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On January 07 2017 12:16 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 10:27 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 09:56 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 07:58 Grackaroni wrote:I think Vivax's posts have been really townie. Of the active players I think that DF is the most likely one to be scum. Parts of his opening seem awkward to me like he is trying too hard. On January 06 2017 10:04 darthfoley wrote:
Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods! On January 06 2017 10:19 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:13 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:11 KelsierSC wrote:On January 06 2017 10:10 Calix wrote:On January 06 2017 10:07 KelsierSC wrote:
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well im not making a ground breaking finding but mafia generally try to blend in and make non commital or mimic posts right so they might have thought answering a list of questions which everyone else was doing is a good idea.
probably not relevant here as the questionnaire was hardly insightful and i dont want to start a circle jerk with, well you posted 5th so you are scum. the whole exercise got me some good reads so not entirely pointless and now the the game is moving.
Nothing is going to be ground-breaking at this point so that qualifier (from DF too in the post above) is 100% unnecessary. I didn't approach the questionnaires like that. The VCA-style "X voter/ poster is scum" thing is useless as a metric. What "good" reads do you have? yo just calm down alright My emotional state is irrelevant to the question. You claim to have reads, I'm asking for them. What's the point of saying "I have reads" and then be stubborn about sharing them? so what I did is I checked the order in which people responded to the questionnaire and the first ones to respond are clear town until we get to the people who were like 4th and onwards who are likely scum. 100% accurate So what does that mean in terms of practicality? Name, give the me wretched name! Obligatory + Show Spoiler + I also think that Vivax may have a point that he could have been trying to push out a read on ika to impress since he said that he didn't like ika making trolly posts and then proceeded to make a few of his own. On January 06 2017 15:11 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 10:52 Calix wrote:
I am too tired to bang my head against the wall since it's 2am.
I won't be very active until late afternoon/ evening or so but that doesn't matter. My low-activity play is ten times better than most people's normal play.
Goodnight! Great excuse for OMGUS (omg u suck) later on if you're scum! On January 06 2017 15:13 darthfoley wrote:On January 06 2017 11:16 Grackaroni wrote:On January 06 2017 10:04 darthfoley wrote:
Salutations friends! May the odds be ever in our favor because we have such wonderful mods! This isn't a bastard game silly. You should have offered favors in the pregame like I did. Favors, you say? $5 for an hj $10 for a bj $15 for a zj On January 07 2017 11:21 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:19 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 11:05 Grackaroni wrote:
Which of your posts are townie? Can you tell me why they are townie? Love the avoiding of my question and instead deflect it back to me. It goes straight to the heart of the question. If you cannot quote some posts to prove yourself town to me then surely I cannot do so to convince you that Vivax is town I've already given an answer that I find satisfactory. I like the effort he's putting into the game. I like the angles that he's pushing. I like his attitude and response to being pressured. what about them is town? I liked his pressure on DF and I've liked all of his responses to being pressured. Really I don't see a single meh post in the bunch. I've already posted various quotes out of context and are hoping you can use them to decipher my reason for town reading Vivax.
Fix'd
I've heard enough of this.
##Vote Grackaroni
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On January 07 2017 12:18 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:15 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 11:54 Grackaroni wrote:
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If it makes you feel better I'm not going to write such a post on ika or Silverwolf either. Even though I'm pretty sure they both are as well. No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly. Because you have burden of proof right now and I am not giving you an out by doing your work. I mean you say "convince others to lynch your scum read" but I see 0 of that right now I've given a read on DF and a read on Onegu.
Both of who i read as town. anyone else?
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On January 07 2017 12:21 ika42 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:18 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:15 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 11:57 Kmatt wrote:
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No...? It really doesn't. If anything you're looking scummier by the minute. What is the endgame here? What happens when people want to vote on your townreads and vice versa? You don't stand to gain anything through this backwards logic. If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly. Because you have burden of proof right now and I am not giving you an out by doing your work. I mean you say "convince others to lynch your scum read" but I see 0 of that right now I've given a read on DF and a read on Onegu. Both of who i read as town. anyone else?
lol
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On January 07 2017 12:21 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:21 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:18 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:15 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:13 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:11 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:07 Grackaroni wrote:On January 07 2017 12:05 ika42 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:03 Kmatt wrote:On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:
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If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch. You can already do that. Right now. There is a limit to how much BotD I'm willing to give. Its kinda funny that he cant even refute my argument that he has a fabricated read on him right now. Perhaps your read on Silverwolf is fabricated. If you check the filters you will see that I have given more reasoning on Vivax than you have given on Silverwolf. Lol Want to show the quotes that prove that what you are saying is true? I mean you were town reading me last iirc so am i now scum or something? I'm more stubborn than you. You're not going to get any town case until you write your own town case. I'm not sure why you won't it would prove my point much more quickly. Because you have burden of proof right now and I am not giving you an out by doing your work. I mean you say "convince others to lynch your scum read" but I see 0 of that right now I've given a read on DF and a read on Onegu. Both of who i read as town. anyone else? lol
very much convicing
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Here's the deal. I've given reasoning for why I think Vivax is town. I've made it clear from the start that I'm not basing my read on any specific quotes and that for any case you could make for Silverwolf being town I could give a similar one for Vivax being town. My reads on the three of you are all for many of the same reasons.
You've listed silverwolf as town and given no reasoning whatsoever. You should be able to write a town case on Silver wolf and also refute me when I apply your reasoning on her to Vivax's posts.
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And I don't want to hear another post about the burden of proof.
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On January 07 2017 10:28 Grackaroni wrote:
Onegu is also scummy. I think there's a very low chance that he doesn't understand how his play is usually read by a new player. He's been shit posting for too many years now.
I made two posts. They werent that trolly then I was gone. There is no way he could make a scum read on them. Then after almost 20 hours he says no it wasnt a scum read it was a pressure vote. He tried to make up a read. Then he tried to change the narrative. You cant say its because I was shit posting.
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your evidence that Vivax was a townie was no different than just singling out his post like you can do here.
On January 07 2017 12:00 Grackaroni wrote:
If people want to lynch Vivax at the end of the day I will refute whatever arguments they put forth for him being scum and put forward my own arguments for whoever I want to lynch.
I have suspicions of vivax nothing AI otherwise I would have voted. But a failure to show that he is a townie makes my suspicions grow. Do we honestly need to vote for Vivax for you to finally give evidence he is a townie?
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On January 07 2017 11:32 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 09:24 Onegu wrote:On January 07 2017 08:31 darthfoley wrote:
@Calix Like do you really expect every player who goes AFK for a period of time to provide a reason why? If so, I can wait for the impending doom for btdt and Onegu lol You wont get reasons why I go afk. I used to provide them but then had a discussion over it with someone that it can cause people to make reads on me based on my reasons. So I have stopped posting them for the most part. Unless I know in a few days I have a doctors appointment and wont be around I normally tell people about it before hand but if something comes up and I am gone I just comeback and dont say anything anymore. Now that your caught up with the reading you could have told people who your leads are. Instead you have become entirely defensive about your activity, and BostonSC's failed vote for you. I want you to get on track since I kind of trust your VT claim. So here is a question for you. I am currently leaning toward Vivax myself because of SilverWolf77's response to my questioning. So why do you feel this way:
Both are in my filter. Vivax is defending people for no reason when as the most vet player in this game he shouldnt be.
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On January 07 2017 12:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Here's the deal. I've given reasoning for why I think Vivax is town. I've made it clear from the start that I'm not basing my read on any specific quotes and that for any case you could make for Silverwolf being town I could give a similar one for Vivax being town. My reads on the three of you are all for many of the same reasons.
You've listed silverwolf as town and given no reasoning whatsoever. You should be able to write a town case on Silver wolf and also refute me when I apply your reasoning on her to Vivax's posts.
Nope, you have already stated you are townreading both myself and ika so there is no reason you need to see a case unless you disagree with the read or want a better one on ika.
ika is asking you for a quote or two because he doesn't agree with your read and wants to understand it better, he also has not stated a townread on you and is scumreading Vivax
You are antagonizing your townread and refusing to cooperate. If you don't want to elaborate on a read then just say you don't have a specific quote and be done with it.
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Holy shit its your burden. No its your burden. That was 1 whole page.
I will give you why silverwolf is town.
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On January 07 2017 12:40 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 10:28 Grackaroni wrote:
Onegu is also scummy. I think there's a very low chance that he doesn't understand how his play is usually read by a new player. He's been shit posting for too many years now. I made two posts. They werent that trolly then I was gone. There is no way he could make a scum read on them. Then after almost 20 hours he says no it wasnt a scum read it was a pressure vote. He tried to make up a read. Then he tried to change the narrative. You cant say its because I was shit posting.
You were the most useless player to have posted. New players usually scum read the most useless players.
You might be right about changing the narrative. I see he is saying it was a pressure vote.
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On January 07 2017 12:44 Onegu wrote:
Holy shit its your burden. No its your burden. That was 1 whole page.
I will give you why silverwolf is town.
Deal.
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She is town because she was the first to call Boston out. And then the back and forth with Vivax doesnt come from scum. Never Never Never. More so in a newbie game as someone who never played with most of the people in this game.
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Also, asking a person to prove they are town is the crappiest play out there as no one needs to prove that. If they are town they show it with their posting. If they can't, then they get lynched. It's as simple as that.
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On January 07 2017 12:43 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Here's the deal. I've given reasoning for why I think Vivax is town. I've made it clear from the start that I'm not basing my read on any specific quotes and that for any case you could make for Silverwolf being town I could give a similar one for Vivax being town. My reads on the three of you are all for many of the same reasons.
You've listed silverwolf as town and given no reasoning whatsoever. You should be able to write a town case on Silver wolf and also refute me when I apply your reasoning on her to Vivax's posts. Nope, you have already stated you are townreading both myself and ika so there is no reason you need to see a case unless you disagree with the read or want a better one on ika. ika is asking you for a quote or two because he doesn't agree with your read and wants to understand it better, he also has not stated a townread on you and is scumreading Vivax You are antagonizing your townread and refusing to cooperate. If you don't want to elaborate on a read then just say you don't have a specific quote and be done with it.
I've said that a long time ago.
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On January 07 2017 12:47 SilverWolf77 wrote:
Also, asking a person to prove they are town is the crappiest play out there as no one needs to prove that. If they are town they show it with their posting. If they can't, then they get lynched. It's as simple as that.
No I am town because I claimed VT...
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On January 07 2017 12:43 SilverWolf77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Here's the deal. I've given reasoning for why I think Vivax is town. I've made it clear from the start that I'm not basing my read on any specific quotes and that for any case you could make for Silverwolf being town I could give a similar one for Vivax being town. My reads on the three of you are all for many of the same reasons.
You've listed silverwolf as town and given no reasoning whatsoever. You should be able to write a town case on Silver wolf and also refute me when I apply your reasoning on her to Vivax's posts. Nope, you have already stated you are townreading both myself and ika so there is no reason you need to see a case unless you disagree with the read or want a better one on ika. ika is asking you for a quote or two because he doesn't agree with your read and wants to understand it better, he also has not stated a townread on you and is scumreading Vivax You are antagonizing your townread and refusing to cooperate. If you don't want to elaborate on a read then just say you don't have a specific quote and be done with it.
Exactly! There is nothing wrong with "gut" feelings. But when it comes to good arguments versus "gut" feelings; I am going to choose the good argument.
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Vote Count
B0stonSC (2) : Calix, Onegu
Grackaroni (2) : KelsierSC, Kmatt
KelsierSC (1) : ika42
Vivax (1) : SilverWolf77
Not voting (7) : B0stonSC, beentheredonethat, darthfoley, Grackaroni, MichaelEhrmantraut, reps)squishy, Vivax
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On January 07 2017 12:50 reps)squishy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2017 12:43 SilverWolf77 wrote:On January 07 2017 12:38 Grackaroni wrote:
Here's the deal. I've given reasoning for why I think Vivax is town. I've made it clear from the start that I'm not basing my read on any specific quotes and that for any case you could make for Silverwolf being town I could give a similar one for Vivax being town. My reads on the three of you are all for many of the same reasons.
You've listed silverwolf as town and given no reasoning whatsoever. You should be able to write a town case on Silver wolf and also refute me when I apply your reasoning on her to Vivax's posts. Nope, you have already stated you are townreading both myself and ika so there is no reason you need to see a case unless you disagree with the read or want a better one on ika. ika is asking you for a quote or two because he doesn't agree with your read and wants to understand it better, he also has not stated a townread on you and is scumreading Vivax You are antagonizing your townread and refusing to cooperate. If you don't want to elaborate on a read then just say you don't have a specific quote and be done with it.
Exactly! There is nothing wrong with "gut" feelings. But when it comes to good arguments versus "gut" feelings; I am going to choose the good argument.
Litarly if he said his posts give him a "gut town read" none of this would happen but its not guts. He said the angles and his questioning so I am questioning that
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