[M][T] Host's Revenge Mafia

On November 23 2016 19:13 Rels wrote:

So it's not "bastard" in the mafia vocabulary sense. A bastard game is a game where it's possible that stuff that host says might not be true.

On December 13 2016 12:09 cakepie wrote:
/cohost

[edit]

/uncohost

I need to clear my head for a bit.
I'll /cohost again when I come back, if the game hasn't got going yet.

On December 14 2016 06:22 Calix wrote:


From my experience, a good chunk of mafia players are raving masochists who get off on being yelled at online so this isn't a surprise at all.

In fact, I'm pretty sure that I signed up to get fucked over too :D

I don't mind wherever I play or co-host, however, so don't change it. I'm totally down to troll everyone with you and Rels

On December 17 2016 01:37 Shapelog wrote:

Idk, you told me this game would ruin my rep. as a Host

I'll make you into a Waffle Iron instead.

On December 27 2016 09:16 ExO_ wrote:
Hi, claiming VT please don't kill me day 1 as VT again.

On December 27 2016 20:23 Time Traveler wrote:


How is this possible? Weren't we supposed to know when Balance Bills are happening? Plus they can only happen at the end of phases.

On December 28 2016 04:02 Time Traveler wrote:


What's your definition for "policy voting"?

On December 28 2016 05:44 Grackaroni wrote:
Could we pile some votes on LightningStrike please? I'd like to assert dominance.

On December 28 2016 06:06 disformation wrote:
Oh I am not actually playing. thats just in your head.

Havent read a Tictock post yet. Is that stuff good?

On December 27 2016 22:53 disformation wrote:
I dont like TT.
Order must be maintained.

On December 27 2016 11:45 Tictock wrote:


F that

On December 28 2016 08:20 Chezinu wrote:
Today, I am thankful for 48 hour days .

On December 28 2016 14:32 Tictock wrote:
Ok first thing, I reread the OP.

Any changes to the game will be formally stated. So for now we are most definitely in a 10v3 scenario.

Second off, I don't believe Super actually died. I think the hosts simply exiled him to an alternate dimension. This also seems like it would be the work of a certain planar dragon...

Discuss.

Oh and Thirdly Chez is Correct we should be sowing more Seeds this game.

On December 29 2016 03:19 LightningStrike wrote:
Dis and ExO why not lynch Grack?

On December 29 2016 05:14 GlowingBear wrote:


And what happens if he comes back? You'll change your vote?

Who do you think is scum?

On December 29 2016 05:23 GlowingBear wrote:


Here is what I don't understand, disfo:

You have grack as a scum lean and slam as null, but I don't see you pushing grack and then you vote slam?

I mean, you're voting someone because he is absent of townie posts over someone who has scummy posts (in your POV)? Why?

On December 28 2016 04:39 Superbia wrote:
Let's spice this up.

I have a proposition mods.

Flip your almighty coin:
Heads—Kill a person of my choice.
Tails—Kill me.

On December 29 2016 03:00 disformation wrote:
dunno gracks filter is a whole lot of nothing expressed in a lot of words. no reads / real hunting into defense against koshi.

On December 29 2016 04:02 Time Traveler wrote:
I'm sorry guys. It's just that I'm realising that playing a game here without knowing anyone is pretty hard, as I keep mixing everyone and I don't know who said anything so I'll use the typical ISO strat (or filter, as you say). I'll come in a while.

On December 29 2016 05:36 disformation wrote:
LS was scum in the game I just played. dont think he is scum here.

On December 29 2016 05:33 Grackaroni wrote:

Nonsense I've done more than most. More than you.

I just spend more time posting and there's a much smaller content to post ratio.

On December 29 2016 05:42 GlowingBear wrote:


Ok, I'll take a look later, but what makes you think he isn't scum here? Is it just meta?

On December 29 2016 01:13 LightningStrike wrote:

I starting to think it's more likely Grack unless what you said about Koshi in Dota 2 is correct.
This is the case on Grack by Koshi:

This was my addon to his case on grack:

I think it's better to lynch Grack since Slam and Chez are harder to read people until you let them just do their own thing especially Slam.
##Unvote
##Vote: Grackaroni

On December 29 2016 05:42 Grackaroni wrote:

Well Hoshi's been calling me out since his first post which was a whole while back. His complete avoidance of me while writing obnoxious posts makes me want to put more effort in to get rid of him.

On December 29 2016 05:43 Grackaroni wrote:

The GB wagon analysis is terrible because this game is all AFKs

On December 29 2016 05:55 Grackaroni wrote:
6 pages bitches. I plan to hit 10 before lynch time.

On December 29 2016 06:01 Superbia wrote:
Can anyone tell me why they think darth is town?

On December 27 2016 13:12 darthfoley wrote:
Yup the votes on Koshi are silly.

Also don't understand why ExO wants a biography about everyone's history of mafia playing. Seems very irrelevant and feels more scummy than towny. I legit don't understand why he's asking people about it.

Yayyy people claiming VT in a game of only VTs! Great plays.

I prefer Grack so far to be most town

On December 27 2016 13:43 darthfoley wrote:
Actually nvm, LS isnt that bad. Alakaslam has been the least impressive so far

On December 27 2016 15:28 darthfoley wrote:
Ticktock's entrance is definitely different than usual. However, motivated TT also makes me happy.

Anyone feel like ExO is trying a little too hard to scum hunt? I know the D1 lynch thing is becoming a meme, but uber aggression is not what I associated with his town play (from what i've seen).

I do find this post a bit odd, however.



sentence one implies i'm towny, sentence two implies no one is towny?

On December 28 2016 06:07 darthfoley wrote:


Also haven't been a huge fan of Dis, but can you explain or quote to your reasoning on TT? I think he's one of the townier people so far.

On December 29 2016 06:02 Superbia wrote:
I'm like 88.9% sure this dude is mafia strictly for his read progression on me compared to thread progression

On December 29 2016 02:12 darthfoley wrote:
People we shouldn't lynch today:
Koshi
GB
TT
ExO
Chez? I'm
Grack?

The problem is that my list of D1 of off limits people is quite small.

I was town reading Grack earlier, but I do need to reread his filter. Also don't necessarily trust Koshi at this point, do not sure. Either way I think there are better lynches today.

We have two people who are so sick they can't play! While that may be true, it's also such a mafia play. Especially getting sick on lynch day. Especially when they both say, "it's fine if you lynch me." I know it's WIFOMy but I kinda don't mind policy lynching people who tell me to lynch them. These would be Superbia and disformation.

Atm I also think Time Traveler is a good lynch. I don't remember him adding anything to the game-- not even trolling. Could easily be mafia

Alakaslam is also a good lynch. I hate wasting lynches on trolly people but we don't have a vigi currently and who knows what our glorious hosts may grace us with. If we do get something like a vigi, perhaps we wait on Slam.

Btdt... well, he might just get modkilled. Nothing to say about someone who hasn't posted once since confirming. Find this very odd considering you have to confirm to have the game start.

On December 29 2016 06:14 Tictock wrote:


I only found this in your filter.



Can you expand on why you liked Grack earlier but now find him scummy?

On December 27 2016 22:52 disformation wrote:
Time will tell. just the impression I got.
Think I like grack.
Not lynching Chez today.

On December 29 2016 06:26 Tictock wrote:


Why not what is different?

Also didn't he fool you and a fair few people until D2 or something?

On December 29 2016 06:25 Grackaroni wrote:

And yet you liked what I had to say before! Your story is unravelling at the seams, my dear Fabian. Motives grow ever clearer!

Most of my posts are usually useless. I post what I feel like. That's how I play.

On December 29 2016 06:28 Superbia wrote:


Read this fucking post

On December 29 2016 06:32 Grackaroni wrote:

Well if you wrote a series of shit posts with fake reads then your post style seems more inexcusable than my own.

Quite hypocritical if you ask me.

On December 29 2016 06:33 disformation wrote:

okay 1a is pretty strange
dont really see problems with 1b and 1c

2 - well i dont remember interacting with df, but sometimes ppl are just out of thread. dont think i was in with him at the same time yet.

3 - is true. he should have specified what exactly he didnt like with your filter.

On December 29 2016 06:39 Superbia wrote:


Dude 1a is not scummy on its own. It's the non progression and unwillingness to proactively interact that makes it scummy

On December 29 2016 06:41 Tictock wrote:


No.

I want your reasoning, not to make my own meta read on LS.

On December 29 2016 06:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Actually
I'm not lynching disformation either. He has been here commenting stuff aswell.

Can we all agree on one target?

On December 29 2016 07:08 Tictock wrote:
I'd rather flip the BtDt coin than the Slam coin now tbh.

On December 29 2016 07:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Also btdt is a terrible lynch because we wont get any information regarding anything tbh.

On December 29 2016 07:31 Tictock wrote:

So then who DO you want to lynch?

You just said you are not feeling Grack anymore.

On December 29 2016 07:34 Tictock wrote:
Oh wow Ninja vote from Traveler.

Humm...

On December 29 2016 07:40 Tictock wrote:


Assuming for a moment that you are Town, you openly admit all of your posts until today are totally throwaway.

So isn't it pretty hypocritical to say Grack wasn't pushing the game forward early on?

Btw I think it's arguable that Grack did make some game pushing posts early on, they are just lost in some of the more joking posts.

On December 29 2016 07:46 disformation wrote:
I think there was this thing where i was trying to say that i think that LS case on you is more likely to come from town ls and you though I was agreeing with his case.

On December 29 2016 07:46 darthfoley wrote:
my early hypothesis is that the mafia are good players, or 1-2 good players with 1 wtf player (slam, chez, btdt) cuz i've never seen such a hectic and all over the place d1.

On December 29 2016 07:47 LightningStrike wrote:

I like the credit and all but it was Koshi's case with a add on from me.

On December 29 2016 07:52 ExO_ wrote:
K I'm home for the last hour. BTDT is completely afk right, can somebody explain why we're lynching him? I'd rather lynch slam/chez and see if btdt can get replaced

On December 29 2016 07:51 darthfoley wrote:


I feel like it would be much EASIER to change your scum play after just being caught as mafia; you're hyper aware of your tells, etc. I don't know why this is your defense of him.

I know it's WIFOMy and kinda damned if you do/don't, but why would LS ever attempt another baby rage after getting shot down so easily like yesterday. Of course his scum play would look different right after, ESPECIALLY on D1 when it's easy to blend into 13 people.

On December 29 2016 08:08 darthfoley wrote:



Yet you haven't tunneled anyone.

You also added onto Koshi's case on Grack with a bad point onto a case that was already bad. Outside of that, I don't really know what you've done to push anyone or to push the game forward.

On December 29 2016 08:12 Grackaroni wrote:

I do.

On December 29 2016 08:14 disformation wrote:

should have specified: I dont mind the first sentence. I really do not like the second.

On December 29 2016 08:15 darthfoley wrote:


Pray tell me where I am mistaken, for I just finished reading through is filter, and it's a whole lot of meh

On December 29 2016 08:17 darthfoley wrote:



Yea okay you've now used three posts to tell us you don't like it. Why is it not true? Who/what has he pushed that have been original points?

On December 27 2016 12:11 LightningStrike wrote:
I going to put a vote on Koshi for right now because his opening was pure shit and not like any town opening I remember him doing.
##Vote: Koshi

On December 27 2016 12:15 LightningStrike wrote:
I also really liking ExO already too he trying to push a town agenda and get this game rolling off the bat.

On December 27 2016 14:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Tbh Grack's defense of Koshi is a little bit strange can't remember if he did the same thing regarding me in my very first game together. Anyways I think we should leave Slam alone and see what he does because one of the ways Geript had a good read on to Slam is if Slam does his own thing which would mean he would be town so I rather see what he does later.

On December 28 2016 06:27 LightningStrike wrote:

Pretty terrible policy vote tbh. I think he's more likely town than scum at this point and we shouldn't lynch him.

On December 28 2016 10:35 LightningStrike wrote:
Nothing really was going on and post game of the other game just started.
@Darth thoughts on Koshi?

On December 28 2016 11:04 LightningStrike wrote:
I too think Grack is potential mafia too due to how when I was hard pushing you Koshi earlier he kept trying to steer it away to Slam who we both know is harder to read based on pure pushing.

On December 29 2016 07:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Also btdt is a terrible lynch because we wont get any information regarding anything tbh.

On December 29 2016 08:24 Grackaroni wrote:

Really?

The original Koshi push was a follow up of ExO's push.

There's a bunch of duplicate town reads on ExO

And then 2 posts on my Koshi post that DF (and I) already addressed.

Now here's an experiment for you. Go through my filter just starting around page 5 or 6 and make a comparison.

On December 28 2016 23:38 Koshi wrote:
So I didn't see there was a voting thread. I even went looking for it yesterday. But I voted today.
Nothing much changed. TT entered the thread and did absolutely nothing but buddy me up and waffle a bit. The most interesting thing was his role suggestion, read it three times, I don't understand it, I doubt he does. lol.

Grack dismissing my case against him like a mafia would. Taking my points super literal and then weazle himself out of them using silly argumentation. Still mafia.

Really liked the reaction from GB on disformation his post. Super townie.
@GB: Do not get tunneled on ExO based on his opening and a reasoning you haven't even explained to the thread fully. He is not yet lock town, but for now he is not a correct lynch, his posting pushed the game forward by a lot, people who try to push the game forwardlook bad by default because they have to create something from nothing, most of the time you do that by posting reply bait comments, I really doubt mafia!ExO opened like he did here. You better go look for the prominent posters that are blending in doing completely nothing as town, or the afkers that are hiding their alignment. Kill those first.


Grack
Slam
Chez
TiTr
Disfo
TT
Superbia
darth
LS
GB
ExO


Slam and Chez are high on the lynchlist because both refuse to work with town. Easy lynches. Easy vig shots. Get rid of them.

Grack is mafia.

TiTr could already have pushed mafia agenda, has complained about things he shouldn't complain about, hasn't pushed the game further, has only 1 strong read which he adopted from thread sentiment.
@TiTr, try to do things other than pretending to be one of those complaining muppets from the muppet show. You do not participate at the game unless forced.

On December 29 2016 08:46 darthfoley wrote:
Requesting the Hosts give a big old punishment bill to any non voters

On December 29 2016 08:47 ExO_ wrote:
Disinfo why are you waiting to the last second to vote anything?

On December 29 2016 08:49 Chezinu wrote:

rumors state that slam is shapelog

On December 29 2016 09:19 darthfoley wrote:


Also, yup, yupadoo!

On December 29 2016 09:16 beentheredonethat wrote:
disformation would you mind to replace out or get modkilled so we don't have to deal with useless shit like your last 40 minutes?

On December 29 2016 09:35 disformation wrote:
Thats how I play this game.

On December 29 2016 09:32 disformation wrote:

Unfortunately Shape will not replace me out of the game for that reason.

On December 29 2016 11:15 Tictock wrote:
I'm looking at Gracks filter and he is super all over the place. It's really weird how he calls Koshi an easy lynch and then goes "yea I'll consolidate" after casing Koshi and being one of the main driving factors at the start of the wagon.



This seems overly gloaty if Grack is scum though.

I dunno I should reread Grack in more detail. I think I would still easily lynch Dis/BtDt at this point before Grack. Honestly I kinda like having Grack in the game for how active he has been.

On December 29 2016 20:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
Also, Alakaslam disappeared, even got warned. The whole "lynch the inactive" story line that some people seem to rely on died with the Koshi flip, why is that? Note how there was no counter wagon. This thread is currently being driven by mafia. ExO is driving this thread, Tictock, even darthfoley is. So there's most likely one mafia in them. Chez doing the drive-by posting but Chezinu is pretty much unreadable to me tbh.

disformation then again claims to have a bad scum game (correct me if I'm wrong) and what he's doing right now is either a bad town game or a bad scum game so I'm perfectly fine in lynching him. Grackaroni's EoD was a joke.

On December 29 2016 08:35 Chezinu wrote:


I always say it is easier to lynch a stranger.. I already gave a nickname to Gracky though.. (Grack-Grack).. The Kosh-Kosh Hoshi is quite scary as mafia but useful as town..

I was thinking about ExO wondering if he was defending a teammate. I looked at votes it appears he is just vote hoping everywhere...

I like my time traveling theme names.. (time traveler, beentheredonethat, and tick tock.. etc)

On December 29 2016 08:43 Chezinu wrote:

Don't you know I invented the vote hopping mechanism!

On December 29 2016 08:48 Chezinu wrote:
Where are the mafia counter wagons?!?!?!

On December 29 2016 08:50 Chezinu wrote:
KOSHI SAVE THYSELF!!!

On December 29 2016 08:54 Chezinu wrote:
EXO defending Grack?!>! panics!

On December 29 2016 08:54 Chezinu wrote:
I R SCARES!!

On December 29 2016 23:11 beentheredonethat wrote:

That's not a bad reason and you should know it Oo

On December 29 2016 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm souring on LS.

On December 29 2016 07:38 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't like that first he was calling me scum for being Koshi's scum partner and now he's saying that I'm scum because my Koshi fight seems like it's between town and scum. Those are opposite reasons but I always seem to end up the lynch over Koshi.

On December 29 2016 07:43 Grackaroni wrote:

What bothers me more is that while I think that's an acceptable post to see from LS, I can't see how Koshi would be able to call that post excellent.

On December 29 2016 07:47 Grackaroni wrote:

This again is wtf level.

He made three reads at the start of the game. ExO seems townie. Koshi is mafia. Grack is mafia for deflecting off of Koshi.
Every post he has made since then has just been reiterating the exact same reads while changing around the reasoning behind them.

I don't think he can come up with his own reads. At this point I think we just kill LS.

On December 29 2016 08:00 Grackaroni wrote:
Can we lynch LS? I think he's more likely to be scum than Koshi. Koshi was just bothering me more.



##Vote: LS

On December 29 2016 08:29 Grackaroni wrote:

I honestly think LS is the better lynch. But obviously I'm willing to switch to Koshi.

On December 29 2016 08:32 Grackaroni wrote:

That's a fair point. But I've definitely had games where I've gotten strong town feelings from LS before and this just isn't one of those for me.

On December 29 2016 08:50 Grackaroni wrote:
Killing Koshi was my primary goal for today but I don't feel all that great about the way it has happened lol.

On December 29 2016 08:57 Grackaroni wrote:

I'm feeling nervous about how easily this lynch is happening when so many people were hard townreading Koshi when I started posting today.

On December 29 2016 08:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Anyway I'll consolidate.

On December 29 2016 09:20 Grackaroni wrote:

Worth for this post.

On December 29 2016 23:12 beentheredonethat wrote:


Okay. Get out of the thread. Return later when you calmed down. Because if you don't, you're helping scum. Stop one-lining. Instead, take a step back.

Also, I apologize for upsetting you. It was not my intention to so and I was (and partially am) pissed about the way you approached the game because if you're town, it's helping scum and if you're scum, you're frustrating af to play against.

On December 30 2016 01:03 Tictock wrote:


This is not all that different than what my take-away from rereading Gracks EoD was.

I feel like a Scum!Grack would be all too happy to go back to Koshi given the investment he made in pushing him earlier in the day. Having cold feet about Koshi when he did seems more like a paranoid townie to me than mafia making their own position look shit.

@ BtDt
I think it is shit that you got super uppity and aggressive about us pushing you for clearly making no attempt to play the game. Then after the flip you've been in everyone's face placing blame.

Have you even fully read the game at this point?

Like there is just this huge disconnect between your opening post and everything after that, and it all just SCREAMS playing for survival to me.

On December 29 2016 06:39 Time Traveler wrote:
I filtered LS and I liked it at the beggining. He seemed to be consistent with his reads and such, but I do not like how he, after scumreading Koshi, decides to vote Grack after he Koshi makes a post about why people should lynch Grack. Then he says that it is because Grack is more likely to be Mafia than Koshi, and this is because he defended Koshi. Huuuh. Sounds strange that the person who defends his scum read gets scum read as well.

On December 29 2016 07:40 Time Traveler wrote:


Well, then I can say that I voted BtDt because #yolo.

On December 29 2016 08:00 Time Traveler wrote:


If that's right, I wouldn't mind unvoting him.

On December 29 2016 08:26 Time Traveler wrote:
Yeah, I'm unvoting BtDt. I kinda random voted him because it was mandatory and I didn't have anyone clear in mind. And I still do not who to vote. Hum.

On December 29 2016 08:44 Time Traveler wrote:
Also, I voted Superbia because I don't expect him to be voted by anyone else. So you can consider that a null vote.

On December 29 2016 08:47 Time Traveler wrote:


Maybe you want to not use something in order to not cause harm and you don't know how to use it correctly, than incorrectly use it.

I hope that made sense.

And no one is voting him, so I guess he won't be killed.

On December 29 2016 07:30 LightningStrike wrote:
I home for just for a few minutes will answer some questions then I will have to answer on mobile:

Becuase something in the tone between them plus how they interacted with each other don't seem like TvT but more like TvS.

No we lynching Grack Time Traveler and dis look better than him in my opinion.

This post from btdt is pretty bad and idk why he voting Tictock atm.

On December 29 2016 08:13 LightningStrike wrote:

Easy town credit especially that early.

On December 30 2016 02:37 darthfoley wrote:


Well you were hard defending him against my wagon near EoD, so what is your overall conclusion read of him right now?

On December 30 2016 02:33 darthfoley wrote:
[...]


So in that post you say you're okay with Koshi being the lynch after you sheep him the whole day? You're okay with him being the lynch over someone you thought was pretty scummy?

Also you said that you would have a bunch of info regardless of Koshi's flip. Let's hear it

On December 29 2016 08:21 beentheredonethat wrote:
Oh c'mon. Yes, I confirmed 2 days ago. Then, I had christmas dinner with gf's family, spent a nice time with her, she went home to my place with me and we continued having a nice time. Nail me on that if you feel like it and don't believe that I genuinely forgot about this game, okay. But lynching into me is the easiest thing to do for scum at this point.

Check my last town game and check my activity level there. I can and will contribute for town in the exact same way if you give me the chance to do so.

There's no way I will catch up in the like what 30 minutes or so we have until deadline. Tictock, the whole reason behind you voting me is that my vote was randomly cast on you.I checked if there was a main wagon, there wasn't, so I voted randomly.

More important even: as there seemingly aren't any clear wagons and town feels confident in lynching into afk/lurky players, I fear that mafia is currently in the driving seat of this game. Which leads my gut to Koshi who went under the radar pretty much ALWAYS when town was on the wrong track. I correctly read him as scum once already so I guess it's worth something. Koshi has 1 filter, compared to his last town game of D1 that's horrendous. Also note Time Traveler's vote on me and keep a close look on ANYONE that voted me early as I am right now a very low hanging fruit for mafia and lazy town alike.

On December 29 2016 08:24 beentheredonethat wrote:
I'm right now randomly diving filters. Disformation's filter looks genuinely town but he's being wishy washy. On the other hand, that's disformation pretty much for me so that's not necessarily alignment indicative.

Thing about disfo is that from what I can see, he only comments on stuff. "I like that", "I don't like that" and so on and he's not taking any actions on his own, being lazy. Seems to be willing to go after Grackaroni but rather discusses about me? Hmm

On December 29 2016 08:28 beentheredonethat wrote:

You voted me without explanation. "Random" as you say. That means you didn't have a real clue who to vote on. Then, you unvote as soon as I drop one post and say "uhhh I still dunno".

That's not townie

On December 29 2016 08:29 beentheredonethat wrote:
Time Traveler having two pages of filter, voting me (low hanging af) then unvoting again feels scummy as fuck #gutFeelings

On December 29 2016 08:30 beentheredonethat wrote:
oh he's new (to the site?) tho from what his filter says

On December 29 2016 08:30 beentheredonethat wrote:

But you said you do not know who to lynch. What are the better options then if it's not me?

On December 29 2016 08:38 beentheredonethat wrote:

That's actually a good idea and I like that. I wondered why you pushed me especially since it felt like you're doing it only because I voted you.

I would lynch Traveler over disfo but I'm with ExO in terms of "he's new". Also I haven't read the game so I probably should just sheep someone and stfu :/ but not that's boring.

On December 29 2016 08:38 beentheredonethat wrote:
1-page-Koshi feels bad and I think he's a very good lynch.

On December 29 2016 08:45 beentheredonethat wrote:

Yes. I'm confident he'll flip scum.

On December 29 2016 08:48 beentheredonethat wrote:

No.

1. I don't want to lynch you as I have voted Koshi over you
2. I think you're new and that is why you're not really pushing anyone
3. I am really interested in your scum reads as one one hand, you said you don't know who to lynch, on the other hand you said something like "there are way better lynches than ExO_"

On December 29 2016 08:54 beentheredonethat wrote:
Don't lynch LS over Koshi, really.
That's nuts.

Also whatever disfo's doing there it's plain bullshit

##vote Koshi

On December 29 2016 08:58 beentheredonethat wrote:




So Grackaroni is lying about his motivations.

On December 30 2016 03:41 GlowingBear wrote:
I won't consider killing disformation anymore due to sole effort he is putting in the game.

I haven't read EOD yet, I'd love to understand why people switched to Koshi

On December 29 2016 06:12 Superbia wrote:
Specifically:

1a. Reads me mafia based on OP+activity (afaicr)
1b. Unwilling to push anything on me when we're both around.
1c. This is strengthened by his immediate response when I get smitten.

2 Lumps me together with disfo as becomin"sick on lynch day". I became OG sick near game start. This showcases that he is not familiar with my (admittedly) limited gameplay. Also I don't think his read progression on disfo has progressed but I may be wrong. Did he interact with disfo in between his list post and voting me?

3. My actual activity is not taken into account at all in the vote or read even though I have done some AI things

On December 29 2016 06:17 Superbia wrote:
Read my excellent post while I do a bit more reading

On December 29 2016 06:24 Superbia wrote:
Btdt has literally posted nothing yet lolol

On December 29 2016 06:27 Superbia wrote:
Darths entire lynchlist is pretty much policy based

On December 29 2016 06:28 Superbia wrote:


Read this fucking post

On December 29 2016 06:32 Superbia wrote:
I'm going to sleep in like 5m.

I think dfis mafia. I think at least one of the policy lynches is mafia: slam/btdt/tt2/chez (?). Not sure about a 3rd. I think that if df is mafia grack could very well be a partner, but I dont have an individual read on grack

On December 29 2016 06:35 Superbia wrote:


I had a TT scumread? If so it was either a mistake or it vaporized. I think Tt is townlean for tone mostly

On December 29 2016 06:43 Superbia wrote:
Ok my patience is wearing thin and I really want to sleep. Sheep my case on darth or at least don't lynch a policy lynch. Pls make it 2 wagons as well

On December 29 2016 06:45 Superbia wrote:
Disfo is prob also not a good lynch indeed. Idk if i put that out there yet

On December 30 2016 04:40 Tictock wrote:


Actually rereading some of these posts I'm not sure how BtDt managed to put some of this stuff together in the short time he was in the game. Like I was around at the same time trying to look at stuff and was much less sure of any of my scum reads at the time.

BtDt apparently had no problem skimming a few filters and coming to some hard conclusions in a very short span of time.

I think I would shoot BtDt over anyone if I could tonight. Maybe Slam as he still isn't quite playing the game ATM. I guess there isn't a whole lot different between Slam and Chez, but Chez at least seems to have gotten invested in his role so we might be able to read him based on his actions.

On December 30 2016 04:44 Tictock wrote:


Given what I know about Chez it's a toss up between Recruiter/Survivor/Traitor.

Maybe one of his seeds will grow and blossom into the truth.

On December 29 2016 01:02 ExO_ wrote:
I feel like there are a lot of people to seriously consider, but we have 8 hours left and the votes are all over the place. I think I'd prefer chez/slam if we're just gonna lynch a trolly person. I could see grack being scum, but I could also see Koshi very easily being scum here.

His post looks good, but look at how he's playing this game. He's not posting with fire or over the top bravado. He's saying good shit, but he's not playing with that huge umpf that he plays with as town. He's antagonizing nobody. This still doesn't look like town Koshi to me, it reminds me so much of dota 2 mafia.

Still I don't wanna get tunneled all in on this theory 100% yet. I think we should come together as town and get rid of either slam or chezinu for now.

##Unvote
##Vote: Alakaslam

On December 29 2016 03:19 ExO_ wrote:


What a wonderful non-post. I'd be okay with Koshi lynch after this.

so for me:

Slam/Chez/Koshi are who I think we should lynch

On December 29 2016 03:23 ExO_ wrote:


Because I'm not convinced enough that he's scum yet. The biggest thing I found scummy about him was his buddying with TT, and his post count that doesn't really scum hunt or drive town forward in any way. But I don't think I'm okay lynching him today when he's at least talking a decent amount.

The fact that Koshi wants to lynch him also makes me think me want to hold off on a grack lynch.

On December 29 2016 04:06 ExO_ wrote:
Time trav, you get a pass from me today, I know what its like to be new and exposed to day 1 and not really able to take it all in. That said it ONLY applies for day 1. You're going to have to step it up after today

On December 29 2016 07:55 ExO_ wrote:


k Good enough for me

On December 29 2016 08:22 ExO_ wrote:
I don't think I'm okay with an L.S. lynch. I have my doubts about him.

I think I like Koshi. Again everything I said about Koshi still stands. Town Koshi is in your face and loud and proud, and here he's kinda just "meh'. His post count is really low too.

I'm not 100% sure, but I think I'd prefer Koshi to btdt at this point. I feel like its riskier to go with Koshi over chez/slam/btdt/insert other inac here but he just feels like scummy to me.

On December 29 2016 08:34 ExO_ wrote:
Grack should 100% not be the lynch right now. He has 8 pages of filter. Even if a good portion of it is garbage, I cannot say anything has sold me he's so scummy that he should be lynched day 1.

Koshi has 1 page of filter, is completely out of the thread, and had a weak case on grack. Then peaced out. That's it. I think he's our best bet here

On December 29 2016 08:38 ExO_ wrote:


Koshi is a well-known player on TL mafia. He can be very antagonistic but he can also be right. My thinking is this:

Koshi has 1 page of filter. That's incredibly low activity, esp for Koshi. Koshi makes a bad case on grack and doesn't really try past that. His posts aren't getting in anybody's face (which is my impression of his town meta) but instead he's acting disinterested and not passionate (what I think his scum meta is like based on his scum play in dota 2 mafia).

Therefore I think he's our best bet right now. I'm not as sold on LS at the moment

On December 29 2016 08:52 ExO_ wrote:
Grack you said your goal was to get Koshi lynched, but you've been parked on LS this entire time. Why was your "goal" to get Koshi lynched and why are you not voting for him now?

On December 29 2016 08:59 ExO_ wrote:
Grack you are suspicious as fuck right now

On December 30 2016 04:58 Grackaroni wrote:

Yeah but he made his sheep post after I had made my post on LS.

On December 30 2016 05:16 Chezinu wrote:

Ok! I have chosen you since you couldn't enjoy the feast. What type of seed do you want?

On December 30 2016 05:29 Chezinu wrote:

Ok, I can give you a seed that you my sow at someone. What would you like this seed to do?

On December 29 2016 05:21 darthfoley wrote:
Somehow everyone has forgotten that Superbia's filter is pretty ass. It's actually very ass.

He hones in on one sentence of mine and that Koshi posted a list post. That's literally all the analysis he's done. The rest is mechanics and banter fluff. This was before he supposedly got sick. (Mafia can get sick too!)

I don't know why anyone is town reading him.

##Vote: Superbia

On December 29 2016 07:26 darthfoley wrote:


1a. Yea,basically. Plus you've literally done nothing but push shit on me. The only thing that makes me a little less sure is that you're trying to get people to lynch me, when i've been almost universally townread so far. That's definitely not the easy way out, so perhaps i'm wrong on you.
1b. Unwilling to push anything on you when we're both around? Wtf is this point? I interacted with you when you pushed me, when you said something about Koshi that I found a scummy point. I've interacted with you more than most people in this thread. Just ctrl + F superbia in my filter.
1c. Not my fault you got yourself killed for surface level ez town points.

2. I don't know what this has to do with me being mafia? I'm on the fence on disformation and i'm rereading his filter currently.

3. What AI things have you done? Getting yourself briefly out of a bastard game by doing some bet with the hosts? Cool, man.

Your "actual activity" is definitely taken into account in all of these posts.



What am I missing from your filter?

On December 29 2016 07:31 darthfoley wrote:
Now that i've dispatched of Superbia's bad case against me,

I agree with Ticktock that BTDT's post is utter garbage; I'd be willing to consolidate on someone who opted out of D1 after confirming two days ago

On December 29 2016 07:33 darthfoley wrote:
I actually like Grack more than I like Koshi right now

On December 29 2016 07:40 darthfoley wrote:
I still find LS's Koshi v Grack analysis very very troubling and i'm nervous about it



this post man??? Grack did a better job of pointing out the inconsistencies it assumes, but c'mon like what

On December 29 2016 07:47 darthfoley wrote:


which annoys me

On December 29 2016 07:51 darthfoley wrote:


I feel like it would be much EASIER to change your scum play after just being caught as mafia; you're hyper aware of your tells, etc. I don't know why this is your defense of him.

I know it's WIFOMy and kinda damned if you do/don't, but why would LS ever attempt another baby rage after getting shot down so easily like yesterday. Of course his scum play would look different right after, ESPECIALLY on D1 when it's easy to blend into 13 people.

On December 29 2016 07:59 darthfoley wrote:


I actually quite like your case on Koshi. I'm just conflicted on whether he should be a d1 lynch

On December 29 2016 08:10 darthfoley wrote:
Okay since everyone has just ignored Superbia's terrible case on me and is not willing to vote on him,

I'm basically between btdt/LS/other inactive people

##unvote

On December 29 2016 08:15 darthfoley wrote:


Pray tell me where I am mistaken, for I just finished reading through is filter, and it's a whole lot of meh

On December 29 2016 08:17 darthfoley wrote:



Yea okay you've now used three posts to tell us you don't like it. Why is it not true? Who/what has he pushed that have been original points?

On December 29 2016 08:21 darthfoley wrote:
I just reread all of LS filter for disformation's sake and my opinion has not changed.

You like my point about LS and Koshi's bad case on Grack, but dislike my second line? What else has LS else this game dude?

On December 29 2016 08:23 darthfoley wrote:
How the fuck is him saying ExO is probably town an original point? ExO has been townread by everyone except GB for ages. Even at the time, that was a safe read.

Most of what you just quoted is confined to two players, and a widely read town player. Color me not impressed

On December 29 2016 08:36 darthfoley wrote:
Fuck it I will vote Koshi if LS is not going to happen. The dude has one page filter and his only case is jabroni baloney on Grack

On December 29 2016 08:39 darthfoley wrote:
##Vote: Koshi

One page filter, won't get NK'd if he is town because of the suspicion he draws. Also no blues so don't have to worry about that. Only case is on Grack. Not happy with D1 but this is the way the cookie crumbles.

On December 29 2016 08:44 darthfoley wrote:


It was mainly because I feel like his filter has been very carefully limited to talking about you (who most people view as town), and Koshi v. Grack. I also think Grack is way more townie at this point, so not sure why LS views the two completely opposite to me.

He's had a few town things to point to: the point of voting btdt, for example

On December 29 2016 08:54 darthfoley wrote:
I'm staying on Koshi unless it becomes an LS wagon.

On December 30 2016 07:07 darthfoley wrote:


1. That's fair. I think TimeTraveler has a very decent chance of just being overwhelmed scum ATM.

2. I mean convenient read as something that's very safe. You are saying that you think mafia is on the middle or end of the wagon... well that includes like 5/7 people so statistically that's probably true and therefore incredibly safe to "deduce"

3. Forgive me for not really understanding what you mean with your last sentence?