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On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. Show nested quote +On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read?
Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already.
The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on.
Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it.
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On March 19 2017 01:12 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 01:02 Damdred wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Yeah, a lot of what Eden did content wise was a rehash that made him look more active,while the answers were in thread already. The time was more accusatory rather than inquisitive and his case felt more like throw everything I can and we what sticks people run on. Then throws a vote down without really a ton I interaction a lot of the other reads are easily escapable from not really firm. And hasn't done much since, and doesn't really seem to care about pushing to case even right after he made it. Sure, Eden's posts didn't consider my later interactions with disformation or anything else I've done but that's not necessarily AI if he just found my early play scummy. I don't think Eden 'not doing much since there' means anything. He clearly put a sizable amount of effort into the posts he did make (outside of the bullshit claim stuff). In fact, all these 'well people haven't done much' posts don't mean a great deal right now. It's D1. If someone was amazing on D1 and then tanked overnight then using this sort of logic would make more sense but right now? Nah. Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. I have explained that already. I found disformation stuck out compared to everyone else because of his tone and voted him based on that. Given that it got shit going, I have no regrets there  I was actually AFK while all of that shit over disformation was going down yesterday but you wouldn't have known that. I said on several occasions that I would reconsider disformation if he started contributing on his own terms, which he did, so I unvoted when I got back. No point in hounding him much more at that point since it would just distract him if he is town, you know?
Let me rephrase, the not doing anything.
Eden isn't being proactive in how he reads the thread and just cares about how he looks like I is doing somrthing. He throws his vote down without any real interaction towards others in the thread that could away the vote towards his target.
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On March 19 2017 01:30 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 00:41 Damdred wrote:
Like I have only problems with df on this wagon.
1) Comes into the thread and blasts calix early and never really retracts from that. But is voting with 2/3 of his scum reads on his other scum read without really questioning the validity of the wagon I the people on the wagon.
2) Has very little talking points on mal in his filter that would indicate a scum read. I'm fact it seems likely basis for the read is actually rayns read. (Just as an aside I kinda said the same things about mal right after he posted but df kinda ignores this and scum reads me but puts rayn super high in his town list. I know he scum reads me for cordial interactions with calix which isbadreasoning but meh).
3) In his filter calix is his biggest read but just sheep's rayn instead of trying to push his read.
Like idk just kind of a weird filter and his vote on mal seems a bit... opportunistic at this point. I was the first person to vote on Malongo, and that was more of a placeholder vote until the game progressed. Believe me, I am well aware of who is voting on this wagon. I also had my own reasoning for voting for Malongo, not just rayn's. Explain to me how being the first vote on someone i've cased (albeit a small case, because his filter is small) is opportunistic. Actually, you only having problems with me on this wagon is scummy as fuck considering the circumstances
How I it scummy as fuck, when I have documented town reads on the people on wagon?
It's opportunistic because it follows directly after you agree with rayns point about mal, it much just v bad timing on your part sonit doesn't come across as a placeholder.
And saying you cases someone and that's most of why you votes them doesn't jive with the placeholder theory.
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@df listen you kind I avoided the question I asked. How is me saying I jab problems with things in your filter and showing what they are scummy? Should I not look at people whos on the same wagon as me filters, especially when ibjust say the no push back on the wagon is suspicious?
As for your points, I don't think"ninja" votes that occur roughly 24 hours before lynch are necessarily damning. And unless they happen right as deadline hits kinda won think they are scummy in general.
You voting first doesn't really sway me one way or another I I just something that happens. (As an said it is interesting you only start talking about to the wagonmates aren't the best when I be in it up).
I'll break this into two posts days I forgot what ela there was lol
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Honestly though as an aside df fuck you attitude coupeled with the confidence of the you can push this point but it won't be you anywhere jazz has me thinking it just comes from a town perspective.
Hmmmm I kinda like that.
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On March 19 2017 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 03:32 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:EBWOP: 1) The Damdred part is very weak. First of all, it's a bit too much to say that Eden's opening was obviously 100% NAI. In addition, even if it was 100% NAI, it's not a scummy thing to ask people for opinions on a sudden "big event". Their reaction could be possibly more significant than the event itself. Especially if there isn't much else to talk about yet. What you are debunking here i am not arguing is something that makes Damdred mafia so all you have said is you don't understand my case. 2) On second thoughts, the Malongo part isn't that bad. Just not strong/convincing. debunked? Please explain your Damdred case better then. I went on to be more critical of your Malongo case later on. I can find that post for you if you want.... Damdred had an opinion of the Eden opening being NAI. Then he asked disformation something about it, when where every answer disformation can give leads to the same thing -> "scummy Damdred already thought "Eden's opener is NAI" (which is what he said), he also though "dismormation thinks something about it" which means whatever disformation says he thinks of it SHOULD lead to same conclusion for Damdred. - bad town ("no, it's NAI") - scum ("no it's NAI") - NAI ("but you already implied it means something?????") Basically he should have a conclusion (whatever one) even before the question (and answer). The question cannot help you figure out disformation's alignment better so the only reason for the question is to be active and talk about something completely useless. Like if i asked you "Xatalos do you prefer ice cream or ketchup better?" and implied "this is totally something that helps me figuring out your alignment" what would you think? Totes reasonable?
This isn't necessarily true because I his quotations around what xata said. I really thought xata as that before i looked and asked the question before I went back and xhecked.
Hence the start I the miscommunication between xata/damd/cal/disf
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On March 19 2017 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 03:32 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 03:33 Xatalos wrote:On March 17 2017 10:18 Malongo wrote:On March 17 2017 10:06 darthfoley wrote:
Oh! Also don't like Malongo I think we are in the same team tbh. You quote still sucks anyways. My general read is pretty weak at this point. I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy. So I propose lynching Ryan. Not that I find him specially scummy but I don´t want to play with a troll for a second time. ##ryanpelikoneetEverything else es just nonsense for me at this point. rayn, you said that your suspicion of Malongo was based on this post and how he did these.... - There is no reason to call Darthfoley town just because he is calling Malongo mafia - There is no reason to assume disformation and Damdred are town just because there are people voting for them 1) The way I read it, Malongo said that foley was town DESPITE calling him scum, not the other way around. How did you come to that conclusion? How does that even make sense? 2) Malongo didn't even say that they're town, just that he'd prefer to get alternative voting action? All in all, it's just so.... weak. Almost as weak as the reads on Damdred/me. Is this really the best you got to push with apparent confidence? If someone says this: Show nested quote +I don´t like how fast Damdred and disformation are piling up ealry. I would rather find a third way because we may be making mafia life too easy. ...they literally have to think both of the wagons are town otherwise this in itself doesn't make any fucking sense at all. So there it is, you didn't really debunk anything.
Man It must v great to have these smart thoughts and say I haven't had anything smart to say...
When I literally said this exact things (and some of the other things you said) before you did right after their posts.
And then youbwont even interact with me.
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I would so v willing to be lynched right now if rayn would apologize for ignoring me all game and calling all mybposts not smart when he has said exactly whatvi did multiple times.
Who I with me I'll even hammer myself.
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I don't get how I'm not saying smart things when rayn isbliterallyvrepeating what I say after I did about mal and picking up things about Eden and my scum read on him.
Holy shit and xata is agreeing with him and troops me to null. Is thisnliterally real fucking life.
At least df has a legit reason to come arte me sing I wan arte him and I was on his scum list.
Which btw df my reason for voting mal was calling me and disf town voting rayn without any real explanation. Which I said first.
I'm leaving because I can't even this thread right now.
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On March 19 2017 04:08 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2017 03:36 Damdred wrote:
@df listen you kind I avoided the question I asked. How is me saying I jab problems with things in your filter and showing what they are scummy? Should I not look at people whos on the same wagon as me filters, especially when ibjust say the no push back on the wagon is suspicious?
As for your points, I don't think"ninja" votes that occur roughly 24 hours before lynch are necessarily damning. And unless they happen right as deadline hits kinda won think they are scummy in general.
You voting first doesn't really sway me one way or another I I just something that happens. (As an said it is interesting you only start talking about to the wagonmates aren't the best when I be in it up).
I'll break this into two posts days I forgot what ela there was lol I'm not trying to be anal but there are a lot of autocorrect errors in this and so i'm not quite sure about your first point. What question did I ignore? Did anyone else point out your ninja vote until me? I can flip your shitty argument back around and ask you why you'd ninja vote on someone who was 1) cased by TWO of the people NOT in your town pile and 2) not explain why you're voting for him. At all. You claim that my vote on Mal is for very few reasons while you never provided any before voting for him. Forgive me if I find your pressure on me a little lackluster
Also forgot one, rayn was in my town pile you were in null.
You down answer why it was scummy for me to look at people on wagon and look at whybi dodnt like them.
Leaving now
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In case I go afk and people switch to me and lynch me.
Town:
Calix
disformation
Koshi
Df
Rayb
Xata
Maybe town
Tw
What did you do
rels
Ignore for
Deep
Scum
Mal
Eden
onegu
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Lynch feels a bit weird though, I hope mal is scum but idk just feels so quiet no fighting from scum team or anything meh
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That's true.
Not much to drive from it just a bit nervous about it tbh. Lol what would scum even defend for mal meh.
Like only really tt defended him so not sit about that I would probably expect scum to distance I just not talk about him.
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Then let's try to work us out df.
I think your town and I know I'm town so a need to come to some kind I understanding so we can work together the rest of the game.
Do you understand why I Pointe out what I did about your fikter?
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Like let's say mal flips scum. It brings up a stupid amount I questions.
Did he spew disf and myself town by declaring both our wagons town? I think this is a likely thing, even I it wasn't me I think I would say this.
Is his vote on rayn distancing? This is interesting thought but I kinda don't think so. Like if rayn was scum with mal he certainly won't get that much credo being off the wagon on a town wagon.
Did someone bus? I don't think so, I think the wagon is pretty oure.xata hopped on the last second, and I don't think this wagon gives cred either.
If hes town idk,
Both wagons town? Probably so, no real strong push prop just voted and really not much. If he is town mafia didn't care about the lynch.
Where at mafia? Probably one on I I the main wagons and the others spread out.
I kinda think it would be more interesting if he's town. Wii make twread be almost to good to be true...
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On March 18 2017 13:58 Tumblewood wrote:
okay great filter sesh!
where i am at
town, i think
calix
disfo
eden
malongo
dbs
koshi?
needs more examination but their filters were kinda long
rayn
damdred
xata
koshi?
bad
rels
onegu
scummy
df
Can you explain how you want from thisto willing to lynch mal
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How did he go from pretty high in your town list to plynch when you wanted to gov him time?
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Just gut feeling by tumble I having a really strange eod here.
Sorta pushing off mal while saying he will be ok with lynching him but having him high in his town list while saying he's a plynch now.
Then want I to make the vote me v rayn. Makes no sense.
Show weird eod
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It why it was even a conundrum with two of your biggest reads able to lynch (damd and rayn) but mal your townread you were willing to lynch first.
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Like if rayn is your biggest scum read and I'm your second why do you ever even consider lynching mal?
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