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On December 10 2016 09:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 09:16 Tumblewood wrote:
so that's where I crumbed my checks But dude, if you were NKed, nobody would've thought about looking this deep into your filter ie your death would've been pointless. Also, you didn't claim before EoN what your checks were/were going to be like cakepie did (Although i still dont know what they would be). It looks fabricated to me. That's what a mafia crumb would look like imo
I was busy as usual fron 1:15 to 2:15 and figured that if I couldn't post just before deadline it was best to wait till after so I wouldn't die, because I was preeetty confident mafia wouldn't kill the #1 scumread of most of the game
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and i don't know that there's a difference between mafia and town crumbing, except maybe in the timing.
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On December 10 2016 09:47 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 09:38 Tumblewood wrote:On December 10 2016 09:19 NeverUnlucky wrote:On December 10 2016 09:16 Tumblewood wrote:
so that's where I crumbed my checks But dude, if you were NKed, nobody would've thought about looking this deep into your filter ie your death would've been pointless. Also, you didn't claim before EoN what your checks were/were going to be like cakepie did (Although i still dont know what they would be). It looks fabricated to me. That's what a mafia crumb would look like imo I was busy as usual fron 1:15 to 2:15 and figured that if I couldn't post just before deadline it was best to wait till after so I wouldn't die, because I was preeetty confident mafia wouldn't kill the #1 scumread of most of the game Okay, right. I'm not fully sold on your previous post on cakepie tbh. It's kind of a weak read I think. How would you describe your confidence on your reads that are not CR in %? Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 09:39 Tumblewood wrote:
and i don't know that there's a difference between mafia and town crumbing, except maybe in the timing. Forget that, I wouldn't know.
well my read on cakepie is 100% (okay, 99% in case he's really, really bad and/or trying to lose the game) because of the fakeclaim, but before he claimed it was more like a 90%.
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On December 10 2016 09:48 cakepie wrote:
I'm going to cash in all the towncred I've banked and issue these orders.
No one votes without thorough discussion and town consensus.
ExO and Ray need to get their asses in here.
Don't be lazy. Read my case.
I'm working out the possibilities but I need everyone to be present.
what possibilities
either you and ray are scum, or I and ExO/NU/ray are scum. there is no other possibility
and your town cred means nothing. you lost it all already
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and your "case" looked more like a quote of every post in the game with a couple sentences after each one
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jesus. I was thinking "I wonder: if I were mafia, would it be a good strategy to have both partners claim so one could get trust?" and then I thought "naw, that means town only has to pick the right one out of 3 options, once." but then you went ahead and did it.
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On December 10 2016 09:57 cakepie wrote:
That's way too many of us. I'm not sure there's enough room in the police car.
ExO, just to be sure, you're not some kind of super secret deep undercover cop, are you?
Like, your VT claim is for realsies and you're not a cop who fakeclaimed VT?
cakepie. did you just, while claiming cop, ask ExO if he is cop?
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On December 10 2016 10:05 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 10:04 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Ray's claim is way too convenient, and I think TW is the real cop due to my reasoning in 331.
##Vote Chairman Ray
If you hammer, please have the decency of telling your alignment while we wait for the end game post. How did you know game was going to end? SCUMSLIP SCUMSLIP SCUMSLIP
are you kidding me
this is some weak shit right here
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On December 10 2016 10:06 cakepie wrote:
NU, unvote. That's an order.
I guess by principle he should but I'm not really worried if someone does hammer
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On December 10 2016 10:33 cakepie wrote:
NU, have you read my hugefuckingcase? Don't be lazy. Read it.
We're going to need to solve this game with very little help of cop powers.
if a case needs to be a hugefuckingcase to be good, then it's not really a good case. after ten quotes or so a case moves from the "thorough" category to the "just quoted every post in the game and added some analysis" category.
maybe what you say is valid but if it is you should be able to make it not a juggernaut of a post
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On December 10 2016 10:35 cakepie wrote:
because I was busy around deadline and it was less risky to wait till day (because let's be honest: mafia was never killing me there without a claim)
thinking about it now maybe it would have been best to claim way early and either let mafia counterclaim me or kill me and validate my words
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On December 10 2016 10:51 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 10:07 Tumblewood wrote:On December 10 2016 10:06 cakepie wrote:
NU, unvote. That's an order. I guess by principle he should but I'm not really worried if someone does hammer Because that means you'd win. Either as townwinner or as scumwinner. You're only interested in using your claim and checks to solve the game by yourself. That's very selfish. It's lylo. You have to convince town of your claim. You have to dispel all counterclaims. You shouldn't just dump it and expect everyone to take it at face value. You have to show why your checks, PLUS the available evidence in the game thread, all ties together in a coherent narrative that solves the game. Unfortunately, craycray and I don't have reads that in themselves solve the game. As I already said, we have to solve this game with very little help of cop powers. Assuming all cop claims being equal and nothing else, we need to be given a fair chance to put together our respective narratives.
> very little help of cop powers
how the fuck is it selfish to use the information I have to help town win the game?
and the word narrative concerns me. in the context of explaining a case, usually it involves taking someone else's posts and, without their explanation and usually with several leaps in logic, explaining the ulterior motive behind them. I plan on convincing town that I am cop and that ray is scum and that you would never fakeclaim as vt but that you're both clear scum anyway. also that you and he have associated yourselves so so much.
but I want exo here first
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On December 10 2016 13:14 ExO_ wrote:
For starters just browsing, how the fuck can you claim cop without posting your checks cakepie? It makes no fucking sense. Claim cop without posting who you checked and who you are checking the next night is fake as fuck
I think cakepie is now calling that a fakeclaim? because clearly he doesn't have much of a problem with ray, and he asked you if you were cop, but there's no point where he officially rescinds his claim.
one of the worst claims/fakeclaims I've ever seen
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On December 10 2016 13:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 13:27 Tumblewood wrote:On December 10 2016 13:14 ExO_ wrote:
For starters just browsing, how the fuck can you claim cop without posting your checks cakepie? It makes no fucking sense. Claim cop without posting who you checked and who you are checking the next night is fake as fuck I think cakepie is now calling that a fakeclaim? because clearly he doesn't have much of a problem with ray, and he asked you if you were cop, but there's no point where he officially rescinds his claim. one of the worst claims/fakeclaims I've ever seen Why are you saying claim/fake-claim if you're cop????
it just felt a little too skewed to just call it a fakeclaim. I know it was a fakeclaim, but I had that sitting there and it felt too in-your-face so I changed it
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yeah I'll let you sleep on that NU. no sense in rushing it, we have the full 48 hours if you need to be absolutely sure
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back at 90% on cakepie. this has potential to be, instead of mafia, the worst townie I have seen in a long time. if he can post Well, I’m not going to post a huge ordered list or give townreads and help scum prioritize out who to kill off. I can maaaybe believe in such a bad fakeclaim.
... actually, even in a world where VT fakeclaims are acceptable, what's the point of posting right before deadline when the whole purpose of doing that is so scum won't have time to react? why not bait it by posting 3 minutes early?
or why would you associate yourself with ray (it really is obvious) all game if you have no special relation to him?
I'll give it a 95% chance cakepie is scum. exo, if you could just play well for a couple days and ease my doubts, that would be nice.
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oh jesus what's this big postOn December 10 2016 15:24 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 14:50 cakepie wrote:
If NU is town, then -- no offense -- you've been selected as the weakest link by scum. So this game rests on your shoulders. scum!(tw+exo) see NU as the one the can get to vote with them. But I'm the fucking weakest link now with unforced error.
I'm not actually a super strong player or anything like that. At least, I don't think so given my track record: - NMM33: used logic. Logic was mostly sound but being VT and lacking role information, I input one incorrect premise into my logic, based on a tunneled read. I try to make a big play and go shenannies with it. Fortunately, scum had not run the logic themselves, so they committed a forced error. And the player with the actual role had also looked into the logic and caught on so he was ready to save the game from my mistake. We won the game but no thanks to me.
- NMM36: replaced in, obvious TvT situation. Was too late and barely wasn't able to save the doc who got mislynched D2. Got the town together. I spent a lot of time D3 trying to get the townies who were going to be left alive D4 to townread each other, but they had built up so much animosity from TvT and were so exhausted that it was a difficult and ultimately futile exercise. Fortunately, scum had been coasting off of TvT, and didn't keep up with town after EoD2 so we won handily with scum lynch+modkill on D3. I was criticized for overcomplicating things on D3 (doing things with D4 motivations) and told to "find scum, lynch scum, be happy".
- Aperture 2 Ep 2: large themed game with role madness. I felt completely lost and useless. Was among the weak players that were killed off closed to the end. We lost.
- NSM8: Didn't have enough time, played like utter shit. Got pushed by both scum and town and got mislynched D1 as VT. We lost.
NSM8 taught me to make sure I have fuckloads of time (I am a very slow plaer) and to put in tons of effort. Those lessons are freshest in my mind since it's most recent, and I lost in a really shitty way. So I applied them in this game. Stepping up and being town leader wasn't my intention coming into the game. But I saw busy people, away people and lazy people, so it fell upon me to put in the work for town. Being town leader was a new and strange thing for me. I'm not even that good, but I've tried my darndest and succeeded in establishing myself town. I also tried to "find scum, lynch scum, be happy". I picked the scummiest target, pushed the read as far as I could. Then, the next target, and take it as far as I can again. This was okay and I knew there would be weak parts of the reads. But it is informative to see how people react. It is also informative to provide material for discussion -- which is why I was somewhat dismayed by the lack of discussion. On the other hand, this approach led several of you to think that I'm trying too hard to find scumtells. Things were pretty good though, until I forgot the lessons from long ago ( NMM33 and NMM36 ) and decided to do unnecessary shit and make a big play. Now we're fucked unless someone -- most likely NU -- is willing to hear me out on good faith. So I'm going to submit that it's within my meta for me to fuck up like that. The way I use logic too, even if that seems alien to you. I really hope that people are bothered enough to actually put in effort to go look at my meta. Sorry to increase the burden on you. If you can't be bothered or don't believe me, then I will shamefully accept responsibility for losing the game. You're not going to get seals from me, though. I'm town.
I'm not lynching you today, not with an absolute certainty on the board. but consider that, if you're town, then exo has to be scum and must be playing a pretty damn good game. come 2v1 LyLo, you can sort things out (assuming I die so scum doesn't let me check all but one surviving player, and that we don't lose the game today), and I will try to make things as easy as possible for NU, who I predict is the axis vote in this case.
but don't get your hopes up too much 
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On December 10 2016 15:58 cakepie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2016 15:30 Tumblewood wrote:why not bait it by posting 3 minutes early? I did fake #280+281. Show nested quote +
or why would you associate yourself with ray (it really is obvious) all game if you have no special relation to him?
If you mean me calling him craycray, no particular reason. I just thought it would be a funny nickname. If it's me seeming to let him off the hook, that's because I was focusing on you, then ExO. If you have something you want to ask me about our interactions content-wise, fire away.
posting at the standard escape-NK time defeats the purpose of baiting the NK by claiming.
and with ray, it's that you never seem to pressure him, you just always see the good side, which isn't how you have treated the rest of the game.
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NU has been lynched D1 in every game he's ever played as scum. he is acting like he normally does in his town game, where he does not get lynched often. I will consider you vs ExO but NU is seriously out of the question
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just catching up nowOn December 11 2016 00:11 NeverUnlucky wrote:
TW:
Same question I asked ExO re: "How do you explain scum-reading [your] green-check the entirety of day 1 and making cases on 3 of the 5 other players, starting with [your] green-check and not doing a case on who [you] scum-read and ended up checking?"
it would have looked weird to act like everything was ok with 1der, because for a townie he looked preeeetty scummy.
for the same reason, it would have looked like TMI if I had acted like I knew 1der was town when as VT I would have probably been calling him scum.
I checked ray because I was uncertain about him, which was partially caused by the fact that I never organized my thoughts about him. initially I planned to get to everyone but making large cases burns me out fast.
hope this clears it up for ya
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