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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 16:17 GMT
#679
I can outline one point for why I think HF is scum:

He used an argument that must mean he thought "Damdred is mafia and he townread LS so Damdred isn't mafia" against Hapa.

And when he used it, it wasn't even very relevant to Hapa pointing out that it was simply the closest thing to a real read Damdred had.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 16:20 GMT
#684
On January 18 2017 01:19 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:17 Vivax wrote:
I can outline one point for why I think HF is scum:

He used an argument that must mean he thought "Damdred is mafia and he townread LS so Damdred isn't mafia" against Hapa.

And when he used it, it wasn't even very relevant to Hapa pointing out that it was simply the closest thing to a real read Damdred had.


you're so full of shit

post it so i can destroy you


I already posted it one hundred times it's just that it seems to be hard to comprehend.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 16:23 GMT
#690
On January 17 2017 23:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 23:08 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 23:01 Vivax wrote:
On January 17 2017 22:58 Rels wrote:
On January 17 2017 22:51 Vivax wrote:
And Rels is in the room too of course. For its own reasons that 1gu also agreed with, not cause he's looking like he's pulling with HF on the same string, as tempting as that argumentation would be.

What's your read on each other anyways?

Town.
Your reasons are bad. Onegu reasons are bad. Stop being bad.


Bad reasons are still better than no reason how the hell can you townread HF so confidently it's not like your first game on the site.

And I just displayed twice or thrice how he made a nonsense argument on Hapa and you just overlook it.

I don't townread HF confidelty. I think I'll never townread HF confidently 'cause he's a super good scum. He seems town for now though. The way he pressured Damdred at the beginning then stopped. The way he expressed having lots of people he wants to lynch. And he's seeing the same things I do on Hapa's filter.


And I have just shown how he made an argument that only makes sense for someone believing or knowing that Damdred is mafia.

Damdred is town cause he hard townread LS and he only does that as mafia, is more or less what he said.

I repeat what I said earlier, with the most important parts onyl quoted:

What HF said:
Show nested quote +
Hapa doesn't acknowledge that LS has said that Damdred has never hard town read LS as mafia damdred


In response to Hapa:

Show nested quote +
The only thing he's been vocal about is a read on lightning strike (which he made in response to my various lines of questioning during the game). Other than that, his read on me last night sort of morphs and changes with whatever HolyFlare was posting at the time.


from HFs perspective it looks like:

Hapa is scumreading Damdred cause his only read of own volition was LS.

Hapa shouldn't cause LS said mafia Damdred never hard town reads him.

Damdred is mafia and hard townreads LS, ergo he is not mafia.

Might be TMI shining through here. But either way HFs entire Damdred read seems foul.




Now if you can explain that away in a credible way I will be able to believe that you are townreading HF, but until then, the line of reasoning he used doesn't make sense to me. I don't see how anyone townie can say that.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 16:26 GMT
#693
On January 18 2017 01:23 Holyflare wrote:
ok i'm going to try something new

outline a few key points on why hapa is town for me
i'll outline a few on why he's mafia

we'll meet in the middle


I realize this might be directed at Rels but.
I don't want this to be between you and Hapa but between you and Damdred.

And in regards to Damdred you also have made very little sense the entire game.

You said that he rolls over and dies as town and that's your only reason to believe he isn't mafia when to me his filter screams a lot that he is, since it's void of scumhunting.

Hapa seems to realize that and you don't.
Which is a further reason for me to not trust you, but find Hapa more believable.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 16:39 GMT
#703
HF I read the post where you talk from your perspective but found it to miss my point. The point I made was that you replied to Hapa that he was supposed to update his opinion based on that Damdred/LS meta. Yet the update would only be feasible if Damdred is actually mafia, which you shouldn't know and don't believe.

And not only that, Hapa didn't have any beef with the read itself, just that it was the only read he could find. So you also missed the point there.

And I can name a difference between Damdred and Hapa. While you seem so intent on underlining that they both seem lost, the difference is that one tried to do something about it and the other didn't.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 16:50 GMT
#718
If Hapa is mafia then for the argument about thread direction cause one third of that thread direction was a vote by HF that was obviously not serious.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 16:52 GMT
#720
Addendum: It was one of the reasons he unvoted Damdred for.

And it's a pretty bad reason in my opinion given that the wagon had at most three people, one of them with a meaningless vote. So speaking of thread direction is a stretch.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 16:59 GMT
#728
The thought just occurred to me that mafia isn't trying to lynch Damdred.

Hapa doesn't want to lynch Damdred.
Rels doesn't.
HF doesn't.

These are the guys I'm wondering about being scum mostly for the moment.

Nobody except me seems to do. I'm like an open arms invitation to a Damdred mislynch since any scummer will know I'm supporting it and will try to put as much weight as possible behind it.

And that's fishy.

And LS looks fishy too cause he simply isn't around.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 17:00 GMT
#729
On January 18 2017 01:56 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:52 Vivax wrote:
Addendum: It was one of the reasons he unvoted Damdred for.

And it's a pretty bad reason in my opinion given that the wagon had at most three people, one of them with a meaningless vote. So speaking of thread direction is a stretch.

Disagree about that. Damdred had 3 votes but it looked like it was gonna the default lynch. Especially after the post swhere Damdred goes "I'm gonna be AFK after XXX, if you wanna lynch me then go for it". From Hapa PoV I don't think that's weird to think Damdred was gonna be a default lynch that was gonna result in a ML, since he was voting him but was not super convinced about him


And I disagree about two votes looking like a default lynch as Hapa would know that HF was likely to change his vote.

Two votes with a full roster really don't a default lynch make.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 17:00 GMT
#732
Make it one vote as one of the two besides me was Hapa himself.

That makes the argument absolutely ridiculous actually.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 17:06 GMT
#738
On January 18 2017 02:03 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 01:59 Vivax wrote:
The thought just occurred to me that mafia isn't trying to lynch Damdred.

Hapa doesn't want to lynch Damdred.
Rels doesn't.
HF doesn't.

These are the guys I'm wondering about being scum mostly for the moment.

Nobody except me seems to do. I'm like an open arms invitation to a Damdred mislynch since any scummer will know I'm supporting it and will try to put as much weight as possible behind it.

And that's fishy.

And LS looks fishy too cause he simply isn't around.


I think everyone in the thread would "settle" for a Damdred lynch, which I dislike a lot.

I don't think mafia has been pushing much of anything, mostly because they haven't had to.


Why would you dislike it if it's obvious that mafia isn't pushing him, as I am the only one?

If HF is mafia and Damdred isn't, why is nobody besides me trying to bring more attention to Damdred?

HF himself not trying to deflect the lynch off himself onto Damdred looks townie at glance but I treat it as wifom.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 17:09 GMT
#746
On January 18 2017 02:07 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:06 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:03 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:59 Vivax wrote:
The thought just occurred to me that mafia isn't trying to lynch Damdred.

Hapa doesn't want to lynch Damdred.
Rels doesn't.
HF doesn't.

These are the guys I'm wondering about being scum mostly for the moment.

Nobody except me seems to do. I'm like an open arms invitation to a Damdred mislynch since any scummer will know I'm supporting it and will try to put as much weight as possible behind it.

And that's fishy.

And LS looks fishy too cause he simply isn't around.


I think everyone in the thread would "settle" for a Damdred lynch, which I dislike a lot.

I don't think mafia has been pushing much of anything, mostly because they haven't had to.


Why would you dislike it if it's obvious that mafia isn't pushing him, as I am the only one?

If HF is mafia and Damdred isn't, why is nobody besides me trying to bring more attention to Damdred?

HF himself not trying to deflect the lynch off himself onto Damdred looks townie at glance but I treat it as wifom.

hf tunneled onto hapa all game and still


Yes but I have offered him plenty of opportunity to jump on Damdred and he didn't. He didn't eat the bait.
And I don't see why you continue that line when I just said it's wifom.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 17:11 GMT
#756
Since when are people with 3 pages of filter considered coinflips?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 17:14 GMT
#767
On January 18 2017 02:10 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:06 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:03 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:59 Vivax wrote:
The thought just occurred to me that mafia isn't trying to lynch Damdred.

Hapa doesn't want to lynch Damdred.
Rels doesn't.
HF doesn't.

These are the guys I'm wondering about being scum mostly for the moment.

Nobody except me seems to do. I'm like an open arms invitation to a Damdred mislynch since any scummer will know I'm supporting it and will try to put as much weight as possible behind it.

And that's fishy.

And LS looks fishy too cause he simply isn't around.


I think everyone in the thread would "settle" for a Damdred lynch, which I dislike a lot.

I don't think mafia has been pushing much of anything, mostly because they haven't had to.


Why would you dislike it if it's obvious that mafia isn't pushing him, as I am the only one?

If HF is mafia and Damdred isn't, why is nobody besides me trying to bring more attention to Damdred?

HF himself not trying to deflect the lynch off himself onto Damdred looks townie at glance but I treat it as wifom.


It's too early to say where HF will ultimately have his vote after today.

Because Damdred is an inactive coinflip. I've said this earlier. And based on how the thread direction was before the Holyflare stuff, there was nothing else being pushed except for Damdred. As if mafia was comfortable letting that happen. That's no bueno to me.


On January 17 2017 02:02 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 01:56 Rels wrote:
Hapa I might be tunneled. But again all of these questions seem pointless to me. They look good but won't add anything meaningful. Not the Vivax one, but the other two


What I'm ultimately trying to get at with Damdred, is that I feel he's been a non-entity this game. The contributions he has made have not been of his own volition, but have been from his responses to people questioning him.

The only thing he's been vocal about is a read on lightning strike (which he made in response to my various lines of questioning during the game). Other than that, his read on me last night sort of morphs and changes with whatever HolyFlare was posting at the time.

The question on you was because I was looking into Vivax's case, which still doesn't make much sense to me.


So what you said earlier as if it had any meaning suddenly is all made up cause the guy you had an opinion on became an inactive coinflip cause reasons?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 17:15 GMT
#772
##Unvote
##Vote HapaHauli
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 17:19 GMT
#784
On January 18 2017 02:17 Bill Murray wrote:
a thought that just made me laugh... what if hapa and hf are both maf ... hahahaa that would be nuts


Not unlikely.

What this game currently lacks is leverage. We don't really have a club of votes to swing at new content cause Slam and 1gu aren't here.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 17:20 GMT
#789
On January 18 2017 02:19 Rels wrote:
Hapa is a bad lynch. If he is scum he tryharded when he didn't need to. And apparently he's a bad scum


You're doing it for the third time I can count. You're ignoring new evidence.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 17:21 GMT
#798
On January 18 2017 02:14 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2017 02:10 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:06 Vivax wrote:
On January 18 2017 02:03 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 18 2017 01:59 Vivax wrote:
The thought just occurred to me that mafia isn't trying to lynch Damdred.

Hapa doesn't want to lynch Damdred.
Rels doesn't.
HF doesn't.

These are the guys I'm wondering about being scum mostly for the moment.

Nobody except me seems to do. I'm like an open arms invitation to a Damdred mislynch since any scummer will know I'm supporting it and will try to put as much weight as possible behind it.

And that's fishy.

And LS looks fishy too cause he simply isn't around.


I think everyone in the thread would "settle" for a Damdred lynch, which I dislike a lot.

I don't think mafia has been pushing much of anything, mostly because they haven't had to.


Why would you dislike it if it's obvious that mafia isn't pushing him, as I am the only one?

If HF is mafia and Damdred isn't, why is nobody besides me trying to bring more attention to Damdred?

HF himself not trying to deflect the lynch off himself onto Damdred looks townie at glance but I treat it as wifom.


It's too early to say where HF will ultimately have his vote after today.

Because Damdred is an inactive coinflip. I've said this earlier. And based on how the thread direction was before the Holyflare stuff, there was nothing else being pushed except for Damdred. As if mafia was comfortable letting that happen. That's no bueno to me.


Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 02:02 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 17 2017 01:56 Rels wrote:
Hapa I might be tunneled. But again all of these questions seem pointless to me. They look good but won't add anything meaningful. Not the Vivax one, but the other two


What I'm ultimately trying to get at with Damdred, is that I feel he's been a non-entity this game. The contributions he has made have not been of his own volition, but have been from his responses to people questioning him.

The only thing he's been vocal about is a read on lightning strike (which he made in response to my various lines of questioning during the game). Other than that, his read on me last night sort of morphs and changes with whatever HolyFlare was posting at the time.

The question on you was because I was looking into Vivax's case, which still doesn't make much sense to me.


So what you said earlier as if it had any meaning suddenly is all made up cause the guy you had an opinion on became an inactive coinflip cause reasons?

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 17:22 GMT
#802
I curse the day TL introduced the new format btw, you need 3d goggles to read nested quotes and the timestamps are gone.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22237 Posts
January 17 2017 17:23 GMT
#806
On January 18 2017 02:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
So what you said earlier as if it had any meaning suddenly is all made up cause the guy you had an opinion on became an inactive coinflip cause reasons?


Damdred posted quite a bit between those two posts you quoted. My read progressed from seeing him as a non-entity, to seeing him as an inactive coinflip after his responses to pressure and his subsequent inactivity until now.


How would that invalidate your former points?
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