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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 22 2017 22:54 GMT
#1641
I am very conflicted
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 22 2017 22:54 GMT
#1642
18 hours 5 minutes and change
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 22 2017 22:55 GMT
#1643
(T)Flash
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 22 2017 22:56 GMT
#1644
On January 23 2017 07:49 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2017 23:27 Onegu wrote:
On January 22 2017 23:23 Holyflare wrote:
I literally do not care anymore if that's how you want to play. Cya in 2 days



It's what happens with this game type, the possibility of getting mvp or points becomes more important than winning.

@BM any questions let me know.

Why shouldnt i vote someone who is appealing to statistics? You talk about " points " like I care . The only thing I care about is a Win vs a loss



No I think the point of this game since it is a qualifier is to get points or MVP not necessarily win if you want to go to the next round, winning is a good cherry on top though. I want to go to the next round. Therefore making the play that would get me the most points or MVP is the correct play for me. I currently am around 75% scum on HF. But even if I was only 10% on HF being scum I would still vote him as it is the play that has the most +EV to get me to the next round.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 22 2017 22:57 GMT
#1645
Idgaf about points I care about winning so ur not gonna even get me to read that shit or care about it
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 22 2017 22:57 GMT
#1646
You're just giving me more reason to vote you
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 22 2017 22:58 GMT
#1647
You're saying if I'm scum you'd vote hf anyways and I'm arguing with you what does that tell you
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 22 2017 22:59 GMT
#1648
On January 23 2017 07:53 Bill Murray wrote:
With you all both claiming healer I could just park my vote and AFK even if you all both unclaimed or one unclaimed or whatever I don't really care it makes you all have had a cc... thing is I'm VT so I'm confused who is mafia and who is my teammate



Then you have to ask yourself which one makes more sense. My fake claim or HF counter Fake claim. My claim makes sense from a town point of view wanting points. HF counter claim doesnt make much sense coming from town. If he is town and gets shot he takes himself out of lylo.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 22 2017 22:59 GMT
#1649
I am also here. You should be able to get a clear picture from the last few pages that onegu is voting me out of necessity and not because he actually mafia reads me.

He's said he's keeping his vote on me for points but then during points he tries to appeal to you multiple times as if it's a scum read. It doesn't make sense.

There's a lot of things I've done this game that incredibly make me town and onegu knows this (i mentioned it in the last page) but he's insistent on not even going over it.

The rels kill n1 was increasingly likely a combination of medic dodge and because rels started to scum read onegu.

Onegu has fought for my life multiple times in this game but never actually town read me. His reason was simply that he's better at reading me later. Now that excuse has finally ended it has become no real read and he's doing it for points.

His fake claim leaving lots of time before deadline looks increasingly like a medic bait into him carrying as "confirmed" if nobody ccd. He was forced to drop it because i fake ccd but no doubt in my mind he continues it if i didn't.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 22 2017 23:00 GMT
#1650
On January 23 2017 07:58 Bill Murray wrote:
You're saying if I'm scum you'd vote hf anyways and I'm arguing with you what does that tell you



yes I am saying even if I was 90% sure you were scum I would still vote HF and try to get you to vote with me on the 10% chance that he was scum.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 22 2017 23:02 GMT
#1651
If you didn't he would have easily won
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 22 2017 23:03 GMT
#1652
On January 23 2017 07:59 Holyflare wrote:
I am also here. You should be able to get a clear picture from the last few pages that onegu is voting me out of necessity and not because he actually mafia reads me.

He's said he's keeping his vote on me for points but then during points he tries to appeal to you multiple times as if it's a scum read. It doesn't make sense.

There's a lot of things I've done this game that incredibly make me town and onegu knows this (i mentioned it in the last page) but he's insistent on not even going over it.

The rels kill n1 was increasingly likely a combination of medic dodge and because rels started to scum read onegu.

Onegu has fought for my life multiple times in this game but never actually town read me. His reason was simply that he's better at reading me later. Now that excuse has finally ended it has become no real read and he's doing it for points.

His fake claim leaving lots of time before deadline looks increasingly like a medic bait into him carrying as "confirmed" if nobody ccd. He was forced to drop it because i fake ccd but no doubt in my mind he continues it if i didn't.



If I was scum why is it necessary for me to vote you? It isnt.

All day I have said you are scum. I give you 75%. My point is I wouldnt vote BM even if I thought he was scum.

I am scum reading you. I gave reasons they are in my filter.

No I am town and would have unclaimed at deadline.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 22 2017 23:03 GMT
#1653
And that, ladies and gentleman, is why onegu is mafia. His play is so subpar that he can't even make up reasons to mafia read me

Thank you for literally doing the work for me.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
January 22 2017 23:04 GMT
#1654
On January 23 2017 08:03 Holyflare wrote:
And that, ladies and gentleman, is why onegu is mafia. His play is so subpar that he can't even make up reasons to mafia read me

Thank you for literally doing the work for me.



Read my filter they are there. You are just ignoring them. You dont fake CC as town. You just dont.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 22 2017 23:05 GMT
#1655
Bm is sitting here asking for reasons to vote one or the other. Your reason is you want points regardless as if to psyche him out that you'd only make this play as town because your content just simply doesn't exist.

You reference multiple times that you have a reason to scum read me. Link them and I'll demolish them. If they're purely about the cc it's a totally good play to stop you fake claiming your way to victory as mafia too.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 22 2017 23:05 GMT
#1656
On January 23 2017 08:00 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2017 07:58 Bill Murray wrote:
You're saying if I'm scum you'd vote hf anyways and I'm arguing with you what does that tell you



yes I am saying even if I was 90% sure you were scum I would still vote HF and try to get you to vote with me on the 10% chance that he was scum.

What does this tell you about me?
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 22 2017 23:06 GMT
#1657
On January 23 2017 08:05 Holyflare wrote:
Bm is sitting here asking for reasons to vote one or the other. Your reason is you want points regardless as if to psyche him out that you'd only make this play as town because your content just simply doesn't exist.

You reference multiple times that you have a reason to scum read me. Link them and I'll demolish them. If they're purely about the cc it's a totally good play to stop you fake claiming your way to victory as mafia too.

Yes do this
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 22 2017 23:06 GMT
#1658
On January 23 2017 05:07 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2017 05:03 Onegu wrote:
On January 23 2017 04:57 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu, you need to prove to BM that I do this fake claim as mafia by outlining where in my history of mafia games that I have fake claimed or fake cc'd anything. I guarantee you will find 0 because I do not stick my neck out as mafia like that and make things hazy in the balance. I play a solid game and just win it through yelling.

Fake ccing and fake claiming is my staple town play and you know it onegu. Literally the last lylo we played together we had this EXACTTTTTTTT same conversation and it was so blatantly obviously attributed to my town play.




you didnt fake claim or fake cc in GIF. What game are you talking about?


We had the entire conversation as how my mafia play is entirely conservative (with a lot of yelling, yes) but I don't ever stick my neck out, I don't make suboptimal plays like shooting LS at night in that game and I don't fake claim or fake cc ever. Mahrgell was pushing that me fake claiming blue night 1 was a mafia strategy and I point out that I've NEVER fake claimed as mafia and he got wrecked.

Now suddenly I make suboptimal plays as mafia by lynching LS instead of hapa, fake ccing, being tunneled as fuck but easily dropping stuff for no reasons.

yet you have no recollection of that game conversation?

Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
January 22 2017 23:07 GMT
#1659
On January 23 2017 08:04 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2017 08:03 Holyflare wrote:
And that, ladies and gentleman, is why onegu is mafia. His play is so subpar that he can't even make up reasons to mafia read me

Thank you for literally doing the work for me.



Read my filter they are there. You are just ignoring them. You dont fake CC as town. You just dont.

Why not? I've done it
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
January 22 2017 23:08 GMT
#1660
My post is quite literally damning. Your only reason to scum read me is something you know I'd never do as mafia because we had this conversation 1 mafia game ago!!!
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