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On March 22 2017 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 20:46 Xatalos wrote:
Seems like disfo had about the same thoughts on AMG as I did. But you just said "AMG even pushed against Eden lynch" which has been your main reason for scumreading hi -> try to save Eden. And you agree with disformation in "AMG didnt really look like he was trying to get his scumread lynched". Those two are 100% mutually exclusive.
I thought the Eden lynch was aids... wasn't completely sure where I wanted it to go, but was fairly certain I wanted it elsewhere to where it was.
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On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking.
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Hello, allow me to ignore everything that's being discussed right now to say that if Oh-ne-gu is mafia, he's probably Godfather for his poorly-substantiated "Xatalos is the Cop who green-checked me" theory.
Someone point out if there are any holes in this theory of mine.
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On March 22 2017 20:43 Koshi wrote:It comes down to: Onegu is cancer. Darthfoley has a good D2 filter. He stopped dirt shoveling. Had maybe 2 posts in which he was too sure Eden was mafia. Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 05:26 darthfoley wrote:
Rayn still hasn't given me any reason to his apparent reason for town reading Eden even after Calix and I have asked directly for an answer.
Idk why you're being obstinate with people that actually think you're town Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Like Eden is very likely mafia. He's done nothing since pressure was put on him. How the fuck could we let him live today Also was maybe dirt shoveling in the first post. AMG is not solving the game and is putting paranoia in the thread.
How do those DF quotes show mafia motivations precisely? I do not see a gap between his read and his read confidence in those posts.
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On March 22 2017 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 20:46 Xatalos wrote:
Seems like disfo had about the same thoughts on AMG as I did. But you just said "AMG even pushed against Eden lynch" which has been your main reason for scumreading hi -> try to save Eden. And you agree with disformation in "AMG didnt really look like he was trying to get his scumread lynched". Those two are 100% mutually exclusive.
AMG didn't hard deflect away from Eden, but close enough. Enough to say that in hindsight his D2 play was probably the most scum-favoring.
I mean he did kind of try to get the lynch anywhere else if possible, but didn't hard push on his own. Latched onto my wagon very easily though.
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On March 22 2017 21:14 Calix wrote:
Hello, allow me to ignore everything that's being discussed right now to say that if Oh-ne-gu is mafia, he's probably Godfather for his poorly-substantiated "Xatalos is the Cop who green-checked me" theory.
Someone point out if there are any holes in this theory of mine.
Would really like an explanation from him. It's an interesting idea though. Maybe he was hoping to be cleared by Cop and got over-excited and misunderstood because of that?
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On March 22 2017 21:20 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 21:14 Calix wrote:
Hello, allow me to ignore everything that's being discussed right now to say that if Oh-ne-gu is mafia, he's probably Godfather for his poorly-substantiated "Xatalos is the Cop who green-checked me" theory.
Someone point out if there are any holes in this theory of mine. Would really like an explanation from him. It's an interesting idea though. Maybe he was hoping to be cleared by Cop and got over-excited and misunderstood because of that?
It's the scummiest thing he's done since his focus was on 'confirming' himself and not on the actual events going on in the thread or on finding mafia (since his ritoky/ rayn theory was debunked big-time and all he did was 'sheep' his town-reads onto Eden).
On March 22 2017 21:19 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 22 2017 20:46 Xatalos wrote:
Seems like disfo had about the same thoughts on AMG as I did. But you just said "AMG even pushed against Eden lynch" which has been your main reason for scumreading hi -> try to save Eden. And you agree with disformation in "AMG didnt really look like he was trying to get his scumread lynched". Those two are 100% mutually exclusive. AMG didn't hard deflect away from Eden, but close enough. Enough to say that in hindsight his D2 play was probably the most scum-favoring. I mean he did kind of try to get the lynch anywhere else if possible, but didn't hard push on his own. Latched onto my wagon very easily though.
AMG defending Eden so much isn't necessarily scum-indicative but the fact that he's yet to do any real scum-hunting in the 40-odd hours he's been in the game is concerning.
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Yeah, I said it was "scum-favoring", not necessarily scum-motivated  Obviously there's a scum motivation too. It's just not absolutely the only motivation.
It's true that Onegu seemed only excited/interested when it's about confirming himself
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On March 22 2017 21:23 Calix wrote:
AMG defending Eden so much isn't necessarily scum-indicative but the fact that he's yet to do any real scum-hunting in the 40-odd hours he's been in the game is concerning.
Ill be straight up with you. I refuse to post cases that I don't believe in. So id rather sit here, with no fucking scum reads, and cop all the flak that comes with that, then post something just to get you lot off my case. That's not how I roll.
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On March 22 2017 21:33 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 21:23 Calix wrote:
AMG defending Eden so much isn't necessarily scum-indicative but the fact that he's yet to do any real scum-hunting in the 40-odd hours he's been in the game is concerning. Ill be straight up with you. I refuse to post cases that I don't believe in. So id rather sit here, with no fucking scum reads, and cop all the flak that comes with that, then post something just to get you lot off my case. That's not how I roll.
Well, you don't need to be 100% sure someone is scum to point out why they might be scum.
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On March 22 2017 21:16 Calix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 20:43 Koshi wrote:It comes down to: Onegu is cancer. Darthfoley has a good D2 filter. He stopped dirt shoveling. Had maybe 2 posts in which he was too sure Eden was mafia. On March 22 2017 05:26 darthfoley wrote:
Rayn still hasn't given me any reason to his apparent reason for town reading Eden even after Calix and I have asked directly for an answer.
Idk why you're being obstinate with people that actually think you're town On March 22 2017 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Like Eden is very likely mafia. He's done nothing since pressure was put on him. How the fuck could we let him live today Also was maybe dirt shoveling in the first post. AMG is not solving the game and is putting paranoia in the thread. How do those DF quotes show mafia motivations precisely? I do not see a gap between his read and his read confidence in those posts.
I don't know what mafia motivation is. But once mafia decides to bus, they tend to overcompensate. Here df might have overcompensated.
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DF kind of screwed over Eden there if they're both scum though. I think I was a decently realistic option without DF's actions, but he was a somewhat crucial swing vote/voice in my favor. Not impossibly a bus, but kind of a YOLO play if it was.
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On March 22 2017 21:12 AMG wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 01:43 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:39 Damdred wrote:On March 22 2017 01:36 Xatalos wrote:On March 22 2017 01:34 Damdred wrote:
Totally different though, Rayn was actually up for lynch near eod. We had little time to really discuss it or parse anything.
Here we've had 48 hours almsot to talk about it and his reasoning is 9000000% better to claim here It would make a ton of sense to claim later though. He could judge the reactions and how the wagons develop, then claim if needed to shock the scumteam. He wouldn't be scared of pressure as town. And risk being lynched with how afk the game is near eod generally? And really why are you going so crazy on you v rayn here? We have 5 hours for lynch really and I do not think the game is going to lynch rayn here. Your best bet if you are town is to convince the game you are by finding the other scum etc. I'm fine with being lynched if that's what it takes. I'm VT anyway. It would break my 10-game record or so of not being lynched as town, but it would probably solve the game. Especially if Eden is scum. So it's kind of OK. I just have this nagging feeling that rayn is still scum that won't go away, so it's very hard to resist talking.
Is this the conversation i asked you about AMG?
If so, it's not a conversation between me and Xatalos.
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If there is one thing i am good at at this game it's that when there is flipped mafia i can tell who is NOT mafia with them. I am almost never wrong on those reads even when everyone else and their mother reads those people scum.
disformation is not mafia with Eden.
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On March 22 2017 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If there is one thing i am good at at this game it's that when there is flipped mafia i can tell who is NOT mafia with them. I am almost never wrong on those reads even when everyone else and their mother reads those people scum.
disformation is not mafia with Eden.
I think I've fooled you sometimes though :p I really like distancing schemes as scum.
(Could be remembering wrong)
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At least there was that game where I double-bussed with my scummate and you were SK. You then shot my surviving teammate thinking he was blue or something :D
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Damdred what's your townread on Darthfoley based on?
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So I have a good D2 filter yet still somehow kinda scummy Tom koshi? Fair I guess if you believe I believed I was in such a bad spot that I decided to bus my AFK teammate it's plausible.
A thought I had: if we are on the cop + JK setup, a smart godfather would have done his/her best to get the lynch off of Eden. Doesn't have to worry about a cop check so there may be even more motivation to go after anything else possible throughout the day. In fact, a godfather play trying to draw a cop check on him/her would be super nuts. For this reason I would guess the theoretical GF would vote off Eden's wagon and the RB would probably buss. We should look carefully into people's off wagon Eden play today regardless
If we're in the vigi setup, my Master deduction doesn't really make sense so
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On March 22 2017 22:16 Xatalos wrote:
At least there was that game where I double-bussed with my scummate and you were SK. You then shot my surviving teammate thinking he was blue or something :D
Yeah i don't do well figuring out all mafia in scumteams that play horribly.
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On March 22 2017 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2017 22:16 Xatalos wrote:
At least there was that game where I double-bussed with my scummate and you were SK. You then shot my surviving teammate thinking he was blue or something :D Yeah i don't do well figuring out all mafia in scumteams that play horribly.
I really don't understand your penchant for being a dick
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