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If it doesn't start very soon I'll have to /out 'cause I will be 100% unavailable during Christmas. And I've already been mislynched once because of that; it is NOT fun.
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On December 16 2016 01:35 iamperfection wrote:
Game will pause on christmas if we play during it. As on no posting and 24 hours added to that cycle
OK that is super cool. (=
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On December 20 2016 07:46 Koshi wrote:Depending on how Rels will play: + Show Spoiler +
what does that even mean
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Kmatt I don't follow your train of thoughts here:
On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive?
On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote.
On December 20 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Which is to say he's acting like town.
On December 20 2016 00:31 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Honestly if I was a bad town I surprised he would night kill me when he's scum because it would mean he thinks I was a threat on finding his team. I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm. SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together.
You assume SL might be seriously talking about LS being bad town, then you assume it was sarcasm ? And you're pressuring SL on that but you think it was townie ?
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On December 20 2016 07:59 disformation wrote:Alright fair enough. With majority lynch in mind, we probably have to consolidate on ExO_ regardless. Unless he comes back with some really good stuff. While we are at good stuff: @Rels: Hey, psst. Yeah, you. You look like the type. Got any of those: + Show Spoiler +
I got some wine if you're interested.
I'm not caught up but I don't see why we have to consolidate right now when there are more than 24 hours left in the day.
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LS is looking great in this early exchange with Kmatt
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I was disliking the push on ExO at first because I witnessed first hand that ExO can be heavily tilted as town. But exo might be scum actually. He's explaining this "Koshi and Kmatt should find disfo scummy BUT THEY DONT" so much, it looks like scum that have a reasonning and want to prove at all cost that the reasonning is logical 'cause they think it's gonna make them townie.
And at the same time he's not really pushing Koshi/Kmatt, just explaining his logic over and over. This is maybe the 6th post on the subject:
On December 20 2016 02:31 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
I cannot for the life of me fathom how someone can say people are suspicious for not pushing a non-suspicious person. Why is disinfo not-suspicious? My logic is this: Koshi/Kmatt think I'm scum Disinfo immediately tries to deflect the thread away from kmatt's scum reading of me Therefore if Koshi/Kmatt are really town, who really think I'm scum, they should at least be questioning disinfo
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On December 20 2016 08:25 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 08:02 Rels wrote:Kmatt I don't follow your train of thoughts here: On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. On December 20 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Which is to say he's acting like town. On December 20 2016 00:31 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Honestly if I was a bad town I surprised he would night kill me when he's scum because it would mean he thinks I was a threat on finding his team. I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm. SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together. You assume SL might be seriously talking about LS being bad town, then you assume it was sarcasm ? And you're pressuring SL on that but you think it was townie ? Oh here we go again He was making a joke. I'm getting sick of having to explain it to people and want SL to do it. That is all.
So you never consider SL sentence to be serious ? And you stated openly in the thread multiple times that you think that SL is making a joke and that oyu think it is townie, there is no pressure on SL anymore since he knows what you find townie.
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On December 20 2016 03:28 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 01:07 disformation wrote:so. now for some great reads. ExO_ is apparently not a morning person. you are welcome. on a more serious note: on SL: His opening + kmatt vote is very wifomy. It kinda boils down to: "would he post this kinda stuff as scum" and is as such not very AI. BUT consider the timing: the thread was super dead at the time he posted that. is scum interested in revitalizing a dead thread by posting controversial/interesting stuff? not really. so I think it makes him slightly more town than scum. also like LS interactions with kmat. just want to see some conclusions at some point.  When did SL get this pass to scumclaim? Why is that kind of shit tolerated what What is his meta now?
On December 20 2016 03:31 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:29 Koshi wrote:
wow this feels like 2 years back and playing with rayn. Wtf is Ryan gone?
I don't like these back to back useless questions.
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On December 20 2016 08:49 Kmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 08:38 Rels wrote:On December 20 2016 08:25 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 08:02 Rels wrote:Kmatt I don't follow your train of thoughts here: On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. On December 20 2016 00:26 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Which is to say he's acting like town. On December 20 2016 00:31 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:27 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:22 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:21 LightningStrike wrote:On December 20 2016 00:15 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 00:06 sicklucker wrote:
kill lightning strike. via night kill preferably Wait what? Are you just sarcastically scumbaiting or do we not like LS? If you're asking for a night kill aren't you assuming he's town? Or is it that you think he's a bad town and will get himself lynched if left alive? What your opinion on this Kmatt? Do you think think he was being sarcastic about me or do you think he scumslipped this early or what? My assumption is that he thinks you're a bad town and wants you gone before you waste a lynch vote. Honestly if I was a bad town I surprised he would night kill me when he's scum because it would mean he thinks I was a threat on finding his team. I'm willing to bet that was sarcasm. SL any input here? I'd rather not have to speak on your behalf when we're in this thread together. You assume SL might be seriously talking about LS being bad town, then you assume it was sarcasm ? And you're pressuring SL on that but you think it was townie ? Oh here we go again He was making a joke. I'm getting sick of having to explain it to people and want SL to do it. That is all. So you never consider SL sentence to be serious ? And you stated openly in the thread multiple times that you think that SL is making a joke and that oyu think it is townie, there is no pressure on SL anymore since he knows what you find townie. No, SL was obviously not serious about trying to get LS nightkilled. I find harmless banter at the start of the game to be more town behavior. As of now, with how absent he's been from discussion I have a null read on him. There hasn't really been pressure because we've been talking about different things. I'd like to hear some thoughts from him and something constructive from LS.
You never played with LS ?
I remember one game of yours where you were scum with NocturneMage, was it your only one ?
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On December 20 2016 08:55 Koshi wrote:
Rels if you have time can you look at disformation. I am going to bed now but he is mafia but made some townie posts. But the problem is that good but not great mafia players make a couple good looking posts to avoid the lynch.
I still have a few pages to read but I don't have a read on him. Most of what he's being scumread for is stuff that he's being scumread for every game.
There were a few things that bothered me but were weak: his first post where he talks about a lot of different things, it looks like a prepared post; and the "HF had a good point on me being scum" thing which is weird.
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On December 20 2016 04:19 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 04:18 Koshi wrote:On December 20 2016 04:15 disformation wrote:
good point I prop should look at him again anyways.
cause I have like no scum reads and a bunch of ppl I don't want to lynch.
like i dont want to lynch hf, kmatt, ls and koshi.
me is town.
I like the latest batch of slam posts.
by pure poe i am down to rels, exo and sl.
Why is slam out of your PoE? I hope it is a really good reason. Probably not. :D Liked this post: Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 03:31 Alakaslam wrote:On December 20 2016 01:18 Kmatt wrote:
I didn't have much weight in SL's post having much meaning, just wanted to "explain the joke". No one would obviously scumslip that easily (at least not by accident) so I don't find anything scummy on him. Town enough for now.
LS seems town. Nothing groundbreaking but certainly nothing damning out of him.
I was ready to unvote ExO_ if he came in with some good responses (obviously we all sleep, not a huge deal) but from seeing his kneejerk reaction to me pointing a finger and nothing else makes me more confident in my call.
Alakaslam/Koshi/Holyflame are still ambiguous. I have to go take a final so I'll be back later. Lol why am I in this list I may as well have been inactive
???? why is this townie
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I'm caught up. disfo might be scum maybe, I didn't like his posts on SL and Slam these last few pages. But if the lynch was right now I would 1000% lynch exo. He's fighting very differently from the last game I played with him; in that one he OMGUSd every player that pushed him. Here he stated a reason for suspecting Koshi and Kmatt and repeated it over and over.
Actually it makes up for like half of his filter:
On December 20 2016 01:44 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 01:43 Kmatt wrote:On December 20 2016 01:34 ExO_ wrote:
so somehow koshi/kmatt are going to come into the thread, scum reading me for some stupid ass reason. kmatt ignores my comment about him buddying, as any scum would. and both koshi/kmatt ignore disinformation pseudo defending me. If I'm scummy, why isn't disinfo scummy too hmm koshi/kmatt? Okay looking back I misread you the first time, thought you meant I was buddying with LightningStrike by conversing. Still not really buddying with Sicklucker, it was LS who was having a hard time understanding the comment so there's no harm in explaining it to him. My bit about "being in this thread together" refers to the fact that SL could very easily answer these questions himself. And Disinfo not immediately agreeing with me doesn't make him scum. Being this invested in your own innocence and pointing fingers at us for having the audacity to doubt you is scummy. If you were really town you'd be proving it by lynching scum, not throwing shade because we're scumhunting. Disinfo didn't immediately agree with you, he disregarded your case by saying im not a morning person. Are you reading the same thread as I am?
On December 20 2016 01:54 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote:
Feels like you are playing a game against this thread Exo.
Kmatt buddying
Disinfo defending
Koshi also mafia?
It's weird I don't think disinfo is scum, I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious.
On December 20 2016 02:08 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:02 Koshi wrote:On December 20 2016 01:59 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:57 Koshi wrote:On December 20 2016 01:54 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 01:49 Koshi wrote:
Feels like you are playing a game against this thread Exo.
Kmatt buddying
Disinfo defending
Koshi also mafia?
It's weird I don't think disinfo is scum, I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. O rly? Can you explain why? I don't have a fucking reason to think he's scum yet. Especially when kmatt is over here omgusing me at the first thing I say and you are defending him like crazy. Do I already need to have a 5 page analysis on why I think every player is town? I'm not going to operate from the assumption that everyone is scum, that's fucking retarded. I'll scum read someone when I have a reason to think they are scum You are focussing on the wrong part of that sentence. I'm saying you guys not finding him suspicious if you think I'm scum, is suspicious. Why? Goddamn each refresh is a new red alert from my virusthingie. If you think I'm a scum: Kmatt comes into the thread and votes me. Disinfo basically brushes off the case saying I'm not a morning person and tries to redirect the conversation elsewhere. If you think I'm scum, why are you both ignoring disinfo doing this? Either you (and kmatt) don't really think I'm scum, or are ignoring disinfo here for some reason I cannot fathom. your turn Why aren't you scum reading him if you think I'm scum? [/b][/b]
On December 20 2016 02:15 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:11 Holyflare wrote:
Then why the fuck are you angry at mafia calling you mafia? What possible reason is there for you to be tilted that he's playing his alignment?
What I'm saying is and what you've now confirmed is you're getting tilted by someone doing a shit play when it's their literal job to do that. It doesn't make sense at all. What if they aren't mafia? I don't like being called mafia at all. Especially for bullshit reasons. Literally look at the end of the most recent game I played. If you think this is getting "tilted" then I get tilted easily I guess. I don't understand why I'm not allowed to be tilted, especially when I say one sentence and am immediately voted and teamed by 2 people. Either way it's far too early in the thread for me to lock into both of them being mafia. So I can't just brush them off entirely. THAT would be a scummy thing to do.
On December 20 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
So you think he's mafia for a bull shit vote
You get tilted regardless
You think disformation isn't suspicious
You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious
You say that you are implying they are mafia
You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong
Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic.
Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for.
On December 20 2016 02:31 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:24 Holyflare wrote:
I cannot for the life of me fathom how someone can say people are suspicious for not pushing a non-suspicious person. Why is disinfo not-suspicious? My logic is this: Koshi/Kmatt think I'm scum Disinfo immediately tries to deflect the thread away from kmatt's scum reading of me Therefore if Koshi/Kmatt are really town, who really think I'm scum, they should at least be questioning disinfo
On December 20 2016 02:39 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2016 02:33 Holyflare wrote:On December 20 2016 02:27 ExO_ wrote:On December 20 2016 02:21 Holyflare wrote:
So you think he's mafia for a bull shit vote
You get tilted regardless
You think disformation isn't suspicious
You push koshi and kmatt as suspicious for not finding disfo suspicious
You say that you are implying they are mafia
You say they might not be mafia and you might be wrong
Is that a fair summary? Can you explain why they should be suspicious of disformation? I'm about 100% sure koshi voted you for being angry at kmatt playing the game instead of some circular deflection logic.
Why does that make them suspicious instead of disformation ACTUALLY being suspicious? Like in a world where you're town you're saying 2 mafia/towns should find someone deflecting off a town you suspicious so why aren't you calling disformation suspicious at all?? I don't agree with your assessment of why Koshi "voted" me. Let Koshi speak for Koshi. I wasn't angry at Kmatt for playing the game, I was angry at being immediately OMGUSed, and I don't think it makes any sense for Koshi to vote me based on that. They should be suspicious of disinformation because he brushed off anything kmatt was trying to say about me being scum and tried to move the conversation elsewhere. If I'm scum, and disinfo is immediately trying to move the conversation elsewhere, it should be suspicious. What I'm implying is by not even saying anything about disinfo they are acting suspiciously, and looks scum-indicative to me. I know I'm town. So in order for me to find disinfo suspicious I have to think that he's ignoring what kmatt said about me not because he thinks its bad (which is the obvious conclusion in my mind) but becuase he's mafia just wanting to skirt by. That's not impossible I guess, but I don't think its nearly enough to scum read him for. But disformation finds your deflections scummy and has even said so. Why can't he be mafia avoiding a town vs town conflict because that's not what he wants to push or get into? He's just throwing minor accusations around and "doesn't want to make a comment on it yet" which is the exact response I'd expect of a mafia skating by. I'd expect you to be pushing this exact point. I'm gonna let you slide for now because there's always room for improvement. Make a stance on people please with indicative terms like mafia/town/null. That would be useful. At the time when I first posted, disinfo hadn't mentioned anything about finding me scummy. My initial reasoning for why they should find disinfo scummy stems from his initial post, not his posting after that. When you are asking me to explain my reasoning I can't just retroactively add in information to my posts that I didn't have at the time. And come off your high horse. "there's always room for improvement" blah blah blah. Shit like that just pisses me off
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I'm at something that looks like that:
TOWN
LS
Koshi/HF
SL/Kmatt
disfo/Slam
Exo
SCUM
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Alright going to bed mates, see you tomorrow (=
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On December 20 2016 13:00 ExO_ wrote:
Just got home from work. Jesus Christ though, this is just like touhou mafia. Scum read on day 1 for bullshit.
'll tell you this much: I'm VT. Every time I've claimed VT on TL mafia forums I have been VT, check for yourself if you don't believe me. Yeah yeah, I'm helping scum blue hunt blah blah blah (though we don't even know if there is a blue in this game) but I feel like this is the best way I can help town. Day 1 is always a shit show. And what you're getting from me is my thoughts as I get them in my head. I'm not carefully thinking them through about how it would make me look, I'm just laying them out. If you want to come up with some bullshit justification for why that makes me scum, then fine. I get tilted and I know it. I also know that it puts me into a great position to look at the thread and gauge the reactions to the scum read of me, and use that information to figure out who might be scum. But I'm not gonna lie right now it's hard to want to do that.
And @rels idk what you were reading, but HF repeatedly asked me about the disinfo thing. It's why I went back to it multiple times to explain to him what he didn't seem to understand. Regardless I was tilted and operating from the assumption that kmatt/Koshi would be scum together. They might not be, but I felt like I was getting gang banged right of the gate by them and I was tunneled on them.
I don't know what else you want from me. I've never been a player (esp on day 1) that's been good at diving filters and pointing out inconsistencies, scum-meta reads, etc...I've always been better at fighting to show others I am town. You might not like it, but that's the player I am. If everyone has already decided that somehow my play this game makes me scum and/or is going to be patronizing assholes (a la HF) then I don't know what else I can do. But if people are actually willing to work with me then I can show that I'm town.
Yep, he repeatedly pressured you on that thought and you kept saying the same things over and over.
If you're town I understand your frustration after being lynched day 1 last game. But again, you have no attempt to scumhunt in this big post, only emotional BS.
If you wanna work with people, let's talk. Who would you lynch right now ?
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On December 20 2016 18:05 Koshi wrote:I reread Exo and the first 10 pages of the game and nothing Exo did is showing any mafia mindset. I think the case on him boils down to "odd town play". The case Rels makes on Exo, I don't know if that makes him mafia, it is a very odd play for mafia to constantly push such a deep idea while defending. Show nested quote +"If you think I am mafia you should also think disformation is mafia, but you don't think disformation is mafia so you are mafia". I am reading Exo more like odd town than cornered mafia. So currently I still don't like disinformation, sicklucker, Alakaslam & Rels. I might really not like Rels.
Why ?
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