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On March 22 2017 01:07 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 00:16 Koshi wrote:On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. Shows guilt On March 19 2017 00:51 Xatalos wrote:
Foley seems OK'ish for now, I guess? He talks a lot in a focused manner (focused on doing useful things). Kind of jumps to quick snap judgments. His reads aren't too far from my own, just a couple of people in different places. Pretty... null / slight town lean? Not really the best D1 lynch IMO Not sure if I like this read on Foley. Too generic. Should actually check if his reads really line up with those of darth. On March 19 2017 00:55 Xatalos wrote:
Eden seemed kind of OK? At least his Calix case actually made me reconsider Calix - no matter if it's right or wrong, at least he seems to do things and not just lurk by. So much bad in this sentence. 1) Soft defense on Eden for no reason. 2) And who says "I considered scumreading Calix due to this case, it doesn't matter if the case is wrong"? He doesn't say it like that. But he acknowledges the fact it could very well be wrong. 3) So twice he hides behind Eden case to scumread Calix.... Feels like what he did to me and rayn. On March 19 2017 01:04 Xatalos wrote:On March 19 2017 00:54 Calix wrote:On March 19 2017 00:41 Xatalos wrote:On March 18 2017 22:12 Damdred wrote:
Xata or anyone who on the mal wagon makes you super skeptical? rayn isn't even on his wagon, but he's pushed Mal nonetheless, and with very weak reasons IMO (which is more typical of his scumplay). Still not sure about disfo, and not completely sure about Calix either. Mainly it's because there hasn't been any meaningful opposition, but just scattered votes all around. That rarely leads to a correct lunch. Yeah, about that. On March 18 2017 07:15 Xatalos wrote:
Eden's case isn't actually horrible. It's true that Calix jumped to scumreading disfo a bit quickly/strongly and stuck with it until it no longer had steam. The reason for dropping it wasn't the best either... "at least he's doing something now" after listing various other reasons to scumread him, which weren't really addressed? Or were they somewhere?
I could be biased because Eden praised my townieness so greatly.
I'll be around closer to the deadline, but probably not very much for the next 15-20 hours or so. I'm confused as to why you think it's suspect for me to have pushed disformation 'a bit quickly/ strongly and stuck with it' when you agreed with all of my points and spent more time talking about it than I did? My point here being that since you acted in a similar way, it doesn't make sense for you to then agree with Eden when he calls out the same behaviour in me. And I still don't get how Eden calling you top town influences your response to his case. In general, I think Eden has not been talked about as much as I was expecting him to be. @Damdred, can you expand on your Eden read? Well, it's not like I think you're sure scum like he implied or anything. Just that his reasoning kind of made sense to me. You did jump to scumread him very quickly, and a bit too strongly considering the reasoning (tone) maybe... and kind of left the wagon to roll until it died? And abandoned the wagon just like that even though your other points weren't really addressed, just the confusion part that I was mostly suspicious of? Dunno. I can see the scum motivation in that. But then again, you've been pretty active and contributing very, so I don't have any motivation to pursue the matter. When confronted by Calix he is very apologetic. While he should try to figure out if the case is either correct or false.Xatalos, why feul the Eden case and incriminate Calix but then don't do anything yourself when Calix confronts you? This? I do not know how I missed it the first time -.- I agree that point 1 is weird because him being a top town of Eden's should not affect his liking the case. That stood out to me too but I am biased because it was a case against me. I do not think point 2 is meaningful. I also agree on point 3 that he is hiding behind me. He town read Tweedledumb because I really believed Tweedledumb is town. Which was weird and I did not like it. And obviously I agree on the last part as I tried talking on that already. So yes, I see your thought process and it is decent as a case. And I will try to filter Xatalos with this in mind. I still think he's town for meta. But maybe I am giving him too much slack by doing that. So I will try to ignore that. I am trying to fix my computer so if I succeed then I will read his filter then.
Not sure how being glad that someone spoke positively of me is "showing guilt". I would consider it a minimum standard for being a solid town to listen to (if someone is scumreading me in this game, he's either scum or bad, so not someone to really listen to...). It's not the whole truth in itself, but I've rarely been scumread by town as town in recent games. Meanwhile if I was having a bad D1, scum usually jumped on me.
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Well, that's a simplistic way to put it. But in any case, it's at least a slight positive to townread me, especially for a decent reason.
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It can be a different story if it's a random townread thrown at me like candy. Those are decently likely to come from scum.
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OK, seems like you have. Not sure how much of that game state transfers to this one, since it seemed to be more blue-focused and a smaller game, but at least you have.
How many times have you fakeclaimed though? 
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On March 22 2017 01:25 Damdred wrote:
Like if you compare his claim to some of his other claims like guardians of the galaxy as scum, that one looks a lot different and actually looks desperate.
This looks really different and in line with his town games.
Hmmm.... Could you link to his claim there?
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Somehow this devolved into me vs rayn again though... Even though I tried and tried to resist the temptation >.>
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Hmmm.... This brought to mind so many of his posts in this game :D:D
On March 21 2015 02:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If Holyflare can't deduce why Toad is mafia he is scum too.
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On March 22 2017 01:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:24 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 01:08 Xatalos wrote:
Question: why would he be so FUCKING DESPERATE as town to waste away his JK role for having a couple of votes on himself at D2 start? How does town come to that conclusion? I never would. And I haven't seen him do that before either. He does like risky gambles though, and fake claiming would be just his style. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439578-extractor-trick-mini-mafia?user=raynpelikoneet/dunked OK, seems like you have. Not sure how much of that game state transfers to this one, since it seemed to be more blue-focused and a smaller game, but at least you have. How many times have you fakeclaimed though? 6 times in one game as town.
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Kind of felt similar to me though. Similarly done to sway the lynch situation to his favor for a short-term gain?
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On March 22 2017 01:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:25 Damdred wrote:
Like if you compare his claim to some of his other claims like guardians of the galaxy as scum, that one looks a lot different and actually looks desperate.
This looks really different and in line with his town games. In that game i trolled hardcore because my scumteam was shit and the town somehow magically managed to lose to them anyways.... Like jesus christ 2 scum claimed vigilante and i think sicklucker even shot Toad or something. Every scum called every scum mafia so i didn't bother. What a fucking clusterfuck.
If the scumteam is Eden/DF/rayn or something, I wouldn't call it exactly the dream team either
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Though not sure if rayn would try that hard in that case.
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On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here
It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town.
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On March 22 2017 01:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:33 Xatalos wrote:
Kind of felt similar to me though. Similarly done to sway the lynch situation to his favor for a short-term gain? LOL Oh god this is so fucking terrible. EVEN COMPARING Guardinas game to ANY other game i have EVER played is trashhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... :D
Your existence is trash.
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On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc.
I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway.
It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK.
I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking.
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On March 22 2017 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking. So you think i am mafia but you're okay with being lynched?
I think you have about 30% chance of being scum. Eden is maybe 80% and DF 60%. But this EOD will tell a lot.
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On March 22 2017 01:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking. i will listen to your theories tonight if you make it, now if you are town You need to find the other two scum. You haven't really been convinced by eden being scum most of the game it seems, why?
I sort of liked his start. He started strong with a case on Calix, a showy target, with a half-decent case. Then he just... slowly faded away and did less and less of anything meaningful. Felt like he thought it would be better to stay out of sight, out of mind, even though he posted here and there. And his last post was awful before he went into AFK mode. Now his long AFK streak is more indicative of scum since he was more or less a dead man walking with his last post and the NK. Probably better for him to shut up than make things worse for the scumteam.
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On March 22 2017 01:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:46 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking. So you think i am mafia but you're okay with being lynched? I think you have about 30% chance of being scum. Eden is maybe 80% and DF 60%. But this EOD will tell a lot. No Xatalos. Who is mafia and why. No percentages. No bullshit. Who is mafia and why?
Eden almost certainly. DF is also a strong candidate due to POE and less than impressive posts / ever weaker impact on the thread as the game went on. Rest is in you/AMG/Onegu probably.
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POE. Haven't seen anything extremely bad or good about him so far.
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Even Tumble and disfo have made me think they could be town lately.
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