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Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 08 2017 19:32 GMT
#921
On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote:
btdt is scum flailing

If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.

I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.

If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.



I don't think the scum team is Boston/ BTDT/ ME. The latter two make sense and I'm having a hard time finding fault with my arguments against them. With Boston, however, BTDT trying to get Boston lynched doesn't strike me as optimal scum play for SvS. I think the last mafia is more likely to be among the null people. Most likely one of KSC/ Onegu/ Vivax.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 08 2017 19:33 GMT
#922
BTDT's only purpose this game is to make everyone more tilted than a fat kid on a seesaw.
MichaelEhrmantraut
Profile Joined December 2016
35 Posts
January 08 2017 19:49 GMT
#923
On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote:
btdt is scum flailing

If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.

I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.

If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.


Why have you been pressuring me for a read ? I don't understand it. I'll give you my read, when I have one. Instead go read the thread and look at people who claimed they had a read and haven't given one. You are actually behaving exactly like squishy when it comes to asking people for reads.
MichaelEhrmantraut
Profile Joined December 2016
35 Posts
January 08 2017 19:54 GMT
#924
On January 09 2017 03:27 Calix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 03:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
On January 09 2017 02:35 Calix wrote:
On January 09 2017 02:23 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
I have something to add about B0ston. I don't know if this has been missed.

On January 08 2017 07:12 B0stonSC wrote:
Well that seems rather sorted. is Instalynch a thing on this site?


If you are town why would you want an instalynch when there's a CC ? I think that holds for a lot of other people too. And Grack was one of the most vocal people here.

On January 08 2017 21:00 Calix wrote:
Although ME's large post was good tone-wise, his actions are questionable especially with his vote and wanting to "hold it until EOD" (before voting for Grack) which makes no sense for town to do (it literally makes you harder to read - a non-town trait). There is no reason to do that just for a vote at the end of a large wagon on a counterclaimed person and the fact that he leaves it until the very end of the day means that he doesn't have to explain why he preferred Grack > BTDT or give us much information re: votes/ people he wants dead.


I wanted to hold it until EOD because i was reading through the posts, and to me Grack didn't look scum. I couldn't come up with anything conclusive about anyone else. And since you can't abstain here, I just voted. As such my one vote wasn't going to make any difference except give away information at that point.



Wait wtf.

Why are you concerned about "giving away information" with your votes if you're town?!

That's mafia rationale.

I don't agree with your assessment. I would've readily abstained if I was given the choice. You focus on the part that suits your argument the most.


You literally say in your post "my vote wasn't going to make a difference except give away information". I'm asking you what motivation town has to hide information regarding votes because I do not see one at all. It is irrelevant whether you technically abstained by not voting or not because that still denies town information which you said was your motivation for abstaining.

It doesn't make sense for VT or blue because scum cannot discern roles from how people vote so that leaves one possibility which is mafia.

I had a misconception about the night phase, I thought we are not allowed to post during the night phase ( in an RL game you can't talk during night ...), so I thought that applied to this forum too. So, I thought why would you give away information just before night, because the topic would be locked up, until the next day phase.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 08 2017 19:56 GMT
#925
On January 09 2017 04:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote:
btdt is scum flailing

If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.

I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.

If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.


Why have you been pressuring me for a read ? I don't understand it. I'll give you my read, when I have one. Instead go read the thread and look at people who claimed they had a read and haven't given one. You are actually behaving exactly like squishy when it comes to asking people for reads.


"Don't look at my scummy behaviour, go look for people who are doing this other scummy thing instead!"

Who falls under your criteria of "claims to have a read without giving one" exactly?

Also lol at "why are you pressuring me for reads" in a game about analysing players by what they write.
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 08 2017 19:56 GMT
#926
On January 09 2017 04:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote:
btdt is scum flailing

If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.

I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.

If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.


Why have you been pressuring me for a read ? I don't understand it. I'll give you my read, when I have one. Instead go read the thread and look at people who claimed they had a read and haven't given one. You are actually behaving exactly like squishy when it comes to asking people for reads.


or you can explain why the fuck you have no reads after the day 1 shit.

everyone else has given them in one form or another so dont dodge the question at hand
Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 08 2017 19:58 GMT
#927
So if we're all in agreement that BTDT is long overdue for being mounted on a fence post, who do you think among potential scum is up for the following vote? B0ston and ME are the obvious choices but like Calix said I can't help but think at least one of the mafia is actively mucking the thread up. Granted this guy has his work cut out for him at the moment.
We CAN have nice things
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 08 2017 19:58 GMT
#928
On January 09 2017 04:54 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 03:27 Calix wrote:
On January 09 2017 03:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
On January 09 2017 02:35 Calix wrote:
On January 09 2017 02:23 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
I have something to add about B0ston. I don't know if this has been missed.

On January 08 2017 07:12 B0stonSC wrote:
Well that seems rather sorted. is Instalynch a thing on this site?


If you are town why would you want an instalynch when there's a CC ? I think that holds for a lot of other people too. And Grack was one of the most vocal people here.

On January 08 2017 21:00 Calix wrote:
Although ME's large post was good tone-wise, his actions are questionable especially with his vote and wanting to "hold it until EOD" (before voting for Grack) which makes no sense for town to do (it literally makes you harder to read - a non-town trait). There is no reason to do that just for a vote at the end of a large wagon on a counterclaimed person and the fact that he leaves it until the very end of the day means that he doesn't have to explain why he preferred Grack > BTDT or give us much information re: votes/ people he wants dead.


I wanted to hold it until EOD because i was reading through the posts, and to me Grack didn't look scum. I couldn't come up with anything conclusive about anyone else. And since you can't abstain here, I just voted. As such my one vote wasn't going to make any difference except give away information at that point.



Wait wtf.

Why are you concerned about "giving away information" with your votes if you're town?!

That's mafia rationale.

I don't agree with your assessment. I would've readily abstained if I was given the choice. You focus on the part that suits your argument the most.


You literally say in your post "my vote wasn't going to make a difference except give away information". I'm asking you what motivation town has to hide information regarding votes because I do not see one at all. It is irrelevant whether you technically abstained by not voting or not because that still denies town information which you said was your motivation for abstaining.

It doesn't make sense for VT or blue because scum cannot discern roles from how people vote so that leaves one possibility which is mafia.

I had a misconception about the night phase, I thought we are not allowed to post during the night phase ( in an RL game you can't talk during night ...), so I thought that applied to this forum too. So, I thought why would you give away information just before night, because the topic would be locked up, until the next day phase.


But what information would be gained from you voting for someone that would help scum exactly?

Correct me if I'm wrong since I haven't played RL mafia but I find the insinuation that scummers use VCA to determine their night kills hilarious.
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 08 2017 19:59 GMT
#929
On January 09 2017 04:49 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 04:21 SilverWolf77 wrote:
btdt is scum flailing

If he's town he needs a game ban after this for griefing and borderline game throwing.

I have asked ME for reads twice now and he's ignored me. I say we lynch him after btdt. B0ston after that.

If these 3 are the scumteam, I wouldn't be surprised.


Why have you been pressuring me for a read ? I don't understand it. I'll give you my read, when I have one. Instead go read the thread and look at people who claimed they had a read and haven't given one. You are actually behaving exactly like squishy when it comes to asking people for reads.


Have you ever played forum mafia before? Asking for reads is a big part of the game and the fact that you don't like be asked and don't want to contribute to the game is either scum and/or someone who shouldn't be playing.
SilverWolf77
Profile Joined January 2017
United States114 Posts
January 08 2017 20:00 GMT
#930
Also, all you are doing is defending yourself which is also scummy.
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 08 2017 20:03 GMT
#931
On January 09 2017 04:58 Kmatt wrote:
So if we're all in agreement that BTDT is long overdue for being mounted on a fence post, who do you think among potential scum is up for the following vote? B0ston and ME are the obvious choices but like Calix said I can't help but think at least one of the mafia is actively mucking the thread up. Granted this guy has his work cut out for him at the moment.


I want ME dead. At best hes scum. at worst hes a town who needs to learn to play forum mafia.

I am being blunt on this issue too: if you cant get reads or dont like being pressure or stuff like that, then dont be here. This is a game of convincing and pressuring and talking. If you cant handle some heat, then you dont need to be in the kitchen.
Calix
Profile Joined August 2016
3379 Posts
January 08 2017 20:03 GMT
#932
On January 09 2017 04:58 Kmatt wrote:
So if we're all in agreement that BTDT is long overdue for being mounted on a fence post, who do you think among potential scum is up for the following vote? B0ston and ME are the obvious choices but like Calix said I can't help but think at least one of the mafia is actively mucking the thread up. Granted this guy has his work cut out for him at the moment.


I want to hear your opinion first since this looks like a way to create doubt among the active players otherwise.

I for one do not think that the majority of the mafia are active. That's the simplest answer as scum have incentive to not post when town are arguing among each other and paranoia isn't going to help. We should focus on the lurkers/ players skirting by since they have a higher chance of being scum and seeing what people say about the lurkers will reveal more about the actives anyway.
Kmatt
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1019 Posts
January 08 2017 20:07 GMT
#933
On January 09 2017 04:54 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 03:27 Calix wrote:
On January 09 2017 03:20 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
On January 09 2017 02:35 Calix wrote:
On January 09 2017 02:23 MichaelEhrmantraut wrote:
I have something to add about B0ston. I don't know if this has been missed.

On January 08 2017 07:12 B0stonSC wrote:
Well that seems rather sorted. is Instalynch a thing on this site?


If you are town why would you want an instalynch when there's a CC ? I think that holds for a lot of other people too. And Grack was one of the most vocal people here.

On January 08 2017 21:00 Calix wrote:
Although ME's large post was good tone-wise, his actions are questionable especially with his vote and wanting to "hold it until EOD" (before voting for Grack) which makes no sense for town to do (it literally makes you harder to read - a non-town trait). There is no reason to do that just for a vote at the end of a large wagon on a counterclaimed person and the fact that he leaves it until the very end of the day means that he doesn't have to explain why he preferred Grack > BTDT or give us much information re: votes/ people he wants dead.


I wanted to hold it until EOD because i was reading through the posts, and to me Grack didn't look scum. I couldn't come up with anything conclusive about anyone else. And since you can't abstain here, I just voted. As such my one vote wasn't going to make any difference except give away information at that point.



Wait wtf.

Why are you concerned about "giving away information" with your votes if you're town?!

That's mafia rationale.

I don't agree with your assessment. I would've readily abstained if I was given the choice. You focus on the part that suits your argument the most.


You literally say in your post "my vote wasn't going to make a difference except give away information". I'm asking you what motivation town has to hide information regarding votes because I do not see one at all. It is irrelevant whether you technically abstained by not voting or not because that still denies town information which you said was your motivation for abstaining.

It doesn't make sense for VT or blue because scum cannot discern roles from how people vote so that leaves one possibility which is mafia.

I had a misconception about the night phase, I thought we are not allowed to post during the night phase ( in an RL game you can't talk during night ...), so I thought that applied to this forum too. So, I thought why would you give away information just before night, because the topic would be locked up, until the next day phase.


Due to pressing ceremonial concerns I will refrain from passing judgement on that account.
We CAN have nice things
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
January 08 2017 20:08 GMT
#934
On January 09 2017 04:15 ika42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 04:12 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 09 2017 04:04 darthfoley wrote:
(I don't believe you)

Tell me why I would counter claim the Doctor as mafia when I can safely kill him during the night phase.


becasue you can get him lynched?

i was aboutt o go apeshit on the fact you were claiming cop next

That only makes sense if I am the counterwagon (which I wasn't) OR one of my scum team members is the counter wagon (which would mean that the other lynchees are also scum).

Because why would I sacrifice myself for the Doctor in this scenario? Doesn't make sense. It was a bold move from town!btdt and you can either believe it and go on with it or throw away the D2 lynch. Grackdoc would've been dead anyways, latest N1.

This is boring.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
January 08 2017 20:09 GMT
#935
Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who

a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and
b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)

I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 08 2017 20:13 GMT
#936
On January 09 2017 05:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 04:15 ika42 wrote:
On January 09 2017 04:12 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 09 2017 04:04 darthfoley wrote:
(I don't believe you)

Tell me why I would counter claim the Doctor as mafia when I can safely kill him during the night phase.


becasue you can get him lynched?

i was aboutt o go apeshit on the fact you were claiming cop next

That only makes sense if I am the counterwagon (which I wasn't) OR one of my scum team members is the counter wagon (which would mean that the other lynchees are also scum).

Because why would I sacrifice myself for the Doctor in this scenario? Doesn't make sense. It was a bold move from town!btdt and you can either believe it and go on with it or throw away the D2 lynch. Grackdoc would've been dead anyways, latest N1.

This is boring.


WIFOM argument

WIFOM arugment

you avoided the big point of we would have doc speaking and a cop would knwo that a doc is possible.
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 08 2017 20:13 GMT
#937
On January 09 2017 05:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who

a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and
b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)

I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D


you would get no cred if they are scum because of what you pulled
ika42
Profile Joined January 2017
260 Posts
January 08 2017 20:17 GMT
#938
On January 09 2017 05:13 ika42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 05:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who

a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and
b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)

I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D


you would get no cred if they are scum because of what you pulled


the fact is that even if they are scum, you get no cred based on the fact you had to play a borderline greifing/gamethrowing move to just prove your point.

If one must basically play such shit to be right/get their reads, they are doing something wrong.

Im going to watch AGDQ cus this is jsut gonna piss me off further
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 08 2017 20:18 GMT
#939
On January 09 2017 05:09 beentheredonethat wrote:
Once I flipped Cop, you guys should really look into the people who

a) said my counter claim would be town (because that's subtle TMI, looking at you here, Vivax) and
b) people who want to see me dead at all cost (see darthfoley)

I think darthfoley and Vivax are scum together and I will get my post-game credits for that along with the "what a bad move to make as town" stuff I'm gonna get for sure :D


People who want you dead at all cost? What the fuck are you talking about dude?

So the people who think you town claimed are mafia, and the people who think you're more likely mafia are also mafia. I guess everyone is mafia

All while you're also cop and VT. Cool, man.
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
beentheredonethat
Profile Joined May 2016
2934 Posts
January 08 2017 20:22 GMT
#940
On January 09 2017 05:13 ika42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 05:08 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 09 2017 04:15 ika42 wrote:
On January 09 2017 04:12 beentheredonethat wrote:
On January 09 2017 04:04 darthfoley wrote:
(I don't believe you)

Tell me why I would counter claim the Doctor as mafia when I can safely kill him during the night phase.


becasue you can get him lynched?

i was aboutt o go apeshit on the fact you were claiming cop next

That only makes sense if I am the counterwagon (which I wasn't) OR one of my scum team members is the counter wagon (which would mean that the other lynchees are also scum).

Because why would I sacrifice myself for the Doctor in this scenario? Doesn't make sense. It was a bold move from town!btdt and you can either believe it and go on with it or throw away the D2 lynch. Grackdoc would've been dead anyways, latest N1.

This is boring.


WIFOM argument

WIFOM arugment

you avoided the big point of we would have doc speaking and a cop would knwo that a doc is possible.

Please quote this post and apologize for your bad judgement ("WIFOM") once I have flipped.
"Micro tricks like marine splitting, blink stalker micro, and ling/baneling wars were the apex of the game’s achievements; nothing in the world takes your breath away like watching a pro player split marines like a god."
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