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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 01 2016 19:25 GMT
#12
/in
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 06 2016 15:21 GMT
#64
Why are there suggestions for the cop to claim during D1? Why not end of N1 when theres a chance at 2 checks?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 07 2016 18:27 GMT
#120
cakepie is it okay if I just sheep you today?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 07 2016 18:43 GMT
#122


k well I either want to lynch TW or no-lynch today.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 07 2016 19:04 GMT
#124
On December 08 2016 03:46 cakepie wrote:
Like wtf H1, at least try. Maybe we've exhausted the available material on TW, but tell me something about NU or ExO or CRay.


ExO has maintained that the cop should claim. I dont particularly agree, I'd rather tempt fate on a no-lynch and have the cop end-of-night phase post their N0 check, with the possibility of getting a N1 check as well. Besides that, ExO is doing a poor job of actually reading the thread, and I'm not sure where that falls on the scummy/stupid scale so I dont want to pursue a lynch there.


I like CR's posts, his suspicions, questions, justifications for everything are well reasoned and show appropriate suspicion.


I do not like NU's overly defensive tone following the daypost when CR accused TW/NU of hiding behind poorly reasoned math.
+ Show Spoiler [#86] +
On December 07 2016 10:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 07:47 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'd lynch either Tumblewood or NeverUnlucky. Both of them posted a bunch of game math yesterday, with the mistake of assuming everything goes well for town, even going as far as avoiding the scenario where either the cop or medic dies. A town looking at game math usually thinks about worst case scenarios and how to avoid them, whereas scum try to convince town of the best case scenarios happening. Neither of them even mentioned the possibility of cop or medic dying, probably because Koshi was a respect kill and not a blue snipe.

I find it opportunistic that you call me and tw out on our lack of assumptions now that the medic was shanked rather than when we were actually discussing it ie I doubt that you would be reproaching us this if it was a VT that flipped today.

Also, I dislike that you are entering the day with two targets you'd like to see lynched, especially since pretty much nothing happened N0, so I don't understand how you're ready to see myself or tw lynched already. Also, I don't think your justification to scum-read either of us is worthy of calling us lynch targets.



Especially the 2nd paragraph in the above spoiler, it reads to me as less about NU being one of the targets and more about CR having more than one target, when they're being accused with same reasoning. Why would CR be inclined to single someone out in this scenario? To me, there's no reason for it and NU's post comes off as contrived to me.


As you said, most of the TW material has been covered so I'll skip over it. Also, I think you're town.

My vote preferences are:
1-No-Lynch
2-TW
3-NU
4-ExO
5-CR
6-cake
7-me


Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 07 2016 19:41 GMT
#126
On December 08 2016 04:26 cakepie wrote:
You've given me some insight into something that was of interest to me. Thanks.



Show nested quote +
On December 08 2016 04:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
I like CR's posts, his suspicions, questions, justifications for everything are well reasoned and show appropriate suspicion.

But would you agree that it doesn't quite pass muster for both scum NU+TW to come out and try to dictate plan to town?


Show nested quote +
On December 08 2016 04:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
ExO is doing a poor job of actually reading the thread

Is this for #107 + #110 or is there something else that makes you say this?

Re: CR - I wouldn't dismiss the notion out of hand, but its not high on my gutcheck rating. Being able to come out on blue-planning is a really safe way for mafia to seem invested without actually doing anything. That is only compounded by the fact that our doc got shot first, rendering a huge portion of N0 reasoning useless for the purposes of planning. CR is at least trying to use those posts to get reads.

Re: ExO - There are those two posts, and then there is him somehow thinking there are 50+ pages [#96. #97]. That might have been sarcasm? I'm not seeing a motive for him to do this as either faction other than straight up carelessness, its more of an annoyance than a scumread atm.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 16:29 GMT
#173
On December 09 2016 01:27 Tumblewood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 01:14 cakepie wrote:
On December 09 2016 00:46 Tumblewood wrote:
speaking of Koshi, cakepie's performance in this game really reminds me of Koshi in R1H mafia.tunneled on me all game with a bad but extensively written case and refused to back down, and also won. Koshi was mafia that game btw


You're trying to apply Koshi meta on me. That's ... disingenuous.

fair point, except the part where it's disingenuous.

you're taking one persons meta and applying it to another person. Thats fucking ludicrous. I'm <-> this close to just putting a vote on you to see if scum mylo victory, but I wont.

##vote: No Lynch

My previous list stands.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 19:01 GMT
#197
On December 09 2016 02:02 Tumblewood wrote:
well I'm never going to convince you that you're scum. but understand that I am doing the best job I can finding scum using logic I consider to be good.

TW, you think cakepie is scum? What the fucking fuck? Please respond to this with either "I think cakepie is scum" or "I do not think cakepie is scum".


Thank you for your cooperation, Tumblewood.






On December 09 2016 02:40 NeverUnlucky wrote:
I went over H1's filter.

He has two posts of substance being 124 and 126.

124: + Show Spoiler +
On December 08 2016 04:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2016 03:46 cakepie wrote:
Like wtf H1, at least try. Maybe we've exhausted the available material on TW, but tell me something about NU or ExO or CRay.


ExO has maintained that the cop should claim. I dont particularly agree, I'd rather tempt fate on a no-lynch and have the cop end-of-night phase post their N0 check, with the possibility of getting a N1 check as well. Besides that, ExO is doing a poor job of actually reading the thread, and I'm not sure where that falls on the scummy/stupid scale so I dont want to pursue a lynch there.


I like CR's posts, his suspicions, questions, justifications for everything are well reasoned and show appropriate suspicion.


I do not like NU's overly defensive tone following the daypost when CR accused TW/NU of hiding behind poorly reasoned math.
+ Show Spoiler [#86] +
On December 07 2016 10:01 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2016 07:47 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'd lynch either Tumblewood or NeverUnlucky. Both of them posted a bunch of game math yesterday, with the mistake of assuming everything goes well for town, even going as far as avoiding the scenario where either the cop or medic dies. A town looking at game math usually thinks about worst case scenarios and how to avoid them, whereas scum try to convince town of the best case scenarios happening. Neither of them even mentioned the possibility of cop or medic dying, probably because Koshi was a respect kill and not a blue snipe.

I find it opportunistic that you call me and tw out on our lack of assumptions now that the medic was shanked rather than when we were actually discussing it ie I doubt that you would be reproaching us this if it was a VT that flipped today.

Also, I dislike that you are entering the day with two targets you'd like to see lynched, especially since pretty much nothing happened N0, so I don't understand how you're ready to see myself or tw lynched already. Also, I don't think your justification to scum-read either of us is worthy of calling us lynch targets.



Especially the 2nd paragraph in the above spoiler, it reads to me as less about NU being one of the targets and more about CR having more than one target, when they're being accused with same reasoning. Why would CR be inclined to single someone out in this scenario? To me, there's no reason for it and NU's post comes off as contrived to me.


As you said, most of the TW material has been covered so I'll skip over it. Also, I think you're town.

My vote preferences are:
1-No-Lynch
2-TW
3-NU
4-ExO
5-CR
6-cake
7-me



-His ExO read is wishy-washy.
-I disagree with his CR read, but at least he is consistent with it in 126 + Show Spoiler +
On December 08 2016 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2016 04:26 cakepie wrote:
You've given me some insight into something that was of interest to me. Thanks.



On December 08 2016 04:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
I like CR's posts, his suspicions, questions, justifications for everything are well reasoned and show appropriate suspicion.

But would you agree that it doesn't quite pass muster for both scum NU+TW to come out and try to dictate plan to town?


On December 08 2016 04:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
ExO is doing a poor job of actually reading the thread

Is this for #107 + #110 or is there something else that makes you say this?

Re: CR - I wouldn't dismiss the notion out of hand, but its not high on my gutcheck rating. Being able to come out on blue-planning is a really safe way for mafia to seem invested without actually doing anything. That is only compounded by the fact that our doc got shot first, rendering a huge portion of N0 reasoning useless for the purposes of planning. CR is at least trying to use those posts to get reads.

Re: ExO - There are those two posts, and then there is him somehow thinking there are 50+ pages [#96. #97]. That might have been sarcasm? I'm not seeing a motive for him to do this as either faction other than straight up carelessness, its more of an annoyance than a scumread atm.

-His paragraph on me states that my tone is defensive, but when I read the post he quoted, I have the opposite impression of the post. It reads as aggressive as I'm the one who's attacking CR. He even acknowledges that in his following paragraph, so I think he's being inconsistent here.

Also, clarification @hopeless: I was not calling out Ray for having more than one target; I was calling him out for ENTERING the day with targets in mind ie it feels fabricated to start a day with an idea of who to push.

-Lazy sheeping of cake's tw read.




My take: Null? I disagree with him on points, and he seems lazy on some other points, but I can't find anything objectively scummy in his filter.

Hopeless: What is your updated read on CR, myself and Exo?

All three of you are in that -null- zone. TW is *still* my priority lynch if a gun was held to my head. CR and ExO havent given much, you've given some to make me think you're not as scummy in general, especially compared to TW.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 19:02 GMT
#198
On December 09 2016 03:20 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 03:15 cakepie wrote:
Did H1 just vote and bugger off? Meh.

Yes.

Also, I noticed that in his last post he wrote: "My previous list stands"

I find it hard to believe that his stance on CRay, ExO and me haven't changed since, especially since I think that his reads weren't strong at the time.

My reads on the listed werent strong to begin with and they still arent, my strong reads are TW and cake.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 19:06 GMT
#199
On December 09 2016 03:15 cakepie wrote:
Did H1 just vote and bugger off? Meh.

At the very least, I voted to No-Lynch, rather than give the remotest possibility that scum would be able to win right now. Now the wifom becomes: would i call attention to this if i was scum?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 19:11 GMT
#201
On December 09 2016 04:07 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 04:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
All three of you are in that -null- zone. TW is *still* my priority lynch if a gun was held to my head. CR and ExO havent given much, you've given some to make me think you're not as scummy in general, especially compared to TW.

Yet not enough to elevate NU above CR & Exo?

stop asking me real questions..Fine my previous list was wrong. TW-ExO-CR-NU-cake-me
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 19:12 GMT
#202
but really, thank you for putting in the work for town cakepie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 19:35 GMT
#207
On December 09 2016 04:33 Tumblewood wrote:
ray, accusing someone of distancing is not an argument for them being scum. also, being concerned with one's perception is a pretty weak tell, because both town and scum do it + Show Spoiler +
turns out no one likes being lynched
and because the line between "a regular amount" and "too much" is incredibly subjective



Incredibly subjective


not an argument for them being scum



Pick one and proceed.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 19:38 GMT
#208
also

[quote][QUOTE]On December 09 2016 04:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 09 2016 02:02 Tumblewood wrote:
well I'm never going to convince you that you're scum. but understand that I am doing the best job I can finding scum using logic I consider to be good.[/QUOTE]
TW, you think cakepie is scum? What the fucking fuck? Please respond to this with either "I think cakepie is scum" or "I do not think cakepie is scum".


Thank you for your cooperation, Tumblewood.





[/quote]
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 19:39 GMT
#209
EBWOP: Shitty nested quotes

also

On December 09 2016 04:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 02:02 Tumblewood wrote:
well I'm never going to convince you that you're scum. but understand that I am doing the best job I can finding scum using logic I consider to be good.

TW, you think cakepie is scum? What the fucking fuck? Please respond to this with either "I think cakepie is scum" or "I do not think cakepie is scum".


Thank you for your cooperation, Tumblewood.





Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 19:42 GMT
#211
On December 09 2016 04:40 Tumblewood wrote:
re: cakepie - ExO's mistake was very likely unintentional. it's not something I've ever seen faked by mafia. if it was a mistake, then the information effectively was new to ExO, even if it was always there.

I gave you acceptable answers in quotations. Pick one and submit your response.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 19:44 GMT
#213
On December 09 2016 04:43 cakepie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 04:40 Tumblewood wrote:
re: cakepie - ExO's mistake was very likely unintentional. it's not something I've ever seen faked by mafia. if it was a mistake, then the information effectively was new to ExO, even if it was always there.

The problem is you're thinking "it's not mafia faking a town!mistake".
Whereas I'm exploring "could be mafia committing a forced error".

the simplest answer is exo is illiterate.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 19:46 GMT
#214
TW you ever gonna answer my direct and binary questions?
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 19:47 GMT
#215
a little over 2 hours left today..TW if I dont get an answer in the next hour I'm voting you.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
December 08 2016 20:24 GMT
#219
I mean...that was one of them TW, the other was most recently #209

..

You've been voted and are dancing around giving me an answer. The thread, and my filter, are not that long. This is ridiculous. I'll give you until the hour I gave you is up.
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