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On January 19 2017 00:20 Holyflare wrote: and that, again, is a reading error which I've pointed out about 8 times now Yes, anything that could make you scum is a reading error and you simply reupdate your posts with what you should have said instead when somebody points it out. | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:23 Rels wrote: We're talking about Hapa's POV here. And yeah, I was way more open to switching after you voted Hapa. So anyone could have come in and say "methinks X is scum" and you would switch to him along with everyone just cause there was one less vote on HF? | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:28 Holyflare wrote: now that is nicely cleared up I await your apology and your rescinding of your baseless scum read, good day Nothing you mention shows that it was a reading error or that you didn't think If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia which is completely made up and nonsensical when you were just looking for more stuff to throw at Hapa, buddies or not. | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:31 Rels wrote: well obviously since I didn't switch to Hapa when you did, that's not as clear cut as what you're saying Thanks. That leads me to the point. Why did LS get lynched? Cause there was one less vote on HF, or cause people actually believed LS is scum based on some random lazy posts by Damdred and HF? | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:38 Holyflare wrote: it also extends my time in this game because you're stopping me getting shot. arse What a townie thing to say I rescind everything. + Show Spoiler + not | ||
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And I'm having fun bashing heads and am looking for a fight and don't use flowery words to express myself. BUT. I really believe you are mafia, and that the reasons are right. Most of the time I have no problem getting along with you when you're town. But that's cause then, you don't just play your argumentative mafia game, but actually have a clear mind about who you want to lynch and don't waste time baiting shitshows. And you know that I'm prone to shitshows. And as town you know that and if you want to lynch me, you don't spend time being angry at me for scumreading you and setting it right, you simply explain to everyone why I'm mafia and whatever I say doesn't matter or doesn't affect you. A very subjective coloured additional reason for why I believe you're mafia. | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:41 Rels wrote: From Hapa POV, it makes total sense. And it's kinda true too. I think if you stay on HF HF gets lynched yesterday. On the grand scheme of things, OK your switch shouldn't have been the reason a player is not lynched. But in this game I don't think HF escapes lynch if you don't switch. On that post Hapa says he's staying on HF even if you're voting him: Then he's forced tro switch to LS. That's where his madness comes from. It's understandable. After talking to you he again changed his mind. It's not hard to understand. His mindset makes sense. I just have a really hard time picturing my vote being such a big factor in the switch to LS as I didn't see anyone switch to LS cause of the unvote, but cause Damdred and HF called for it. But if you say it's what it must have looked like for Hapa, I'll take this into consideration at face value. | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:47 Holyflare wrote: I don't think you're really that likely to be mafia vivax. I just want to END the fight by trying to get you to talk it out with you. I'm literally sitting here trying to avoid a fight while you want it instead. As our dear host would say, I'm not here to hold hands and sing kumbaya. I'm here to lynch someone. Whether our conversation is cordial or not, what does it change that I think you are mafia and want to lynch you for it? Walk me through your plans for the next day actually cause I don't even know who you believe is mafia, it doesn't really shine through the entire argument. I'll talk with you about your scumreads, but not about my scumread on you. We can keep that up forever. I might even reconsider when I feel less pumped, but then it's not cause you ask me to. | ||
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... To me Onegu + Slam scum ... | ||
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On January 19 2017 00:53 Rels wrote: It's been explained a lot. That's still why I'm not confident calling you town TBF. LS says scum!Damdred never hard townread him. Hapa ignores that fact 'cause it is not a good thing to take into account for him. You attacked him saying he should have take it into account. That's weird. But what's even weirder is that you don't take it into account yourself. Or if you do like you later said you did, it's not strong at all. So it's weird that it makes Hapa scum in your mind. You still missed the two points I made: 1) For Hapa, it wasn't even about HOW Damdred read LS. It was THAT Damdred only read LS. Yet HF argued about the HOW, not the THAT. 2) For HF to think what he thought, he must have reasoned like this: "If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia". Cause he said: Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred Which implies that Damdred should be read one way or another for it. Which HF can only think when he thinks: "If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia". | ||
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On January 19 2017 01:01 Holyflare wrote: rels called slam scum after me like 3 pages ago On January 19 2017 01:03 Rels wrote: Nothing. Depends on why he thinks Slam is scum. And I remember how I said I townread Slam at EoD and Rels agreed with me. And now he doesn't or what? | ||
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because damdred hard town read LS (which is something he never did as mafia, therefore damdred is likely to be town (if you put weight in meta reads, which hapa does)) Damdred hard town read LS. He doesn't do it as mafia. Therefore Damdred is town. Is always wrong when Damdred is town. And only right when Damdred is mafia. So you must have believed that Damdred was mafia for you to think that. | ||
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On January 19 2017 01:12 Holyflare wrote: Damdred hard town read LS. He doesn't do it as mafia. Therefore Damdred is town. ^ this is all right Is always wrong when Damdred is town. And only right when Damdred is mafia. ^ this doesn't make sense after that More like the english, the problem is that it doesn't even have to do with the original argument. I got myself fooled into answering a straw man. Cause it's an argument you only use when you believe that Damdred is mafia. You said: Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred The question is: Is this something you say when YOU believe Damdred is mafia, or when you believe he is town? | ||
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On January 19 2017 01:20 Holyflare wrote: This made me laugh, but now I'm getting out of the pocket again | ||
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On January 19 2017 01:28 Holyflare wrote: do you think hapa is town vivax? I have my doubts, cause I see myself dealing with the you-Hapa-Damdred triangle where both your reads on him don't make any sense to me. And I have one version where either you/hapa + Damdred are scum. LS version. Or you and hapa are scum and Damdred is the guy you're trying to fuck by association when he's playing badly. | ||
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On January 19 2017 01:32 Holyflare wrote: so why are onegu and slam town then? I don't see anything good anywhere in their filters See? This is why you are more likely scum. Quick question first, do you know who grush57 was? | ||
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On January 19 2017 01:36 Holyflare wrote: no and I don't care we're gonna be lynching one of those two tomorrow You know just as well as I do that even if those two were town, it would be extremely hard to find out based on the "goodness" of their posts. But we have to make a call, and I called town on Slam. It looks like he cared about the lynch, and looks like he has fun with his occasional monologue. And as for Onegu, it's cause he doesn't try to appear tryhard like in the game where Blazinghand bussed the hell out of him before winning. He plays by his own standards, not the others. I think that's what makes 1gu town. Are these the absolutely right reasons? I don't know, but they're the best I got and I don't want to lynch them. | ||
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