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On February 07 2017 03:23 RtaniSoul wrote:
People have been sniping at our slot since the get go for shitty reasons nothing to do with OUR play and it's made both of us quite frustrated. She's at uni right now but she vented about it herself yesterday.
I just don't understand all of the confidence in this mission.
Between the four of us you would need to have found 4/5 townies
Scum would have had to have failed massively this game, and the vote for the last mission wasn't even close. It's also not like Sharkie or I were beacons of townie-ness that couldn't have been stopped. I don't think either of us were even going to be put on Silver's mission if that mission was rejected.
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On February 07 2017 03:15 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
my team makes sense to me. I'm pretty sure the next mission is going to fail.
Silverika is too indignant to be scum.
Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective.
Tumblewood/Artanis are both like "I think Grack could definitely be scum here. Full steam ahead guys!"
##Accept. Plus Tumblewood is super blendy while Rtanisoul seems to mainly be trying to buddy Silver.
Everyone else seems to be showing at least some level of skepticism over the team. I know that is not your main message but could we all please stop accusing other people of spies JUST BECAUSE THEY ACCUSE YOU? Also just because someone calls you resistance DOES NOT MEAN that they are not spies... Sheesh.
If I think the mission is going to fail it makes sense for me to look at the people who don't seen to be putting very much thought into upvoting the mission but are poised to put the blame for the failure on me afterwards.
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On February 07 2017 03:33 Silverika wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 03:29 Grackaroni wrote:On February 07 2017 03:23 RtaniSoul wrote:
People have been sniping at our slot since the get go for shitty reasons nothing to do with OUR play and it's made both of us quite frustrated. She's at uni right now but she vented about it herself yesterday. I just don't understand all of the confidence in this mission. Between the four of us you would need to have found 4/5 townies Scum would have had to have failed massively this game, and the vote for the last mission wasn't even close. It's also not like Sharkie or I were beacons of townie-ness that couldn't have been stopped. I don't think either of us were even going to be put on Silver's mission if that mission was rejected. Aren't there 6 townie's?
Yeah but in this case he would be one of them, so he needs to find 4 of the remaining 5.
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On February 07 2017 07:20 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 07:18 sicklucker wrote:On February 07 2017 07:07 Superbia wrote:
Like what type of koolaid are you drinking to think that the original 3 was town dont think it matters its the math play. the two are garanteed town. sharkie just might be a newb who was afraid but hell he even just downvoted the mission so i doubt it The fucking math play!? You mean the meth play. I had a post detailing why the original 3 had a mafia in them like super likely. Straight from the votes.
Lol
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On February 07 2017 07:31 Superbia wrote:
Grack I hated your "okay im gonna pass this team" post. I thought it was votebait but apparently not. Felt very forced
I liked how sharkie was giving you sass.
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Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie.
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On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team?
I just did...
Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team.
It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!"
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On February 08 2017 00:43 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:41 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team? I just did... Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team. It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!" Some sort of bid for the second team? Seems like a bit of a stretch.. Keep in mind scum have no QT to coordinate.
Keep in mind that this is just a theory, and I'm not 100% sure this is the case.
Vivax wasn't going to add Artanisoul to the team because he was opposed to artanisoul and he wasn't going to add himself because of all of the fuss he made about it being scummy to add yourself to a mission.
He has to add a third person.
Both Artanisoul/Vivax liked the people on the team. They could have tried to find a way to backtrack on their reads from there, but it would also make sense for them to just vote accept.
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lol I read Vivax right in that one game and now I have a history of being right about his alignment.
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On February 08 2017 00:49 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:48 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:43 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:41 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:38 Superbia wrote:On February 08 2017 00:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Sharkie has been way way townier today than he has been anywhere before. I'm pretty sure he's just town.
I also think Silver is town
Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My new guess is that the team is Vivax/Artisoul/Tumblewood.
I think that would explain the yes votes for the first mission since one of Vivax/Artisoul was guaranteed to be put in the second mission for putting in Sharkie. Explain votes on mission 4 in this world. All mafia vote yes suddenly even though no one is on the team? I just did... Artanisoul/Vivax were the ones that were most supportive of adding Sharkie to the team. They can feel pretty safe voting the town team knowing that one of them will be added to the team next time since they were the ones that shaped the team. It also explains Vivax's random suspicion of Artanisoul at the start of the game based off of nothing but "they added themselves, scum!" Some sort of bid for the second team? Seems like a bit of a stretch.. Keep in mind scum have no QT to coordinate. Keep in mind that this is just a theory, and I'm not 100% sure this is the case. Vivax wasn't going to add Artanisoul to the team because he was opposed to artanisoul and he wasn't going to add himself because of all of the fuss he made about it being scummy to add yourself to a mission. He has to add a third person. Both Artanisoul/Vivax liked the people on the team. They could have tried to find a way to backtrack on their reads from there, but it would also make sense for them to just vote accept. Or they just vote no and one of them gets added to the team by silver to auto-pass team #5.
See bold. Jesus Superbia.
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On February 08 2017 00:50 Vivax wrote:Earlier: Show nested quote +On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective.
Now: Show nested quote +Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My, my, Grack. Just when you had earned my favour ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I liked that when I thought the spy was likely to be sharkie.
Now I think the spy is quite unlikely to be sharkie.
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On February 08 2017 00:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 00:51 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 00:50 Vivax wrote:Earlier: On February 07 2017 03:13 Grackaroni wrote:
Vivax is actually coming up with a lot of thought out scum pairings without trying too hard to be town read. Plus he said right off the bat that Silver/I aren't scum, which is a good thing from my perspective.
Now: Vivax just keeps arguing that Silver/I aren't mafia based off WIFOM instead of analyzing posts and is ignoring sharkie making townie posts. I kind of think he just wants to take the opposing position of the other spy because he is basing his read on Silver/I on such weak reasoning while arguing that we need to ignore vote logic because it's WIFOM.
My, my, Grack. Just when you had earned my favour ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) I liked that when I thought the spy was likely to be sharkie. Now I think the spy is quite unlikely to be sharkie. Even then the same argument shouldn't lead to different conclusions for you. Unless you use it just to make up reads when they suit the moment ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
You're scum.
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Just from the way this conversation has played out it's all about optics.
"Guys look at this! Grack has been inconsistent!"
No shit.
When I thought that sharkie was the most likely to sabotage the mission I liked that you weren't going to pin the blame on me/Silver.
Now that I think sharkie is looking way townier I'm looking at the person who is using nothing but WIFOM to blame him for the failure.
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On February 08 2017 01:07 RtaniSoul wrote:
Also, Grack, why is Silver exempt from the thing you judge Vivax for? Silver has been extremely stubborn on the sharkie and rtani are spies train and grack/vivax are supertown too.
I'm reading Silver mostly based on attitude.
I also have different standards for what I expect from different players.
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On February 08 2017 01:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
Also, Grack, why am I mafia? You've created a scenario in which I could be a spy with Vivax based on how the votes went but there's no actual arguments for why I'm mafia in there.
It just makes sense for me as a plausible explanation for the vote count on the first mission.
My 2 premises I got from reading through the thread this morning were that sharkie is town and Silver is town.
From there I need Vivax to be mafia because this mission passed. But the first mission is very unlikely to go through if the scum team is Vivax + 2 people who aren't being town read (Say Sicklucker/EC). Things would make a lot more sense for me if the team was You/Vivax, because you both could reasonably approve the mission as scum knowing that it won't cost you the game in this scenario.
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On February 08 2017 01:26 RtaniSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 01:20 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 01:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
Also, Grack, why am I mafia? You've created a scenario in which I could be a spy with Vivax based on how the votes went but there's no actual arguments for why I'm mafia in there. It just makes sense for me as a plausible explanation for the vote count on the first mission. My 2 premises I got from reading through the thread this morning were that sharkie is town and Silver is town. From there I need Vivax to be mafia because this mission passed. But the first mission is very unlikely to go through if the scum team is Vivax + 2 people who aren't being town read (Say Sicklucker/EC). Things would make a lot more sense for me if the team was You/Vivax, because you both could reasonably approve the mission as scum knowing that it won't cost you the game in this scenario. What I don't understand is that I've been saying pretty much the same as sharkie as well as a lot of other things, yet you don't townread me. Why? I do follow your logic on why it doesn't make sense for a spy to vote for the first one if it was clean unless they have a good presence. One explanation I see is that if it didn't go through, silver would get a mission and it'd auto pass and silver's reads did not include scum for his choices. Another would be that at least this way they can get cred for voting for a passed mission.
I'm town reading sharkie because I think he's done a few things that I wouldn't except to see out of a new mafia player. That's obviously not the case for you.
The bold is actually really interesting though because I remember Silver had you as his top town read. So that's actually possible. In this case scum! Vivax would still have to have been unable to add any of his teammates to the team though.
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On February 08 2017 01:41 emperorchampion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2017 01:32 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 01:26 RtaniSoul wrote:On February 08 2017 01:20 Grackaroni wrote:On February 08 2017 01:10 RtaniSoul wrote:
Also, Grack, why am I mafia? You've created a scenario in which I could be a spy with Vivax based on how the votes went but there's no actual arguments for why I'm mafia in there. It just makes sense for me as a plausible explanation for the vote count on the first mission. My 2 premises I got from reading through the thread this morning were that sharkie is town and Silver is town. From there I need Vivax to be mafia because this mission passed. But the first mission is very unlikely to go through if the scum team is Vivax + 2 people who aren't being town read (Say Sicklucker/EC). Things would make a lot more sense for me if the team was You/Vivax, because you both could reasonably approve the mission as scum knowing that it won't cost you the game in this scenario. What I don't understand is that I've been saying pretty much the same as sharkie as well as a lot of other things, yet you don't townread me. Why? I do follow your logic on why it doesn't make sense for a spy to vote for the first one if it was clean unless they have a good presence. One explanation I see is that if it didn't go through, silver would get a mission and it'd auto pass and silver's reads did not include scum for his choices. Another would be that at least this way they can get cred for voting for a passed mission. I'm town reading sharkie because I think he's done a few things that I wouldn't except to see out of a new mafia player. That's obviously not the case for you. The bold is actually really interesting though because I remember Silver had you as his top town read. So that's actually possible. In this case scum! Vivax would still have to have been unable to add any of his teammates to the team though. Wait, isn't that asking (as a spy) to have two failed missions? Since the next person in line is going to pick an all resistance team as well. I think Vivax would just add himself instead of sharkie, that team would have likely passed. Pretty sure that's a better option unless in this world vivax is going for some solo carry strat with sl/tw as his team mates.
I think Vivax wouldn't send himself because he made such a big deal out of how bad it was that everyone else was adding themselves to their teams.
The only thing that worries me right now is that I've never seen what Silverika's scum play looks like.
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The people of Grackonia stand with Sharkie.
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On February 08 2017 19:05 RtaniSoul wrote:I'm actually starting to think grack is the spy. Bleh. ^ cause i explained it to him  though to be fair, he's still very convinced sharkie is town (resistance whatevs) based on feels. but mainly it comes down to grack being so adamant that it must be vivax...as town i'd expect him to be more leery of the other two on the first mission with him, but instead he goes straight to it's the new guy! there's more spy motive to that than town...namely, if you say it's the new guy loud enough maybe no one looks to the original three
This is false. I was suspicious of the original three during the day, unlike you
It's also bullshit. The general consensus was that the spy was on the original team, and more specifically that the spy was sharkie. You're acting like the scenario was that everyone was just writing off the original team as scum free, when that just wasn't the case.
But I do think that there is spy motive in you trying to demonize me for this when before you were saying that it was less likely for me to call Vivax as scum. Mostly based on how weak and inaccurate the bold statement is that caused you to flip that idea.
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