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On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out. Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout.
Why would he do it as mafia?
Why ask this question?
And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you?
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On March 22 2017 00:58 Calix wrote:
Koshi, question. What convinced you about Xatalos? You say you don't believe he is scum then you make that wall post. And that would be fine by itself. But then you post from Xat pg 11 (?) and say "either town or mafia riding my ass" which sounds like a town read (?) and then you vote. I don't understand the full thought process.
No. He is town for sharing my thought process or mafia trying to steer me in the wrong direction by parroting me.
Which he also did with Eden when he scumread you. Go read my third post.
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I don't understand. I gave 1 big post on why Xatalos is town. I made 3 posts why he is mafia. Why do you solely focus on the town post?
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Explain to me why my 3 posts were incorrect?
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On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out. Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout. Why would he do it as mafia? Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you?
Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical.
As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down.
As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me.
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On March 22 2017 01:02 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out. Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout. Why would he do it as mafia? Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you? Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical. As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down. As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me.
You were never my top town. You were lock town. Now you are lock mafia.
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On March 22 2017 01:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out. Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout. Why would he do it as mafia? Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you? Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical. As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down. As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me. You were never my top town. You were lock town. Now you are lock mafia.
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On March 22 2017 01:02 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out. Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout. Why would he do it as mafia? Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you? Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical. As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down. As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me.
I already explained to you that there is no way rayn fucking fakeclaims to save his partner Eden. This is not fucking lylo and he can ALWAYS be counter to be CONFIRMED mafia.
Why would he be THIS FUCKING DESPERATE AS MAFIA?
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On March 21 2017 23:19 Koshi wrote:
Looking at that again those 3 names are really bad. Eden as placeholder / disformation is the same as malongo / and AMG hasn't done anything and is null
How are that your 3 biggest scumreads on D2 Xatalos?
That's just the result of POE/sheeping while I was at work. As soon as I got home, I started filter-diving and my reads changed significantly.
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On March 22 2017 01:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:02 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:58 Koshi wrote:On March 22 2017 00:56 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out. Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout. Why would he do it as mafia? Why ask this question? And why are you ignoring my 3 posts I made on you? Sorry, I was keeping up with the thread on my phone in short bursts earlier. Didn't read your posts in detail. I'll get to them eventually. Could you maybe summarize your case? Because like a couple of pages ago I was your top town, now top scum. The change is really radical. As scum his actions would make a lot of sense. Gain some credibility by fakeclaiming (especially in a vanilla setup), direct the lynch away from himself/Eden, maybe get 1-2 mislynches before getting caught. If it's not a vanilla setup, he could alternatively catch the blues before going down. As town..... just why would he abandon his crucial role with ease and even want people to vote for him vs me? As scum he would certainly want that, since it'd be easier to win him vs me than Eden vs me. I already explained to you that there is no way rayn fucking fakeclaims to save his partner Eden. This is not fucking lylo and he can ALWAYS be counter to be CONFIRMED mafia. Why would he be THIS FUCKING DESPERATE AS MAFIA?
Well in the vanilla setup it would make perfect sense. The situation was pretty desperate with scum vs scum wagons (assuming they're both scum).
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On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. Shows guilt Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth. Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote:
Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by. So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn. Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you?
This? I do not know how I missed it the first time -.-
I agree that point 1 is weird because him being a top town of Eden's should not affect his liking the case. That stood out to me too but I am biased because it was a case against me. I do not think point 2 is meaningful. I also agree on point 3 that he is hiding behind me. He town read Tweedledumb because I really believed Tweedledumb is town. Which was weird and I did not like it. And obviously I agree on the last part as I tried talking on that already.
So yes, I see your thought process and it is decent as a case. And I will try to filter Xatalos with this in mind. I still think he's town for meta. But maybe I am giving him too much slack by doing that. So I will try to ignore that. I am trying to fix my computer so if I succeed then I will read his filter then.
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Like.. If there is no other blue role in this game we get 2 free mafia with this claim. Why the fuck would he do that?????????
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Question: why would he be so FUCKING DESPERATE as town to waste away his JK role for having a couple of votes on himself at D2 start? How does town come to that conclusion? I never would. And I haven't seen him do that before either. He does like risky gambles though, and fake claiming would be just his style.
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On March 22 2017 01:07 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote:On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. Shows guilt On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth. On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote:
Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by. So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn. On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you? This? I do not know how I missed it the first time -.- I agree that point 1 is weird because him being a top town of Eden's should not affect his liking the case. That stood out to me too but I am biased because it was a case against me. I do not think point 2 is meaningful. I also agree on point 3 that he is hiding behind me. He town read Tweedledumb because I really believed Tweedledumb is town. Which was weird and I did not like it. And obviously I agree on the last part as I tried talking on that already. So yes, I see your thought process and it is decent as a case. And I will try to filter Xatalos with this in mind. I still think he's town for meta. But maybe I am giving him too much slack by doing that. So I will try to ignore that. I am trying to fix my computer so if I succeed then I will read his filter then.
Not sure how being glad that someone spoke positively of me is "showing guilt". I would consider it a minimum standard for being a solid town to listen to (if someone is scumreading me in this game, he's either scum or bad, so not someone to really listen to...). It's not the whole truth in itself, but I've rarely been scumread by town as town in recent games. Meanwhile if I was having a bad D1, scum usually jumped on me.
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Well, that's a simplistic way to put it. But in any case, it's at least a slight positive to townread me, especially for a decent reason.
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It can be a different story if it's a random townread thrown at me like candy. Those are decently likely to come from scum.
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On March 22 2017 01:08 Xatalos wrote:
Question: why would he be so FUCKING DESPERATE as town to waste away his JK role for having a couple of votes on himself at D2 start? How does town come to that conclusion? I never would. And I haven't seen him do that before either. He does like risky gambles though, and fake claiming would be just his style.
Well it makes sense sorta as town, he gets all pressure off of him so eh can do what he wants.
Town can focus on finding real mafia and focus on other wagons. Besides Ritoky and a couple others Rayn was on everyones scum list. And a claim at eod is a lot more risky and likely to be counter claimed. Also Rayns timing for the claim was really towny.
Town has plenty of time to discuss it and people have enough time to CC and we can weight in on it.
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I have claimed parity cop at the start of D1 as a parity cop so dunked.
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Also i'm not sure if I would call it desperate claim either.
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