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On January 08 2017 13:04 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:
Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little?
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This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand.
Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:
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But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem.
Now you answer for ika? Isn't that supposed to make you scummy?
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On January 08 2017 13:02 ika42 wrote:
also kmatt is now town
What makes you say that?
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On January 08 2017 13:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:04 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:
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Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted.
His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.
Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:
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No, I don't know the guy
Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem. Now you answer for ika? Isn't that supposed to make you scummy?
I was answering for myself. You mentioned myself and ika in this post.
You know what. I'm signing off for a bit. This game is very, very annoying to me right now.
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On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:What makes you say that?
you town slipped that it was vet or cop
scums knwo setup
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On January 08 2017 13:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:04 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:
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Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted.
His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.
Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:
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No, I don't know the guy
Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem. Now you answer for ika? Isn't that supposed to make you scummy?
well you mentioned her and i answered for myself that you responded to so i dont get why you are even trying to take this angle
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On January 08 2017 13:17 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:11 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 13:04 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:
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Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:
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Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem. Now you answer for ika? Isn't that supposed to make you scummy? I was answering for myself. You mentioned myself and ika in this post. You know what. I'm signing off for a bit. This game is very, very annoying to me right now.
Look. I apologize that I might be coming across as very unfriendly. But I want both of you to understand that you also came across like that earlier, even though you might not realize it. And I am allergic to ika coming in and suddenly trying to put the blame on Grack for how he played, as I don't see at all how he would deserve that, and it's also pretty rude to talk like that about dead players as they can't talk for themselves anymore and then read these things. Which is one of the reasons I call him full of himself.
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On January 08 2017 13:10 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:00 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, 1) for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. 2)But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. 3) Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. 4)But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. 1) how do i know you are town? i dont 2) it makes little sense FMPOV to have someone as null but question the person who is slight scum reading them. Your post give implications that you had a town read on me so no misrepresntation 3) what question? if you quote it i will gladly answer it. 4) plz read my post before you even try to take that high ground cus i said and quote I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read I accepted i was wrong already but grack is equal blame. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:
Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little?
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This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand.
Fend yourself, Foley. Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted. His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful. Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:
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But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. He called both of us town. there is no friendship bias. if you want a reason why i town read her i can make a post about it. whats your read on em and silverwolf right now though?
1) You don't, but Grack did so that's one of the reasons that it's uncalled for you to take a crap on a dead player's skill.
2) I told you at the time that I didn't have a townread on you and it wasn't enough. You kept trying to cram into my mouth that I called you town somewhere.
3) It's quoted in the same post you are answering to.
4) Whether we are good or bad is not the answer I'm looking for in this game right now but I don't take it lightly when you question how a dead player played. It's not on him that he got lynched, it's on the people voting for him.[/QUOTE]
1) if you get lynched you (and as i have said, the voters) did something wrong simple as that. I am merely venting about how he complained when he did nothing to fix it.
2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there
3) i read it twice and see now question unless it was a statement in witch case point it out plz
4) its both the player and the voters fault as i have said.
furthermore its is a players fault becasue they were scummy enough to be voted and pushed though on a lynch. if you dont like it that i am merely venting then thats your problem. not mine
it goes both ways when someoen is lynched. if the player is town then one of the following happened
A) they were too scummy and not town enough to avoid being scum read and invedtibly lycnhed
B) they got CC and failed to make themselfs town enough to win the CC
now we can continue this stupidity of our own beliefs on how one played or we can talk about the game
i ask again, what is your read on me and do you still want me to town case silver?
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On January 08 2017 13:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:17 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 13:11 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 13:04 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 08 2017 12:50 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 12:33 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:04 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 09:02 darthfoley wrote:
Give me one reason not to fucking lynch btdt The only one I can think of is that he's tilting and throwing as town. But it's still a nobrainer to do it and he will get my vote no matter what. Really sad that grack, a player I've known since Game of Thrones mafia and who has clearly shown his skill this game, had to go cause of him. I would love to see where he showed his "skills" cus TBH, all he did was keep aruging with me about the town read on you and then at EOD complained how me/SW are running the show and when i then asked him to show it or asked him what hes doing to fix that he went "lets not do it again" I mean, the fact he got run up and had to claim already shows enough. Yes the voters are at fault too, but frankly, if you have a town read on someone and someone ask to elaborate or substance it, it should not be a fight over it. Its anti-town and does nothing but stall the game and makes it look like you have a fabricated read /end rant You and SW caused a lot of ruckus in the wrong places, for example on me and Grack who both happen to be townies. But you think Grack should be blamed for being frustrated at you and SW, when it's perfectly understandable as both of you also misrepresented me as defending you and asked me loaded questions and then reprimanded me for not answering them. Plus you are also full of yourself and a big hypocrite cause when I asked you a question you denied me the answer. But if you think you are so good all you have to do is look at the lynch you supported. On January 06 2017 23:07 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 22:56 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 22:28 ika42 wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:
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I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol
But you have seen ikas meta yes? how come you are acting like i am town? How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? On January 06 2017 22:35 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:
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She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude.
It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol.
It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. Yea scum try to appear useful. This is why I focused on ika compared to someone like Onegu. Ika started the game with this useful looking questionnaire thing that everyone agrees is NAI for everyone-- but it gets people talking! Since that post it's basically been chummy with KSC and SW. I just feel like everything else in this game could've happened without using the questionnaire, which reminds me of the "appearance of utility" meta point. Do you have any opinion of Grack or Calix atm? Grack no opinion yet, as for calix I just let her do her thing as she's active and keeps delivering her view of the game. Right now I'm mostly waiting for you and Kelsier to post more as your posts are what I'm concentrating the most on at the moment. So do you actually believe you have something on ika or not? That he tried to appear useful with the questionnaire is I think not an argument you mentioned earlier. i asked you a question, i do not expect a question in return. I expect an answer. If you have a question after that then you can ask. Grack suspected you and SW are working together in some ways, and so asked for a case for SW being town cause so far you didn't bring forth anything that suggests that it is what you think, or that you have in thread reasons for thinking that. Keep the friendship bias to a minimum if you want a good game that everyone can enjoy in equal measure, that's what I'm asking of you politely. I think this is extremely rude, uncalled for, and frankly untrue. Town can be wrong and often are. Grack never said he thought we were working together. He called us both town and then asked a townread to explain another townread on a townread basically because he didn't want to answer ika's question and was being argumentative about it. If you are gonna accuse us of friendship bias, look in the mirror. I am not trying to make the game unenjoyable. I have never attacked anyone. I've given reads and explained scumreads in detail and been active. Sorry for being wrong on my first lynch on a new site. Whatever. And Grack spent pages in pointless arguing with ika. That's not productive or helpful. I have nothing against him and actually like his sense of humor but you acting like he's God's gift to mafia and you can't believe we scumread him or you for that matter when you both played scummy, is not my problem. Now you answer for ika? Isn't that supposed to make you scummy? I was answering for myself. You mentioned myself and ika in this post. You know what. I'm signing off for a bit. This game is very, very annoying to me right now. Look. I apologize that I might be coming across as very unfriendly. But I want both of you to understand that you also came across like that earlier, even though you might not realize it. And I am allergic to ika coming in and suddenly trying to put the blame on Grack for how he played, as I don't see at all how he would deserve that, and it's also pretty rude to talk like that about dead players as they can't talk for themselves anymore and then read these things. Which is one of the reasons I call him full of himself.
Look, if im rude its not intentional.
If i feel like someon played badly im gonna call it out and then move on.
Am i being blunt on the issue? yes
can he defend himsefl? no
am i gonna keep this up all game long and rail on him? no
im just annoyed that he was indeed doc and FMPOV and how i feel is that he played poorly.
does this mean hes a bad player? no
does this mean i want nothing to do with him? no
do i have adivce for him come post game and later? yes if he wants to hear it
im bulnt and to the point overall. i know im not perfect and frankly i find myself being the least full person you can get to know. I do have strong beliefs on certain aspects on game theory and stuff but in general i dont say (nor have i said or am implying in any way) "OMG YOU SUCK" "DONT PLAY AGAIN" "WOW SHIT TEIR PLAYER"
i feel like how he went about the game overall and everything was not a pro-town manner. Simple as that. if you think what he did was pro-town then thats your belief. its very easy to agree to disagree about overall "is it town play or not"
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ok im signing out cus at this point im still tilted and just need something to relax.
im also tired and when i get tired my spelling becomes less and less manageble
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3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this:
How does that question have anything to do with your alignment?
Which question? This question:
But you have seen ikas meta yes?
2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there
How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now.
My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me.
For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act.
To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is :
+ Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit.
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On January 08 2017 13:20 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:16 Kmatt wrote:On January 08 2017 13:02 ika42 wrote:
also kmatt is now town What makes you say that? you town slipped that it was vet or cop scums knwo setup
That was just my brain autocorrecting. You can see I was referring to both possible blues as "active" roles. I even explain it <10 posts up.
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On January 08 2017 12:40 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 12:26 ika42 wrote:On January 08 2017 09:42 Kmatt wrote:
Yeah we have an active PR in either a cop or vet, if you have something to say might as well get it out there. its cop or vig.... Right Vig not Vet. Easy for me to mix up. When I think of "Veteran" I think of Gran Torino. Get off my lawn you dirty mafia and all that.
Okay more like 20 close enough.
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Just FYI 100% we lynch btdt tomorrow. Even though I give btdt a 30% chance of being scum. He has to be lynched. It is a terrible play as scum as scum could just shoot him. The only way it becomes a ok play is if they think the lynch would go from grack to a actual scum player. Even then its not great as btdt wasnt being looked at. I think it comes from town more often than not who thinks he will save the actual doctor from having to CC and then lynch scum and eat a bullet. Wanting to make the hero play. But this play needs to be punished. Plus a 30% chance to hit scum is fine.
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On January 08 2017 13:40 Vivax wrote:3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this: Which question? This question: 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now. My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me. For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act. To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is : + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit.
2) then explain to me why you interject yourself on the questioning cus you basicly abolished me of answering and the way you went about it has an implication that you were reading me as town.
i mean i feel like this is circular but let me rephrase:
the questions you were asking really only make sense FMPOV is that you were reading me as town. the fact you were not makes me question it.
As for the SW thing, i would like to see more quotes where you think she was backing off cus from what i have seen she never has nor did.
Add in the fact shes actually signing off for the night because shes on tilt tells me shes biting back on snapping your head off witch is of itself one of her town tells.
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On January 08 2017 14:15 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 13:40 Vivax wrote:3) You need to open the nested quotes ika. Then it takes quite a bit of habit to learn to read that and find what you want, but the question was this: How does that question have anything to do with your alignment? Which question? This question: But you have seen ikas meta yes? 2) nope thats not what i said, i said you were implying i am town based on how you acted. theres a difference there How did I act? I asked Darthfoley out about his read on you. You think that implies a townread on you? Sorry, it doesn't. Hope that's out of the way now. My read on you anyhow is that you're probs town. I mean, you clearly care about the game. You seem interested into digging into things and so on. You also get emotional about the outcome. Overall that seems townie to me. For SW my read isn't as strong yet. The way she accused me of defending you earlier simply felt very unfair and like she was just trying to put words into my mouth. Then at some point she came back and the tone of the post sounded very different, so I found that a bit odd. It was somewhat less aggressive. Could be scum indicative as it would mean that her earlier conviction into what she accused me for was only a temporary act. To finish the post, I'm going to leave her at nullish/scummish for the time being. The post I found odd cause of the change in tonality is : + Show Spoiler +On January 07 2017 00:02 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 23:40 Vivax wrote:
I don't have a read on ika so far and I don't need to have one to question darthfoley's read on him. No, you don't have to have a read on ika to say darthfoley's read on him is bad. I agree. The problem I have is the way you are doing it. Basically, ika no longer has to answer the suspicion because you interjected. Not only interjected but also defended ika by asking if darthfoley has his meta and implying that ika's questions are not scummy. You have a right to have an opinion on ika's questioning but the way you are doing it is very protective of ika. If you have no read of ika, this doesn't make much sense. I guess my gut just pinged hard off of that and also I think you interjected when someone was questioning someone else-I think Calix pointed this out already. Anyway, from my experience, scum like to do this because they get towncred for defending people they know are town. It's way too early to have a super strong opinion on someone's alignment, unless you know that alignment. Doesn't mean we can't have reads. We certainly can. But when I would of preferred to see ika answer the suspicion and engage with darth rather than have you interject. Sorry if I'm not explaining myself well. I'm tired and rambling right now. Be back in a little bit. 2) then explain to me why you interject yourself on the questioning cus you basicly abolished me of answering and the way you went about it has an implication that you were reading me as town. i mean i feel like this is circular but let me rephrase: the questions you were asking really only make sense FMPOV is that you were reading me as town. the fact you were not makes me question it. As for the SW thing, i would like to see more quotes where you think she was backing off cus from what i have seen she never has nor did. Add in the fact shes actually signing off for the night because shes on tilt tells me shes biting back on snapping your head off witch is of itself one of her town tells.
Well I claim that you are just seeing things and nowhere did I intend to imply that I was reading you as town. I'll leave it at that cause apparently you are not going to believe me no matter what so if you intend to use that as an argument that I'm mafia at some point feel free to do so but in the context of the entire game I think it's pretty obvious to most that I'm not, so it's not that important to me any more.
I also didn't abolish you from answering anything as I can question DFs read on you and that doesn't mean that you cannot reply to it any more just cause I also talked about his post.
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
On January 08 2017 06:55 reps)squishy wrote:
I have found Grack suspicious in the past. Now he claims doctor. Then BTDT claims doctor as well. I do not think both of them are town. I do not like the disorder Grack has created in past. I believe it was a scummy move to create confusion and prevent progress. I have to go work in a few minutes so I am firmly going to vote for Grack.
##Unvote
##Vote Grackaroni
Which in my opinion and a bunch of others (Calix, Grack) is a scummy post.
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As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff
i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons:
1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now
2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself.
3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you.
4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results.
4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her
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On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now 2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her
Or you could just write a case for her being town like you said you would if asked. Don't see why I'm the only one who's supposed to deliver here.
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On January 08 2017 15:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote:
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now 2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her Or you could just write a case for her being town like you said you would if asked. Don't see why I'm the only one who's supposed to deliver here.
just did didnt i? also my previous post to you was talking about why she is town.
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On January 08 2017 15:50 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 15:38 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 15:33 ika42 wrote:
As for the SW thingy all you have to do is look at the posts directed at me previous to that post when it looked to me like she adopted a less accusative tone and posted rather extensively. It was actually one of the better posts of the series as it wasn't just a bunch of accusations. But either way I don't put too much weight into this read and I prefer to reserve judgement on SW for now so I'm not going to quote the posts as I don't see the use for that now.
When I actually make a case I will quote relevant posts, cause after we're done with BTDT I'd like to draw attention to this one:
Im just gonna address this primary because the rest is just going to be cirular if i continue on the ohter stuff i want to hear the case now and the quote that say such things for sevral reasons: 1) shes my top town read so i want to sort that out for anyone who has doubts now 2) in the post you quoted there she has self admitted to being tired that could explain the tone post itself. 3) If she backed down on you at any point its because she has found a stronger scum read to peruse. Maybe she was satisfied with what she saw form you and decided to drop it and then town read you. 4) if she accused you of something and you responded to it then she must be satisfied with it. If she didn't follow up you should point it out cus the only time i have ever seen her back down (town or scum) is when shes satisfied with her results. 4a) her scum game would prob just be going at you till the cows come home. the fact she has backed down means shes satisfied with what she was poking on about and decided to scum hunt elsewhere which is a town indicator of her Or you could just write a case for her being town like you said you would if asked. Don't see why I'm the only one who's supposed to deliver here. just did didnt i? also my previous post to you was talking about why she is town.
In that case I have to disappoint you, I can't write a case on someone I'm not convinced enough on to scumread. All I can say is that I don't really see things that make her lock town so far, and the way she backed down from attacking me in what I felt was a hefty way is the only thing that came to mind as to why she could be scum, so I mentioned it.
I'm happy for now with taking it at face value what you say cause you know her better. It won't do enough for me to put her as lock town but I can at least treat her as someone I don't have to worry about for now.
I'll rather focus my efforts on squishy for now. Would really want some more opinions on that post.
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On January 08 2017 06:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2017 06:40 reps)squishy wrote:On January 08 2017 06:30 Vivax wrote:On January 08 2017 06:25 Vivax wrote:
So saying that darthfoley's read on ika looks forced equivals telling darthfoley to back off ika? What the hell is wrong with people's logic in this game? Squishyyyyyyyy Like I said let people argue. It is the only way for information to unravel. If someone wants to lynch them, then you can make a counter argument. Stopping a simple argument is suspicious in my eyes. You are dodging the main issue: 1) I can call someone scum for a read he makes. That doesn't stop his discussion with anyone else. 2) Calling his read on Ika forced doesn't equival defending Ika. If I told him "Your read on Ika is wrong, he's town" I'd be defending Ika.
1) You reserve the right to call someone scum for a read someone makes; it is actually important. Recognize the time that it comes does influence the direction it will go.
Scenario 1- Player A makes argument/claim vs player B, player B defends himself against player A, then player C critics either A's argument/claim or comes to B's defense.
Scenario 2- Player A makes argument vs player B, Player C critiques player A's argument/claim or defends player B before player B defends him/herself.
2) You are correct! But it prevents progress, a clear goal of the mafia.
So I feel that you are guilty of Scenario 2. And why I do not like Scenario two is because any accusation could look absurd or "forced" if you do not hear a player's defense of him/herself. Critiquing someone's argument or claim prematurely prevents reads from unraveling whether it is a town or scum read.
Here is the suspicious post in my opinion. Below the quote I will put the post into scenario format for clarity purposes.
On January 06 2017 23:07 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 14:13 Vivax wrote:Is there anyone here who actually didn't play mafia before, or just very very little? On January 06 2017 11:31 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:43 Calix wrote:
I sense I'll have an aneurysm at this rate.
DF, you seem sensible. What else have you noticed so far? I actually feel weird about ika. Asked the kinda useless questionnaire and has basically been bs'ing a bit since. Not a real read but I find his opening a little off This read looks forced. I mean, you will say it isn't a read I know, but we both know it kind of is. And to me it just looks like you were looking for someone to make look guilty easily to fulfill Calix demand. Fend yourself, Foley. Vivax-Why are you defending ika so early in the game?
Key: Player A: DF, Player B: Ika Player C:Vivax
When questioned by Calix
Player A (DF) Makes argument against Player B (Ika)
Before Player B (ika) Defends himself against player A (DF), Player C (Vivax) Critiques Player A's suspicions.
And as a result Ika never responded to DF.
I will reiterate my self. Vivax's premature defense of Ika prevented a potential read from being uncovered.
So that is why I think Vivax's defense of other players is scummy.
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