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On March 22 2017 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:33 Xatalos wrote:
Kind of felt similar to me though. Similarly done to sway the lynch situation to his favor for a short-term gain? LOL Oh god this is so fucking terrible. EVEN COMPARING Guardinas game to ANY other game i have EVER played is trashhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... :D
Your existence is trash.
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On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town.
And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally?
And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here.
Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc.
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On March 21 2017 23:52 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos being blue makes no sense with how he read rayn. How he talked about an all VT set up etc... He would have focussed more on a counterclaim and not tried to get rayn lynched with "logic"
+1.
I'm on page 89 but Xatalos actions make no sense from a blue perspective or a real JK trying to throw shade on a scum claiming
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On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc.
I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway.
It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK.
I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking.
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On March 22 2017 01:08 Xatalos wrote:
Question: why would he be so FUCKING DESPERATE as town to waste away his JK role for having a couple of votes on himself at D2 start? How does town come to that conclusion? I never would. And I haven't seen him do that before either. He does like risky gambles though, and fake claiming would be just his style.
The thing is he fake claims much more as town.
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I mean, the game is so different in any way of my games ever. Scum or town. I was completely tiltted from the first second of that game when the first posts in the thread are all my scumbuddies bussing the fuck out of each other and noone has said anything in scum Qt...
If you just look at my posting there, for a one fucking second you will see it has nothing to do with any game of mafia ever because i was just spouting shit out of my mouth with nothing at all.. Except for calling all my scumbuddies scum jsut because .... Claiming because why not... then i just replaced out because of the XXX game end as i was so fucking burned out as i tried so hard and got lynched for being not scummy but fucking blabla something else..
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On March 22 2017 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:30 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 01:24 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 01:08 Xatalos wrote:
Question: why would he be so FUCKING DESPERATE as town to waste away his JK role for having a couple of votes on himself at D2 start? How does town come to that conclusion? I never would. And I haven't seen him do that before either. He does like risky gambles though, and fake claiming would be just his style. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439578-extractor-trick-mini-mafia?user=raynpelikoneet/dunked OK, seems like you have. Not sure how much of that game state transfers to this one, since it seemed to be more blue-focused and a smaller game, but at least you have. How many times have you fakeclaimed though?  6 times in one game as town. kk Lynched all the scum though, except for onegu because sno_man is a terrible player and we had to consolidate on him in lylo with yamato. Onegu almost shot me AFTER lylo when he thought i might be SK. 
Such a good game
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On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking.
So you think i am mafia but you're okay with being lynched?
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On March 22 2017 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking. So you think i am mafia but you're okay with being lynched?
I think you have about 30% chance of being scum. Eden is maybe 80% and DF 60%. But this EOD will tell a lot.
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On March 22 2017 01:44 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 01:30 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 01:24 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 01:08 Xatalos wrote:
Question: why would he be so FUCKING DESPERATE as town to waste away his JK role for having a couple of votes on himself at D2 start? How does town come to that conclusion? I never would. And I haven't seen him do that before either. He does like risky gambles though, and fake claiming would be just his style. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439578-extractor-trick-mini-mafia?user=raynpelikoneet/dunked OK, seems like you have. Not sure how much of that game state transfers to this one, since it seemed to be more blue-focused and a smaller game, but at least you have. How many times have you fakeclaimed though? 6 times in one game as town. kk Lynched all the scum though, except for onegu because sno_man is a terrible player and we had to consolidate on him in lylo with yamato. Onegu almost shot me AFTER lylo when he thought i might be SK. Such a good game
Yes, i correctly identified marv (who was like mafia god at that time) as mafia roleblocker over a CONFIRMED mafia and fucking yelled Hapa to lynch him for like fucking 1902738 hours. <3
So good, and then snodude ruined it all. 
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On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking.
i will listen to your theories tonight if you make it, now if you are town You need to find the other two scum.
You haven't really been convinced by eden being scum most of the game it seems, why?
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On March 22 2017 01:46 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking. So you think i am mafia but you're okay with being lynched? I think you have about 30% chance of being scum. Eden is maybe 80% and DF 60%. But this EOD will tell a lot.
No Xatalos. Who is mafia and why. No percentages. No bullshit.
Who is mafia and why?
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On March 22 2017 01:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking. i will listen to your theories tonight if you make it, now if you are town You need to find the other two scum. You haven't really been convinced by eden being scum most of the game it seems, why?
I sort of liked his start. He started strong with a case on Calix, a showy target, with a half-decent case. Then he just... slowly faded away and did less and less of anything meaningful. Felt like he thought it would be better to stay out of sight, out of mind, even though he posted here and there. And his last post was awful before he went into AFK mode. Now his long AFK streak is more indicative of scum since he was more or less a dead man walking with his last post and the NK. Probably better for him to shut up than make things worse for the scumteam.
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On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. Shows guilt Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth. Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote:
Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by. So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn. Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you?
Building off of what Koshi said, I find the wording of the first and last sentence to be very hedging and scummy, which is ironically what Xata started to say about me yesterday iirc.
The whole "Eden's reasoning made sense to me and I liked it but it doesn't mean I think your scum" just seems to walk the line a little too delicately.
Secondly, the last sentence just seems off. "Because you're active, I won't pursue the matter" ...? Compare that to what rayn said (which is partly why I TR him early)
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Oh and i don't care about people being pro-active or not. I care about being right and lynching mafia.
It is really easy for mafia to appear active and contributing, especially D1, latching on to simply AFK people. Agree with Koshi with his last question
also show the nested quote before koshi's bolded part to see what i'm referring to
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On March 22 2017 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:46 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking. So you think i am mafia but you're okay with being lynched? I think you have about 30% chance of being scum. Eden is maybe 80% and DF 60%. But this EOD will tell a lot. No Xatalos. Who is mafia and why. No percentages. No bullshit. Who is mafia and why?
Eden almost certainly. DF is also a strong candidate due to POE and less than impressive posts / ever weaker impact on the thread as the game went on. Rest is in you/AMG/Onegu probably.
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POE. Haven't seen anything extremely bad or good about him so far.
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On March 22 2017 01:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 01:46 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking. So you think i am mafia but you're okay with being lynched? I think you have about 30% chance of being scum. Eden is maybe 80% and DF 60%. But this EOD will tell a lot. No Xatalos. Who is mafia and why. No percentages. No bullshit. Who is mafia and why? Eden almost certainly. DF is also a strong candidate due to POE and less than impressive posts / ever weaker impact on the thread as the game went on. Rest is in you/AMG/Onegu probably.
Why AMG?
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Even Tumble and disfo have made me think they could be town lately.
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