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SilverWolf77
United States114 Posts
On January 07 2017 13:15 Grackaroni wrote: I don't know whether this is serious or not but Onegu has done that in a lot of his games. It's not alignment specific for him. Can you show me where he's done it as scum? I've found this more often comes from town than scum. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On January 07 2017 13:23 SilverWolf77 wrote: Can you show me where he's done it as scum? I've found this more often comes from town than scum. Use this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database I checked the bottom 3 scum games excluding the pick your power one because that one revolves around people not being VT. It seems like he claims VT in every game. | ||
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SilverWolf77
United States114 Posts
On January 07 2017 13:26 Grackaroni wrote: Use this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database I checked the bottom 3 scum games excluding the pick your power one because that one revolves around people not being VT. It seems like he claims VT in every game. Thanks, I'll look it over. If he's done it as scum, then he's back to null for me. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
They just havent met me on this site yet. I am fairly certain most people on this site would say I am the most stubborn person on here... | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On January 07 2017 13:13 SilverWolf77 wrote: Yeah, I don't see scum making this post to be honest or claiming VT out of the gate. Ok newbies. I claim VT every game I play as my first post. I have done so as both scum and town... | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
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SilverWolf77
United States114 Posts
On January 07 2017 14:17 Onegu wrote: except some themed games where I cannot be VT but yeah all normal games I claim VT Why? | ||
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SilverWolf77
United States114 Posts
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
Because it's my thing... | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
Being proud that you're a stubborn arsehole ISN'T A GOOD THING. It just leads to these retarded arguments that we have to slog through. This is coming from me here. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On January 07 2017 15:33 SilverWolf77 wrote: @Calix-Last game you played with Grack was it similar to this and what was his alignment then? I've only ever seen him as town. Last game we played, he seemed more engaged with the thread events than he is here and had better points against his scum-reads (e.g., Koshi). However that game wasn't over the holiday period and I got into a shit-fight with him so I would have to reread. Then there was a game before that but I don't recall a lot about his play aside from his attempts to lynch HF as a counter-wagon to TT (D1 ML). I don't think him being stubborn is AI in this case if that's what you're asking. I think the way he's being stubborn this game is more overt than what I've seen because other than the argument we had in CM (which was mostly me accusing him, not the other way around), I don't recall him dragging out an issue to epic proportions. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
That argument was a massive time-waster and Grack did a great job with derailing the conversation and dragging out an irrelevant topic into a bigger thing than it should have been. Given that he didn't actually defend Vivax properly or do anything other than bicker with ika about "burden of proof" or what the fuck ever, this looks more like scumplay than a townie being a shitter. All of that could have been saved with a conclusive "Vivax is town because this post shows XYZ town motivations" and done, but instead we had like five pages dedicated to this. Not gonna lie, I started skimming midway through and don't think I missed any new information re: Grack, ika, SW. However I don't think that Grack/ Vivax are a scum team because it doesn't make sense for scum!Grack to be so stubborn about explaining his town-read on his team mate and do it so poorly (since it would convince nobody to switch off Vivax). I still think that the points against Vivax hold strong but Grack's defense (which doesn't actually do a good job at defending Vivax) is giving me cold feet. I'm currently thinking that there's a scummer among those two so I'll be rereading Vivax before EOD. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On January 07 2017 13:08 reps)squishy wrote: Grack are you trying to cause conflict deliberately. This looks like a scum thing to do because it causes disorder and chaos. Instead of trying to get leads it devolves into a huge argument over burden of proof. I argue to any townie please do not fall into this trap. Townpile. I like his posting, especially against Grack. Not necessarily in the sense that I 100% agree with him (although in this incident, I do agree that Grack's behaviour is chaos-causing). It's more because he's trying to engage with the thread events instead of avoiding them and the way he gives his reads is straightforward and clear. You get a good idea of how he operates when it comes to scum-hunting. | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On January 07 2017 14:02 Grackaroni wrote: Calix is going to laugh when she sees this. Then she's going to be all smug. Calix was right about something? Shocking. | ||
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cakepie
985 Posts
Vote Count Grackaroni (3) : KelsierSC, Kmatt, reps)squishy B0stonSC (2) : Calix, Onegu KelsierSC (2) : ika42, darthfoley Vivax (1) : SilverWolf77 Not voting (5) : B0stonSC, beentheredonethat, Grackaroni, MichaelEhrmantraut, Vivax Currently, Grackaroni is set to be lynched! The day phase will end at Sunday, Jan 08 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), about 12 hours from this post. remain as you are reading this. Remember, voting is mandatory! Place your votes in the voting thread. If you see any vote out of place, let us know! | ||
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Calix
3379 Posts
On January 07 2017 10:09 ika42 wrote: updated after running iso on the newbs im gonna get food bbl Why is Boston a null to you? Speaking more generally to you and DF, what's the rationale behind voting for KSC? I found DF's post to be interesting as an observation but I wouldn't vote for KSC based on that. Meanwhile I'm not seeing why you think KSC is scum or much talk about him from you. You call out Grack for not trying to convince people to lynch his scum-reads but you're being unclear with your KSC scum-read also. I think KSC's wagon is the most pure atm so pls explain where you're coming from in more detail. On January 07 2017 10:59 Grackaroni wrote: Ika please prove to me that you are not scum. As for the Grack thing, this was the initial response. Another example of snarky responses to reasonable questions. I fail to see town motivation for being stubborn for the sake of it when it comes to explaining a town-read that nobody agrees with. He later claims that he thinks the entire thing is stupid but given that he helped fuel the argument into a 5-page fiasco, that reasoning looks fake to me. People who think things are stupid don't continue to focus on the stupid thing when they could spend their time better on something more productive or just leave the thread. On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote: It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. Grack's later argument here, which I am inferring to be that explaining town-reads is pointless because it won't convince people, would be fine taken by itself. However when I look at his filter, it doesn't fit. Firstly, his filter has a load of town-reads in it and few scum-reads (and the two scum-reads he has suck because they don't show actual scum motivation). If he doesn't think that explaining town-reads will convince people then why would he spend so much time posting about them? Secondly, what's the point of saying "I'll explain my read once you've explained your town-read on SW" when he doesn't think that he can convince people of his read anyway and doesn't scum-read SW? Poor priorities at best, busywork at worst. Given everything else, I don't think he really believes what he's posting here. Thirdly, his filter is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. Most of it is devoted to the argument and his posts before that were weak town-reads and off-topic posts which don't do anything. I would vote for him over Vivax since Vivax was at least pushing the game forward when he was here while Grack hasn't. As for Boston, my reads here still apply so I'd like people to talk about him more before he comes back as the Grack argument sucked the air out of the room in terms of discussion focus. + Show Spoiler + On January 06 2017 15:53 Calix wrote: This post pings me but I can't really figure out why. Like he posts this 2-4 hours-ish into the game and starts off by apologising for not being around here earlier which is pretty weird for town to do. I can't imagine myself saying sorry for something as a first post kind of deal so I don't get why he would is what I'm getting at. On January 07 2017 07:28 Calix wrote: Boston is just in his own little world, detached from the thread and floating by without a single fuck given for all the other stuff going on. His entrance was terrible and his follow-up just reinforces my read. He is too hung up on a player who hasn't DONE anything and is relatively inactive with no reason given and doesn't talk about anything else. Furthermore, he's not actually following through on his Onegu read or vote with anything substantial or trying to convince people or caring much. He's just there. If we're going for someone low-activity then this is the most likely to hit scum atm. ##vote B0stonSC | ||
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SilverWolf77
United States114 Posts
Now, let's look at ika. I feel like his question was more town motivated. He was scumreading Vivax and didn't have a townread on Grack so he wanted to figure out why Grack strong townread someone he was scumreading and also wanted to engage and figure out Grack. His question accomplishes both these goals. This is clear town motivation. The argument looks like SvT with Grack being the S. | ||
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SilverWolf77
United States114 Posts
Grack looks like scum from his argument with ika. I also see merit in the B0stonSC scumreads because he is so nervous and uncomfortable and basically is not engaging the thread except to make excuses and was reluctant to answer questions as well until asked multiple times. He seems afraid to make waves. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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