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On January 07 2017 12:53 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:50 reps)squishy wrote:On January 07 2017 12:43 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Here's the deal. I've given reasoning for why I think Vivax is town. I've made it clear from the start that I'm not basing my read on any specific quotes and that for any case you could make for Silverwolf being town I could give a similar one for Vivax being town. My reads on the three of you are all for many of the same reasons.
You've listed silverwolf as town and given no reasoning whatsoever. You should be able to write a town case on Silver wolf and also refute me when I apply your reasoning on her to Vivax's posts. Nope, you have already stated you are townreading both myself and ika so there is no reason you need to see a case unless you disagree with the read or want a better one on ika. ika is asking you for a quote or two because he doesn't agree with your read and wants to understand it better, he also has not stated a townread on you and is scumreading Vivax You are antagonizing your townread and refusing to cooperate. If you don't want to elaborate on a read then just say you don't have a specific quote and be done with it.
Exactly! There is nothing wrong with "gut" feelings. But when it comes to good arguments versus "gut" feelings; I am going to choose the good argument. Litarly if he said his posts give him a "gut town read" none of this would happen but its not guts. He said the angles and his questioning so I am questioning that
The pushing angles I like thing is referring to him pushing Darthfoley. I liked that.
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On January 07 2017 12:40 reps)squishy wrote:[b]@Grackaroni/b] your evidence that Vivax was a townie was no different than just singling out his post like you can do here. Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:
If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. I have suspicions of vivax nothing AI otherwise I would have voted. But a failure to show that he is a townie makes my suspicions grow. Do we honestly need to vote for Vivax for you to finally give evidence he is a townie?
Well it would help in that I would be responding to specific charges from people justifying why he is suspicious.
I don't view pressuring somebody as something that prevents other people from asking questions, so the whole case against him is void for me.
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On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game.
Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely.
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On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely.
Lol
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On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely.
Grack are you trying to cause conflict deliberately. This looks like a scum thing to do because it causes disorder and chaos. Instead of trying to get leads it devolves into a huge argument over burden of proof. I argue to any townie please do not fall into this trap.
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On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely.
Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika.
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On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika.
God you know how to make me laugh...
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On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika.
lol I already made that challenge.
On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote:
And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly.
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On January 07 2017 13:11 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika. lol I already made that challenge. Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:53 Kmatt wrote:
And now that I'm caught up:
Grack, I don't know what you're trying to do here, but you're better off not. You can't just say "oh this guy is town" and then refuse to explain the read in detail. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, that's more scummy than having a scumread you won't elaborate.
If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly.
You realize that your stubbonness, if town, is super anti-town?
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On January 07 2017 13:12 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:11 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika. lol I already made that challenge. On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:
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If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly. You realize that your stubbonness, if town, is super anti-town?
Only when matched with equal stubbornness
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On January 07 2017 12:49 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:47 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Also, asking a person to prove they are town is the crappiest play out there as no one needs to prove that. If they are town they show it with their posting. If they can't, then they get lynched. It's as simple as that.
No I am town because I claimed VT...
Yeah, I don't see scum making this post to be honest or claiming VT out of the gate.
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##Vote Grackaroni
a utter failure to defend his town lead. Deliberate intent to derail the conversation from leads to who has burden of proof. I do not care who has burden of proof better arguments and evidence wins.
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On January 07 2017 13:13 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:49 Onegu wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Also, asking a person to prove they are town is the crappiest play out there as no one needs to prove that. If they are town they show it with their posting. If they can't, then they get lynched. It's as simple as that.
No I am town because I claimed VT... Yeah, I don't see scum making this post to be honest or claiming VT out of the gate.
I don't know whether this is serious or not but Onegu has done that in a lot of his games. It's not alignment specific for him.
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On January 07 2017 13:15 reps)squishy wrote:
##Vote Grackaroni
a utter failure to defend his town lead. Deliberate intent to derail the conversation from leads to who has burden of proof. I do not care who has burden of proof better arguments and evidence wins.
That's a lie. I body blocked him with my own life.
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On January 07 2017 13:13 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:12 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:11 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika. lol I already made that challenge. On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:
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No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly. You realize that your stubbonness, if town, is super anti-town? Only when matched with equal stubbornness
its the one who first refuses is at fault.
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On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely.
Grack can you focus on something else right now. I'm not particularly interested in another two pages of shit flinging, regardless of whose fault it is lol. Did you read my semi-case on KSC?
I don't agree with the people saying stubborn and/or sarcastic Grack is scum!Grack. For everyone who said earlier that mafia try to blend in, you're apparently scum reading Grack for the opposite now.
Rather interesting how one thing Grack said got blown out of proportion and now there's like 4 people pressuring him. It seems really opportunistic to me, particularly after Ika or SW started the pressure
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On January 07 2017 09:58 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 08:53 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 08:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 08:36 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote:
@Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol I don't know what you're referring to here since I explicitly said that I didn't care about AFKing on its own. Who exactly do you want lynched if not Boston or what have you? Well I think ME has done everything you're accusing B0ston of, but worse. I like reps' questions but I dont remember him having any concrete reads yet, which concerns me. I'm also waiting for Onegu/Kelsier/btdt to catch up and/post anything. I don't know why people are town reading Kelsier, he's a scum read for me at the moment Yeah and I have a scum-lean on ME although I don't get how he can do worse when he just exists. Actually read my posts so I don't have to repeat myself. I'm tired. Oh? For what reason? Regarding Kelsier I find the beginning of this post particularly awkward Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town.i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. It's a little too much explanation for a town read. Maybe this is unfair of me but he mentions how he should be on tomorrow (today) but I don't think he's posted once today. Real life can be a complicated though so idk. I also feel like he jumped on Vivax's questioning of me in scum fashion. Show nested quote +On January 06 2017 20:14 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:21 darthfoley wrote:
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Forced how? Of course it's a read, but it's a D1 read 3 hours in. Forgive me if i'm not wow'd by someone asking nebulous or irrelevant questions about self meta that could easily be bullshitted.
His play since is more trolly than I prefer, except regarding the point on Calix's scum play which is actually useful.
Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. I like this approach from vivax. Got Darth in the boat and he's still flopping around. [b]Darth i'm not looking for a list post from you at this point but do you have something more significant to contribute.[/] He tells me what he's not looking for which is a weird thing to say, while also trying to pressure me by saying in need to contribute something "more significant." Not only is that nebulous and vague, it's also really obvious. Everyone has to contribute meaningful things, and I think it's odd that he would accuse me of not doing that; I have been contributing more than most here. It almost seems like it should be a criticism leveled at someone like B0ston. The only other thing in his filter is that he doesn't like my "attitude" because of one post where I sounded defensive. That's like, your opinion man. Defensiveness is NAI imo so it's not a great point regardless. He also doesn't actually commit to any sort of read of me which is scummy considering the amount of attention he gives me
Those who are town reading KSC, why?
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On January 07 2017 13:16 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 13:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 13:12 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:11 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 13:09 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:47 Onegu wrote:
She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game. Let me just point out that this does not satisfy the requirements set forth, that you have now failed to meet the burden of proof, and you are dodging the question entirely. Oh good luck with this. There is no one more stubborn than ika. lol I already made that challenge. On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:
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If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly. You realize that your stubbonness, if town, is super anti-town? Only when matched with equal stubbornness its the one who first refuses is at fault.
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On January 07 2017 13:18 darthfoley wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 09:58 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 08:53 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 08:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 07 2017 08:36 Calix wrote:On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote:
@Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol I don't know what you're referring to here since I explicitly said that I didn't care about AFKing on its own. Who exactly do you want lynched if not Boston or what have you? Well I think ME has done everything you're accusing B0ston of, but worse. I like reps' questions but I dont remember him having any concrete reads yet, which concerns me. I'm also waiting for Onegu/Kelsier/btdt to catch up and/post anything. I don't know why people are town reading Kelsier, he's a scum read for me at the moment Yeah and I have a scum-lean on ME although I don't get how he can do worse when he just exists. Actually read my posts so I don't have to repeat myself. I'm tired. Oh? For what reason? Regarding Kelsier I find the beginning of this post particularly awkward On January 06 2017 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:57 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 06 2017 10:55 KelsierSC wrote:
so how you reading ika atm? Slight townread based on posting the questions to get us talking and his activity and interest in the game so far. But he may be just copying his town meta so I'm keeping an eye on him still. yeh...like if i was you that is what I would be thinking if I was town.i have to go into work tomorrow unfortunately but only for like 1hr so should be on tomorrow. I know it seems like i've just been jerking off in the thread, and whilst this is true I think Calix, silver and ika are probably town and everyone else is kind of blegh. Grak is mafia though, im pretty happy with my vote at the moment. It's a little too much explanation for a town read. Maybe this is unfair of me but he mentions how he should be on tomorrow (today) but I don't think he's posted once today. Real life can be a complicated though so idk. I also feel like he jumped on Vivax's questioning of me in scum fashion. On January 06 2017 20:14 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 17:30 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 16:25 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 16:14 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:48 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:42 Vivax wrote:On January 06 2017 15:39 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 15:30 Vivax wrote:
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Why not 1gu then? I've never seen Onegu play a non trolly game. It's within his meta either way, especially D1 lol But you have seen ikas meta yes? No, I don't know the guy Idk why you are eager to suspect someone for not being super serious at the beginning of the game, when clearly you don't even know how he usually plays. So that's why I'm saying your read is forced, it looked like you found something worth smearing for the sake of itself cause calix asked you to dig something up. She asked me if I had picked up on anything else and that was the only thing I had found worth mentioning. I think it's hardly accurate to say that I'm trying to smear the dude. It's refreshing to assess someone's motives without knowing meta. You're less likely to talk yourself out of gut reads. No idea why you find that problematic. You're acting like I'm on a crusade against the guy lol. It's always easy to call out someone for being trolly or not contributive. And I don't see how that applies to him in particular. Even for yourself it's such a weak argument that you call it not a real read. So I find it unusual that asked whether you saw something worth picking up, you do it over something that you didn't feel strongly about, and for something that is imo NAI (not alignment indicative for who doesn't know) at this stage. So one possibility is you were simply being casual as town and throwing that out there even though for your play it will have little impact as you don't want to pursue that further. Then again that would mean that your answer to Calix "did you see something worthwhile" still wasn't answered and that you didn't find an avenue for finding scum there. Or you are scum with the pressure that comes to post something looking useful well knowing that as long as you post something that you don't have to commit to, you're fine. And that post also falls in this category, too. Now from this ambiguity why do I think that it makes you more likely mafia? Scum that doesn't have a trolly town meta by default will be under pressure to look useful. Your filter apart from one or two posts seems like you are trying to look useful. That post isn't something I believe you think to be useful. Otherwise tell me why you believe it's useful. Achieves something for yourself besides satisfying a request that you would grant only to enhance your standing with the town, which is mafia play. I like this approach from vivax. Got Darth in the boat and he's still flopping around. [b]Darth i'm not looking for a list post from you at this point but do you have something more significant to contribute.[/] He tells me what he's not looking for which is a weird thing to say, while also trying to pressure me by saying in need to contribute something "more significant." Not only is that nebulous and vague, it's also really obvious. Everyone has to contribute meaningful things, and I think it's odd that he would accuse me of not doing that; I have been contributing more than most here. It almost seems like it should be a criticism leveled at someone like B0ston. The only other thing in his filter is that he doesn't like my "attitude" because of one post where I sounded defensive. That's like, your opinion man. Defensiveness is NAI imo so it's not a great point regardless. He also doesn't actually commit to any sort of read of me which is scummy considering the amount of attention he gives me Those who are town reading KSC, why?
I was for tone and careless posting but it's rapidly disappearing because he hasn't been here at all except to make a couple drive-by posts.
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