very obvious where I switched my read on Xatalos, but I stayed on Eden because he was very likely mafia.

Secondly, why am I so "wrong" this game? I am not really... I just have had 2 times 48 hours in which I couldn't play. So the Malongo lynch kinda happened in the first period, in which I just wanted to pressure the worst posting "afker", after that people jumped on that train. Looking at it, it was disformation and Damdred that made that lynch happen. Both possible mafia btw. The Eden lynch I never ever opposed. I just made myself look bad going to Xatalos. And then yesterday I was one of the few who actually tried to get Onegu play and make him do stuff. If it was only up to me, I might have not even lynched him and lynched AMG. But I couldn't not park my vote on a 100% Onegu lynch that was potentially mafia.

Which brings us to today. Pure gut.
##vote Damdred
When I think Damdred I think Eden cleared him. That's it. That's bad.

On March 26 2017 14:47 Tumblewood wrote:
since thread is dead I will post my plan of action and you can yell at me if you want
since we have 3 lynches to hit 2 scum, we lynch amg, disfo, damdred, in that order. if xata and koshi are town (most likely pair imo) then we win. if we wrote off one of those two too early we lose, but that's a chance we have to take

On March 29 2017 07:48 Damdred wrote:
Also at one point (I think it's around the onegu lynch or after slightly ) I remember you being frustrated koshi thought you were scum.

You stated that koshi was wrong so there must be two people outplaying him.

It seems you were still slightly townreading him (at least). So what led from the frustration on koshi to outright scum read when you were in a pretty decent amount of people's poe? Especially when koshi is a known shit thrower to an extent?

On March 29 2017 10:11 Damdred wrote:
I know but in lylo if koshibflips scum (I think so) we need to discuss this thing with as many alive as we can in case it's me xata disf and really xata halfway lazy today to meh.

On March 29 2017 17:12 disformation wrote:

would you kindly go fuck yourself?

On March 31 2017 00:59 Damdred wrote:
yeah it is.

I just still find it hard that scum!Koshi would out scum!Disformation in the way that he did by "saving" him over tumble.

It makes no sense to me especially since Koshi outside (a couple) people was pretty townread still.

So basically what happens is he pushes us to lylo, dies and then we have most of the game thinking his partner is disf and migth afk a lynch last day.

It just doesn't seem right. Though disf afking looks kinda bad to meh