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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 11 2017 14:25 GMT
#1621
On February 11 2017 20:31 Superbia wrote:
Actually is Grack prone to this type of reading as mafia? Like both silverika and sharkie have had a very townie showing.

Also, I have no idea what this means.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
February 11 2017 15:26 GMT
#1622
On February 11 2017 23:24 Grackaroni wrote:
If this team fails then the spy is super or sharkie.


So you put in two people you aren't even sure about? K
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
February 11 2017 15:40 GMT
#1623
I was expecting something along the lines of "it has to be superbia", but now you don't even sound sure that sharkie is actually resistance, which is in contrast to basically all your beliefs.

Also noted that you lazily call all arguments against you omgus. There is no rule that says that the first to accuse is more right or more resistance.

Fact of the matter is, you are pushing the notion I nominated an all town team when I knew Swika would include me into the next team.

Fact of the matter also is that RtaniSoul was helping sharkie back when you changed your read, and it wasn't the entire thread attacking him, it was mostly just me.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9846 Posts
February 11 2017 15:52 GMT
#1624
On February 12 2017 00:40 Vivax wrote:
I was expecting something along the lines of "it has to be superbia", but now you don't even sound sure that sharkie is actually resistance, which is in contrast to basically all your beliefs.

Also noted that you lazily call all arguments against you omgus. There is no rule that says that the first to accuse is more right or more resistance.

Fact of the matter is, you are pushing the notion I nominated an all town team when I knew Swika would include me into the next team.

Fact of the matter also is that RtaniSoul was helping sharkie back when you changed your read, and it wasn't the entire thread attacking him, it was mostly just me.

My belief is that Sharkie is more likely town than you.

I'll call it OMGUS if the argument is literally "he was town reading me and then he accused me."

Yeah I am - minus the last part because you aren't a fucking mind reader and they never suggested a team until after the first mission passed and you gained cred from selecting the pasing mission.

You & Silver were both very confident that the scum was Sharkie and you were both connecting him with Artanisoul. I don't see why I wouldn't just let you guys fuck each other up rather than coming up with a theory that pissed all 3 of you off.

Your read is worse than OMGUS because you try to make it look like it was some great opportunity for me to turn on you at that moment when it was actually the opposite.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
February 11 2017 16:09 GMT
#1625
On February 12 2017 00:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 00:40 Vivax wrote:
I was expecting something along the lines of "it has to be superbia", but now you don't even sound sure that sharkie is actually resistance, which is in contrast to basically all your beliefs.

Also noted that you lazily call all arguments against you omgus. There is no rule that says that the first to accuse is more right or more resistance.

Fact of the matter is, you are pushing the notion I nominated an all town team when I knew Swika would include me into the next team.

Fact of the matter also is that RtaniSoul was helping sharkie back when you changed your read, and it wasn't the entire thread attacking him, it was mostly just me.

My belief is that Sharkie is more likely town than you.

I'll call it OMGUS if the argument is literally "he was town reading me and then he accused me."

Yeah I am - minus the last part because you aren't a fucking mind reader and they never suggested a team until after the first mission passed and you gained cred from selecting the pasing mission.

You & Silver were both very confident that the scum was Sharkie and you were both connecting him with Artanisoul. I don't see why I wouldn't just let you guys fuck each other up rather than coming up with a theory that pissed all 3 of you off.

Your read is worse than OMGUS because you try to make it look like it was some great opportunity for me to turn on you at that moment when it was actually the opposite.


Who needs to read minds when I can just read posts? I asked active players who they thought should go on a team, oh look:

On February 02 2017 18:30 Silverika wrote:
You could put yourself, Rtani, and us or yourself Rtani, and Super. I think you said you had unresolved issues with those two? Or maybe yourself, Grack, and us.

~SilverWolf77


And you would not let us fuck up each other when you're spy with sharkie, simples. And if he isn't you're trying to portray the first team as all town and get on further missions. Also simple, and already mentioned. You can stop repeating questions now.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
February 11 2017 16:11 GMT
#1626
So yes you're still stating I made an all town team as spy knowing I'd be on the next mission.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
February 11 2017 16:15 GMT
#1627
You'd be more credible stating I was spy with sharkie, but this? Just lol.
Silverika
Profile Joined January 2017
United States231 Posts
February 11 2017 17:49 GMT
#1628
Well if grack is a spy, superbia would be a partner. I'm sticking with my sharkie and Rtani Soul are Town. Ika also doesn't see anything from grack that makes him want to change his mind and call him Town. I do think only one spy was on the mission. I guess sharkie, grack could work but I really don't see it. Ika is going all conspiracy mode on Vivax/grack but I think that is even less likely.

~SW
Hydra of ika42 and SilverWolf77
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 11 2017 18:04 GMT
#1629
On February 12 2017 02:49 Silverika wrote:
Well if grack is a spy, superbia would be a partner. I'm sticking with my sharkie and Rtani Soul are Town. Ika also doesn't see anything from grack that makes him want to change his mind and call him Town. I do think only one spy was on the mission. I guess sharkie, grack could work but I really don't see it. Ika is going all conspiracy mode on Vivax/grack but I think that is even less likely.

~SW

We don't really see it as a necessity that there's scum on the mission. It's very unlikely that Grack expects that there's much hope of the mission going through.
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
February 11 2017 18:49 GMT
#1630
this isn't right
objectively grack should be scum or something but there's just no way he's scum. like maybe he's delivering an oscar-winning performance but I just don't see it, the missions say scum but everything else just screams town about him. it's gotta be sharkie or vivax
good times for all
Tumblewood
Profile Joined January 2016
United States3709 Posts
February 11 2017 18:58 GMT
#1631
gracj do you believe in your team
good times for all
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
February 11 2017 19:13 GMT
#1632
Final words for postgame cred: My resistance picks.

Swika + RtaniSoul + SL + TW

I'm fairly sure that this passes.
Then you add me and the game is wrapped up. All troublesome choices like Grack/sharkie/super/emc are excluded.

This is the only team I'll ever approve.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
February 11 2017 19:13 GMT
#1633
So pick one between SL + TW + me or Grack + sharkie/emc + superbia for spies.
RtaniSoul
Profile Joined December 2015
552 Posts
February 11 2017 19:23 GMT
#1634
On February 12 2017 04:13 Vivax wrote:
Final words for postgame cred: My resistance picks.

Swika + RtaniSoul + SL + TW

I'm fairly sure that this passes.
Then you add me and the game is wrapped up. All troublesome choices like Grack/sharkie/super/emc are excluded.

This is the only team I'll ever approve.

Why are you so sure on SL/TW being town?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
February 11 2017 19:35 GMT
#1635
On February 12 2017 04:23 RtaniSoul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2017 04:13 Vivax wrote:
Final words for postgame cred: My resistance picks.

Swika + RtaniSoul + SL + TW

I'm fairly sure that this passes.
Then you add me and the game is wrapped up. All troublesome choices like Grack/sharkie/super/emc are excluded.

This is the only team I'll ever approve.

Why are you so sure on SL/TW being town?


Cause I'm so sure that the spies are spies
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21959 Posts
February 11 2017 19:38 GMT
#1636
And yes that's my only reasoning you're getting today cause for the rest, you can go back and fucking read what I already posted.

I don't want to put more work into this game, I feel like the idiot who's trying hard while 50 % just slack off and still don't acknowledge what you're doing.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18378 Posts
February 11 2017 19:51 GMT
#1637
On February 11 2017 20:42 Vivax wrote:
Well my three scenarios are:

  • Sharkie + Grack were both spies. Seeing no out from either scumreading each other or Swika, they let the first mission pass, waiting for the second to blame the newcomer as they felt it would be easier than to attack a vastly townread swika, or being forced to scumread each other. Grack now put sharkie in along with superbia, who can still be either town or spy but for simplicity it's always easier to assume only one spy was on a failed team, so it's usually a win win or eat least no loss scenario for spies to have 2 on a team.

  • Only Grack was spy and decided that he would pass the first, and fail the second. Before it failed he 180° his read on me and townread sharkie instead to try and gather support from all the members of the first three player team + RtaniSoul. Mind you, his read switch happened after I was in an argument with sharkie and rtaniSoul so the timing makes sense as he saw an opening on me here. In this case his current team is all town with exception of superbia who is his infiltrate.

  • Only sharkie is spy. Least likely in my opinion cause I don't believe that Gracks read switch on me was genuine and somewhere I mentioned that if he's town it was maybe borderline gamethrowing, but for sure game changing.


Gracks scenario is that I made an all town team when I was townread already. Even IF I didn't include myself for cred, what would have stopped me from trying to put in a spy? The worst that could happen was that it got rejected and swika put me into the next team anyways, they were ready to do that. So I'm not the guy pushing tinfoil in this case.

My question to Grack and sharkie now is: If this team failed, who would they think was spy?


I don't believe that this team will fail. But if it fails then super must be the spy. But that's a risk we will take with any of sl/tw/emc/super.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18378 Posts
February 11 2017 19:56 GMT
#1638
On February 11 2017 20:16 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2017 19:45 Superbia wrote:
Actually I'll take a look at grack's logic later today first. I'm a bit bothered by something


Since the gf is currently on the phone, I'll elaborate a little bit:

I'm still a bit stuck on 99% mafia being on team 1. I may be reading a bit too much into WIFOM here, but the polarized votes, especially by scummy people, are so incredibly weird. Initially when making this post, I wanted to call out grack for a mafia WIFOM team.

However, Grack's theory is interesting. In a way that it is pretty shit and farfetched, but it showcases a townie mindset. If you think both your team mates are town, and you are town, how do you approach that vote? And that's it looks like he did. If it's a play, it's pretty good. But I actually like him as town at this point.

That does leave me stuck on the votes on team 1, and everything surrounding it (cough—I'm still reading a bit into the late modpost). I actually would prefer grack on the team without sharkie. I may be falling into a good WIFOM play here. But this is where my mind is headed atm.


Who are the scummy people in your view?
Also, when you mention that you like Grack's theory and call it townlike, do you mean my theory that Grack has adapted?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18378 Posts
February 11 2017 19:57 GMT
#1639
Also rtani, what team would you send at the moment?
Silverika
Profile Joined January 2017
United States231 Posts
February 11 2017 20:06 GMT
#1640
Sigh, There are too many people not putting in enough effort for me to read them as town. Like TW, SL, EC, Super are all putting in low effort so I can't tell who the spies are. I agree that grack doesn't look that scummy but either does Vivax and sharkie looks more town than not but there has to be a spy here. So at this point, I can go in circles wondering who it is or I'm just gonna have to make a move and say it's grack. By PoE and because the others are townier. If I'm wrong, then I'll eat crow post game but really, with the apathetic game state, I wouldn't even be too hard on myself if I fucked it all up and grack is town and someone like sharkie is the spy.

So Grack, EC, Super would be my call right now and yeah, I get this is different than what I had before but there it is. This is my guess for the spy team. I hope I'm not wrong on all 3 or I don't even know what to think of this game then.

~SW
Hydra of ika42 and SilverWolf77
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