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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 25 2017 09:28 GMT
#2681
On March 25 2017 16:25 Tumblewood wrote:
in order, the scumteams that make the most sense by association are:
damdred/disfo > amg/disfo > damdred/xata > amg/damdred > disfo/xata > amg/xata > any team with Koshi > any team with rayn or df
and I think damdred/disfo might be a winner

What is "any team with rayn or df"?
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:40 GMT
#2682
I actually liked Tumble's posts in the recent pages. Didn't feel like he planned any of that in advance, but rather started rethinking things and his conclusions flowed directly from whatever he was thinking. Dunno if I explained that well, but basically I don't get the feeling there was an agenda in there or that he wanted to especially "look good" at all.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:44 GMT
#2683
Tumble: who do you think would be the "pushover" scum in your theory for why ritoky was killed? I like the theory otherwise, but I don't really see who would just let Eden control the kill.. When he was barely even playing by N1.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:45 GMT
#2684
On March 25 2017 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 16:25 Tumblewood wrote:
in order, the scumteams that make the most sense by association are:
damdred/disfo > amg/disfo > damdred/xata > amg/damdred > disfo/xata > amg/xata > any team with Koshi > any team with rayn or df
and I think damdred/disfo might be a winner

What is "any team with rayn or df"?


Just that, rayn + X or DF + X?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:47 GMT
#2685
On March 25 2017 14:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to be so mad at Xatalos if Damdred is mafia in this game.


If that's the case, I'll admit I was wrong when I said "at least I've been more correct than you". I really hope that's not the case though
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 25 2017 10:49 GMT
#2686
On March 25 2017 19:45 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 25 2017 16:25 Tumblewood wrote:
in order, the scumteams that make the most sense by association are:
damdred/disfo > amg/disfo > damdred/xata > amg/damdred > disfo/xata > amg/xata > any team with Koshi > any team with rayn or df
and I think damdred/disfo might be a winner

What is "any team with rayn or df"?


Just that, rayn + X or DF + X?

so. how does a team work that is e.g. df+x where x is not rayn?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:50 GMT
#2687
On March 25 2017 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe I could just go with the "never wrong on TvT arguments" theory and lynch amg and damdred. seems like a mighty easy play


What's this theory? Thread shitfights are always TvT? >.> I'll admit I've never participated in one as scum, but I've seen cases of that happening. Me (town) vs rayn (scum) for example haha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:52 GMT
#2688
On March 25 2017 19:49 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 19:45 Xatalos wrote:
On March 25 2017 18:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 25 2017 16:25 Tumblewood wrote:
in order, the scumteams that make the most sense by association are:
damdred/disfo > amg/disfo > damdred/xata > amg/damdred > disfo/xata > amg/xata > any team with Koshi > any team with rayn or df
and I think damdred/disfo might be a winner

What is "any team with rayn or df"?


Just that, rayn + X or DF + X?

so. how does a team work that is e.g. df+x where x is not rayn?


That's a good point... it doesn't even work. You're both fake claiming or genuinely claiming after all.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 25 2017 10:52 GMT
#2689
On March 25 2017 19:50 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe I could just go with the "never wrong on TvT arguments" theory and lynch amg and damdred. seems like a mighty easy play


What's this theory? Thread shitfights are always TvT? >.> I'll admit I've never participated in one as scum, but I've seen cases of that happening. Me (town) vs rayn (scum) for example haha

if i remember correctly he had like calix and me as tvt for our d1 argument.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 25 2017 10:53 GMT
#2690
On March 25 2017 19:52 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 19:50 Xatalos wrote:
On March 25 2017 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe I could just go with the "never wrong on TvT arguments" theory and lynch amg and damdred. seems like a mighty easy play


What's this theory? Thread shitfights are always TvT? >.> I'll admit I've never participated in one as scum, but I've seen cases of that happening. Me (town) vs rayn (scum) for example haha

if i remember correctly he had like calix and me as tvt for our d1 argument.

yeah:
On March 17 2017 23:50 Tumblewood wrote:
ALSO disfo v calix is a TvT argument. no way scum!disfo goes into an argument against someone way more widely TR b/c he knows he won't win

On March 18 2017 00:54 Tumblewood wrote:
you can poke holes in my TvT argument but I know I'm right, I've never missed a read like this. and if you are baffled by how else disfo could respond to an accusation, look at what I've done all game

Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:54 GMT
#2691
On March 25 2017 19:52 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 19:50 Xatalos wrote:
On March 25 2017 11:41 Tumblewood wrote:
maybe I could just go with the "never wrong on TvT arguments" theory and lynch amg and damdred. seems like a mighty easy play


What's this theory? Thread shitfights are always TvT? >.> I'll admit I've never participated in one as scum, but I've seen cases of that happening. Me (town) vs rayn (scum) for example haha

if i remember correctly he had like calix and me as tvt for our d1 argument.


Hm ok..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:55 GMT
#2692
Ok, kind of makes sense I guess.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 25 2017 10:57 GMT
#2693
was skimming a bit through koshi's filter, but the only thing i found was his somewhat suspect readflip and vote D2, that i already pointed out.
+ Show Spoiler [in dat post] +

On March 22 2017 19:42 disformation wrote:
seems im stuck on phone for a while. so quoting n shit hard. so ill try to be concise n shit.
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2017 07:01 beentheredonethat wrote:
D2 Final Vote Count


raynpelikoneet (0) xatalos, calix, koshi
eden1892 (6): damdred, disformation, raynpelikoneet,koshi, onegu, xatalos, darthfoley, Calix, raynpelikoneet
disformation (1): Calix, darthfoley, xatalos, Tumblewood
AMG (0): Tumblewood
Koshi (0): Tumblewood
Xatalos (3): raynpelikoneet, AMG, Koshi, raynpelikoneet

Not voting (1): Eden1892


so:
ignoring tumble:
as mentioned earlier:
id say 2 scum on efen or 1 scum on eden 1 on xata.
with tumble it can be tumble +1 eden. or tumble and 1 xata.

looking at the xata wagon:

rayn: given his read progression and everything it makes a lot of sense for him. also first on a wagon that makes a lot of sense for him to be on. not much to see.

koshi:
[-] hard flip of his read on xata.
[+] posted good reasons to scum read xata
[--] timing. koshi flipping the xata read and voting xata brought the votes to 4 eden, 3 disf, 3 xata. like he flipped vote and read precisely at a time where the xata train got a bit of steam and it seemed it might take of. so if xata is town this might point to a scum koshi.

reminds me that i wanted to filter dive him.

amg:
a fuckton of wifom here. strangely more focused on defending eden than getting a specific person lynched. hard to tell if he just really thought eden is town or went for a huge wifom play.
tinfoil sick play: xata/amg/eden for max wtf.
would have liked it more if he had more actively tried to get a scumread lynched.
so overall meh.


so still not seeing it. either need a yuge tinfoil, oneg's meds or whatever tw is smoking. probably all three.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 25 2017 10:58 GMT
#2694
yeah him being stubborn about his tvt was also one of the points why i had a town lean based on tone on him D2.
though he did flip his read on me D2, when he saw good points about me in koshis filter.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 10:58 GMT
#2695
Hmm... Everyone alive now has some reason I think they're town. But obviously 2 are scum...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:00 GMT
#2696
Like I think of a reason anyone could be scum - and I come up with 2 reasons for being town........ sucks
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 25 2017 11:06 GMT
#2697
On March 25 2017 19:58 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... Everyone alive now has some reason I think they're town. But obviously 2 are scum...

inb4 all vt after all xD

though dont think it is very likely
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:07 GMT
#2698
On March 25 2017 20:06 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2017 19:58 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... Everyone alive now has some reason I think they're town. But obviously 2 are scum...

inb4 all vt after all xD

though dont think it is very likely


Heh yeah it's always the lingering doubt in the back of my head. I don't see a path for victory for them if that's the case though. Or do you?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
March 25 2017 11:11 GMT
#2699
not really. which is why i think it is very unlikely.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 25 2017 11:15 GMT
#2700
Yeah though they've both been my scumreads at different points, it's not really worth worrying too much about now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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