EPTOn December 22 2016 19:59 Koshi wrote:
Yes and?
You did the same thing. Exactly the same.
Yes and?
You did the same thing. Exactly the same.
What I didn't do is follow that pattern in every post of my filter
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On December 22 2016 20:05 Koshi wrote: If this case on disformation is nothing more than massive reaching and trying to convince yourself he is mafia just pretend you deleted it right before you pressed "post". The more I'm quoting stuff the more I'm convinced. Disfo actions were always after someone else did something. He has no idea what to do and he's copying It's actually possible to match almost every one of his posts with a post by someone else that was made before. | ||
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There are tons of example, here is some of the obvious ones. OK I'm actually reworking this to be an actual proof of what I'm saying with every contentful post past early game analysed. With few exceptions, every post that disfo made is echoing something that someone else made before him. Keep it mind that the problem is not that he's sharing another player's point of view. THE PROBLEM IS THAT ALL HIS CONTENTFUL POSTS ARE MADE ON THE EXACT SUBJECT OF ANOTHER POST HE JUST READ. That might not be obvious from the timestamps, but if you're reading the thread and disfo's filter at the same time, the disfo post in those spoilers in his filter is just after the original post. Bad feeling about Rels (original idea from Koshi and Slam) + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2016 19:03 Alakaslam wrote: Rels is too unsure in the wrong places. Just a vibe; vibes fail me a lot. Just tossing it out there because fish, mc chicken, I'm voting the vibe. So this vote isn't technically a ninja vote. (I did this at 2AM but whatever.) On December 20 2016 19:06 Koshi wrote: Ty slam. This is really good. Ty. On December 20 2016 20:43 disformation wrote: Now I need to make up my mind on Rels. Like I can kinda agree that "something feels off". But imo more in the part about me. Or him being waffly in general. But I still like a bunch of his posts. Which makes me not want to lynch him. Also + points for getting some stuff about me roght before horribly backtracking. Rels is pretty good though. So the whole thing is not outside of his scum range. If SL and ExO_ would not be in the game, that would be a really hard one. I think as of right now I would lynch Rels over Slam? Still think today should be one of ExO_ or SL. ExO is scum 'cause he's not acting like last game (original idea from Rels) + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2016 09:19 Rels wrote: I'm caught up. disfo might be scum maybe, I didn't like his posts on SL and Slam these last few pages. But if the lynch was right now I would 1000% lynch exo. He's fighting very differently from the last game I played with him; in that one he OMGUSd every player that pushed him. Here he stated a reason for suspecting Koshi and Kmatt and repeated it over and over. Actually it makes up for like half of his filter: On December 20 2016 21:18 disformation wrote: So. There was a recent game where exo was lynched D1 as VT. Link to his filter First post he claims VT. Gets voted by Calix for that. Immediately OMGUSES Calix. Then he starts to actually play the game. As the time for the lynch approaches: + Show Spoiler + On November 05 2016 01:19 ExO_ wrote: I just woke up, and I have to run errands. I'll probably be back before EoD but I can't swear to it. What I will say is this: I came into the thread just saying whatever I felt like. It's how I always play town. I don't try to carefully construct my posts I just say whats on my mind. I did a lot of OMGUS. When I finally sat and calmly looked at the game, I put a little suspicion on DF/Skynx because of short filter, and rels for a similar reason. But I've been attacked for switching views, for not tunneling, for tunneling at the start, and a whole variety of other things. I don't know exactly how I could defend myself at this point. I've done my best to make you realize that I'm town. But a LOT of people are tunneling on me. I'm not sure what else I'd have to do to prove I'm town. The idea that I had a scum slip is a complete joke. If I die today: Lynch TT/Rels. Both are experienced townies yet are moronically pushing this lynch. Especially TT. After that I would look for people who coasted and just hopped on the wagon day 1. Do not Lynch Calix: Calix is the most most obviously confirmed town here. I want to say NU as well because of filter length, but I'm not sure. Anywho I'm running some errands now like I said. I should be back before EoD but my motivation to play this game is basically out the window. On November 05 2016 02:46 ExO_ wrote: TT/Rels/NU should be your prime suspects. Those are my top 3 scum reads. I also think there would've been a high chance for people to say "skynkx town read ExO at EoD b/c he's scum trying to get town cred". By pointing this out here I no longer think it'll happen. If it does though refer to this Conclusion: There are a bunch of similarities. Esp. at the start of the game. Tonewise I think his tone is way more over the top this game than it was in the game I linked. But as I said again and again: he has absolutely 0 reads this game. Look at his filter. Look at the two posts I quoted. See the difference? Imo ExO_ was actually a pretty easy town read in the game I linked. He had a wonky start, but after that he started actually playing and made good posts. This game we only have a huge appeal to emotion. ##vote ExO_ In fact he actually said later it was my post that gave him the idea to do that: On December 20 2016 22:51 disformation wrote: No I had to reread the game? Cause I totally forgot about that game until Rels mentioned and I thought it would be a good idea to look at exos filter again? Cause I totally forgot about that game until Rels mentioned and I thought it would be a good idea to look at exos filter again? Had to look for the game. Took me like 10 mins to find it. Yes. Yes. Yes. Slam is scummy (original idea from SL) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 00:10 sicklucker wrote: I dont think ill lynch anyone but exo or slam today On December 21 2016 00:13 sicklucker wrote: This is a very bad path to go. I agree with exo and slam being the most likely. but the chance of them being the two scum out of 9 combiniations of people. And like I said me and rels are town. if you follow this you lose town the game because koshi and hf are crafty scum On December 21 2016 00:15 disformation wrote: fun facts about slam: doesnt mention exo even once. throws a bit of shade in a throwaway post early on SL. jumps on rels and then me. not saying anything. just in case exo flips red (which is likely imo). Kmatt and ExO could be partner ? (original idea from Koshi) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 00:24 Koshi wrote: Could Kmatt and Exo be mafia partners? That little outburst at the start? Was it odd? On December 21 2016 00:34 disformation wrote: There was def. something off in that exchange. It is like a reaction bait into a reaction bait into ExO_ being super pissed. And it def. doesnt read super natural. So I am thinking there is probably a scummer in there. Since ExO_ didnt come back to play, but only to fish for feels I am assuming the one scummer is him. For both to be scum I think they have to be cool with Kmatt getting enough cred off that to carry? Or they went to far and dont have the motivation to salvage it? Like Kmatt didnt have a huge thread presence in his other game either, so I dont think him going carry is like a plan. Unless they are like sicklucker and just wanted to do it. Like exo points out a mehish point on Kmatt for disassociation, Kmatt goes right back at him and either ExO_ gets pissed by that, or he tries to fake the game I linked? I guess it is not impossible, but it sounds fairly far fetched for me. On December 21 2016 00:40 disformation wrote: And kmatt is even somewhat deflecting off ppl trying to talk about other lynches: Which would mean he is bussing pretty hard and not even looking to trying to deflect. Slam is scummy 2 (original idea from Koshi and LS) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 06:56 Koshi wrote: Maybe we lynch the Slamfish? On December 21 2016 06:57 LightningStrike wrote: I forgot he was even in this game lmao. Will check his filter. On December 21 2016 06:58 disformation wrote: Well Slam graciously avoided talking about exo at _all_ On December 21 2016 06:59 disformation wrote: and had a bad post on SL. but some decent once on rels then he votes me and gtfos i think thats his entire filter Kmatt is scummy (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 08:26 Holyflare wrote: I think we should lynch kmatt, that re-entry to the thread and saying nothing annoys me On December 21 2016 09:17 disformation wrote: also starting to get tired. like i went through kmatts filter and the only thing that you could say is that his filter feels to linear. as in: he "pokes lowhanging fruit" (he even calls exo that). exo explodes and just keeps his vote on him. not much of scumhunting or reads until his list post. thing is. this progression makes a lot of sense for town too given how exo played and his list post is legit good imo. wait didnt someone call it bad for some reason? On December 21 2016 09:28 disformation wrote: Dunno doesnt really feel like a "case" on him. Still think there is at least 1 scum in kmatt/exo_ not 100% sure we are on the right side, but I still think exo is more likely. margin a bit smaller now though. do we even have enough ppl to make kmatt a thing? dont think so :/ On December 21 2016 09:29 disformation wrote: that is like a really odd post. like i kinda agree with the sentiment, but you were super adamant about exo like all damn game long. xD On December 21 2016 09:29 disformation wrote: that is like a really odd post. like i kinda agree with the sentiment, but you were super adamant about exo like all damn game long. xD You don't say Kmatt / Rels are scummy (original idea from Koshi) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 17:32 Koshi wrote: Ok so mafia just thought it was better to lynch ExO over Slam. For me mafia team is Rels/Kmatt atm. Disformation might be town. Sicklucker is confirmed really bad at the game. On December 21 2016 17:33 Koshi wrote: 6.Rels 8. Kmatt 5.sicklucker 9.disformation 7.Holyflare 1.Alakaslam 4.LightningStrike On December 21 2016 21:24 disformation wrote: I think its kmatt +1. partially because I think that the exo vs kmatt thing was not tvt. another thing is how he approached the exo wagon the whole day and then made quite a few strange posts right before eod after being "Nah exo didnt post anything that changed my mind". something is def. wrong surrounding rels. like the sl mindmeld on him, with rels tring sl super hard. the whole approach on me. he was also pretty waffly on exo at the start right? will be back later to look at some filters in more detail. tbh I am super looking forward to see, who the suspects are going to want to lynch themselves.  Slam looks better (original idea from Koshi and Rels) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 17:33 Koshi wrote: 6.Rels 8. Kmatt 5.sicklucker 9.disformation 7.Holyflare 1.Alakaslam 4.LightningStrike On December 21 2016 19:18 Rels wrote: Slam is pretty townie in this interaction with HF post flip On December 21 2016 21:26 disformation wrote: especially after slam looks a lot better now. Reread of LS and Slam after LS / Slam have been talked about (original idea from Koshi and Rels) + Show Spoiler + On December 21 2016 23:26 Koshi wrote: I am not ruling out LS/HF. But it's pretty low on my probability list. On December 22 2016 00:49 disformation wrote: good point. Overall I think LS is town, but I wish he had more reads in his filter. Like start of his filter is a bit of interaction/questioning early D1 without conclusions. Though I think that the questions into nothing and him generally not having a lot of formulated reads fit his town meta. Though I agree that he should be low on the priority list. Would like to see more stuff from him though. On December 22 2016 01:06 disformation wrote: So looking at filters for votes and stuff. part 1. LS (see my last post): looks more town than scum. not impossible to be scum. like if his partner is on exo and slam is town, he could have been trying to come up with a decent reason to not be on the same wagon. but I dont think his behaviour/tone match up with that. Slam starts pushing and voting Rels over Rels having a strange/wrong read on me. Rels rectifies his read on me and points out a pretty scummy post by me. Slam votes me and just returns b4 the deadline. still would liked for him to say something about why he was voting me, but in context it makes sense. An analysis on LS and Slam. LS he just talked about it with Koshi. Slam see the previous spoiler where he says Slam is looking better after Koshi and I said it, Kmatt is scummy 2 (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2016 01:37 disformation wrote: btw that was also a pretty good post. guess what kmatts answer was? On December 22 2016 01:40 disformation wrote: ah nope he actually answered it. Though it is super ahrd to discern. answer was this: but yeah I guess I have to take a break. getting confused with that many tabs open. also sl filter not that fun to read. Better check Rels' treatment of Kmatt (original idea from HF) + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2016 03:32 Holyflare wrote: If kmatt is mafia I'm safe calling sl town. He also seems not grumpy but he's also self aware of that now so probably means nothing. I need to look into whether rels has ever mentioned kmatt at all. On December 22 2016 04:30 disformation wrote: He mentions kmatt very early in the post sicklucker mindmelds him for. Asks a few questions of Kmatt. Later: After Kmatts wall: Asks Kmatt a few questions at EoD about ExO_ etc. I think I told Rels that Kmatt was actually pretty good in the last scum game. Not sure if Rels reacted to that. Dont think so. Oh wait he even links it himself: but no comment on contents of that game, from what i have seen. Well I could go on and on. ACTUALLY THAT WAS MY OLD CONCLUSION I DID GO ON AND ON LOL. I SEE THIS PATTERN EVERYWHERE DISFO HAS NEVER HAD AN ORIGINAL THOUGHT DISFO DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO AND ONLY DOES THINGS AFTER SOMEONE ELSE DID IT OR MENTIONNED IT DISFO READS ARE 100% THE AGGLOMERATE OF THE THREAD READS, ESPECIALLY THE THREAD LEADER, AT ALL POINTS EXCEPTIONS: Posts with actual content that I didn't find a match for: On December 21 2016 04:52 disformation wrote: First post is from this game. Second post from the recent NSM where he was town and got ML D1. Last post is from Dota 2 where he was scum. Mind you in that game he died of dmg and was not under universal pressure like here or the NSM. I kinda felt like I was starting to see thing cause I thought for a second that he copied parts of the NSM one into this game. Which proved to be wrong. But another funny thing is: In NSM ppl started scumreading him we he opened with claiming VT. Why does he claim vt here now? That would only make sense if he was trying to invoke feelings from last game. Like "Oh I was claiming VT as town last game and that got me ML D1, lets try to do it here again?" Think it makes more sense for him to do that as scum. And in either case: where are his reads? I feel like timewise he should/would have come back by now and tell us who to lynch. And super ultra nitpick mode: all 3 posts have a variation of "idk what else to do". But the the one in his town game is more like "i tried, but" while in his scum game and this game it is more like "I suck, but". and yeah im somewhat bored. =p It's kinda a copy of his post where he voted ExO, that was after mine, but it is waaaay later so it's a different pattern than every one of his other posts. Every other post I quoted, he talked about something that he just read. This one, nobody was talking about how exo was scummy anymore. So it's different. On December 21 2016 10:49 disformation wrote: ExO_ (5): Kmatt, Holyflare, Alakaslam (2): disformation (1): Holyflare (1): ExO_ Kmatt (0): sicklucker (0): Rels (0): Bit of stuff planned tomorrow. Will try to find some time and look at reasons/timings behind the votes. On December 21 2016 11:12 disformation wrote: okay general thoughts: at least 1 scum on exo. i know im town. i think hf is town (let me look at his filter tomorrow). so at least one in: kmatt, sl, rels. if its two its not rels and sl. dont think they would hard tr each other over that mindmeld stuff. out of the three remaining players slam obv sticks out the most. and he apparently thought the deadline was later, so he didnt have time to "fix" that. one of ls and koshi might have the tmi factor going, but need to reread. but yeah tomorrow is filter time He was the first to do a colored votecounts. I do this in every one of my scumgames 'cause it's free town cred for 0 risk. TBF I also do this in the majority of my towngames. But the analysis is weak and doubtful. Pretty useless TBF. | ||
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On December 22 2016 21:14 disformation wrote: so rels. youve read a scum game of mine earlier. did you take a look at my town games? Link me a counterexample and we'll see | ||
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On December 22 2016 21:19 disformation wrote: All my games are linked in my profile. I went through the last one IE star wars where you were cop and die N1. BTW It was painful to reread me being shennanied for 0 reason. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/512849-star-wars-rogue-1-hype-mafia?user=disformation&view=all It's true that you have a lot of interactions with what's happening with the thread. But not always. Here are a list of posts that I think weren't copies of someone else opinion OR where you go against what someone is saying: + Show Spoiler + On August 29 2016 17:38 disformation wrote: I hate how everyone seems to think I am good at this game. Also went through geripts walls and tried to add up his reads/comments via a point system: (note that this is an interpretation) -: bad post +: good post |: meh post trfel: - - + - disfo: + - - tw: - - - palmar: | - - - scott: + - vivax: + koshi: + hf: | + TT: + - | rb: - mostly lines up with his actual reads at the end of his second wall. kinda want him to explain why he doesnt think palmar is scum despite disliking a lot of palmars posts + the questions I asked earlier. On August 29 2016 20:57 disformation wrote: also geripts scumread on me is a bit weird. His comments on me: So where does the scum read on me even come from, the above doesn't seem very conclusive. It is kinda hidden in the parts where he talks about HF. On HF's read on me: Then he likes some on HF's posts: Only mentions of HF, which lead to a TR on HF (after saying HF's case on me is NAI for HF) and apparently he is sheeping HF's case on me, cause I am not sure why he would think I am the most likely scum from the things he said on me? The more I look at geripts post the more inorganic and constructed I think it is. Might also be written in this hard to follow/read way to look like work has been done and making ppl less likely to want to read it. On August 30 2016 18:50 disformation wrote: was skimming a bit through some tw and tt filters in other games. tw doesn't really look like either his town or scum games imo. for tt i need to find a recent town game. there are similarities to his scum play in shin megami tensai, but those are rather shallow imo. like his entry does look similar and his lists look similar. On August 30 2016 21:01 disformation wrote: I think that this is the scummiest thing to be posted as of yet this game. On August 30 2016 21:05 disformation wrote: voting vivax. will maybe write a case later. On August 30 2016 21:15 disformation wrote: ppl explaining their town reads on vivax might be cool. Then later backing off the easy lynch: On August 31 2016 00:04 disformation wrote: blah. im not feeling the vivax lynch. On September 01 2016 00:34 disformation wrote: random tinfoil: why is vivax only going after easy targets? scott is know to get misslyched a ton (no offense) and geript has like no time to play. On September 01 2016 01:11 disformation wrote: plamar has already been questioned and pressured about his vote. if scum not for his vote. vote suspiciousness: low tw: the voting itself is fine. votes scott to save himself and then switches to rels cause he didn't think scott is scum. though this statement is very waffly: Also has weird reads around eod, so he really needs to step it up D2. vote suspiciousness: low-medium koshi really likes the tw lynch. switches after rels dun goofed. think koshis reactions are genuine and indicate he cared about the lynch. he also was on Rels earlier D1. So I think this looks okay. vote suspiciousness: low-medium vivi leads scott lynch all day. wasnt around at eod. so far looks perfectly fine and reasonable, but this post: super confuses me. despite leading the scott wagon all day and not buckling with his vote he is a bit like "oh nah, I dont really care which one of the two gets lynchend." Dunno. I would have expected him to care a bit more about scott? Or even if you scumread both, push a bit for the one who you think has the hgher chance to flip scum? Well, he never unvoted scott, but it kinda gets my paranoia going. vote suspiciousness: medium geript had his long stretch of voting me despite giving me a bunch of town points in his latest batch. and then votes dane? well it is in line with him having not much scum reads and these posts: and I guess some ppl were considering dane sheannanies, but still feels a bit odd, to throw out a vote like this, when it is really close between TW and scott at the time. That was the VC right before geripts vote:+ Show Spoiler + On August 31 2016 05:46 beentheredonethat wrote: Day 1: Vote Count #7 ![[image loading]](https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/66998607.jpg) Votes:
Not voting: - Currently, Tumblewood is set to be lynched. Remember, voting is mandatory. Please vote in the voting thread. If the vote count is not accurate or contains errors, please PM a host. Day 1 will end in (deadline being Tuesday, Aug 30 9:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)). still going to keep it at a medium, cause it lines up with his thought progression and he legit seems to be screwed on time. vote suspiciousness: medium | ||
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On December 22 2016 21:25 Koshi wrote: ##unvote I can't keep this up. ##vote Lighteningstrike I saw two posts that I think are pretty hard for scum!LS to make. On December 22 2016 05:14 LightningStrike wrote: I think you just were trolling me HF -.- These. This is his personality. If he was scum and working on imitating his town meta I don't think he would be able to replicate his natural naivety. | ||
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On December 22 2016 21:48 Koshi wrote: It is wrong that Rels does not want to touch Kmatt and is just pushing another lynch like a madman. Reminds me of my mafia games. I look town, I push some random smuck nobody really believes is mafia, but then on D3 they believe me and lynch my smuck. Rels is doing that. He doesn't really is open about Kmatt, calls him mafia as easily as town, and then is pushing his ml in disformation. Are you calling for Kmatt / me ? I read Kmatt filter. I can see him being scum, there are things in his filter that bothered me, namely several of his posts EOD1. | ||
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On December 22 2016 21:49 Koshi wrote: Ofc he can. Being mafia doesn't remove that at all. That's not obvious to me. LS have had a very hard tim eposting as scum until that millionaire game. I'm gonna see if he was able to replicate his naive posting there | ||
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On December 22 2016 23:58 Holyflare wrote: rels can you explain your progression on kmatt? you go from don't understand what the shit he's talking about to liking everything he says and his wall of text to saying he's pretty natural looking to saying he's probably mafia with disfo for his end of day posts (I don't remember what your conclusion was when you read his scum game) to now ignoring him today and voting off a wagon in a majority lynch what's your actual stance too? Maybe scum with disfo. No problem having different wagons before eod | ||
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On December 23 2016 00:05 Kmatt wrote: This is gonna sound stupid but I was under the impression that night=radio silence since there's no vote and we're supposed to be "asleep". Anyway THAT DUMBTELL | ||
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the only possibvility as scum is that he faked that dumbtell but this is SO far stretched | ||
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On December 23 2016 00:10 Holyflare wrote: all these after deadline............. at night............... .................... WAIT THIS IS TRUE THIS DOESNT MAKE SENSE ACTUALLY | ||
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On December 23 2016 00:29 Kmatt wrote: Oh wow there actually are only two scum. I was under the impression it was three this whole time. And there is ANOTHER DUMBTELL. This one makes 0 sense. The fact that we're looking for a 2 player scum team is all over the thread. Everywhere. This looks like forced dumbtells now. 2 in a row ?? I don't believe it | ||
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