Liquidmania Qualifier #2

On January 16 2017 02:44 Hapahauli wrote:
JAT is clearly not an A+ player, and we do not deserve this nonsense.

##Vote: JustAnotherTownie

How's it going Damdred?

On January 16 2017 03:03 Damdred wrote:
I'm good happa I missed you and your amazing voice bby!

And since ls wants us to vote people in the game.
##vote lightningstrike

On January 16 2017 03:05 Hapahauli wrote:
Sound 10/10 logic

##Vote LightningStrike

On January 16 2017 03:09 Hapahauli wrote:


Don't take it personally LS. I'm just voting for your execution.

On January 16 2017 03:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Chairman Ray disagrees with your logic.

On January 16 2017 03:47 Vivax wrote:


It's early in the game I'm perfectly fine with leaving it at that, just wanted to get a possible interpretation out of the system after noticing your attitude.



Do you think I can't replicate that as scum? Dunno why you feel like posting this already. I mean ok, it's never bad to be posting reads. But just this post alone in the room looks a bit solitary.

It's just that I'm used to everyone saying that I become obvious as scum as the game progresses and I thought you adopted that point of view as well.

On January 16 2017 04:22 Damdred wrote:
It is interesting as a side note that hapa was interested enough to ask me a question about ls reading but just disnt care enough to respond to me answering (feelings hurt).

Really I did like that vivax had a sort of point he wanted to drive home. I disagree with him though.

I liked hapa offensive capabilities but I sort of feel like it was misplaced it felt like.

Fight seems off to me.

On January 16 2017 04:42 Hapahauli wrote:


There is nothing to discuss about you reading LS. At some point in this game, you'll make a read on him, and I'll judge for myself whether it makes sense or not. I just need to know what expectations I should have.



You're always welcome to scum-slip so I can tunnel you into the ground for the next 48 hours or so.

On January 16 2017 04:45 Holyflare wrote:


Correct.

On January 16 2017 05:45 Vivax wrote:



I don't find it scummy, actually. It might even show that he's in a cozy mood cause in my experience mafia feels like they need to put something substantial on the table. And I don't believe that mafia HF would believe that to be enough. Maybe I'm overestimating his scum game but I believe, simply put, that he would try harder.

For me it's just disappointing so far as he didn't have an own opinion about any of our points.
Actually he earns some town points in my book for a post that looks bad on the surface.

On January 16 2017 05:59 Holyflare wrote:
##vote damdred

You're playing a different game to us.

On January 16 2017 08:40 Hapahauli wrote:
Where did LightningStrike and Vivax go? What do you guys think about all of this?

On January 16 2017 09:09 Damdred wrote:


But why weird ls? Which side is weird?

On January 16 2017 13:15 Onegu wrote:
Is this game really a 12:00 EST deadline?

On January 16 2017 15:54 Holyflare wrote:


Why did you want to know if Damdred was around?

On January 16 2017 22:21 Vivax wrote:


The one game I have in mind actually, they both hard defended each other. It's the one where they got all emotional, can't remember the name.



Walk me around why you said this cause it's the one post that I don't see a townie making in the context where he believes that LS is scummy.

When you made it you must have believed that Damdreds reasons are bad.
If Damdreds reasons are bad, then Damdred can be scum, but LS can't be scum.
But LS can be scum, so why mention TMI?

On January 16 2017 22:24 Rels wrote:
LS can you expand on why is Hapa / HF weird ?

On January 16 2017 22:24 Vivax wrote:


LS did Damdred never mislynch you or push for your mislynch when he was mafia?

On January 16 2017 22:30 Rels wrote:

But you started this thought at the time saying HF was being nitpicky. What makes you think Hapa could be the scum there ?

On January 16 2017 08:22 Hapahauli wrote:


Because...



...the bolded makes sense, and is consistent with some other name typos that Damdred has made over the last 2 hours. (See: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/517873-liquidmania-qualifier-2?page=6#110)

You switch out "vivax" for "hapa" there, and Damdred's thought process is entirely consistent. I believe the typo, or at the very least, I believe that the typo is equally likely to Damdred fucking up as mafia.

On January 16 2017 22:35 Vivax wrote:




Then we can resume discussion here.

On January 16 2017 22:46 Rels wrote:

Isn't this the very same thing you found HF push nitpicky ?

On January 16 2017 22:48 Holyflare wrote:
So if I'm being nitpicky about damdred and you don't like it why does hapa stopping it seem weird?

On January 16 2017 22:50 Vivax wrote:


the plot thickens

On January 16 2017 22:58 Holyflare wrote:
But if you find my push on damdred nitpicky (please explain how) and hapa stopped a push you didn't like then why is it odd and why does that implicate that it's a mafia/town situation?

I feel like you've just copied a sentence about what I posted in regards to hapa and then didn't bother to actually make a conclusion and are making some weird statements.

On January 16 2017 23:01 Rels wrote:

this is actually great info. Did Damdred ever hard townread you when he was scum and you were town ?

On January 16 2017 23:12 Holyflare wrote:
But how is that relevant to what you think about hapa and myself....?

On January 16 2017 23:12 Holyflare wrote:
What alignment do you think damdred is atm ls?

On January 16 2017 04:22 Damdred wrote:
It is interesting as a side note that hapa was interested enough to ask me a question about ls reading but just disnt care enough to respond to me answering (feelings hurt).

Really I did like that vivax had a sort of point he wanted to drive home. I disagree with him though.

I liked hapa offensive capabilities but I sort of feel like it was misplaced it felt like.

Fight seems off to me.

On January 16 2017 23:30 Holyflare wrote:
LS what if damdred never posts again?



You gonna be useless till then?

On January 16 2017 23:23 LightningStrike wrote:
Vivax what's your read on HF atm?

On January 16 2017 23:39 Vivax wrote:


Null, anything else? It's kind of not much to talk about so I was reluctant to answer.



Why did you stop thinking that?

On January 17 2017 00:57 Damdred wrote:


I missed you to baby boy.

On January 16 2017 09:47 Damdred wrote:
Eh if like to talk some actually hf.

I don't like hapa post for a couple reasons. One I don't want to talk about as you kinda covered it.

But he soft defended me and I hate soft defends. Like I think its a great mafia thing to do asbit leaves his options open which he does.

On January 17 2017 01:11 Damdred wrote:


LS what are your reads?

On January 17 2017 01:59 Holyflare wrote:
Uh who was saying ls doesn't post links to filters as mafia? Cos he does in one of his games

On January 17 2017 01:07 LightningStrike wrote:

Hey what you think of Hapa vs HF from last night or at least clairify this post a little bit more:

On January 17 2017 02:23 Damdred wrote:


I don't know yet, I think there is a good shot HF is town. I have hapa as null right now but his pressure on me and his last post about town reads and not having much to scum read has me thinking maybe i had it right the first time.

So far its a pretty hard game tbh. I still stand by my sudden change of opinon on hapas post though.

On January 17 2017 02:22 Alakaslam wrote:
Wait

See LS you pointed out in Damdred something I don't like.

Not scummy per se, mind you, I just don't like it:

Soft defending is scummy.

Oh really? I thought attacking everyone you see was scummy. Or attacking no one at all.

See scum have all the options in the world. Cause ultimately, the best play as scum is to be townie. So

Lol

On January 17 2017 05:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm really, really, really not a fan of LS since he's done shit all and then went on and on about how he NEEDED damdred's read on me/hapa to do anything and then just said fair enough and did absolutely nothing when damdred did post something relevant

then I hate that damdred/rels KEEP making these lazy meta ls reads that aren't even true and then when presented with new information that should update their reads they don't even bother looking into it or fact checking it and damdred is playing lazzyyyy

then I hate onegu's "catch up" but I don't know if that's extreme bias because I despise a million times over people that do page by page catch ups instead of just a summary but regardless his catch up that he's done so far is shit

then there's Hapa who is seemingly calling out Onegu/damdred and even voting Damdred for EXACTLY what he was criticised of doing (having no reads, not pushing much) but Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred:



which I think I hate by far the most

On January 17 2017 01:15 LightningStrike wrote:

Town
Damdred: Meta and actions suggest more likely town than scum.
Vivax: He had good pressure on Hapa and then later pressuring Rels.
Null:
HF: Easily could do those stuff from both alignment.
Rels: Need more posts from him to get better read on him.
Slam: Need him to explain his Hapa read a bit more.
Onegu: Only made 2 posts need more posts from him period.
Hapa: Would be my scum in the fight between him and HF didn't like the way he had shut down HF's push on you. But is okay but still questionable

On January 18 2017 00:39 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh why am I getting deja vu about BM being similar to btdt in my last game?

On January 18 2017 00:52 Vivax wrote:
No lynching is catastrophical by the way. This game you will have to vote even if you don't believe that the possible wagon is the right one. Basically if you allow a no lynch to happen it's extremely anti town.

On January 18 2017 01:36 Bill Murray wrote:




say this game is an ocean wave

game meta /\ thread sentiment

rels and HF both are on the wrong side of the wave here - theyre on the game meta side - when thread sentiment towards Hapa being conftown was swelling in most readership/jury/VT/whatever

thats likely why they both garnered wagons


i wouldnt call you sheepable but i do read both you and vivax as town [as per your read]


"the best offense is a good defense"


it's the color of money. cha-ching.


are you trolling? i feel like youre pushing hapa just to be pushing hapa


what? can you rephrase this?


can you ellaborate on this? thanks


hey now drop the ad hominem

On January 18 2017 02:07 Holyflare wrote:
Also I absolutely hate how nobody is talking about LS. (I guess my fault) BUT he's spent the entirety of the first 24 hours of the game doing nothing but waiting for damdred and then when damdred finally answered it's "oh, okay" and then just leaves again until the wagon on me starts and he has to vote somewhere at which point he states he has no idea how to read me.

Out of the fight of hapa/hf he even said it was hapa most likely mafia and hasn't commented on anything since but now it's the other way around.

On January 18 2017 02:11 Holyflare wrote:


Which I dropped when I completely saw the points hapa made??? Explain why it was nitpicky LS.

On January 18 2017 02:14 Holyflare wrote:


you think a player that got caught in a lie is picking tiny things? when damdred even admitted himself it made him look bad?

On January 18 2017 02:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Well I willing to get lynched if you guys need more time to solve hapa vs hf.

On January 16 2017 22:28 LightningStrike wrote:

Something feels off like it doesn't seem Town vs Town especially how they were interacting with each other it feels forced somewhere and or how the arguments were presented.