I like grack's team suggestion buz super hasn't posted here since the mission failed and that kinda changes my view of him again. I really don't know his motive behind his sporadic appearances. He sure as hell does not make it easier for resistance players...

Just I agree with silver and rt's stance here. Unless super decides to come back and give us more information about his play I unfortunately do not see too much of a chance of this Nomination... Which makes my turn coming up much more difficult...

sharkie

Austria18381 Posts

February 11 2017 08:26 GMT

#1605

Also rt, what team would you send out if you had to nominate right now?

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 11 2017 10:42 GMT

#1606

Wow that team may be okay

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 11 2017 10:42 GMT

#1607

Interesting

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 11 2017 10:43 GMT

#1608

My sporadic appearance mostly has to do with real life. And sometimes I just lose interest for a bit.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 11 2017 10:45 GMT

#1609

Actually I'll take a look at grack's logic later today first. I'm a bit bothered by something

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 11 2017 11:03 GMT

#1610

Like this is saturday, I'll be around for time to time if people have questions. But I generally do not have much time on the weekends. We can continue the discussion tomorrow/monday as well, if people want. I can nominate the same team then.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 11 2017 11:04 GMT

#1611

On February 11 2017 20:03 Superbia wrote:
Like this is saturday, I'll be around for time to time if people have questions. But I generally do not have much time on the weekends. We can continue the discussion tomorrow/monday as well, if people want. I can nominate the same team then.

Response to rso's post on "this should be about super and super only"

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 11 2017 11:16 GMT

#1612

On February 11 2017 19:45 Superbia wrote:
Actually I'll take a look at grack's logic later today first. I'm a bit bothered by something

Since the gf is currently on the phone, I'll elaborate a little bit:

I'm still a bit stuck on 99% mafia being on team 1. I may be reading a bit too much into WIFOM here, but the polarized votes, especially by scummy people, are so incredibly weird. Initially when making this post, I wanted to call out grack for a mafia WIFOM team.

However, Grack's theory is interesting. In a way that it is pretty shit and farfetched, but it showcases a townie mindset. If you think both your team mates are town, and you are town, how do you approach that vote? And that's it looks like he did. If it's a play, it's pretty good. But I actually like him as town at this point.

That does leave me stuck on the votes on team 1, and everything surrounding it (cough—I'm still reading a bit into the late modpost). I actually would prefer grack on the team without sharkie. I may be falling into a good WIFOM play here. But this is where my mind is headed atm.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 11 2017 11:16 GMT

#1613

I'll revisit that thought hopefully later tonight. I'll also decide on my vote then.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 11 2017 11:18 GMT

#1614

And with tonight I mean this evening, before the votes. ;p

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 11 2017 11:31 GMT

#1615

Actually is Grack prone to this type of reading as mafia? Like both silverika and sharkie have had a very townie showing.

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 11 2017 11:32 GMT

#1616

Which would imply that this team suggestion is indeed WIFOM

Superbia

Netherlands8889 Posts

February 11 2017 11:32 GMT

#1617

o well, I'll decide this evening :p

Vivax

21965 Posts

February 11 2017 11:42 GMT

#1618

Well my three scenarios are:

Sharkie + Grack were both spies. Seeing no out from either scumreading each other or Swika, they let the first mission pass, waiting for the second to blame the newcomer as they felt it would be easier than to attack a vastly townread swika, or being forced to scumread each other. Grack now put sharkie in along with superbia, who can still be either town or spy but for simplicity it's always easier to assume only one spy was on a failed team, so it's usually a win win or eat least no loss scenario for spies to have 2 on a team.
Only Grack was spy and decided that he would pass the first, and fail the second. Before it failed he 180° his read on me and townread sharkie instead to try and gather support from all the members of the first three player team + RtaniSoul. Mind you, his read switch happened after I was in an argument with sharkie and rtaniSoul so the timing makes sense as he saw an opening on me here. In this case his current team is all town with exception of superbia who is his infiltrate.
Only sharkie is spy. Least likely in my opinion cause I don't believe that Gracks read switch on me was genuine and somewhere I mentioned that if he's town it was maybe borderline gamethrowing, but for sure game changing.

Gracks scenario is that I made an all town team when I was townread already. Even IF I didn't include myself for cred, what would have stopped me from trying to put in a spy? The worst that could happen was that it got rejected and swika put me into the next team anyways, they were ready to do that. So I'm not the guy pushing tinfoil in this case.

My question to Grack and sharkie now is: If this team failed, who would they think was spy?

Grackaroni

United States9846 Posts

February 11 2017 14:24 GMT

#1619

On February 11 2017 20:42 Vivax wrote:
Well my three scenarios are:

Sharkie + Grack were both spies. Seeing no out from either scumreading each other or Swika, they let the first mission pass, waiting for the second to blame the newcomer as they felt it would be easier than to attack a vastly townread swika, or being forced to scumread each other. Grack now put sharkie in along with superbia, who can still be either town or spy but for simplicity it's always easier to assume only one spy was on a failed team, so it's usually a win win or eat least no loss scenario for spies to have 2 on a team.
Only Grack was spy and decided that he would pass the first, and fail the second. Before it failed he 180° his read on me and townread sharkie instead to try and gather support from all the members of the first three player team + RtaniSoul. Mind you, his read switch happened after I was in an argument with sharkie and rtaniSoul so the timing makes sense as he saw an opening on me here. In this case his current team is all town with exception of superbia who is his infiltrate.
Only sharkie is spy. Least likely in my opinion cause I don't believe that Gracks read switch on me was genuine and somewhere I mentioned that if he's town it was maybe borderline gamethrowing, but for sure game changing.

Translation: OMGUS.

But really that's a pretty gross portrayal of what happened.

You and Silverika were both adamant that the scum team was Sharkie/Artanisoul and were hammering on them rather than everyone being against you. Then, as you described, I saw my opening on you and accused you & Rtanisoul, thereby turning all 3 of you/Silver/Rtanisoul against me for the support of Sharkie, who was currently getting beaten down by the thread.

Plus Silverika never said that they were going to add you to their mission. I saw one post where they made some suggestions for the team that you were choosing, but they could have easily chosen any combination of themselves/Rtanisoul/me/Super/you for their own mission. There was no town read on you from them that was greater than any other townie people's read.

Also if you look back to day 4, you looked like you were trying to find a way to waver out of the mission by calling my list post a scum slip because it "looked like I only thought of two scum", and then you back tracked when people questioned you on it.

Grackaroni

United States9846 Posts

February 11 2017 14:24 GMT

#1620

If this team fails then the spy is super or sharkie.