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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 21:34 GMT
#3441
Unlike you, I did actually vote for two scum during D2 (Eden and you)
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 31 2017 21:42 GMT
#3442
On April 01 2017 06:34 Xatalos wrote:
Unlike you, I did actually vote for two scum during D2 (Eden and you)

you got anything else to post besides some unsubstantiated bullshit?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 31 2017 21:46 GMT
#3443
like i dont think i have seen you post any case this game. at all.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 31 2017 21:49 GMT
#3444
like scrolling through your huge filter again i did see 0 posts that go like "x is scum, here is why"
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 31 2017 22:00 GMT
#3445
good n8 folks.
good talk + Show Spoiler +
not

will try to carve out some time tomorrow evening.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 22:35 GMT
#3446
Better to have clear, focused reasoning for an opinion than line after line of fluff like you
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 31 2017 22:36 GMT
#3447
Good night as well though. I wonder where Damdred disappeared to.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
March 31 2017 22:51 GMT
#3448
Figured I would be dead meh, anyway I'm here now will read some things.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 01 2017 14:23 GMT
#3449
How did reading the things go?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 01 2017 14:23 GMT
#3450
Xata what was the point in going after rayn so early d2 over Eden really?

Like ritoky does has a good case on eden, I have a ok case that stretches two days on eden. So why not look at Eden more oor lynch him before rayn?

Disf why are you always so hesitant to really do things on your own the whole game without being prodded really? Your votes are also really stagnant even though you are here eod with shenanigans going to happen.

And how was it a backstab koshi voting you? I hate that wording you used because backstab implies friend/same team instead of an unknown meh.

Super annoying I thought i would be dead, kinda implies that disf is scum cause angbwould of been stupid easy lylo for xata
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 01 2017 14:24 GMT
#3451
On April 01 2017 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
How did reading the things go?


Mostly slept while I could but some questions for both, I have a conclussion maybe working but the game deserves to be played.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 01 2017 14:37 GMT
#3452
Also interesting calix had xata hard town, df didn't have him scum, ritojy had him upper null, amg had him hard town.

Calix had disf as scum some of the game but mainly pushing koshi around kill, df was cop mainly pushing koshi might he died, ritoky had disf in his scum pile, Adam was set on afk lynching him today
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 01 2017 14:40 GMT
#3453
Also df had a good post about when the scum had the wagons 4-3-3 d2 about xata good observation on koshi jump vote to him with the super justification on his vote on xata. Really hard to fake those reactions to scum voting you while you are on the same scum team.

Also super hard as scum to go after a claimed powerrole you know is true as you and up looking worse. Point in xata favor for sure.

Hrm
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 01 2017 17:06 GMT
#3454
Disfo why does d2 just point to xata being scum? Like say you are town, Eden is scum and xata is scum.

Xata gets 3 votes, you get three votes and eden has 4.

Why wouldn't koshi jump off Eden and into disf (you) and make it a virtual tie and save a team mmate for another day?

I mean the logic you used to paint scum on xata is flawed because it can be directly road to you as well.

Also why were you so adament about Eden on lynch day but before that point you were wishy washy really?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 01 2017 17:52 GMT
#3455
On April 01 2017 07:35 Xatalos wrote:
Better to have clear, focused reasoning for an opinion than line after line of fluff like you

If you mean posts like:
On March 26 2017 05:12 Xatalos wrote:
I could probably aim to write a novel with the material I've posted on TL Mafia over the years....

Anyway I think Damdred is really quite townish from his vote behavior on D2 alone. disfo also went for Eden, and stayed on him all day, even though he seemed to consider me a bit at times... But that's not necessarily scummy. Dunno, I kind of like both Tumble and disfo? AMG is the only one I seriously think could be scum out of the remaining players. The last one... urgh

where you just waffle on around 4 ppl. sure.


On April 01 2017 23:23 Damdred wrote:
[...]
Disf why are you always so hesitant to really do things on your own the whole game without being prodded really? Your votes are also really stagnant even though you are here eod with shenanigans going to happen.

And how was it a backstab koshi voting you? I hate that wording you used because backstab implies friend/same team instead of an unknown meh.
[...]

Q: Disf why are you always so hesitant to really do things on your own the whole game without being prodded really?
A: Dunno. Didnt felt like this to me.

Q: Your votes are also really stagnant even though you are here eod with shenanigans going to happen.
A: If i dont like the shenny target, i am not moving my vote.

Q: And how was it a backstab koshi voting you?
A: He went from:
On March 28 2017 04:45 Koshi wrote:
There is no fucking way disformation is mafia here.

Damdred/AGM/(tumblewood)

to:
On March 28 2017 05:56 Koshi wrote:
Fine. I am afk till deadline. Probably till tomorrow.
##unvote
##vote disformation
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
April 01 2017 18:08 GMT
#3456
On April 02 2017 02:06 Damdred wrote:
Disfo why does d2 just point to xata being scum? Like say you are town, Eden is scum and xata is scum.

Xata gets 3 votes, you get three votes and eden has 4.

Why wouldn't koshi jump off Eden and into disf (you) and make it a virtual tie and save a team mmate for another day?

I mean the logic you used to paint scum on xata is flawed because it can be directly road to you as well.

Also why were you so adament about Eden on lynch day but before that point you were wishy washy really?

not sure i 100% understand this.
koshi was already part of creating the 4-3-3 scenario with his vote on xata?
On March 22 2017 06:10 beentheredonethat wrote:
Vote count


raynpelikoneet (0) xatalos, calix, koshi
eden1892 (6): damdred, disformation, raynpelikoneet,koshi, onegu, xatalos, darthfoley, Calix
disformation (1): Calix, darthfoley, xatalos, Tumblewood
AMG (0): Tumblewood
Koshi (0): Tumblewood
Xatalos (3): raynpelikoneet, AMG, Koshi

Not voting (1): Eden1892


Currently, eden1892 is set to be lynched!

i think it was:
eden (4): damdy, disfo, oneg, xata
disfo (3): calix, df, tw
xata (3): rayn, amg, koshi

so koshi switching to me still would have been a dead eden. thread consent was also not that much behind lynching me (see by df and calix switching off me later). both xata and koshi switching to me and pushing hard could have worked, but would have been fairly suspicious imo. as in two ppl trying to get the lynch of scum pretty hard.
the xata bus by koshi was less risky (since they also control one of the votes/Pushes on xata and gave xata a metric fuckton of town points.

@eden:
was wishy washy on eden d1.
eden posts a horribly scummy post n1.
the guy pointing out why/how that post was super scummy dies.
guy who did the scummy post doesnt show up.
how do you not vote that?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 01 2017 21:57 GMT
#3457
On April 01 2017 23:23 Damdred wrote:
Xata what was the point in going after rayn so early d2 over Eden really?

Like ritoky does has a good case on eden, I have a ok case that stretches two days on eden. So why not look at Eden more oor lynch him before rayn?

Disf why are you always so hesitant to really do things on your own the whole game without being prodded really? Your votes are also really stagnant even though you are here eod with shenanigans going to happen.

And how was it a backstab koshi voting you? I hate that wording you used because backstab implies friend/same team instead of an unknown meh.

Super annoying I thought i would be dead, kinda implies that disf is scum cause angbwould of been stupid easy lylo for xata


Not sure if I remember my D2 thoughts completely anymore, but I think I was most concerned about rayn at D2 start. He's hard to catch as scum, and he had already shown behavior related to his scumplay (pushing several weak cases with (fake?) confidence through D1 etc.), so I was pretty alarmed. I guess objectively looking Eden was the worst, and definitely deserved to be lynched, but there was still a chance he could flip town and in that case a huge single wagon on Eden would have been a giant waste of time. That being the case, I thought rayn was the most deserving of being the second wagon - until he claimed. Then the second wagon switched to me and I felt that was pretty fine, actually, so I focused mostly on how people pushed me rather than thinking of a third wagon (pretty pointless to have more than two). Koshi's attitude to me was definitely the most out of place, and it should have dropped him lower in my reads, but there was also what AMG, rayn etc were doing so that split my attention in several directions. In the end, I didn't reap the full benefits of the flow of D2 (=Koshi practically scumclaiming by going hard after me to save Eden), but it was still an OK day all around.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 01 2017 22:19 GMT
#3458
On March 17 2017 07:34 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2017 07:28 Damdred wrote:
What Eden did though is wifom right up his alley, soon kind of ignores it and will wait patiently for him to come back and interact with.

What do you think of it though dis? Scum? Bad town? Obviously you have an opinion

who? eden or xata?

dont think i have played with eden before. opening is 50/50. tries to give the thread something to work with and gtfos. it is mechanical/setup talk though, so easy to do as scum.
xata biting immediately is only something i found after reading his posts like 3 times with a "why could he be scum" mindset.


I know this is one of the first posts in the game and like lots was made out of it. I dont think enough was made of the Eden read.

It like reads like a scum read but feels he's trying to justify a null read. I wish I would of caught that after we lynched Eden meh.

Also super interesting Eden goes ham with the early shit with disf and seems to want to scum tea him but decided to go into calix than me never really paying disf attention.

Blah plus I know obs I yelli at me just to kill disf because I wouldn't be alive if xata was scum.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 01 2017 22:21 GMT
#3459
Also voting xata for clarity ^^. Teehee
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 01 2017 22:24 GMT
#3460
On April 02 2017 06:57 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2017 23:23 Damdred wrote:
Xata what was the point in going after rayn so early d2 over Eden really?

Like ritoky does has a good case on eden, I have a ok case that stretches two days on eden. So why not look at Eden more oor lynch him before rayn?

Disf why are you always so hesitant to really do things on your own the whole game without being prodded really? Your votes are also really stagnant even though you are here eod with shenanigans going to happen.

And how was it a backstab koshi voting you? I hate that wording you used because backstab implies friend/same team instead of an unknown meh.

Super annoying I thought i would be dead, kinda implies that disf is scum cause angbwould of been stupid easy lylo for xata


Not sure if I remember my D2 thoughts completely anymore, but I think I was most concerned about rayn at D2 start. He's hard to catch as scum, and he had already shown behavior related to his scumplay (pushing several weak cases with (fake?) confidence through D1 etc.), so I was pretty alarmed. I guess objectively looking Eden was the worst, and definitely deserved to be lynched, but there was still a chance he could flip town and in that case a huge single wagon on Eden would have been a giant waste of time. That being the case, I thought rayn was the most deserving of being the second wagon - until he claimed. Then the second wagon switched to me and I felt that was pretty fine, actually, so I focused mostly on how people pushed me rather than thinking of a third wagon (pretty pointless to have more than two). Koshi's attitude to me was definitely the most out of place, and it should have dropped him lower in my reads, but there was also what AMG, rayn etc were doing so that split my attention in several directions. In the end, I didn't reap the full benefits of the flow of D2 (=Koshi practically scumclaiming by going hard after me to save Eden), but it was still an OK day all around.


Yeah I can see that.

Alsovi have a theory why rayn wasn't blocked n2 but really meh.
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