Also that fake claim as town was just fucking horrible. It had no chance of baiting out an actual shot with how late it was, and it took far too long to rescind

Cakepie is really the scum MVP here

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

December 11 2016 20:34 GMT

#571

On December 12 2016 05:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

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There is a time where you respect the immense amount of time and effort someone put in the game and don't bash them for being wrong when that has already been made clear.

That time would be now.

I don't think I'm being too harsh. Plus I'm salty about the ending. How can I not be after that ending?

But w/e. gg well played scum

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

December 11 2016 20:35 GMT

#573

On December 12 2016 05:34 cakepie wrote:

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Accepted.

Holy shit NU great job.

Time to sleep.

Man you've gotta explain to me wtf happened there. How'd you get so locked in, why the super late fake claim. Those massive wall posts. I'm so blown away right now that you aren't scum after that

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

December 11 2016 20:57 GMT

#577

I did consider the possibility that NU was scum. I specifically mention this.

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

December 11 2016 21:02 GMT

#578

I just couldn't see CP fake claiming and making these huge wall posts of fake analysis as town. It didn't make sense to me. Plus with the way CP/CR matched voting on Day 1.

I was really looking forward to choosing between NU/CP but I would almost certainly have voted out CP.

Im stilll super salty :/

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

December 11 2016 21:06 GMT

#580

I shouldn't say fake analysis I guess. It just looked fake to me with how off-base it was.

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

December 12 2016 04:55 GMT

#590

On December 12 2016 07:28 Chairman Ray wrote:

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i looked into h1s filter and saw some of the cop crumbs that cakepie analyzed, and so did NU. Well played by h1.

Can't believe you went and dug up my TLPD with my horrible record

, or that you even knew that was me

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

December 12 2016 08:30 GMT

#592

idk cakepie it's really hard for me to accept a lot of what you are saying. It's basically "yeah I fucked up, but its really everyone else's fault.

I don't give you points for "effort" when all the effort was completely in the wrong place. Especially after talking all that shit about the old guard and how good your methods are, and how wrong you were for so long. You let scum CR talk you into scum reading TW, and never questioned your own read but went deeper and deeper into the tunnel. How tinfoil do you have to be, to believe CR's cop claim, while simultaneously believing TW faked breadcrumbs, and posted 2.5x as much as CR.

That's why I was so sure you were the scum at the end of the game, I didn't see how you could possibly be townie. You did CR's job for him, after doing a highly questionable fake claim.

I don't mean to harp on you the game is over its whatever now. But I really don't think you have any place to be criticizing anybody else's gameplay

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

December 12 2016 10:33 GMT

#595

Cakepie I don't know you IRL, but I'm certainly not mad at you. I'm very passionate about games, and very competitive. and I hate losing. I would not want anything I'm saying here to affect you in your personal life though, certainly don't get depressed about this. I talk to you the way I do not to make you feel bad or down, but because I get invested in what I do.

But for me this is just a game. I wouldn't want this to affect your personal life. So please cheer up, I'll try to be a bit more careful with my words

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

December 12 2016 10:42 GMT

#596

Also unlike the hosts, I wasn't really aware of what was happening with your physical/mental health. You brought it up a few times in the thread but I didn't really understand the extent to which it was affecting you. Part of that is for most of the time I thought you were on the scum team and not meaning it. I really hope you get better soon.

Again I didn't mean to cause you any IRL distress. I'm apologize if my words affected you in that way

ExO_

United States2316 Posts

December 12 2016 12:37 GMT

#598

I think one thing you are missing acrofales, is that in my mind I what was happening was mafia team going for a "win now" strategy. I think at a certain point I even brought it up that I found it odd CP would defend his scum buddy to the ends of the earth now instead of going to the next day. But that's how I read it. It's not like I wasn't aware of:

"And more importantly, his teammate knows so too. It is very uncommon for a scum to go 100% all-in hard defense on his scumbuddy, because unlike townies: they know they are wrong, and they also know that if their defense fails, and the flip happens, they will look completely awful"

It's that there was only 1 day. Looking awful doesn't matter if you win immediately.

and iirc I also found it odd that NU was super concerned with what I thought about him, instead of killing the scum.

On December 11 2016 04:59 ExO_ wrote:

And again Day 1 I wrote the impressions I got as I read the thread. What motivation would I have to "backstab" you as scum? I wasn't trying to push you when you were afk at all. I find it a bit odd that right now you seem to care a lot about what people thought/think about you. But that's something to consider for another time.

What mattered that day though was killing the fake claim. And I think despite everything the case on CR was very clear. TW had breadcrumbs, higher effort and post count. CR was afk no breadcrumbs and not even defending. I honestly don't know what I could've done to convince cakepie. He saw the same things I did, but he was in a tunnel that I don't think I could've found a way to pull him out of.

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