EPTMaybe hapa could be scum but I sont think it makes him scum here.
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Damdred
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Maybe hapa could be scum but I sont think it makes him scum here. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
Carry on folks, nothing to see here. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I don't like hapa post for a couple reasons. One I don't want to talk about as you kinda covered it. But he soft defended me and I hate soft defends. Like I think its a great mafia thing to do asbit leaves his options open which he does. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
His vivax fight/unvote felt forced especially since in one of his posts his whole vivax criticism is that vivax is posting what's on his mind and it's weak accusations but then says we should be posting everything we can. His "suspicion" on me for what was blatantly troll posts but mimicry of what vivax was saying into nothing further about me (no follow up now I've posted). His drive by comments and non participation into really out of the blue defence based on clear phone auto corrects is really odd when he likes pressure being put on people. His whole push just takes the wind out of my sails and shuts down a discussion avenue. Weird post even if it's what he thinks. + Show Spoiler + but his words are nice and he could just as easily be town but shhhhh that's no fun | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
But then asks for vivax and ls to discuss??? | ||
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Damdred
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Vivax was pretty t owny from his first few posts (to this point). That was why the fight originally felt a bit strange and off to me, it seemed like hapa was going after vivax for no real reason except to have things to do I didn't question the unvotw because I felt like vivax was only getting more towny aas it went. (Vivax only real meh moment was his read on you). So it felt like at the time hapa just realized vivax was making sense to me. I think outside that hapa should tell us how he reads vivax now. And how he actually reads the interchange between hf and myself. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 16 2017 09:35 Holyflare wrote: If you can read it like this after reading the last 5 or so posts on the last page where he specifically responds to my case and acknowledges the points then you must be mafia. That's such a ridiculous defense on a person that doesn't even need defending and if it was truly an error on his part could quite easily vindicate himself later. The typos in this post you've linked are incredibly obvious phone auto corrects, for example, the name ls is extremely close to the letters M and E. I don't think the letters V I V A X are close to H A P A in the slightest and in no way, shape or form would it ever be auto corrected to switch around. Furthermore, to compound on your bull shittery, he mentions both your name and vivax as two separate paragraphs and points in his post. Two separate matters. It's not a typo at all and in fact is quite clearly talking about two people instead of "mistaking" the names. If it was a mistake it would be one paragraph. I've read your interaction with Damdred probably 5 times over the last two hours. I still don't see what you're getting at. The entire interaction makes perfect sense if Damdred makes a typo and doesn't understand that he made a mistake while answering your question. I've been in his position as town. Since you dropped Damdred, this is no longer an issue however. On January 16 2017 09:53 Holyflare wrote: I think hapa can absolutely be mafia. His vivax fight/unvote felt forced especially since in one of his posts his whole vivax criticism is that vivax is posting what's on his mind and it's weak accusations but then says we should be posting everything we can. His "suspicion" on me for what was blatantly troll posts but mimicry of what vivax was saying into nothing further about me (no follow up now I've posted). His drive by comments and non participation into really out of the blue defence based on clear phone auto corrects is really odd when he likes pressure being put on people. His whole push just takes the wind out of my sails and shuts down a discussion avenue. Weird post even if it's what he thinks. + Show Spoiler + but his words are nice and he could just as easily be town but shhhhh that's no fun The Vivax fight was absolutely forced. I'd 100000x force a fight while I'm around than just banter about pointless things. Your posts were not "blatantly troll posts" aside from the third. As for me "shutting down discussion" - I gave you 2 hours with Damdred. I didn't think it was going anywhere, so I chimed in with my actual thoughts on the matter. If I thought your case had promise, I would have pressured Damdred. I'll gladly participate in cases I feel I have to force. But I'm not going to completely fake pressure on someone. As for asking Vivax and LS to discuss - what's wrong with that? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 16 2017 10:14 Damdred wrote: ... I think outside that hapa should tell us how he reads vivax now. And how he actually reads the interchange between hf and myself. ... I read Vivax as town. He provided a very calm and objective breakdown of what was happening while I was questioning him, and was critically thinking of things at a much deeper level than I'd expect "mafia Vivax" to do. I read the interchange between you and hf as "meh." When HF started going off on you, I read it, understood the contradiction, but had the opposite gut feel about it. I read the interaction a couple of times to understand the feel, and reached the conclusion that Damdred was answering like he didn't realize he made a mistake. I have no significant reads on either you or HF. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
Basically you want discussion but are shutting down discussion topics and not weighing in yourself. What do we know about what you think of people currently? Absolutely nothing. | ||
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Holyflare
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1) you are quite resolute in calling pointless 2) you haven't given your thoughts on any person so it seems like you're fobbing off that job to them. | ||
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Holyflare
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 16 2017 10:37 Holyflare wrote: I don't have a problem with forcing a fight because that's what I do a lot of the time. Your fight seemed unnecessarily extended and since it was forced because you wanted more discussion about things you were quite dismissive when new points arose (damdred's ls points). I was dismissive about Damdred's LS points, because I was talking with Vivax at that moment and didn't want to distract myself. I do not multitask well. I also didn't consider it worth talking about Damdred's LS points, because it is essentially a meta-argument that I have to argue when I'm not familiar with LS's meta. And yes, the Vivax argument was unnecessarily extended. That is intended. I consider it much better to back off later than earlier. May as well try and squeeze out every drop from the interaction. It's incongruous to want more discussion but not be that interested when it occurs. To add to that you were quite keen to sit back and do nothing with regards to damdred and myself for quite a while only to give no opinion in regards to anything alignment indicative. There was no opinion because your argument did not sit well with me. Also, I'm very hesitant at giving out reads unless I think someone is either mafia or has done something suspicious. I have been more forthcoming with early-game town reads in the past, but I think they encourage me to make premature, shitty, and unnecessarily uninformed reads. Basically you want discussion but are shutting down discussion topics and not weighing in yourself. According to you, I "shut down" two discussion topics in this game: 1) Damdred's read on LS. I'm not sure how I "shut that down." I asked Damdred 2 questions, and then I stopped asking him questions. Where is the part where I shut it down? 2).Your tunnel on Damdred. I didn't agree with your case, and I'm not going to lie about finding him suspicious. I asked LS and Vivax after the fact to chime in precisely because I wanted to hear more on the topic. Just because a discussion doesn't go your way, doesn't mean it is shut down. What do we know about what you think of people currently? Absolutely nothing. Of course, because I don't have any concrete conclusions, Vivax aside. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 16 2017 10:40 Holyflare wrote: And the ls/vivax thing is strange because you want their thoughts on something: 1) you are quite resolute in calling pointless 2) you haven't given your thoughts on any person so it seems like you're fobbing off that job to them. How so? 1) Did I call your case "pointless"? Disagreeing with your case does not mean that I think the entire line of discussion is pointless. 2) I thought it was inferred that dropping my vote off Vivax = that I thought Vivax was townie. As for "fobbing off the job" to LS and Vivax, I clearly gave my thoughts on what I thought of your case beforehand. The conclusion was that the case didn't make much sense to me, and was harping on a non-alignment indicative thing. I'm not going to draw a conclusion from your case and call Damdred town, because that doesn't make a lick of sense. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On January 16 2017 10:48 Holyflare wrote: I'm just going to wait for the other half of the game to participate instead. There's only so much shit you can give, and only so much conversation you want to start, when 4-5 people have even bothered to check the thread. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
Thus the entirety of the case (at that point) becomes irrelevant. There's nothing for ls and vivax to weigh in on in that respect because not only have you shut it down in your own mind but for the majority of the thread too. The thing that bugs me is that I'd think a town hapa would ask vivax/ls (what about the whole thread?) first and THEN post that tidbit afterwards to get more reads. I just find it came at a really weird spot when only 5? people out of 9 have spoken. | ||
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Holyflare
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Holyflare
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LightningStrike
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iamperfection
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Vote Count LightningStrike (0) : Vivax (0) : Damdred (1) : Holyflare Not voting (8) :Onegu, Vivax, Rels, Damdred, Bill Murray, LightningStrike, Hapahauli, Alakaslam Currently, no one is set to be lynched! The day phase will end at Tuesday, Jan 17 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00). remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch If you see any vote out of place, let us know! | ||
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