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On January 19 2017 00:45 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2017 00:44 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
rels can I get you expert opinion? can you translate what vivax is saying for me since you seemed to agree with him d1? Why do you not understand ? Vivax is clear on why he's suspecting you. On one argument (Vivax voted LS) you claim he read a sentence wrong. On the other (the Damdred TMI stuff) you claim it doesn't make sense. I get the sentence thing because I badly worded it. I don't get the damdred thing at all. That's what I want you to explain to me.
It's been explained a lot. That's still why I'm not confident calling you town TBF.
LS says scum!Damdred never hard townread him.
Hapa ignores that fact 'cause it is not a good thing to take into account for him.
You attacked him saying he should have take it into account.
That's weird. But what's even weirder is that you don't take it into account yourself. Or if you do like you later said you did, it's not strong at all. So it's weird that it makes Hapa scum in your mind.
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On January 19 2017 00:47 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think you're really that likely to be mafia vivax. I just want to END the fight by trying to get you to talk it out with you. I'm literally sitting here trying to avoid a fight while you want it instead.
As our dear host would say, I'm not here to hold hands and sing kumbaya. I'm here to lynch someone. Whether our conversation is cordial or not, what does it change that I think you are mafia and want to lynch you for it?
Walk me through your plans for the next day actually cause I don't even know who you believe is mafia, it doesn't really shine through the entire argument.
I'll talk with you about your scumreads, but not about my scumread on you. We can keep that up forever. I might even reconsider when I feel less pumped, but then it's not cause you ask me to.
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On January 19 2017 00:50 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2017 00:41 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:32 Vivax wrote:On January 19 2017 00:31 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:25 Vivax wrote:On January 19 2017 00:23 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:19 Vivax wrote:On January 19 2017 00:17 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:14 Vivax wrote:On January 19 2017 00:13 Rels wrote:
Rereading Hapa's reaction, he's mad at you when he's forced to vote LS over HF to not have a mislynch. And he's saying you're the one responsible for it And how does that make sense when I was posing resistance to that lynch? It makes 100% sense. If your vote was kept on HF it was super likely the lynch Wouldn't that mean you only lynched LS cause HF wasn't the lynch and not cause you believed what Damdred said? We're talking about Hapa's POV here. And yeah, I was way more open to switching after you voted Hapa. So anyone could have come in and say "methinks X is scum" and you would switch to him along with everyone just cause there was one less vote on HF? well obviously since I didn't switch to Hapa when you did, that's not as clear cut as what you're saying Thanks. That leads me to the point. Why did LS get lynched? Cause there was one less vote on HF, or cause people actually believed LS is scum based on some random lazy posts by Damdred and HF? From Hapa POV, it makes total sense. And it's kinda true too. I think if you stay on HF HF gets lynched yesterday. On the grand scheme of things, OK your switch shouldn't have been the reason a player is not lynched. But in this game I don't think HF escapes lynch if you don't switch. On that post Hapa says he's staying on HF even if you're voting him: On January 18 2017 02:20 Hapahauli wrote:
No bargains. I'm on Holyflare until the bitter end. Then he's forced tro switch to LS. That's where his madness comes from. It's understandable. After talking to you he again changed his mind. It's not hard to understand. His mindset makes sense. I just have a really hard time picturing my vote being such a big factor in the switch to LS as I didn't see anyone switch to LS cause of the unvote, but cause Damdred and HF called for it. But if you say it's what it must have looked like for Hapa, I'll take this into consideration at face value.
your vote created a wave, it turned the tide to hapa being the lynch instead of me but people were town reading both me and hapa and more so hapa at the time and didn't want him lynched and you didn't push your points hard enough
I read hapa's past scum games that he linked and saw there was quite a big difference between his over defensive posts there and his actual attempts to question things here so decided on the spur of the moment that I wanted to give him more time to talk.
Someone asked me who I wanted to lynch instead of hapa and I remembered LS's bad vote on me because he said he disliked hapa more over me but voted me because of no reason. I delved deeper and highlighted about 8 posts of LS's that were contradictory to what he was saying and organised the switch based on good reasons.
now we're here
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So Rels what do you say about HF calling Slam scum? To me Onegu scum looks like the road of least resistance for a mafia but then again, it could be cuz I'm scumreading HF.
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... To me Onegu + Slam scum ...
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On January 19 2017 00:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2017 00:45 Holyflare wrote:On January 19 2017 00:44 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
rels can I get you expert opinion? can you translate what vivax is saying for me since you seemed to agree with him d1? Why do you not understand ? Vivax is clear on why he's suspecting you. On one argument (Vivax voted LS) you claim he read a sentence wrong. On the other (the Damdred TMI stuff) you claim it doesn't make sense. I get the sentence thing because I badly worded it. I don't get the damdred thing at all. That's what I want you to explain to me. It's been explained a lot. That's still why I'm not confident calling you town TBF. LS says scum!Damdred never hard townread him. Hapa ignores that fact 'cause it is not a good thing to take into account for him. You attacked him saying he should have take it into account. That's weird. But what's even weirder is that you don't take it into account yourself. Or if you do like you later said you did, it's not strong at all. So it's weird that it makes Hapa scum in your mind.
Hapa ignored that fact and didn't say he was ignoring it.
Hapa SCUM read LS or at least pointed out posts that indicated that too
I was speaking about damdred games where he afks as town too.
Hapa doesn't take any of that into account.
Hapa's points were simply that damdred was afk/sheeping me.
Hapa was ignoring thread relevant information that directly contradicted his scum read of damdred and didn't care. There was also more information in the thread to go on that he didn't care about in his read. And then complained that there wasn't enough info to go on.
Vivax's point is that I should have thought damdred is mafia. I thought damdred was a coin flip.
I don't care about if the meta read was right or not I was caring that hapa has not acknowledged anything in the game about damdred. Since then he's filled me in on his thought process and he said he did acknowledge it but didn't say anything. Which is completely different and he never said previously and is what I took issue with.
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On January 19 2017 00:58 Vivax wrote:
So Rels what do you say about HF calling Slam scum? To me Onegu scum looks like the road of least resistance for a mafia but then again, it could be cuz I'm scumreading HF.
rels called slam scum after me like 3 pages ago
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HF why Slam over damdred ?
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On January 19 2017 01:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2017 00:53 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:45 Holyflare wrote:On January 19 2017 00:44 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
rels can I get you expert opinion? can you translate what vivax is saying for me since you seemed to agree with him d1? Why do you not understand ? Vivax is clear on why he's suspecting you. On one argument (Vivax voted LS) you claim he read a sentence wrong. On the other (the Damdred TMI stuff) you claim it doesn't make sense. I get the sentence thing because I badly worded it. I don't get the damdred thing at all. That's what I want you to explain to me. It's been explained a lot. That's still why I'm not confident calling you town TBF. LS says scum!Damdred never hard townread him. Hapa ignores that fact 'cause it is not a good thing to take into account for him. You attacked him saying he should have take it into account. That's weird. But what's even weirder is that you don't take it into account yourself. Or if you do like you later said you did, it's not strong at all. So it's weird that it makes Hapa scum in your mind. Hapa ignored that fact and didn't say he was ignoring it. Hapa SCUM read LS or at least pointed out posts that indicated that too I was speaking about damdred games where he afks as town too. Hapa doesn't take any of that into account. Hapa's points were simply that damdred was afk/sheeping me. Hapa was ignoring thread relevant information that directly contradicted his scum read of damdred and didn't care. There was also more information in the thread to go on that he didn't care about in his read. And then complained that there wasn't enough info to go on. Vivax's point is that I should have thought damdred is mafia. I thought damdred was a coin flip. I don't care about if the meta read was right or not I was caring that hapa has not acknowledged anything in the game about damdred. Since then he's filled me in on his thought process and he said he did acknowledge it but didn't say anything. Which is completely different and he never said previously and is what I took issue with.
bear in mind this was 10 hours into d1 and was basically the only thing to go on at the time
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On January 19 2017 00:58 Vivax wrote:
So Rels what do you say about HF calling Slam scum? To me Onegu scum looks like the road of least resistance for a mafia but then again, it could be cuz I'm scumreading HF.
Nothing. Depends on why he thinks Slam is scum.
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On January 19 2017 00:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2017 00:45 Holyflare wrote:On January 19 2017 00:44 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
rels can I get you expert opinion? can you translate what vivax is saying for me since you seemed to agree with him d1? Why do you not understand ? Vivax is clear on why he's suspecting you. On one argument (Vivax voted LS) you claim he read a sentence wrong. On the other (the Damdred TMI stuff) you claim it doesn't make sense. I get the sentence thing because I badly worded it. I don't get the damdred thing at all. That's what I want you to explain to me. It's been explained a lot. That's still why I'm not confident calling you town TBF. LS says scum!Damdred never hard townread him. Hapa ignores that fact 'cause it is not a good thing to take into account for him. You attacked him saying he should have take it into account. That's weird. But what's even weirder is that you don't take it into account yourself. Or if you do like you later said you did, it's not strong at all. So it's weird that it makes Hapa scum in your mind.
You still missed the two points I made:
1) For Hapa, it wasn't even about HOW Damdred read LS. It was THAT Damdred only read LS.
Yet HF argued about the HOW, not the THAT.
2) For HF to think what he thought, he must have reasoned like this:
"If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia".
Cause he said:
Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred
Which implies that Damdred should be read one way or another for it.
Which HF can only think when he thinks:
"If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia".
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On January 19 2017 01:02 Rels wrote:
HF why Slam over damdred ?
because damdred voted ls with me and I liked that he did (pretty sure he saw the contradiction at the same time as me) whereas slam promised to do some scum hunting and has followed the same sentiment as onegu about "leaving the good people alive" but not actually taking stances on their alignment. Slam also said not to lynch any of us but immediately was fine jumping onto me when I'm pretty sure I already had majority and he was complaining about it whilst doing nothing.
It heavily hints to him knowing I'm town and complaining pre-flip about something that he doesn't want to change to get a mislynch.
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On January 19 2017 01:01 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2017 00:58 Vivax wrote:
So Rels what do you say about HF calling Slam scum? To me Onegu scum looks like the road of least resistance for a mafia but then again, it could be cuz I'm scumreading HF. rels called slam scum after me like 3 pages ago
On January 19 2017 01:03 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2017 00:58 Vivax wrote:
So Rels what do you say about HF calling Slam scum? To me Onegu scum looks like the road of least resistance for a mafia but then again, it could be cuz I'm scumreading HF. Nothing. Depends on why he thinks Slam is scum.
And I remember how I said I townread Slam at EoD and Rels agreed with me.
And now he doesn't or what?
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On January 19 2017 01:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2017 00:53 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:45 Holyflare wrote:On January 19 2017 00:44 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
rels can I get you expert opinion? can you translate what vivax is saying for me since you seemed to agree with him d1? Why do you not understand ? Vivax is clear on why he's suspecting you. On one argument (Vivax voted LS) you claim he read a sentence wrong. On the other (the Damdred TMI stuff) you claim it doesn't make sense. I get the sentence thing because I badly worded it. I don't get the damdred thing at all. That's what I want you to explain to me. It's been explained a lot. That's still why I'm not confident calling you town TBF. LS says scum!Damdred never hard townread him. Hapa ignores that fact 'cause it is not a good thing to take into account for him. You attacked him saying he should have take it into account. That's weird. But what's even weirder is that you don't take it into account yourself. Or if you do like you later said you did, it's not strong at all. So it's weird that it makes Hapa scum in your mind. You still missed the two points I made: 1) For Hapa, it wasn't even about HOW Damdred read LS. It was THAT Damdred only read LS. Yet HF argued about the HOW, not the THAT. 2) For HF to think what he thought, he must have reasoned like this: Cause he said: Show nested quote +Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred Which implies that Damdred should be read one way or another for it. Which HF can only think when he thinks:
this sentence you have quoted here:
Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred
does not equal what you say here:
"If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia".
because damdred hard town read LS (which is something he never did as mafia, therefore damdred is likely to be town (if you put weight in meta reads, which hapa does))
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and I guess I kind of do a bit
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On January 19 2017 01:05 Holyflare wrote:because damdred voted ls with me and I liked that he did (pretty sure he saw the contradiction at the same time as me) whereas slam promised to do some scum hunting and has followed the same sentiment as onegu about "leaving the good people alive" but not actually taking stances on their alignment. Slam also said not to lynch any of us but immediately was fine jumping onto me when I'm pretty sure I already had majority and he was complaining about it whilst doing nothing. It heavily hints to him knowing I'm town and complaining pre-flip about something that he doesn't want to change to get a mislynch.
And it doesn't bother you that Damdred had 3 posts before deadline, voting LS who he supposedly read very well, then goes "I was wrong" and GTFO ?
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On January 19 2017 01:09 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2017 01:05 Holyflare wrote:On January 19 2017 01:02 Rels wrote:
HF why Slam over damdred ? because damdred voted ls with me and I liked that he did (pretty sure he saw the contradiction at the same time as me) whereas slam promised to do some scum hunting and has followed the same sentiment as onegu about "leaving the good people alive" but not actually taking stances on their alignment. Slam also said not to lynch any of us but immediately was fine jumping onto me when I'm pretty sure I already had majority and he was complaining about it whilst doing nothing. It heavily hints to him knowing I'm town and complaining pre-flip about something that he doesn't want to change to get a mislynch. And it doesn't bother you that Damdred had 3 posts before deadline, voting LS who he supposedly read very well, then goes "I was wrong" and GTFO ?
yeh but if it's a choice between those three people I'd pick the people who did nothing and called me town without actually calling me town
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because damdred hard town read LS (which is something he never did as mafia, therefore damdred is likely to be town (if you put weight in meta reads, which hapa does))
Damdred hard town read LS.
He doesn't do it as mafia.
Therefore Damdred is town.
Is always wrong when Damdred is town.
And only right when Damdred is mafia.
So you must have believed that Damdred was mafia for you to think that.
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On January 19 2017 01:07 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2017 01:04 Vivax wrote:On January 19 2017 00:53 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:45 Holyflare wrote:On January 19 2017 00:44 Rels wrote:On January 19 2017 00:34 Holyflare wrote:
rels can I get you expert opinion? can you translate what vivax is saying for me since you seemed to agree with him d1? Why do you not understand ? Vivax is clear on why he's suspecting you. On one argument (Vivax voted LS) you claim he read a sentence wrong. On the other (the Damdred TMI stuff) you claim it doesn't make sense. I get the sentence thing because I badly worded it. I don't get the damdred thing at all. That's what I want you to explain to me. It's been explained a lot. That's still why I'm not confident calling you town TBF. LS says scum!Damdred never hard townread him. Hapa ignores that fact 'cause it is not a good thing to take into account for him. You attacked him saying he should have take it into account. That's weird. But what's even weirder is that you don't take it into account yourself. Or if you do like you later said you did, it's not strong at all. So it's weird that it makes Hapa scum in your mind. You still missed the two points I made: 1) For Hapa, it wasn't even about HOW Damdred read LS. It was THAT Damdred only read LS. Yet HF argued about the HOW, not the THAT. 2) For HF to think what he thought, he must have reasoned like this: "If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia". Cause he said: Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred Which implies that Damdred should be read one way or another for it. Which HF can only think when he thinks: "If Damdred is mafia he's reading LS town, ergo he's not mafia". this sentence you have quoted here: Show nested quote +Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred does not equal what you say here: because damdred hard town read LS (which is something he never did as mafia, therefore damdred is likely to be town (if you put weight in meta reads, which hapa does))
see that's the bit that isn't right vivax because you've read the sentence wrong
Damdred has NEVER hard town read LS as mafia damdred.
I say that.
I don't say mafia damdred has never town read LS as mafia damdred. Which is what you're implying I do.
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On January 19 2017 01:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +because damdred hard town read LS (which is something he never did as mafia, therefore damdred is likely to be town (if you put weight in meta reads, which hapa does))
Damdred hard town read LS. He doesn't do it as mafia. Therefore Damdred is town. Is always wrong when Damdred is town. And only right when Damdred is mafia. So you must have believed that Damdred was mafia for you to think that.
what.....................................................?
like what
your english has really let you down here
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