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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 21 2017 15:34 GMT
#1821
And yes I am tilted. I can't even keep up with the thread because of this stupid phone -.-
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 15:34 GMT
#1822
On March 20 2017 04:56 Calix wrote:
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On March 20 2017 04:48 Xatalos wrote:
Maybe it'll do good to distance myself from this mess a bit. At the moment I have a significantly stronger scumlean on rayn than before N1 started though. Every time rayn has scumread me for stupid reasons like that EOD thing, he's been scum so far.. I guess we've fought our fair share as town vs town too, but then it's usually been because I made some sort of huge blunder, not because he's trying to fling random small points against me. That's only happened with scum rayn.

Note also how he's scumread me pretty much all game, only with shifting (weak) reasons.

Well, AFK for a while now... If I happen to die, keep a close eye on rayn.


You should probably lay off the meta reads. Correct me if I am wrong but you two haven't played together since...2014? 2015? Your meta tells are probably outdated if I'm right.

I'm starting to think that the townie-looking people who aren't really DOING anything are more likely to be mafia.

disformation. Can anyone tell me what he is doing? Because I can't remember a single thing he's done outside of the early game. His VCA posts are a more boring version of my own take on the votes. It didn't feel like his analysis was very insightful.

Koshi. Again, nice filter but hasn't done a lot. Not so sure on this one, could just be busy for 92 hours like he said.

ritoky. Lots of debate-orientated points in his posts to DF which are great theoretically but don't mean anything for his alignment. Has the Eden post, however.

Rels/ Onegu. I think Rels is more likely to be scum here, just because I don't spot any incongruencies with Onegu's current posting.

Eden does not actually fit into this heuristic. He has those forceful posts on me going for him. Will have to see his response to the current events though.

She has read me town allllll the way up until here. Then comes this:
On March 20 2017 06:22 Calix wrote:
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On March 20 2017 06:21 Xatalos wrote:
Notable also that rayn's suspect list stayed the through the whole D1 (me/Damdred/Malongo). Even now it's mostly the same, after Malongo flipped town.


This is actually a good point. And you didn't even need meta for that

And hey, suddenly after:
On March 20 2017 07:05 Calix wrote:
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On March 20 2017 07:03 Xatalos wrote:
I wouldn't be against having rayn vs Eden wagons today. Wouldn't even surprise me if they're both scum.


I'm not super-convinced here but two wagons is always a good idea so I'll help with this endeavour.

On March 20 2017 07:09 Calix wrote:
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On March 20 2017 07:06 Damdred wrote:
Who is scum calix?


Three of Eden, disformation, Onegu, Rels and as of late, rayn. You and Koshi are also possible but not a priority by any means and Koshi's latest posts were decent.

Kinda POE since I think I have decent reasons for town-reading everyone else.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 15:39 GMT
#1823
I will rephrase my question.
Why THE FUCK did you scumread me Calix, if not for that?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 15:39 GMT
#1824
(Note that this is intended to be a question where there is no right answer)
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 15:42 GMT
#1825
If Eden is mafia Calix is always mafia.
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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 21 2017 15:42 GMT
#1826
Are you fucking stupid, rayn? I literally say in those quotes that I voted because of sheeping and wagon stuff and then made a post where you were POE because everyone else is townier? That is not a scum read still and you will never find evidence proving otherwise because none exists.

Literally have been incredibly townie the entire game and you scum-read me for the dumbest shit that doesn't show mafia agenda in the slightest. Bad bad bad bad bad.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 15:44 GMT
#1827
On March 22 2017 00:42 Calix wrote:
Are you fucking stupid, rayn? I literally say in those quotes that I voted because of sheeping and wagon stuff and then made a post where you were POE because everyone else is townier? That is not a scum read still and you will never find evidence proving otherwise because none exists.

Literally have been incredibly townie the entire game and you scum-read me for the dumbest shit that doesn't show mafia agenda in the slightest. Bad bad bad bad bad.


rayn this game in a nutshell
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 15:45 GMT
#1828
On March 22 2017 00:42 Calix wrote:
Are you fucking stupid, rayn? I literally say in those quotes that I voted because of sheeping and wagon stuff and then made a post where you were POE because everyone else is townier? That is not a scum read still and you will never find evidence proving otherwise because none exists.

Literally have been incredibly townie the entire game and you scum-read me for the dumbest shit that doesn't show mafia agenda in the slightest. Bad bad bad bad bad.

Boo-hoo-hoo.
No. It is a scumread because you literally defended me just before and pointed out those you "POE'd townier" as more scummy just fucking hours ago. So what happened between there if not the most obvious Xatalos post you agreed with?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 15:45 GMT
#1829
On March 22 2017 00:44 Xatalos wrote:
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On March 22 2017 00:42 Calix wrote:
Are you fucking stupid, rayn? I literally say in those quotes that I voted because of sheeping and wagon stuff and then made a post where you were POE because everyone else is townier? That is not a scum read still and you will never find evidence proving otherwise because none exists.

Literally have been incredibly townie the entire game and you scum-read me for the dumbest shit that doesn't show mafia agenda in the slightest. Bad bad bad bad bad.


rayn this game in a nutshell

Fuck you scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 15:47 GMT
#1830
Wait no not only that, you dumped all your scumreads for "townie-looking reads who haven't done a lot" ..... :o :o :o
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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 21 2017 15:48 GMT
#1831
On March 22 2017 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On March 22 2017 00:44 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:42 Calix wrote:
Are you fucking stupid, rayn? I literally say in those quotes that I voted because of sheeping and wagon stuff and then made a post where you were POE because everyone else is townier? That is not a scum read still and you will never find evidence proving otherwise because none exists.

Literally have been incredibly townie the entire game and you scum-read me for the dumbest shit that doesn't show mafia agenda in the slightest. Bad bad bad bad bad.


rayn this game in a nutshell

Fuck you scum.


Boo hoo hoo your scum read is shit. Keep crying but it is never going to result in my lynch in any world. Ignored.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 15:51 GMT
#1832
Jesus, they are both scum. Now who is the third. Can it be Eden?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 15:52 GMT
#1833
Now that I'm back at a place where I can comfortably use the internet.

Gotta mention something that caught my attention earlier. I thought I wouldn't say it for now, but I guess I will.

When Eden was almost the assured lynch, it irked me how it looked like rayn was setting me up as scum if/when Eden flipped scum:

On March 21 2017 12:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because if Eden is mafia there is nothing mafia can do about this lynch. Xatalos is smart enough to not fight it too much (while he tried at the start of the day already regardless of what he says). And all things considered Eden looks like mafia.


When I became a realistic option, I'm down from top scum to bad town suddenly... As if preparing for my town flip. Not sure if on purpose or subconsciously, but it's an odd switch. Before this moment, where the momentum was for me to die, rayn never made posts like this..

On March 22 2017 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On March 22 2017 00:14 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 21 2017 23:58 Xatalos wrote:
The problem with focusing purely on logical arguments is that it's not an accurate approach. Town can often be illogical as well. Maybe even more so since scum are more careful not to "slip".

Let's assume you're town for a minute, rayn. Remember the Resistance game where you were town and I was scum? I was quite logical, constructive and widely townread (especially by you). You focused a lot on a couple of people like HTS who made bad arguments, even if they weren't overall really scummy (at least in my opinion).

So take Damdred for example. You've claimed that he hasn't been "smart" enough and that his question at the start didn't make sense. Even if both of those were true, neither make him scum (for the record, I agree that his question didn't make much sense, but it was just something of a discussion starter, and I think he's made several "smart" observations). Now a better reason might be something like that he's been a bit detached from both lynches. Even so, he's been posting a lot and clearly thinking about the game in terms of solving it. I'm willing to forgive some detachment for that. Especially since both Malongo and Eden have been pretty lurky and unexciting targets.

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I'm pushing my mental stamina not to mention a couple of new things I thought about rayn... it's not really relevant now anyway, and we'll know a lot more as time passed.

Your problem here is mistaking what mafia knows and what mafia doesn't know. If you know Damdred is town in this game then you also know he isn't being "unsmart" or anything i claim, jsut as you knew HTS was not "really scummy". In this game however you have presented multiple arguments for me being mafia that have absolutely nothing to do with me being mafia, in fact they make me most likely town considering my earlier games. Then you, even after conceding i can be town, follow up with trashing on everything i say without even trying to interact with me. Yeah, you haven't done that earlier as mafia. But it doesn't make any sense and i don't see any fucking reason why you would do that as town. You got townread for it, i didn't. Maybe you just rolled with it, who the fuck knows. I don't, but i also don't know why you would EVER do that as town.


Even if you're not a good lynch, it doesn't mean your words are holy. Maybe I've become overly paranoid of you after being burned many times... but it's also a sign of respect, in a way, that I believe you could still be scum in this situation. There aren't many people I would believe could be (maybe HF?).

That also leads to the result that I take everything you say with a grain of salt. That's doubly so when I'm your top scum and your reads completely contradict mine. It's not easy to reach a mutual understanding from there.

So I'd rather ignore you to some extent and listen more closely to what clearer probable townies say.

No hard feelings.

You just made a post that said "i am bad at mafia if i am town this game".



On March 22 2017 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On March 22 2017 00:22 Xatalos wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 22 2017 00:18 Xatalos wrote:
That's not even a case, just a side-note. Besides you probably misunderstood it (on purpose or not). I just meant that your reads were a bit too unnaturally static until then, never even reconsidering with new info, just repeating old points.

It doesnt matter what it is, it matter Calix' filter says she scumread me for it so why don't you scumread her then for a shit read?


I don't think Calix put you to scum based on that note. She just said it was better than my pre-flip stuff I was talking previously.

Here is exactly what is fucking wrong with you in this game.....


Yeah... just had to point that out on the off-chance I do die. rayn is not a good lynch now so ignore it for the time being.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 15:52 GMT
#1834
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 15:54 GMT
#1835
Koshi you know this is true.
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Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 21 2017 15:55 GMT
#1836
No Calix can never be mafia rayn.
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 21 2017 15:55 GMT
#1837
On March 22 2017 00:55 Koshi wrote:
No Calix can never be mafia rayn.

incorrect.
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 15:56 GMT
#1838
On March 22 2017 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Both vote for me instead of Eden. I need a couple of hours to figure this shit out.


Why in the name of all that is holy would you risk your own life as JK? Or claim in the first place, if I might ask? I would never do either of those actions as a blue, and you're very willing to abandon your role usage for some thread clout.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 21 2017 15:57 GMT
#1839
urgh.... deep down I don't believe rayn is actually a blue, but since there is no CC, we have to consider the worst case scenario. Life sucks.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
March 21 2017 15:58 GMT
#1840
Koshi, question. What convinced you about Xatalos? You say you don't believe he is scum then you make that wall post. And that would be fine by itself. But then you post from Xat pg 11 (?) and say "either town or mafia riding my ass" which sounds like a town read (?) and then you vote. I don't understand the full thought process.
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