EPT[M][N] I'm a cop you idiot mafia --- the reboot
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claiming Vanilla Town. Going back to PoE | ||
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On December 06 2016 15:52 Tumblewood wrote: ugh I hope this isn't "hi I'm VT bye" because night doesn't mean we can't play. especially when you won't get killed for your reads because N0 And what if it is? | ||
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On December 06 2016 15:56 Tumblewood wrote: pls it's 25/42 odds (so about 59%?) of prerequisites. anyway even if the odds slightly favor us I'd rather play a solid game with real reads and such. blue roles are boring Cop should 100% claim tomorrow, regardless of what happens. | ||
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On December 06 2016 17:30 Koshi wrote: Oh no doc save N0. That makes more sense. I am going to do nothing and see if mafia respect kills me. If Koshi doesn't die tonight kill him tomorrow | ||
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Looks kinda bad though with doc dead :/. I'll be honest I dont feel like reading through the 45ish pages right now but maybe after I've had a little bit of time to relax | ||
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I pretty much don't agree with NU's line of thinking regarding TW trying to buddy him, but I think his activity (lol) and bothering to explain it like that makes him town to me. Ray looks sketchy to me. TW looks Town. | ||
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On December 07 2016 00:21 Hopeless1der wrote: Why are there suggestions for the cop to claim during D1? Why not end of N1 when theres a chance at 2 checks? is his 1 post. I think scum if he says nothing else | ||
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NU says (I had a hell of a time trying to copy/paste this quote so I'm just copy pasting the direct portion): "His posts don't seem like he's trying to appear good rather like he's saying what he thinks." And I think this is a hella convoluted thing to say. Saying what you think isn't necessarily a town indicator, and conversely trying to appear good isn't soley a scum indicator. I don't have a good reason for this though, but twice he's said he likes to "reward town for giving a shit". [+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On December 07 2016 14:26 Tumblewood wrote: it's my way of trying to get people to be active. I reward people for trying if town is dead. the way he's speaking about "rewarding town" instead of rewarding a player is really fucking off. You reward a player with town cred, you don't "reward town" for speaking. Best lead I have so far. But I'm skeptical. What if I'm just seeing your read and starting to suspect him because of that instead of actual scum slipping. hm :/ | ||
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"I don't have a good reason for this though, but twice he's said he likes to "reward town for giving a shit". I've switched to talking about TW again | ||
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Cop should claim ASAP This is the situation we are in: mislynch and lose. In an ideal world, cop doesn't claim today and we move on to night, coming back the next day with cop claiming and giving information. However if Scum, or the Cop is on the chopping block today, they will almost certainly claim/fake claim cop. If nobody is claiming cop at EoD it almost certainly means we are lynching VT. Our focus has to be getting through TODAY. We don't have the luxury of being able to reliably lynch 2 people. Our best bet of figuring out who is telling the truth, and who is lying is to get the discussion about it happening now. If nobody Counter Claims Cop, we're fine. If 2 people do claim cop, we want as much discussion time about it as possible to work it out. This mean cop is essentially going to die at night, and that kinda sucks. But I think its our best bet to actually get out of day 1. I can't see scum just laying down and dying if they are on the chopping block so the Claim/Counter Claim scenario happens in our best case scenario. We should get it going NOW instead of later. | ||
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On December 07 2016 16:26 Chairman Ray wrote: Just to expand on my previous point, I didn't mean that scum would only post in best case scenarios, but instead that they might mistakenly ignore a very obvious scenario that town wouldn't. The one scenario that was almost ignored was a blue getting killed N0. If they were town, they could have genuinely believed that if a blue died, we don't have to do anything differently, but if they were mafia, maybe they weren't planning to blue snipe so they ignored it. But the bigger thing they left out was the scenario that mafia fakeclaims, in which case there are no confirmed town or redchecks on D1. There's a fairly good chunk of math in this scenario which they shouldn't have ignored. Unless of course they knew that mafia wasn't going to fakeclaim, and look where we are now. So just to summarize, these are my suspicions: - TW and NU post math assuming that blue roles don't die - Koshi was killed, who I don't think was a blue snipe - TW and NU ignore the scenario that mafia fakeclaims - Mafia aren't fakeclaiming So yes, I think it's very possible that they were just speaking casually on whatever was at the top of their mind, but given that they decided to math out a very narrow scenario without much reasoning, and that scenario happened exactly as they assumed, it seems like a really big coincidence. This is what I have a problem with @cakepie. TW and NU post math that assume blue roles don't die. But that's not scummy in the slightest. Scum have absolutely 0 way of knowing if they are going to catch a blue or a VT. They mapped out scenarios in which blues don't die on N0 and then blues did die on N0. The scenario didn't happen exactly as they assumed. The lack of fake claiming at this point doesn't mean much. It will happen eventually but just because it hadn't happened (and especially when CR posted) doesn't mean it won't happen. Using all of that reasoning to imply that TW and NU are scum is complete bullshit imo. And the cherry on top is he back pedals with "but its possible they were just casually speaking whatever was on the top of their mind" Summed up "Yeah I wanna imply that you guys are scum with really bad reasoning, but not commit to it." Looks sketchy and very possible scum-filler type of post. | ||
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On December 08 2016 04:41 Hopeless1der wrote: Re: CR - I wouldn't dismiss the notion out of hand, but its not high on my gutcheck rating. Being able to come out on blue-planning is a really safe way for mafia to seem invested without actually doing anything. That is only compounded by the fact that our doc got shot first, rendering a huge portion of N0 reasoning useless for the purposes of planning. CR is at least trying to use those posts to get reads. Re: ExO - There are those two posts, and then there is him somehow thinking there are 50+ pages [#96. #97]. That might have been sarcasm? I'm not seeing a motive for him to do this as either faction other than straight up carelessness, its more of an annoyance than a scumread atm. I literally misread 5 as 50, b/c every other TL mafia game I've played (mostly I've played large ones) has a bajillion pages and I saw the 5 and thought it was 50. | ||
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